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Published Date: 21 August 2009
US PRESIDENT Barack Obama last night demanded that Libya put the Lockerbie bomber under house arrest as anger at his release grew in the United States.
In a radio interview, the president said the US administration had been in contact with the Scottish Government to register its objection to the move, which Mr Obama called "a mistake".

His comments came as concern grows about the effect the d
ecision to free the one man convicted of murdering 270 people on 21 December, 1988, will have on Scotland's relations with the US. CBI Scotland has raised fears about an impact on trade and tourism and US politicians have joined American relatives in condemning justice secretary Kenny MacAskill who made the decision to free Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi.

Stephanie Bernstein, the widow of Michael Bernstein, a prosecutor who tracked down Nazi war criminals, said: "He is flying back to Tripoli on Gaddafi's private plane. He is going to be greeted like a hero by Gaddafi.

"MacAskill talks about showing compassion and mercy. This is weakness. This is how it will be seen by Gaddafi. This is how it will be played within Libya and this is how it will be seen by every single person that wants to do harm to people all over the world."

Susan Cohen, whose daughter Theodora was one of many students killed on the flight, said: "I think this has been despicable. He was convicted of mass murder, but you've let him out on the most sickening grounds possible. Shame on Scotland. We were told about this proud little country, but you are still in the grip of the British Empire."

She warned that the pictures of Megrahi leaving Scotland would be remembered forever.

The issue has once again highlighted the divide between the British and American relatives of those who died in the Lockerbie bombing.

British relatives, most of whom believe Megrahi is innocent, welcomed the decision to release him. Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was on Pan Am Flight 103, said: "I don't believe for a moment that this man was involved in the way that he was found to have been involved."

But Dr Swire reiterated his regret that Megrahi's appeal against his conviction had been dropped. "I feel despondent that the West and Scotland didn't have the guts to allow this man's second appeal to continue, because I am convinced had they done so, it would have overturned the verdict against him."

However, there was anger from Lockerbie over Megrahi's release. The self-styled "Baby of Lockerbie" described the decision as "quite disgusting".

Aimee Guthrie was born within an hour of the disaster to a couple who ran a hotel in the Borders town. Now approaching her 21st birthday, she said she would have preferred it if Megrahi had been left to die in jail.

There was also a fierce debate over how Mr MacAskill's decision had affected the reputation of Scotland's legal system. Despite his claims to support the original verdict on Megrahi's guilt, some claimed the justice secretary had caved in to those who said that Scottish judges, police and prosecutors had got it wrong. Leading QC Paul McBride said: "This has left the Scottish justice system a laughing stock in the world." He said it is the first time a convicted criminal had been allowed to return to his country of origin. "I have dealt with these cases for foreign nationals and they have always been sent to a home or hospice in Scotland," he said.

But Scottish Law Society president Ian Smart said the decision had upheld the reputation of the legal profession. He said the doubts were only over evidence, not process.

Retired judge Lord McCluskey said: "There is no reason for us not to show compassion – apart from revenge, which isn't the sweetest of virtues."

In Libya, Youssef Sawani, director of the Gaddafi International Charity, said: "It shows justice can be done and that the issue is not one of revenge."





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  • Last Updated: 20 August 2009 10:15 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lockerbie
 
1

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/08/2009 22:31:12
Who wrote the headline. The headline writer is a laughing stock.

Poodle pens have no place in a quality national newspaper stand.

Hmmmm? What about this rag then?
2

Justin Timbercake,

20/08/2009 22:40:14
Barack Obama is right as is David Cameron.

The parochial SNP has made Scotland a laughing stock.
3

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 21/08/2009 00:06:42
The more they go on, the more the world will see the US as bloody-minded revenge seekers, about as interested in justice as they are in a public enquiry
4

JaF,

21/08/2009 00:15:15
Mr Obama told the Libyan government that Megrahi should not receive a hero's welcome and should be placed under house arrest.
You are arrogant Mr Obama.
5

Colkitto,

River Clyde 21/08/2009 00:19:48
I had to scroll down to find out who made the "laughing stock" comment. No great shock to find that it was a Tory quote.
6

The Strategist,

21/08/2009 00:28:18
#5

If that's the case then the Tories will be upset to read that the Telegraph's Alan Cochrane actually supports Kenny MacAskill's decision.
7

Dougie Dougla,

Brisbane 21/08/2009 00:33:37
The Scotsman are at their happiest portraying any act of the government as the work of blind zombie pygmies.

8

Vivas,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:34:42
#6 Strategist, I noticed that too.

Fair play to Cochrane, I was expecting him to launch his size-12's into the SNP as usual. Instead theres some compassion in the mans soul after all.

On the other side of the coin, Glenn Campbell was virtually wetting himself with shameless excitement at the damage he believes it will do to the SNP. Some piece of work is wee Glenn.
9

Tom R,

21/08/2009 00:48:30
It is obvious from their lack of stated opposition that London Labour were in favour of this release-indeed it is clear that Blair would have liked to do it even without the compassonate grounds.

I hope the SNP wipe the floor-again-with that hypocrite Iain Gray.
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:49:15

Kenny MacAskill, instead of handling the whole situation in a frenzied panic, to-which most others in the World would do, handled the whole situation in an intelligence of the extreme, we should be very proud of him, and equally proud that here in Scotland our Justice system is of supremacy to the World.

11

CRAGman,

21/08/2009 00:51:08
This, I'm sure, was not an easy decision for Mr MacAskill to make - but it is the right one. Two wrongs don't make a right - and mercy is a quality beyond price and measure.

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:53:20

And as MacAskill, reiterated what I said 2days ago,...
.."It is a Greater Law outwith ours, that has determined Megrahi's fate, he is going home to die"

13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:56:22
#12.
reference to Kenny MacAskill's live press interview BBC 24Hour News 20/08/MMIX.

14

bluepict,

21/08/2009 01:11:57
Well Scots law has been border line for a long time and now, it has taken the final plunge into being a laughing stock, as more and more twisted sickos are been released and the victims and their families receive a slap in the face as a result.
15

Fletty,

21/08/2009 01:14:59
Tony Blair set up the deal in the desert.
Gordon Brown shook Gaddafi's hand at the G8.
Peter Mandelson courted Gaddafi's son in Corfu.

Looks like a Labour initiative to me.
16

Nellie Rogers,

21/08/2009 01:35:38
the USA is not the world.
Our justice system has not suffered scandals such as judges taking backhanders to fill up privatised "boot camp" style institutions for young offenders. Like it or oot it at least follows due process.
Sending a terminally man home to die is what this is all about.
Compassion.
17

2Right,

On Location 21/08/2009 01:42:16
#15 You forgot to mention MacAskill met Megrahi in Greenock Prison.

It could only have been MacAskill that told megrahi his application for Compassionate release would be viewed more sympathetically if he abandoned his appeal.

There would have been no problem with him being released into scotland and his appeal continuing.

I do not agree with MacAskill this was not possible, and the police that advised such should be heavily carpeted as this does nothing to enhance the public confidence in our Security Services in Scotland
18

2Right,

On Location 21/08/2009 01:44:02
Compassion should not be decided upon Blackmailing someone into dropping an appeal.
19

Fletty,

21/08/2009 02:06:04
#18

Your confused.

Dropping the appeal was not a condition of the Compassion Application.

Dropping the appeal was a condition of the prison transfer agreement drawn up by Tony Blair in the Deal in the Desert.



20

davehalifax,

Halifax,Nova Scotia 21/08/2009 02:06:39
I live in Halifax in the Canadian Province of Nova Scotia. The events of today have sickened us to the point where some are now considering changing the name of our province. Lord knows the Americans are far from perfect but they would have never sunk this low. Your judiciary has haggis for brains.
21

2Right,

On Location 21/08/2009 02:09:47
#19

No confusion at-all mate.

His QC Maggie Scott stood up in court the other day and claimed that by dropping his appeal it was hoped hios application for Compassionate Release would be looked upon more favourable.

Nothing to do with the PTA Deal in the Desert
22

2Right,

On Location 21/08/2009 02:16:14
Sorry Fletty here is the quote:

Ms Scott said it was Megrahi's belief that abandoning the appeal would assist in the early determination of his applications to the Scottish ministers for either a transfer to prison in Libya, or release on compassionate grounds.

Apparently it applied to both Applications PTA And Compassionate Release

Found here:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Bomber-desperate-to-return-home.5565710.jp

I wonder who told Megrahi his application would be viewed more favourable if he dropped his appeal though ?

Was it MacAskill when he visited him days earlier ?

23

MilitantTendency,

Musselburgh 21/08/2009 02:20:44
#9 - Possibly, although the strongest message I got from Darling on the tv tonight was 'thank goodness it wasn't our shout on this one'.

There's a lot the SNP have done I don't agree with but tonight I'm glad that Macaskill has been brave enough to make the more difficult, but correct decision.
24

notnowmooky,

California 21/08/2009 02:26:14
It is not often that tiny Scotland has an opportunity to make front page news around the world. And it is even less often that Scotland has an opportunity to show any kind of respect to America - the nation that accepted so many Scots and, up until today, thought of Scotland as a friend and ally.

Compassion towards one mass murderer does not outweigh compassion for the families of the hundreds he killed.

Scotland will pay for this snub. America will remember how the Scots shat upon us and sent a killer to a hero's welcome.

Scotland, you are now on the side of terrorists.
25

2Right,

On Location 21/08/2009 02:36:46
The only part of this compassionate release I am not happy with is the blackmailing of Megrahi to drop his appeal.

This was only to allow Scotland to keep the lid on their Crumbling Justice System who keep material evidence from All Accused.

What Happened at Megrahi's trial was nothing but shocking.

There was absolutely no evidence he was Guilty
26

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:44:18
@25 "The only part of this compassionate release I am not happy with is the blackmailing of Megrahi to drop his appeal."

As I understand it, it is not permissible under Scots law to release someone on compassionate grounds while their appeal is still ongoing. It's not so much blackmail as an unfortunate fact of reality. Correct me if I'm wrong.
27

sheena,

at home 21/08/2009 02:52:40
Having listened carefully to MacAskill's very lucid explanation of his thought processes in coming to this decision, I now believe that he made the correct, indeed, the only possible, decision. Eventually, it boiled down to a choice between sending him home to die or keeping him here, not in Greenock prison, but in a Scottish hospital or hospice. Imagine the effect that would have had on the other terminally ill patients and their relatives, with the hospital full of security personell and the world's press and media on the doorstep - not to mention the real risk of an attack on one of the world's most despised criminals.

For practical as well as compassionate reasons the only choice was to return him to Libya. Surely the nation with egg on its face tonight is Libya, rejoicing at the return of a dying, convicted, mass murderer?
28

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 03:08:15

The whole point of the matter IS! and ONLY IS!

GOD Has Passed His Judgement, the man is going to Die!

It is not for us, 'the where', it makes none the difference!

We The Scottish People have Shown, that we have NOT got the attitude of Megrahi.

The Fiery-Gates Await Him!

29

mangrove jack,

Australia 21/08/2009 03:09:55
@ 24
Firstly Scotland has contributed scientists, presidents, industrialists explorers etc to the USA. You may also be interested to learn that your Declaration of Independence is a direct copy of the Treaty of Arbroath. Scotland is not in the USA’s debt, rather it could be argued that the USA is in Scotland’s debt.

But the real question is what gives the right to criticise all Scots and Scotland as a whole over a decision made by a politician? May I suggest that you would be better occupied by turning your attention to some of your own. Including “Mission Accomplished” George Bush and his corrupt administration.

30

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 03:23:18

We do not want the ones who are to, 'rot-in-hell', on our doorstep, far the better not this symbol.



31

Canada Hates You,

CANADA 21/08/2009 03:23:24
Disgusting decision Scotland...absolutely SICKENING!
32

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Hanging one's head in Shame 21/08/2009 03:35:56
Scotland should hang its head in shame.

It has now proven to the World it is incapable of handling its own affairs.

The whole world is laughing at you. You can try and defend the decision to free this animal, but it just does not wash.

We deserve evrything about to come our way and it aint nice.

I for one, a life long nationalist, will never ever vote SNP again. This is a disgusting act that can never be forgiven.
33

Beth Boyle,

NY 21/08/2009 03:41:43
The way the Trump land grab was handled and this does make one question what kind of law rules Caledonia.
34

Graeme,

Guangzhou 21/08/2009 03:57:03
As i said on the other article this brings total shame on Scotland. As a proud Scot all I can do is apologise on behalf of the nation to all the families of the victims.
35

TimCam,

Lexington, KY US 21/08/2009 04:17:44
mangrove jack, Australia 21/08/2009 03:09:55

Dude, we voted George Bush and the Republicans out. OK? Make a note of it.

The millions of us of Scots descent in the US hardly need to be reminded of the country's contribution to the Declaration or dozens of other things "American".

It's just not going to be a lot of fun saying "Scotland is great! You should vacation there!" As we have been doing on a regular basis. Go to Scotland, you'll have no trouble finding vacationing Americans, at least until this SNP bumpkin move.

Scotland here has the image here of a fierce, proud, innovative, intelligent, defiant, strong people ... who are OUR FRIENDS. But today MacAskill looked like a tiny and weak man ... who is NOT OUR FRIEND.

Say what you will about Bush, he would never have done this to Scotland.
36

Doc Shaphan,

Auckland 21/08/2009 04:20:39
I have a soft spot for moderate and less medieval followers of Islam and other non-Christian religions but maybe the mercy shown to a revengeful person and his like could start to educate Middle Eastern countries to remint revenge into actual negotiation,forgiveness and mercy. For some III Mil. Middle Easterners have greeted as "Salaam - Shalom". Maybe they should read the life of Jesus of Nazareth and learn more about "being just, merciful and faithful!"
37

Castaway™ ,

21/08/2009 04:26:20
Kenny MacAskill had a decision to make and I feel he made the correct one.
38

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 21/08/2009 04:42:03
I'm grateful and proud to come from a country where the law - Scots law - demands that the right action be taken, rather than choosing the action that has the most positive impact upon "trade and tourism". We'll leave that sort of an approach to U.S. law. I'm actually quite stunned that our politicians - in fact, any politicians - have acted in the morally defensible way that they have, knowing full well the flak that would inevitably come from across the pond, from those who must have their pound of flesh regardless of whether it is cut from the guilty party or from some poor sod who wasn't involved.

On a less eloquent note, I couldn't give a flying f*** what the Americans think of our legal system.
39

Regulator II,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 04:48:23
Unfortuantely Scots Law says if he's going to die, he can be released on compassionate grounds. I think this is wrong, but that is the law.

Other terrorists have gone on to make an important contribution to mankind, notably Nelson Mandella. I can't see Megrahi having the same influence though
40

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21/08/2009 05:03:12
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 21/08/2009 05:09:07
#46

Speaking of golf;

Does this anti-Scottish movement in the good old US of A mean that thon d!ckhead Donald Trump will p!ss off back from whence he came and stop bothering us?

To the rest of you self-righteous, indignant Americans. Two words.

George Galloway.

I'll wait until you world-wise crowd have gone off to Google him before I'll bother checking back for replies.
42

Summer Rain,

21/08/2009 05:11:39
CONT'D

THEY WERE PLANNING ON THEIR ANNUAL EXPENSIVE TRIP TO SCOTLAND-THEY HAVE AS OF TODAY, CANCELLED THAT TRIP-BECAUSE OF THEIR OUTRAGE AT THIS INCOMPREHENSIBLY EVIL DECISION ON THE PART OF THAT TOTAL IDIOT YOU HAVE AS A JUSTICE MINISTER! A DISINGENUOUS, LYING IDIOT, I MIGHT ADD!

AND LET ME ASSURE YOU-"MacASSkill's DECISION" AS IT WILL BE KNOWN, IS GOING TO HAVE PRONOUNCED AND SEVERE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES FOR SCOTLAND'S TOURISM INDUSTRY-AND SINCE THAT'S ABOUT ALL YOUR IMPOVERISHED COUNTRY NOW HAS TO SUSTAIN ITSELF, I'D SAY YOU ARE IN FOR SOME HARD TIMES.

AND ONE MORE THING, ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND IS SOOOOO VERY "COMPASSIONATE" TO ITS PRISONERS-MEGRAHI IS THE FIRST MASS MURDERER, THE ONLY MULTIPLE MURDERER IN SCOTTISH LEGAL HISTORY TO BE RELEASED ON SO-CALLED "COMPASSIONATE" GROUNDS-THE OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN RELEASED HAVE NOT BEEN MURDERERS!

YEAH, MACASSKILL-YOU HAD TO SHOW YOUR WEENIE, DIDN'T YOU, STAND UP TO THE BIG BAD U.S.-WELL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR YOU IN FUTURE, BECAUSE IT AIN'T GONNA BE GOOD FOR YOU-OF THAT YOU BE ASSURED OF-THE CROWN OFFICE I KNOW IS JUST GOBSMACKED AT THIS DECISION!
43

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 21/08/2009 05:16:25
#46 and #48

Not like Americans to throw around threats when they don't get their own way, is it?

Not coming to golf any more?

Good. Your golfing etiquette stinks anyway.

Now it's my ball, and I'm going home.
44

Summer Rain,

21/08/2009 05:27:18
YOU STUPID SCOTS SHOULD BE CRINGING CRINGING CRINGING IN EMBARASSMENT FOR YOUR COUNTRY! MacASSkill TRULY HAS MADE SCOTS LAW A TRAVESTY, A LAUGHING STOCK AROUND THE WORLD-THE NAIVE VILLAGE MENTALITY MAKING DECISIONS WITH A WORLD IMPACT-HA HA HA! WELL, THAT WILL BE THE LAST ONE YOU'LL EVER BE ALLOWED TO TAKE, OF THAT THERE CAN BE NOOOOO DOUBT!
45

Castaway™ ,

21/08/2009 05:42:02
#46 and #48 The Open golf championship will be held at St.Andrews in Scotland between Thursday 15th to Sunday 18th July 2010, now let us wait and see if any of them will announce that they will boycott this event ? I am sure none of the US golfers will be cancelling this trip to Scotland.
46

mark mccann,

21/08/2009 05:42:27
This whole sorry episode sickens me, the U.K. government just did a deal with Libya on a prisoner exchange deal, when we all know that the bombing was a Libyan state sponsored reaction to the "accidental" downing of a Libyan airliner off the coast of the U.S.
Kenny MacAskill has chosen the only decision that ultimately, we will all see as the right one.
Unfortunately this has turned into a political dog fight but only because of the weak and morally corrupt gesturing by the British government and the original, unbelievable mistake by that U.S. navy ship off the Eastern seaboard of the United States.
Al Meghari was a pawn of the Libyan government who we are now all supposed to treat as a friend. The blame for this mess doesn't lie with MacAskill, nor with Meghari but with the U.S., Gadaffi, and the U.K.
I remember crying as I watched the news that fateful night when those bodies rained down on Lockerbie, now I feel like crying again as the political posturing and insults rain down on our proud and compassionate country. Scotland was the victim that night, and once again we are being punished for the sickening politics of this new world order.
47

jamurai,

21/08/2009 06:12:49
#50 Why? What are you going to do? Bomb us? And by the way, please stop shouting.
48

Jimmy Le Pie,

21/08/2009 06:20:23
#50 Summer rain,

Are you 90 cents short of a dollar??
49

Angleland Isover,

21/08/2009 06:30:55
An innocent man sent home to die, now that's Scots law. If people don't like it they should move to those countries which think that justice is a laughing stock.
50

Angleland Isover,

21/08/2009 06:38:08
MacAskill is not Blair Scotland will do the right thing. No more lapdog.
51

Fro,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 07:15:04
David Maddox is now laughing stock of the journalist world.
52

John Cameron,

St Andrews 21/08/2009 07:46:52
I totally agree with Dr Swire whose dignity and common sense stand in stark contrast to the vengeful shrieks from across the Pond. The evidence against Megrahi was at best circumstantial and much of it was simply farcical. By-passing the jury system to obtain the "correct" result was a dangerous ploy and left the Scottish Law Lords looking pretty silly. However, MacAskill inherited this mess from ZANU Labour and probably did best he could. Why should he have listened to a hoodlum like Ted of the Chappaquiddick or Hilary of Whitewater - both of whom would have spent time in the nick if the American justice system was worth a spit in the wind? As for Obama, his unsavory, gangster friends in Chicago make his present warbling from the “high moral ground” look like the utmost hypocrisy.
53

Ben Thehoose,

21/08/2009 07:47:29
Well done, McCaskil! A hard, brave and on balance a correct decision.

Let's show the barbarians how civilised persons think and act.
54

eric,

lthn 21/08/2009 07:54:38
Remember Mary Queen of Scots,just a pawn in a game.
somethings never change,
55

NZ Scot,

21/08/2009 07:58:54
Seems to me this is like a referee redressing the balance when he knows he's made a mistake (or in this case someone else's mistake); most people who took the time to read or watch coverage of the evidence regarding the bombing accept that Megrahi was a patsy, and that his trial and conviction was the real shame of the Scottish justice system (under extreme pressure from London and Washington). The SNP, in my opinion, are now doing the the right thing. Perhaps the North Americans posting on here should ask their elected representatives to re-open the investigation, with an emphasis on what political deals were most important to the USA/Canadian governments of the day?
56

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21/08/2009 08:00:35
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Linda,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:03:41
Kenny MacAskill gave a statesmanlike performance and made me proud to be Scottish. It will raise the profile and admiration for Scotland throughout the World apart from American red necks and right wing Tories.

Constrast his performance with the juvenile utterances of the Labour alternative Richard Baker and the other opposition pygmies in the Scottish Parliament.

Where is Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson who were orchestrating Megrahi's release with Libya.
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21/08/2009 08:21:33
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john z,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:24:39
The Scottish Government has shown itself to be head and shoulders above other administrations worldwide.

Megrahi is terminally ill. He will die shortly. No good is served by a vengeful approach. Wrere it a Scot or an American in a Libyan jail, would you not all be clamouring for compassion.

Now to another matter. Stoooopid americans posting on this paper. I have seen the most outrageous bullsh*t posted, none of which is based upon fact, but then if fox 'news' is your source of info you'll never get it right.

Listen up America land, the number of utter obscenities that have perpetrated worldwide in your name is huge. Your country is full of utter clowns who elect dimwits like the thoroughly stoooopid Gerge Bush. You are all still talking about Palin as a potential presidential candidate - I mean in every other country around the world she is laughed at - except in Americaland.

And as for the number of YOUR OWN CITIZENS whom you have fried to death, yet later have shown to be innocent, it is sickening.

So, bottom line, americaland, until you sort out your own racist, bigotted, unfair, barbaric judicial system, you are in NO position, NO position to criticise Scotland or ANY country.

America would not know christian compassion if it jumped out of its french fries and poked it in the eye.

Right now you finally elected an intelligent president, yet I see news reports that because he wants to provide healthcare for ALL american citizens, he is being branded both a communist AND a Nazi (a communist AND fascist in one person????).

Grow up America.
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Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 21/08/2009 08:26:20
Anyone remember Captain William C Rogers III and his tawdry "combat" decoration awarded for his fearless performance of his duties on 3 July 1988? How many years has he spent in prison?
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westenders999,

21/08/2009 08:28:40
Overall, the decision was right but it is wrong that more could not be done with the Libyan government before release to prevent the airport scenes which must be appalling to many people affected by the bombing.
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john z,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:29:13
Oh, and a final point for America. You have fought for years to extradite a Scot, Gary McKinnon to America, on trumped up charges, when it is widely known he has psychiatric problems. He is not wealthy, and to get taken to court in America, with a sentence meaning he will likely never ever return to the UK, you and your military junta show little compassion.

Then you wonder why people around the world choose to ignore you all.
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Boy Wonder,

21/08/2009 08:30:00
I'm no fan of MacAskill as anyone who reads these threads know ... but in this case he made the right judgement call ... if only he hadn't opened his mouth and droned on for nearly half-an-hour. He sounds like numpty ... and he milked it for all it was worth. But it was the RIGHT decision!

As to our American cousins ... they day we can have a vote in their country for "leader of the Free World" ... is the day they can have a say in how Scotland's Justice system should work.

The Tories can away and bile their heids! They're only a short step up from the vile BNP as it is!
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john z,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:34:04
48

Actually over the last few years there have been several murderers released for the same reasons in Scotland. I think four released from the twenty seven released in the last ten years have been killers.

As for Americans cancelling their trips - well that's just dumb. Period.

Most people in America don't know who Megrahi is.
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rapidly,

Stirling 21/08/2009 08:55:14
As usual, the right wing media in the USA isn't telling the full story about this case - so there's some sympathy for the mislead Americans writing on this board.

e.g. they haven't mentioned that the US government paid off witnesses
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Guy Wersh,

21/08/2009 08:55:46
"Leading QC Paul McBride" oh, that would be the Paul McBride who jumped from Labour to Conservative would it?

"McBride said: "I have been a supporter of the Labour party all my life. However, I now find myself in a position where I can no longer support a party that is serially mendacious and incompetent." Scotland on Sunday 26.04.2009

Totally unbiased of course....
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Tynietiger,

21/08/2009 08:58:43
The truth is out there but Milliband, Mandelson and Brown will keep it suppressed.

What deals were done with Libya by Blair and Brown?

What did Mandelson discuss with Gadaffi's son?
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Denise,

Scotland 21/08/2009 09:07:45
Who the hell do Americans think they are?
They didnt get their own way for once, and are now talking about sanctions against Scotland because of a legal decision made within the compassionate tradition of Scottish justice. He's going to die, very soon. Keeping him in jail wont bring anyone back.

USA you make me sick!!!!
We have troops fighting and dying in illegal wars YOU created, and now you talk about sanctions? Short memories. All you know is vengeance and hate. And greed.
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Housenatters,

oil fields of scotland 21/08/2009 09:12:57
OIL>>>>>>>>>> we need that Libyan stuff

RELIGION, Wealth ,Power.. add POLITICS, and it stinks,just as has this whole episode.

What has the Chief Rabbi got to say..anything..? I response to his friends in USA might help.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 09:14:57
HEADLINE - "Scots law is now 'laughing stock of the world"

Getting it right and just treatment then?
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WL,

Livingston 21/08/2009 09:22:03
I am pleased that Scottish Law is made in Scotland and not in the U.S.A.
It is not for Obama/Clinton to criticize Scottish Law; they are such poor losers.
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aljok.23,

The world 21/08/2009 09:23:39
"The Scotsman" newspaper and Westminster obvious and subliminal propaganda. The laughing stock of the modern enlightened era.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:23:44
From the Guardian to-day.

Gordon Brown was accused today of adopting double standards on Libya because of the government's arm's-length involvement in the release of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.

Labour was accused of "facing two ways" when the party condemned the release of the Lockerbie bomber months after rushing through a treaty with Tripoli on the transfer of prisoners. Critics said Labour wanted to protect oil interests in Libya, by establishing a framework for the transfer of prisoners, while reaching out to the US by condemning the decision of the SNP's justice secretary to free Megrahi.

The row broke out after Labour condemned the release as wrong and said the bomber would still be in jail if it were still in power in Scotland. Iain Gray, leader of the Scottish Labour party, said: "This whole sorry affair shows the SNP as unfit when it comes to the tough decisions of government."

Sir Menzies Campbell, a former Lib Dem leader, said: "Labour is clearly facing two ways on this issue: wanting to enhance relations with Libya but at the same time determined to criticise the SNP for an American audience."

Lord Owen, foreign secretary in the late 1970s when British intelligence learned that Libya was arming the IRA, said: "It is very hard to get at the truth and yet Lord Mandelson is seen with the Libyan president's son. It is very clear that the British government are in this up to their neck. I view all this noise as party politics in a rather crude way."He said he supported the SNP's decision. "I am a humanitarian. Wherever you can you come down in the final analysis to looking at the individual. Are they entitled to die at home or die in prison? If it is humanely possible you should allow them to die at home."

Libya applied for the transfer of Megrahi under the UK/Libya prisoner transfer agreement on 5 May. Jack Straw, the justice secretary, rushed through the ratification of the treaty warning that a delay would damage relations with Libya.
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mrsbruce,

Livingston 21/08/2009 09:29:43
Yet again, I will put in writing that I agree with the decision. It was legally correct, and really the only one to take. Should we overide our legal system to suit other people's views.

As for the man being the only mass murderer released in Scotland and allowed to return to his own country. I don't think we have too many of those TO release for a comparison to be made.

Sadly, yet again America is doing the "If you're not for us, you're against us" thing. It worries me that this attitude is taken over a decision which involves another country's legal system.

I'm not being glib, but it is very much like the big boy in the playground demanding everyone play his game.

It is also very worrying when all your friends look like enemies to you. What do you do when they all go home and leave you alone.
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JD11,

Donabate 21/08/2009 09:31:38
....'Scotland is now on the side of the terrorist'....???????

There are some real loons coming out of the woodwork making wild statements full of anger and bile at Scotland for making its own mind up in a free democratic country.

Apparantly we made a decision based on our own system of governance.

So far the bully boy tactics are from other free democractic countries.

What of free speech and respect for our way of life, especially when we have Scots lads dying side by side, in at least one theatre of War?


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JD11,

Donabate 21/08/2009 09:35:28
....'Scotland is now on the side of the terrorist'....???????

There are some real loons coming out of the woodwork making wild statements full of anger and bile at Scotland for making its own mind up in a free democratic country.

Apparently we made a decision based on our own system of governance.

So far the bully boy tactics are from other free democratic countries.

What of free speech and respect for our way of life, especially when we have Scots lads dying side by side, in at least one theatre of War?

I personally would not have released him, but I do not know the details.


Sorry pressed 'go' by mistake, hence the double post.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:35:41
It is becoming obvious that after a great start Obama has been got at by The Washington Establishment.
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DAVID,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:42:07
Can't believe some misguided fools think McAskill's performance was 'statesmanlike" yesterday. I thought it was cringeworthy, embarassing, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou and far too full of religious overtones. But if that's what fools voters, no wonder the SNP gets in.


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Publius,

London 21/08/2009 09:46:49
#63 Linda

You write "Kenny MacAskill gave a statesmanlike performance and made me proud to be Scottish. It will raise the profile and admiration for Scotland throughout the World."

Wrong. It was a piece of long winded cant,humbug and misdirection. It epitomised mealy-mouthed Scottish Presbyterianism at its worst. It's the sort of stuff that irritates non-Scots and makes me ashamed of being a Scot.
A two-sentence statement would have sufficed:
"Megrahi has a terminal illness and is not expected to live long. Accordingly I have decided to release him on compassionate grounds." End of.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 09:48:07
Long live Fidel Castro
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Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:48:14
Whilst I have every sympathy for relatives of those who died, I would point out one thing. Many of those interviewed in the media over the last couple of days have talked about 'wanting closure' and how megrahi's release would deny that. Sorry, but closure comes in accepting what has gone and cannot be undone. Perpetuating one's own grief does little to help.
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MacFhraing,

Callanish 21/08/2009 09:50:20
Yes, I had to read this whole Labour press release to find the reference in the headline. Nothing measured about the slanting of this language. Perhaps, David Maddox should read the Herald to find out how to balance an article, and you could hardly call the Herald pro-SNP. It just isn' t ostensibly pro- the other parties either, as the New Labourman is. I thought MacAskill, though troubled-looking, gave a statesman-like speech, and lucidly explained, point by point, his reasoning. However, judging by some of the demented posts on this message-board, rational decisions aren' t as important as raw emotion, especially those from North America, home of fundamental Christianity. Strange, I thought a distinguishing feature of Christianity was the ability to forgive.
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antifa,

21/08/2009 10:01:02
The Scottish government was in a difficult position and probably made the right call.

However, it would have been better to have allowed the appeal to continue because we all know that the real reason this man was released was because no-one (other than a few Scottish judges and a larger number of idiotic Americans) thought he was guilty.
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Kingcounty,

Seattle WA 21/08/2009 10:08:15
#58 John Cameron started his post with a regard for the compassion of Dr Swire but then drifted into lunacy by offering backrag stories for which most Americans have offered scorn without the nudging of Mr Cameron. Your diversion from empathy to idiocy is the stuff of which fools are made.For the record I do sympathize with Dr Swire in his loss but I totally disagree with his opinion on a case which has already been tried and I hope that he is not using his ten minutes of fame to exploit his loss. I too know of others who are still grieving their losses and who offer no compassion for Meghari.
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John S,

21/08/2009 10:10:08
Part of the release statement from Megrahi
I would like to first of all take the opportunity to extend my gratitude to the many people of Scotland, and elsewhere, who have sent me their good wishes.
I bear no ill will to the people of Scotland; indeed, it is one of my regrets that I have been unable to experience any meaningful aspect of Scottish life, or to see your country.
To the staff in HM Prison Greenock, and before that at HM Prison Barlinnie, I wish to express thanks for the kindness that they were able to show me.
For those who assisted in my medical and nursing care; who tried to make my time here as comfortable as possible, I am of course grateful......etc etc
BBC - Thur, 20 August 2009 http://tiny.cc/v8m5I
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 21/08/2009 10:22:06
It seems the greatest "sin" that Scotland has done is not follow the "instructions" from the US.

The US is a country that set up and runs GITMO - TO THIS DAY. The US is a country that invented Rendition Flights to take people detained without law, to other countries in order to circumvent US Law while they torture them.

No US Citizen need lecture Scotland on what is right and wrong.
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Jacobite's ,

Scotlands Own 21/08/2009 10:28:02


To all you so called scotsmen who are supposed to have a brain between your ears, the yanks sacrificed a few people on a plane so that they could fit up Gadaffi's country for this crime

Its so very unususal that the evidence and the the man that identified Meghrahi were put in place by the CIA, when it comes to fitting anyone up no one does it better than the Americans.

And to all you so called scotsmen who are blaming the SNP - this is nothing to do with politics but its the conscience of a country who cannot condemn a dying man
to a foreign land but to be with his own people.

A hero's welcome - the man always said he was innocent of the crime and had to give this appeal up in order to get home to his loved ones, I think this sticks in his throat.

NO THE AMERICANS ARE TO BLAME FOR THE PAM AM BOMB AND ALL YOU READERS CANNOT SEE THE WOOD FOR THE TREES


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For cowardly actions,

Vote the SNP 21/08/2009 10:34:08
#92 I think you you should replace the word Scotland with the SNP. Scotland wants nothing to do with your cowardly decision.
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Paesano,

21/08/2009 10:35:16
24 - you're a numpty as correctly pointed out by 29.

Cheers for the threat though on behalf of the US to the whole of Scotland - guess it's the price you pay when you don't do as you're told. Threatening others because they have different beliefs....they should have a word for that.
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Jacobite's ,

21/08/2009 10:38:34


#94 Your mind has completely gone, its not political, its what is right, and you are probably the biggest coward of all

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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 10:45:47
HEADLINE "Scots law is now 'laughing stock of the world"

I wonder if TC Campbell, Paddy Meehan, Oscar Slater and the parents of Amanda Duffy will agree with that incredulous slur.
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John S,

21/08/2009 10:49:20
# 92 I agree and we should not forget:-
Sunday July 3, 1988, Iran Air Flight IR655, 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children from 6 countries killed, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes.
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Sedov,

21/08/2009 10:55:46
This is just what Labour want at the moment. By keeping stum over this issue they are hoping the Tories and the SNP will have a bit of a slanging match and trip over each other in the process... and the SNP supporters are falling for it!

Taking a close look at all the parties, what choice do we have at the next election?? - vote for me the Sedov Party, cheap beer and crisps and a free entry into the Falkirk Wheel!
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 10:58:33
Notnowmooky #24 California
Many thanks for your pious and sanctimonious sermon. Amen!
Now please lecture us about similar mass murderers from 1945 who were offered sanctuary in the USA, and also the more recent cases of the terrorists and mass murderers who operated with impunity only 25 miles from Scotland’s shores, financed by Noraid money from our old friends in the USA.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Mai Lai Vietnam 21/08/2009 11:04:40
Often called My Lai, but correctly called Son My was a South Vietnamese village, the site of an aAmerican Massacre of 504 civilians on 16 March 1968.
The unit involved was a part of the Americal Division and an Army Lieutenant was court martialed, sentenced to Life Imprisonment and later pardoned by President Richard M. Nixon.
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The Scotchman,

21/08/2009 11:05:58
92 Don't forget the USA beat, rape and murder children in their Iraq and Afghan wars. That's when they are not blowing planes out of the sky, blindly lobbing missiles into Sudan, demolishing the twin towers, lying at the United Nations, and more.
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Mikey,

21/08/2009 11:06:26
Here's a question for all the loony right wing septics and their equally raving Britnats!

Do you agree that the purpose of prison is to punish and remove a person who is a danger to the public?

Do you agree that revenge has no place in due process?

If you agree with the above, then you must agree with the Justice Sec who feels that Megrahi is no longer a threat to the public and will not offend again.

From a personal point of view, I believe that he is not guilty and has been a patsy in this whole affair. Bush senior has a lot of questions to answer on Lockerbie, answers he has always refused to give.

In Scotland, we believe that revenge has no place in due process. In England we have a gentleman named Mr Swire whose daughter died on flight 104, who seems to agree with the above.

When are you all going to stop taking Fox as your source of news and start thinking for yourselves?

The only difference between us and you is that we believe nothing we are told by government and news and you believe everything.

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Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 21/08/2009 11:09:51
Oh yeah, and maybe our american friends can tell us about the Oliver North saga and how he furnished arms, brought from Iran, to terrorists in Nicaragua who were fighting the democratically elected government?

Or how about the CIA financed coup in Chile in the 1970s?

Let's face it, Scotland would have to go a long way to even scratch the surface of American support for terrorists!
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Paesano,

21/08/2009 11:12:35
98 good point. Utterly shameful - and what happened to the US personnel involved in that mass murder? Are they serving time to this day?

As if needed it is a sorry reminder of how inept the US is - a trigger happy nation with appauling aim. As a smaller country this might play to our advantage should the US attack.
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brianclark,

Dunfermline, 21/08/2009 11:19:46
No wonder the Anglofiles in Scotland are outraged on behalf of their English Masters who fly "The Butcher's Rag" ............. but a Great Decision for Scotland's place in the World ....... for those seeking to understand mercy and reason I would commend a Film based on a true story about Scots in Burma ........" War to end all wars" from 2001 with Robert Carlyle and Kieffer Sutherland ........it's all there !
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Paesano,

21/08/2009 11:20:25
And the answer to the question of what happened to the US personnel responsible for murdering 290 civilians is....

The crew of the Vincennes was awarded Combat Action Ribbons for having actively participated in ground or surface combat, and the captain received the Legion of Merit.
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It's me!,

21/08/2009 11:25:01
#24. Your comments are symptomatic of the USA's attitude to the world, that is, you can bully any country you want, so long as it is smaller than your country. Hitler thought he could bully the world but he came to a sticky end. And before you say you saved the world back in the forties when you came in late, as usual, Canadian and British forces outnumbered Americans on D Day. That was a war that made you extremely rich. Britain has only recently stopped paying the USA for lend lease. And when that war was over the USA was happy to pay for the repair of Germany but refused to help their ally, Britain, until a newsreel shown in USA cinemas some years after the war ended showed British kids digging frozen ground with pickaxes to get something to eat. History isn't made in Hollywood. Hollywood just corrupts history to make it look as though the USA is always the hero and saved the world.
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Steve McGregor,

Dundee 21/08/2009 11:30:19
America, the greatest nation on earth. compassion=weakness
retribution=justice
bullying=strength

The british sycophant are so angry that a great nation in scotland has stood up to a bully to ensure justice and compassion. don't worry, you will get used to it.

SAOL ALBA
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Martin_edinburgh,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 11:33:05
270 victims. 8 years served. Roughly one third of a month per victim. Some justice.
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maclean hodge,

21/08/2009 11:34:56
Bophal 8000 indians killed American owners held to account? Pay the relatives a few measly yankee dollars to shut them up.The Americans are incensed over the american deaths in Lockerbie they dont mention the SCOTS who were killed in their houses.Then again if you are not American or Israeli you are a second class citzen.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 21/08/2009 11:48:17
I would like to say that there are a lot of hypocritical American posting on here and they have a brass neck to criticize anyone. Of course that's what they are good at.
Do they forget good ole USA justice? The Captain of the ship which blew a Syrian airbus out of the sky killing 200+ passengers was promoted. The man who pushed the button was awarded a medal. I will not go down the road of torturing prisoners in Iraq or raping innocent women then shooting them.

This decision by McAskill was made in the same way that any other prisoner would be treated in Scotland. This is our legal system and thank God not American. I see no comments from US posters about the US companies waiting in the wings to get into Libya to drill for OIL.

Now for the uneducated posting on here, mainly it would seem Americans, this decision was made in the desert by Tony Bliar. This man, Megrahi, was going to be released come what may. My own opinion is the the SNP Government and the Parliament were against the prisoner transfer deal so took the easy way out.

It is not as #26 rev Campbell suggests a requirement of Scots law that any appeal must be dropped before release on compassionate grounds can be granted. We have heard that a whistle blower in the justice department released an email that alleges Megahi was advised to drop his appeal.

Now the US poster should realise that their government and ours ( UK) did not want this appeal to continue and they should be venting their anger in those directions.

Ian Grey has a bloody cheek criticizing any one as it was his then leader that signed the prisoner transfer deal. I have not heard of any UK prisoners being transferred back to the UK or any other Libyan being sent there. The Grey man, as usual, makes a lot of noise after the fact but kep his mouth shut on what he would have done prior to the release. Typical empty head.

Scottish justice is a joke and corrupt and always has been so get over it.

American politicians and UK o
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steve52,

Kinfauns 21/08/2009 11:50:02
continued....of course are finding it all to easy to kick the Scottish Government and keep their own hands clean. Further proof that we dont matter here in Scotland as Libyan oil is far more important.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 12:01:51
My only concern in that there will be a US backlash against Gary Mckinnon
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Alec M,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 12:07:29
#100 Strict Ivan Jellicoe - "... the terrorists and mass murderers who operated with impunity only 25 miles from Scotland’s shores, financed by Noraid money from our old friends in the USA", supported by "the (honorary) Sir" Senator Ted Kennedy, hero and sole survivor of Chappaquiddick, who helped lead the clamour against Magrahi's release.
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Alec M,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 12:12:34
#115 Strict Ivan Jellicoe - McKinnon is probably about to be extradited under a treaty, to discover the "mercies" of US justice, which the US refuses to ratify because the British government might use it against IRA terrorists resident in the USA.
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IainGlasgow,

21/08/2009 12:42:46
#93

I find it hdifficult to believe the powers that be may have been behind the bombing. NOT because I don't think they are capable of it but because it happened so close to home and I find the idea of a false flag terror attack in Scotland so hard to swallow. No wonders 911-Truthers in the USA are so villified.

Giving it more consideration and having seen the movie "Loose Change" 2nd edition and the "911 - Blueprint for Truth" presentation by an architect about the collapse of WTC-7, reported by BBC News 24 around 20 minutes before it happened with the building in sight behind the reporter (one for Best of Auntie's Bloomers if it wasn't such a gravely serious issue), I honestly don't know what to believe any more but I certainly don't trust the British and American Governments and their various agencies.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 21/08/2009 12:48:29
IainGlasgow @ 117

Pan Am 103 was late leaving London and if the 'plane had left on time it would have exploded over the Atlantic. The bombers (whoever they were) did not plan for it to explode over land where it could be investigated more easily.
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 21/08/2009 12:48:46
Strange reaction from the US.

I recall that on 3rd July 1988 a state of the art American warship was within Iranian territorial waters when the Captain fired on a civilian Iranian Jumbo Passenger Jet.

He murdered some 292 unarmed Iranian civilians that day. To claim he "mistook" an Airbus A300 for a fighter craft simply is no more than pre-ambulation around the outermost perphiry of credulity!!

This mass murderer was decorated for his war crime!
I understand that due to the sophistication of his equipment he could monitor even the air traffic control in Iran from where the aircraft took off!
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Prudence,

21/08/2009 12:53:45
In Libya, Youssef Sawani, director of the Gaddafi International Charity, said: "It shows justice can be done and that the issue is not one of revenge"

Exactly my thoughts. Justice that delivers mercy in the name of compassion is the hallmark of an evolved society rather than justice delivered in the name of revenge and the concept of killing to stop killing .That a tiny nation like Scotland was finally able to point this out to the world and show the way forward by deliverance of its justice system and the law of its land is really quite remarkable. Yesterday was a historic moment toward a better goal for the future for the human race.

I bought a Scotsman yesterday.Michelle Ciulla Lipkin asks “What solace can we find ?” There is no solace in the absence of compassion. Those who have a gift to reach beyond the confines of physical existence will tell you that there are no boundaries that prevent the love of a father reaching out to his daughter; and it is in your father's name and in the names of all those that died in the Lockerbie bombing that an international enquiry must be held. They are crying out , Michelle , not for justice in the name of vengeance and retribution but justice in the name of compassion.
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 21/08/2009 12:55:31
Incidenyally, since when is it necessary for a country to pay a witness some $7,000,000 just to testify to having "seen" a suspect in Malta!

Seems to me that the possibility exists that money could have been a motivation to testify to the satisfaction of the US government!
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Lys Alf,

Scotsman 21/08/2009 12:57:30
Post 121

Apologies:

Please substitute Incidentally for Incidenyally in my post 121!
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Gunga Din,

21/08/2009 13:06:26
maltese tony was apparently shown a photo of megrahi before he was could not and did not pick him out from the first i.d.
maltese tony is now an aussie citizen with a new identity and loads of us dollars in his account.
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IainGlasgow,

21/08/2009 13:11:04
"US PRESIDENT Barack Obama last night demanded..."

Yes let't talk about Barack Obama and let's consider that maybe today is a good day to bury news.

Perhaps bury news such as the fact websites like Youtube, Flickr and Social networking sites are censoring material criticising America's Demagogue President. I thought that was the kind of thing the Chinese Communist Party do - no?

Perhaps bury news that leading Australian medical experts are warning that mass Swine flu vaccinations could spread infectious disease and cause deaths.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 13:14:31
the scottish decision was correct,if people are not satisfied with this they should call for a full scale enquiry into the whole matter then maybe they will find out who the real culprits were,
even the thickest person would now realise that this was a full scale operation supervised by perhaps two countries and must have involved many people'
so instead of perpetually complaining about scotland
they direct their energies to finding the real killers
for it certainly does not appear to be the man they are blaming,as for being a laughing stock,nothing could be more laughable than the american or even the english laws,some look like they have been drawn up by madmen
and as far as this american president goes I wouldn't give him a job selling doughnuts ,he seems to be just another cowboy
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Sedov,

21/08/2009 13:32:37
#125 blueheed

Correct me if i am wrong, but my understanding of history is that Scots did have a hand in creating both English and American law.

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Scottyboy007,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 13:47:12
Sadly on the 20/08/09 we have seen the beginning of the demise of the SNP. Salmond the curry favour friend to ALL has made the biggest mistake of his life !! MacAskill who wrongly tried to solely take the blame for HIS decision has been condemned through out the World. The SNP WILL NEVER win another election and has solely destroyed itself in a single blow trying to be everyone’s friend !!
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Miss H,

21/08/2009 13:50:51
127 What utter nonsense. This story will run for another couple of days due to the debate in Parliament and then it will be forgotten about.

It is not really that important after all.

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Satire above all,

21/08/2009 14:17:37
Just want to say that yesterday, as I listened to KM, I was filled with pride...because he reminded me that our vlaues are more important than any personal or political gain and for that he is to be commended.

Only those who are too blind to see the truth of this, or are only interested in acting to the detriment of our nation would disagree. Shame on them. Shame on them all. And let it be to their dying shame that they should so easily have forsaken their nation and their people.

I salute you, KM. You are a true son of Scotland unlike those who have betrayed you.

As a sidenote...it is a bit rich of the US to criticise any nation. Do I have to provide the endless list of the wrongdoings the US has been involved with? They should first take a look at their own justice system before attacking the justice system of others. The hypocrasy of the US is without end.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 14:33:12
Scots law was compromised as soon as it was agreed that the trail take place in the Netherlands and the need for a jury was set aside.
He's a convicted murderer ? So were Oscar Slater and Paddy Meehan before him.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 14:33:55
127 the Union is saved !
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Sedov,

21/08/2009 14:36:26
I had my doubts about Scots law when I got arrested for urinating at the side of Easter Road stadium at a new years derby and got fined £10.

Maybe I should have got the jail.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 14:37:04
24 - grow up.
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bostonbear,

Downward spiral 21/08/2009 14:53:19
Obama should concentrate on the mess he is making in his own country. Not forgetting the fact that he single handedly closed a facility housing thousands of suspected terrorists some of whom possibly contributed to the deaths of US citizens. Now here he is clutching at strands of hope for support at home by condemning the release of a man who is almost dead.The man is a fool he should concentrate on doing some good for the people of his own country instead of plunging it deeper into depression.
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Captain Flint,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 15:13:44
You know what gets me about all this? It's the way that America tries to pass itself off as a Christian country, but often finds it so difficult to display a single shred of any recognisable Christian values.

Scotland, on the other hand, is a more or less secular society, but is still able to show the Yankees a thing or two about compassion and mercy.

Pround to be Scottish. Even prouder just now.
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Mark Boyle,

Johnstone 21/08/2009 15:27:40
Agreed Captain Flint. Proud to be a Scot - very late in the day, but at least an innocent man, jailed for political expediency by the machinations of a British government, has now been released by a Scottish government.

If that means offending a handful of overbearing rednecks (who are as much an embarrassment to their own people as they are a pain in the butt to the rest of the world), then tough: they will not be missed.

When Megrahi is cleared in a few years time (when so-called "fresh evidence" is released that we all knew about years ago anyway), history will once again have proven us correct.

As for Aimee Guthrie, the self-styled "Baby Of Lockerbie"...er, how many years since this self-styled 'voice of the locals' actually lived in the town?
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Rose13,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 15:30:00
Kenny MacAskill is an embarrassment to all Scots, his speech yesterday was arrogant in the extreme. Perhaps the power of being able to make such a decision and the media coverage went to his head. He should savour the moment because after making such a ill informed, inexperienced decision he has done his party enormous damage and they will not be in power after the next election. Well done Mr MacAskill for irrevocably damaging Scotland's relationship with the US!

As for Jim Swire, I obviously feel very sorry for him having lost a child in that way, however his views do not represnt the majority of the relatives.
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trampledunderfoot,

Sarnia, Canada 21/08/2009 15:31:48
Why not release all the other convicted killers in your prisons and throw them a big coming out party?!!!

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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 15:40:45
We do! WE DO!
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Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 21/08/2009 15:41:25
118 Joanna.
The point about 103 being late leaving Heathrow is interesting. Makes even more questionable the claim of the bomb being loaded in Malta. Can you supply me with your source?
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John S,

21/08/2009 15:47:54
Lockerbie's dirty secret - Paul Foot - Guardian
There is, in my opinion (not necessarily shared by the families), an explanation for all this, an explanation so shocking that no one in high places can contemplate it. It is that the Lockerbie bombing was carried out not by Libyans at all but by terrorists based in Syria and hired by Iran to avenge the shooting down in the summer of 1988 of an Iranian civil airliner by a US warship. This was the line followed by both British and US police and intelligence investigators after Lockerbie. Through favoured newspapers like the Sunday Times, the investigators named the suspects - some of whom had been found with home-made bombs similar to the one used at Lockerbie. 31 Mar 2004 http://tiny.cc/9XUzK
136

IainGlasgow,

21/08/2009 15:56:11
#134

As far as I'm aware Gunatanamo Bay is still operating and no one has been released.

Nevertheless these people are SUSPECTS, not even charged with anything let alone convicted. Still the US Government thinks it doesn't have to abide by the Geneva Convention, preferring to torture people instead.
137

JohnSmythe,

21/08/2009 16:05:07
Most of the antiAmerican rants on here are based on the same silly fantasies that the Soviets concocted. Come up with something based in reality. In the meantime, how many ethnic cleansings and tens of millions of people did Europeans slaughter just in the 20th century? 100 million?
138

Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 16:08:17
From what reliable source do you come up with that figure from John?
139

Mario Sanchez,

21/08/2009 16:11:24
As an "evil" American who eats children ground up in his hamburger (or taco) I would like to ask one question: How common is it for Scotland to release convicted felons for "humanitarian" concerns. Did this convicted mass murderer of 270 beat out some guy who is a habitual thief? Just curious how the decision process is made. If it is discovered that Scotland does not release many prisoners for humanitarian concerns, then this decision can only be taken as blatently antiAmerican and typical european butt kissing of terrorists.
140

Porry,

Europe 21/08/2009 16:39:21
#7, Dougie: ...the work of wee Picts more likely.
141

Economic Exile,

Perth, Western Australia 21/08/2009 16:45:29

#24 notnowmooky

Scotland on the side of the terrorists? GTF!!

What about all the US citizens who sponsored the IRA during the troubles there?
What about the CIA/ FBI/ whoever who got their people OFF Pan Am 103 BEFORE it took off?
What about the increasing evidence that the Syrians were behind the bombing?

Remember that the wreckage killed many Scots on the ground in Lockerbie, SCOTLAND.

Remember that the Black Watch and other Scots soldiers have fought hard in Iraq and Afghanistan often clearing up the sh*t youre soldiers have created and/ or been unable to deal with.

This decision to release/transfer Megrahi probably involves a whole load of people from various govt agencies and will not have been taken solely by the Scottish govt - dont be so naive. The Scottish govt merely serves to act as a patsy to take all the blame and so called righteous indignation from morons like yourself.


142

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 16:46:05
The worst headline ever.
We release plenty of terminally ill prisoners each year on compassionate grounds - the guidelines are very clear on when this is acceptable or not. Justice is not about revenge.
I can see why the americans think they aught to be able to influence our legal system - they got the guy in jailed in the first place, without having to make their evidence available. Apparently, the prisoners and staff at Greenock prison would all tell you that he was an innocent man.
So, far from laughing at Scotland, the world will see that we stuck by our principles and that we did not let vengeance become more important than justice. Compassion is better than hate. We should move on and be thankful that our Government didn't buckle to external pressures.
143

Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 21/08/2009 18:00:24
145 Mario Sanchez,21 - to answer your question (whatever difference it makes?) Ronnie Biggs was released on humanitarian grounds last week. Furthermore, we live in a country that has always been notoriously soft on crime so what;s the difference?
Pardon us for standing up for ourselves, making our own decisions and running our own country! If you're really peeved, why don't you nuke us with Errol Flynn, Rambo, Bruce Willis, Superman, Batman and Robin and
GI Joe?
Pardon? You can't? They're all make believe? Naaawwww!
In this country they have to advertise GI Joe on television in order to get people to go!.
And while I'm enjoying my rant, the Enigma machine was rescued by brave Scottish sailors, who lost their life in the act, from HMS Petard after it torpedoed U-599. They Americans said they did it. GITUPU
144

Jim New,

Holiday, Florida, USA 21/08/2009 18:11:35
The decision by the Government of Scotland is very disappointing. I lost a friend on Sept 11th and 26 members of my church also were also killed that day. This monster who was responsible for 270 deaths also inspired terrorists to commit horrible acts around the world.

I still have a great deal of respect for the people of Scotland. My disgust and anger is directed at the Scottish Government. I have to remind myself of all the good the people of Scotland have contributed to my country. I would also like to state that I am not of Scottish heritage. This was a very regrettable decision. My heart goes out to the families who have relive this nightmare.
145

Lee John,

Downtown Burnbank 21/08/2009 18:38:17
Fake Americans here too. Sheesh
146

Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 21/08/2009 19:03:59
Item on the this evening's 6pm news on Radio 4: two Pakistani students arrested in England on suspicion of terrorist offences were expelled today and have been returned to Pakistan without having stood trial and without even having been charged with committing any offence.

Apparently no fuss has been made by the London-based meeja. Compare and contrast
147

Unionist Voice,

Texis 21/08/2009 19:13:05
151. If only Scots law allowed for rendition, torture, water boarding, detention for 7 years at Guantanamo, then we wouldn't be a laughing stock.

PS - I am a really Yan Key. Check my location, you all.
148

panamahat,

Cleveland 21/08/2009 19:18:39
"SHAME!", CRY GRIEVING FAMILIES
AND THE RIGHTEOUS ECHO "SHAME!"
FOR WHAT THE "JUSTICE" MINISTER'S DONE
HAS BLACKENED SCOTLAND'S NAME

HOW DARE HE FREE A HEARTLESS DOG
WHO KILLED BY STEALTHY BOMB
VAPORIZED AND SCATTERED
THEY CAN'T GO HOME, THEY'RE GONE.

THE CRIMES SEVERITY DON'T MATTER
THE "JUSTICE MINISTER" SAID
200 OR 2 MILLION
TISH TOSH THEY'RE JUST AS DEAD

BUT THE MURDERER HAS CANCER
AND ANY DAY MIGHT DIE
SO SEND HIM HOME TO HIS LOVED-ONES
SHOW MERCY DON'T ASK WHY

WHY FREE A HEINOUS SLAUGHTERER
OF INNOCENTS AND DREAMS
SO HE MAY DIE A PEACEFUL DEATH
AND NOT HEAR HUNDREDS SCREAMS

BY THE MINISTER OF "JUSTICE"
THE VICTIMS CRIES AREN'T HEARD
PUNISHMENT IS MEANINGLESS
ATONEMENT JUST A WORD

NO JUSTICE HERE FOR LOCKERBIE
FOR THOSE WHO STILL CAN'T SLEEP
FOR FATHERS, SONS AND DAUGHTERS
FOR MOTHERS WHO STILL WEEP

NO JUSTICE HERE FOR THOUSANDS
WHOSE LIVES FOREVER CHANGE
WHEN EVIL TERROR TRIUMPHS
AND JUSTICE IS DERANGED

BURNS AND BRUCE AND WALLACE
ARE BURDENED NOW WITH SHAME
FOR LITTLE KENNY MACASKILL
HAS BLACKENED SCOTLAND'S NAME

Thomas Osbourne Aug.21/09
149

Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 19:24:17
154. well said, and quite right.

If only we had kidnapped Megrahi, then "rendered" him extraordinarily to an Eastern European location for some light torture and water boarding, with perhaps urination and staged photos with dogs snaffling his provates, then detained him at Guantanamo, as per the New Labour justice manual, Scots law would have much more credibility today.
150

Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 19:28:28
154. Nice rhyming though, Andy,
151

K McDonald,

expat, bergen 21/08/2009 19:33:32
"The son of the Lockerbie bomber today spoke of his family's joy that Abdel Baset al-Megrahi’s return to Libya coincided with the start of Ramadan.""

Says it all about the Islamist masters to whom the SNP kowtows these days.

Scotland under the SNP is an out-and-out basket case of a country.
152

LatimerAlder,

UK 21/08/2009 19:40:38
A shrewd move by the SNP. English people have long wanted to get rid of the moaning minnie Scots and their constant whinge about how badly they are treated by the southern oppressors.

This badly judged decision (and the condemnation heaped upon the Scottish people) merely remove any last lingering affection the English may have.

Bye - my wee kilted neighbours. Enjoy independence. We shall watch from afar. (And please will you take back brown and darling too... they've wrecked our joint country...maybe its time they concentrated on just the land of their birth)
153

Unionist Voice,

Abu Grhaib 21/08/2009 19:41:49
157. Well said Andy, And not at all desperate, obvious trolling, so well down
154

TracyDawn,

United States of America 21/08/2009 19:43:59
Guys and Gals,

Please understand. There were a lot of Americans killed on that flight. Let's just say that our government planted evidence. That is not something that your average person is aware of. All we know is that a man who killed over a hundred Americans was released.

You are correct, however, it is suppose to be he who without sin throw the first stone - from the Bible. And I will be the first to say that our government has sinned and is not perfect at all.

I would say that most people from the US who post on here, are not mad at any specific person, but, mad that this man has gone home. That does not mean that you did not do the right things for your country because we are different. Lord knows even though we call ourselves Christian, that we can't even decide if having prayer in schools is right.

I would like to say God bless you all. And please, understand that sadness can be seen as many different things. Understand that America loves you. In my heart, I do believe that.
155

K McDonald,

expat bergen 21/08/2009 19:51:58
The Lockerbie victims were preparing for Christmas with their loved ones. The SNP release their murderer in time for him to enjoy ramadan with his family.

A truly gut churning act of submission towards Scotlands islamist masters.

156

Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 19:55:30
161. Oh Andy, Andy, Andy
157

K McDonald,

expat bergen 21/08/2009 21:00:35
152
Spoot,
Third rock pool on the left 21/08/2009 19:03:59
Item on the this evening's 6pm news on Radio 4: two Pakistani students arrested in England on suspicion of terrorist offences were expelled today and have been returned to Pakistan without having stood trial and without even having been charged with committing any offence.

Apparently no fuss has been made by the London-based meeja. Compare and contrast>>>>


Apparently there is a major difference between a suspect and a convict, you tard!
158

Chiefgottabeef,

21/08/2009 21:12:42
If I get an urge to kill 270 innocent people, I know where to do it! Thanks Scotland!
159

Tartan Viking,

21/08/2009 21:31:19
#164. You'll need to get out of the institute you are in first you dimwit.
160

Tartan Viking,

21/08/2009 21:32:06
#164. Do you think people are fooled by a clown like you?
161

Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 21:35:38
164. Oh Andy, Andy, Andy

the desperation of the inhouse trolling is just too pathetic
162

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21/08/2009 21:39:50
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163

Tartan Viking,

21/08/2009 21:48:08
#168 Or he could join the American Navy and get to kill 290 innocent people.
164

Brianwci,

21/08/2009 21:48:15
But Scottish Law Society president Ian Smart said "the decision had upheld the reputation of the legal profession".

Retired judge Lord McCluskey said: "There is no reason for us not to show compassion."

However, surprise surprise, wee Brit Nat Maddox ignores these august gentlemen and ops for a quote from Brit Nat Tory colleague who talks of Scots Law being a laughing stock around the world.

These British Nationalists will put Scotland and/or Scots down at every opportunity to help preserve their precious union.

Sadly for them, Scots have been waking up to these Brit Nat antics and they are becoming less and less effective.
165

Mrblack,

Scotland 21/08/2009 22:05:06
Hey USA 911 inside job,
how many of your own killed?
Fake wars in Afghanistan protecting oil pipelines and the CIA heroine trade.
Fake war in Iraq killing civilians and your own youth.
Illegal use of white phosphorous against civilians.
Supplying numerous countries with weapons to use against civilians in numerous atrocities.
Finally using Depleted uranium in munitions poisoning even your own soldiers. Birth defects up thousands of times and the world irreparably poisoned.
I could go on and on yet you defend your government to the hilt. Defend your Country your good people not your corrupt institutions bringing pain and misery to the rest of the world.
I could go on but your media will have told you nothing of these things. If to be a terrorist is to rally against these things then welcome Scotland to the axis of evil! you know, that list of countries that threaten petrodollar dominance? USA = bankrupt
166

Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 21/08/2009 22:36:32
#163

How interesting that you have jumped to a conclusion (and an incorrect one at that) about my earlier posting. Perhaps this reveals more about your prejudices than about the two cases in question.
167

d boone,

cumberland tn, usa 21/08/2009 23:02:48
Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful.-- CS Lewis
How true for the victims and the families of Pan Am Flight 103.
It seems MacAskill was nearly tearing up at his own compassion. God save us all from liberals. As the banned Michael Savage says, liberalism is a mental disorder. I'm afraid when you even have the liberal Obama administration calling this action an act of weakness, well, thats saying something. Thats like being called a sissy by a girl scout troop.
168

d boone,

21/08/2009 23:19:31
I also, if ever inclined to murder, have the good sense to drag the body to Scotland where mercy reigns eternal.
What happened to Scotland the brave?
169

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:45:36
154 - from the land that gave us TS Eliot. Don't give up yer day job.
170

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:46:54
174 - well occasionally it disappears in the voting booth. Never heard of '90 minute patriots' ?
171

Flying 15,

21/08/2009 23:48:50
I get more proud of Scotland every day. Hard decision.Good decision. (everyone looks for the hidden agenda.....think about the situation if he died in Scotland!)
172

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:50:14
173 Michael Savage would be an expert on mental disorders, he sees one every time he looks in a mirror.
Hang on, he aint THAT daft, I bet his bank balance is very healthy. He knows that slavering any auld right-wing p*sh keeps the suckers happy.
173

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:51:31
164 - not the maist sensible post in the history of the Scotsman
174

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:52:36
161 - Jesus wants you for a sunbeam
175

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:56:45
158, well dude you might get rid o us but you'll still have Blair, Broon and Mandelson. Friends o' the colonel. God, don't they make us ashamed to be British ?

I bet none o' them brought up the name o' Yvonne Fletcher when they were having tiffin in the Gaddafi tent.
176

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/08/2009 23:59:13
151 - yep, one of them used the word 'football' when if he was a genuine yank would have used the word 'soccer'
177

drrbc,

22/08/2009 01:03:28
I commend Scotland on its compassion, but in a democratic nation the people bear the responsibility for the actions and policies of their leaders. That is why we replaced one government with another, and are now fighting viciously amongst ourselves to control this new one. That in mind, it was Scottish Justice that said "Life".... and YOU BROKE YOUR WORD!
178

Bill Brann,

Texas 22/08/2009 03:26:31
"His conviction was in questin", aw never mind the bunting...in Texas, he's dust...no respect...I'll have my whiskey, please, oh, Kentuck, gracias....
179

whassupdoc,

clackmannanshire 22/08/2009 04:34:49
Thank goodness for Scots Law.
That we have Scots Law is a feature of our being a separate nation with a separate identity. That we can make a decision like this is something to be proud of, as we are proud to be able to stand up to outside pressure from over the Atlantic. We have had little pressure or comment from our silent near neighbour who, it seems, had arranged for Megrahi to go home anyway. Be proud we can make such considered decisions and let them stand us apart from hypocritical war-mongers.
180

Highland Mist,

22/08/2009 05:19:13
All you sanctamonious clowns from across the Atlantic need to gee up on the facts and take a look at what your own govenment did here. megrahi should not have been released, te vast majority of the Scottish people agree with that fact (and remember that "the crime" took place in our airspace and our country and OUR people suffered and died as well). Your government has now benefited from the release of this man who will die convicted and the evidence that we should ALL be hearing will die with him - including answers about who warned so many "important" people not to get on that fated flight (it ws 2/3rds empty) and why CIA agent Abdul Majid Giaka was paid $5m to claim that Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah, the co-accused, showed him two bricks of explosives. Fhima, of course was exonerated of all charges and freed. Yet Giaka's evidence was not struck from the record and used as 'fact' to help convict Megrahi. That flight blew up after YOUR country blew a civilian airbus out of the IRANIAN skies and your arrogant President Bush the 1st refused to even apologise for it. If this is true WHO is the criminal? Most of Scotland's people wanted answers - blame the spineless SNP administration, the UK and the US Men in Black but remember that we are as much the victims as YOU in all of this sorry tale.
181

Highland Mist,

22/08/2009 05:25:41
#183, you are ignorant of the facts, please check out the connection with all of this and the UK government, Milliband and Tony Blair and the men in black in London, (England) and the connection with oil and BP. But then maybe the USA has never acted to protect it's OIL INTERESTS, has it?! We're ALL the victims of this, so cut the nonsense about blaming the Scottish people, we're all victims of the system.
182

Marchmont,

Edinburgh 22/08/2009 09:10:29
"Scots Law is the laughing stock of the world." Perhaps, but not for the reasons given above. The main "scientific expert witness", Thomas Thurman, was not in fact a qualified scientist. It was later found that he routinely altered the scientific reports of the FBI’s chief scientist Dr Frederick Whitehurst. As a result he fired in 1995 and the cases based on his “evidence” re-examined and all of them, except Lockerbie, overturned in US courts. It was Thurman who "identified" the timer fragments as belonging to a batch sent to Libya – a connection later ridiculed by the manufacturer of the timer. This opinion of the manufacturer was outrageously kept from the defence team. This would surely be considered unjust in all other Western legal systems though bizarrely "allowed" under Scots Law - perhaps this is where the "laughing stock" description comes in. When he was asked of the importance of the timer in the conviction of al-Megrahi, FBI Task Force Chief, Richard Marquise, has confirmed that it was "the only real piece of evidence against Libya". He further accepted that "It would be a very difficult case to prove in front of a jury... I do not think we would ever (have) had an indictment."
183

shakespearesaiditfirst,

broughty ferry 22/08/2009 12:16:45
The quality of mercy is not strained
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown

It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice.
184

Bob Firth,

Providence, RI USA 22/08/2009 13:37:10
According to some Scots who have posted here, we colonial rubes should keep our opinions to ourselves because we should never, ever express our disagreement with the Scottish Government or it's officials on it's policies or actions when they affect us also. (What's the Gaelic for "Sieg Heil?") Remember there were victims of 21 nations on that plane, and there is a great big world out there beyond the borders of Caledonia.
185

Bob Firth,

Providence, RI USA 22/08/2009 14:20:36
#171. Mr. Black, you conveniently left out the firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg and The black hole of Calcutta, but oh yes, those were not perpetrated by us Yanks. Those who live in glass houses, etc. etc.
186

Ike,

Glasgow 22/08/2009 14:21:17
This is the most significant decision yet taken by the new Scottish Government and I am proud that Scotland has proclaimed that we are now a country which permits prisoners facing certain death to spend their last few days outside prison. A terrific high value decision.
#190 Please remember there is a great big world beyond Providence, RI.
187

Bob Firth,

Providence, RI 22/08/2009 14:46:23
Please disregard "black hole of Calcutta" in #191. Not a good analogy. Should have referred to the Raj as a whole. And a big scary world beyond Sauchiehall St. Take a look sometime.
188

I Hate Scotland,

22/08/2009 23:53:59
Scotland, you suck. Mr. MacAskill is your Neville Chamberlain.
189

SteveUSA,

us 23/08/2009 04:24:37
To the Brits who keep bringing up the USS Vincennes. Back in 1945, the RAF sank the SS Cap Arcona, a German cruise liner that was filled with thousands of allied POWS and concentration camp victims, over 4000 of them died. Your soviet heroes, torpedoed another Germany cruiser, killing over 9,000 german civilians. But please go ahead, ignore these and USA bash all you want.
190

MariaElena,

23/08/2009 23:34:53
Unlike most commentators on this blog, I thought the speech by MacAskill was arrogant, specious, parochial and intellectually vacuous, as was his interview on Newsnight which was like an automated reply.
I agree that there was probably a miscarriage of justice that could and should have been addressed through an 'expedited' examination of his appeal case.
However, that was not the grounds on which his release was granted : it was on grounds of ‘compassion.'
Any explication of how compassion works in relation to justice and the problems of impunity was markedly absent ; he did nothing to dissect, let alone elucidate that complex relationship.
Further, he offered no justification for why the discretionary exercise of compassion was appropriate in this particular case If some one convicted of mass murder deserves release on compassionate grounds, then no prisoner suffering terminal illness (dying in 3 months) should remain imprisoned. Is that the prevailing principle now? How does that relate to justice and the operation of the judiciary? Due process again was presented as a matter of box ticking.

He has treated compassion as an abstract principle or a bureaucratic set of checkboxes. He made no effort to engage with or contribute to the well-documented discussions and practice in Europe, Africa and Asia on these issues as they have arisen in war crimes, truth and reconciliation, crimes against humanity and political settlements like NI. This is both arrogant and very parochial.

Despite his frequent invocations of the mantra of remaining true to ‘Scottish culture and his claim that a defining characteristic of Scotland is its humanity, he offered no grounding in any particular Scottish traditions which he claims this act is intended to preserve. He made no effort to demonstrate that this is an animating principle of modern Scottish justice. He did not consider that other judicial systems may accommodate this in different ways. It was mere jingoism.
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