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Published Date: 09 April 2009
BRITAIN'S biggest nationalised banks might be broken up under a Conservative government, to limit fallout from future institutional failures, George Osborne, the shadow chancellor has said.
Bigger bankers took proportionately greater gambles and could need ever larger bail-outs, which meant size in itself was a risk, he claimed.

Institutions such as Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group might be dismantled under a Tory go
vernment when it came to selling off the state's shareholding. In a speech on the Tory economic strategy beyond the credit crunch, Mr Osborne also hinted at a division between retail and investment banking within the same financial group.

"It is clear that size itself is a risk factor," he told a London audience. "Not only do large financial institutions do more damage when they get into trouble, but their very size and 'too-big-to-fail' status may encourage them to … take risks that smaller banks dare not take."

In a direct challenge to the monolithic Lloyds Banking Group, Mr Osborne said there needed to be enhanced competition between banks "to protect consumers".

He continued: "By dint of its substantial shareholdings, the government has a powerful influence over the future structure of the UK banking industry, whether it likes it or not. When the time comes to sell off those shareholdings, we need to think very carefully before simply selling them to the highest bidder.

"We should look at whether Britain in fact needs smaller banks. For it would be a bitter irony if we came out of this crisis with a banking system that was even more concentrated and even riskier than the one we had before it."

Mr Osborne also suggested that a Tory government might include housing costs when measuring inflation. Prime Minister Gordon Brown's decision to change the measure of inflation from the Retail Price Index – which includes housing costs – to the Consumers Price Index, which does not, kept the official inflation rate at artificially low levels, holding back interest rates and encouraging more borrowing.

"A change of government would provide a sensible opportunity to review, with the Governor of the Bank of England, what changes would be appropriate so that housing costs are properly reflected," Mr Osborne said.

He reasserted Tory support for market economies, saying it had become too fashionable to bash capitalism in the wake of the financial crisis. Market reforms in countries such as China and India had done more to help raise living standards than any government policy, he said.

"Abandoning that progress or turning our backs on open markets would be a tragedy; it would return hundreds of millions to dollar-a-day subsistence poverty."

Stephen Timms, the Treasury minister, said the Conservatives remained "isolated and on the wrong side of the argument" of how to tackle the credit crunch.

"Alongside countries across the world, we are partway through a huge boost for our economy, families and businesses – a boost opposed by the Tories, who still think we should do nothing to help people through these tough times. Labour will not repeat the Tories do-nothing mistakes of the past."



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Los Angeles,

09/04/2009 00:14:18
"Institutions such as Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group might be dismantled under a Tory government when it came to selling off the state's shareholding."

Sounds a sensible idea. Certainly worth invstigating the idea.
2

Bemused and above it all,

09/04/2009 01:16:36
Just apoint but.....
In the middle of a divorce, living out a bag for 11 months, having the privilege of a seperation agreement which means I still pay everything for the martial home which is finally going on the market, being told by housing to make my son homeless & they will house me, then being in a situation where I cant do my second job due to a fracture, but continue my main job, proving to the bank that I am £600 down so far as a result & asking for a £100 increase in my overdraft, I was told to F off or take a consolidation loan.
I cant take the loan due to the terms of the seperation agreement but why when i am 3 months from salvation, leave me with £8 to live off, charge me £100 for the privilege & then accept a bail out of several million form my tax money????
smaller banks, would know customers, be willing to say ok its an exceptional circumstance your doing what you can, the big systems just want their bonuses!
Why even pay them? for example, Fred Goodwin, £750k pension for bankrupting the country with a £8m pay off? I only needed £100! Thank god for good friends who actually care!
3

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 09/04/2009 01:24:22
What next? Breaking up the Union would or this be classed as a bankruptsy sale?

Talk of more competition is utter piffle. You don't see it it energy supplies or very much in finance. If I was a scottish farmer I'd want to deal with a bank that understood scottish farming. Which is a service they still provide. The name or logo on the bank is not important. Unfortunately it's rarely evident in other commercial fields.

eg if the Bank of China-Scotia were offering a service to scottish-based marine engineering and understood what I was talking about I'd consider banking with them.

I liked the Scottish Government and Regional Authorities to consider taking shares in Scottish companies. But not in bliddy banks!
4

SkeptikScot,

09/04/2009 01:33:39
Excellent, some sanity. Look what happened to Iceland "Banks too big to fail and too big too fail".

How about:

LLOYDS BANKING GROUP: LLoyds to spin out BoS in Scotland (yee hee!) and perhaps Halifax as a building society (would be popular in England, no doubt). Lloyds itself seemed to be sound pre-merger.

RBOS: I suppose RBOS could split from NatWest. The overseas assets could mostly be sold and probably will need to be anyway, to reduce the debt. Today I read: "Standard Chartered are interested in RBS Asian assets" (Herald I think).

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SkeptikScot,

09/04/2009 01:35:40
#5

oops.

I meant: "Look what happened to Iceland, banks too big to fail and too big too bail".
6

blackops,

09/04/2009 05:30:07
#1 - full agree, definately worth looking at. And this should create some better competition.

"Mr Osborne also suggested that a Tory government might include housing costs when measuring inflation. Prime Minister Gordon Brown's decision to change the measure of inflation from the Retail Price Index – which includes housing costs – to the Consumers Price Index, which does not, kept the official inflation rate at artificially low levels, holding back interest rates and encouraging more borrowing." Bizaree, why did they cut it out in the first place, and, as the BofE was fully aware of this, did they take this into their interest rate calculations?
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Angleland Isover,

09/04/2009 06:37:33
Even the Tory's seem to be talking more sense than pi$$ in the wind broon.
8

Angleland Isover,

09/04/2009 06:40:35
Things must be bad when people prefer the devil they don't know.
9

lulach mac gille coemgain,

09/04/2009 09:30:35
As failed businesses - they should have suffered the fate of all other failed businesses - been allowed to collapse - that new banks and financial businesses may have grown from the ashes!!!
10

Ewan Randall,

09/04/2009 09:47:46
(#1) – (Los Angeles) – Why do you think it is a sensible idea?
11

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09/04/2009 10:34:20
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Marian,

09/04/2009 10:36:57
At last some sense in all of the madness of "big is beautiful". I hope the Tories don't stop with the banks. There should be no organisation allowed to become so large that it threatens the economic stability of a country if it runs into trouble. Equally there should be no organisation allowed to become so large e.g. power companies, supermarket chains, banks, etc. that they stifle competition and threaten the existence of their suppliers.
13

StephenC,

Gorebridge 09/04/2009 10:49:45
Smaller banks - good idea.

A way of protecting them from large overseas predators is also needed as this is what part fuelled RBS takeover of NatWest and the others.
14

Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 09/04/2009 11:43:22
An excellent idea. I remember 25 years ago when you actually had a Branch Bank Manager who you could talk to, not some snotty nosed wean in a call centre.
15

Tartan Viking,

09/04/2009 12:33:28
#2. Seems like you are a victim of that ever-so-fair (not) Family Law.
16

Black Sabbath,

09/04/2009 13:11:32
#15 it is only the government that can stifle competition.

The rest is decided by the consumer.
17

Miss H,

09/04/2009 15:13:09
22 What has its ownership got to do with the case for "independence"?

Absolutely nothing but it doesn't stop swivel eyes unionist loonies saying ah hah an independent Scotland could never have bailed out the banks etc etc.

A somewhat strange argument since many of the same people assured us repeatedly that the first thing that would happen with independence is that the banks and financial institutions would immediately leave.

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09/04/2009 15:28:24
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09/04/2009 16:23:46
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 09/04/2009 16:29:19
10 Rules

"Likewise retail and investment banking must be kept separate so that if one fails the other is unaffected."

Was not this the purpose of the Glass-Steagall Acts?

Note that the repeal of Glass-Steagall was deeply influenced by 'world power UK'. NOT!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act
21

Eve,

Scotland 09/04/2009 17:12:48
What do they mean by "broken up"?
Would that mean we would get the Bank of Scotland back?


22

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 09/04/2009 18:29:03
No great surprise to see that the Nats are backing another Tory idea.
23

Tris,

09/04/2009 19:16:18
#30. Surely there's no harm in backing good ideas, no matter from where they come. The "Nats" have backed some Labour ideas too when they are sensible, for example, free entry for kids to football matches...

Until recently the Labour Council in Dundee backed almost anything the Conservatives said, in order to keep them onside....

It works all ways matey.
24

WL,

livingston 09/04/2009 20:36:22
Labour has been responsible for the take over of the Scottish bank HBOS by the English bank Lloyds TSB. So the Tories now want to reverse that. That is pure politics, not common sense.
25

Faux Cul,

09/04/2009 20:42:58
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Ewan Randall,
09/04/2009 09:47:46

Do you think it would not be?
26

Ewan Randall,

09/04/2009 20:47:46
Is it not the case that the Tories want these controlling shares sold to the highest bidders as well as splitting the banks?

Who are likely to be these highest bidders?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/04/2009 20:52:57
And guess who will be left out of the equation is they are broken up and sold off?
28

Ewan Randall,

09/04/2009 21:10:02
(#34) – (Faux Cul) – Do you not get the feeling you could be looking at the banking version of a chop shop with these smaller banks ripe to be taken over for there profitable sections?
29

Los Angeles,

09/04/2009 23:57:24
(Faux Cul) – Do you not get the feeling you could be looking at the banking version of a chop suey with these smaller banks ripe to be taken over for there profitable sections? (Randall's Scandals)

Are you making a reference to Salmond's visit to China?

 

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