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Coe asks Scots critics to rise above Olympic cash row for sake of sport



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Published Date: 01 May 2008
LORD Sebastian Coe, the London 2012 chairman, yesterday said the organisers of the Commonwealth and Olympic Games should rise above squabbling over funding and work together to create a great sporting legacy.
In an interview with The Scotsman yesterday, Lord Coe rubbished the argument that Scotland has lost out on National Lottery cash and insisted it would benefit hugely from the London games.

He was speaking after Stewart Maxwell, the sports ministe
r, said it was wrong that £184 million of Scotland's lottery money was going to the 2012 games in London as the Commonwealth Games Bill passed its final stages at Holyrood.

Lord Coe, who had met Mr Maxwell earlier in the day and was due to have talks with the First Minister, Alex Salmond, said focusing on money failed to look at the bigger picture.

"The argument over the money is a matter for the two governments to resolve," he said.

"But I don't think we would have this argument if it was a hospital or an art gallery. For some reason, people see sports as an added-on extra.

"I would point out that if you look at the geography of Britain, we have a large population and in a small land mass. That means that having the Olympic Games here is going to have an impact on everybody."

His meetings with Mr Maxwell and Mr Salmond were about trying to dovetail London 2012 and Glasgow 2014, he said. "It's wonderful that we have two of the three biggest sporting events in the world within two years in Britain.

"The idea is that we try to share as much knowledge and information as we can to organise these two games. We both want to create a great legacy of regeneration, greater sports participation and volunteers who will help out with the two games.

"There are ways we can save money by sharing ideas and expertise."

He went on: "This is also about inspiring people. When Liz McColgan won Olympic medals, young girls in Leamington Spa in England did not think 'I don't care because she is Scottish' – instead they were inspired to become athletes. Likewise, I'm sure that Kelly Holmes, when she won her two Olympic golds, was an inspiration to young girls in Glasgow, Edinburgh and around Scotland."

He also praised the Olympic gold-medal winning sailor Shirley Robertson, who gave evidence yesterday to parliament's health and sports committee about encouraging people to take up sport. Lord Coe stressed that the Olympics would benefit Scotland greatly. "Scotland has world-class training camps at places like Strathclyde University which will be used.

"You have to remember 80 per cent of the bids for training camps in Scotland were accepted and they were seen as amongst the best.

"Already, a business in Fife – Mason Land Survey – has surveyed the whole land of the Olympic Park in London and produced the GIS (geographical information survey] map for the work which will be needed to be done there. And there will be many more business opportunities for Scottish companies."

He also warned that it was vital that ordinary participation sports were boosted. "A lot of people seem to think that general participation and elite sports are not linked, but they are," he said. "Part of the legacy of both 2012 and 2014 is that there needs to be the infrastructure and pathways in place for people to take up sport."

He added: "I was pleased to talk to the health and sports committee about that and see that they are taking the issue so seriously."

He spoke to The Scotsman as MSPs yesterday passed the Glasgow Commonwealth Games Bill, putting in place measures aimed at ensuring Scotland's 2014 Games are a success.

The legislation prohibits unauthorised ticket sales and "ambush" marketing, and provides powers to address transport and land-purchase issues.

Under terms set out by the Commonwealth Games Federation, the Scottish Government gave a commitment that, when Glasgow won, legislation covering these areas would be in place by 2010.

SCOTS FIRMS CASHING IN

MORE than 200 Scottish companies have applied for contracts linked to the Olympic Games.

Paul Deighton, the chief executive of the London Olympic Games Organising Committee (Logoc), revealed the figure yesterday as he said that all parts of the UK would benefit from the event.

The 200-plus firms have signed up to a network from which work for the games will be awarded. Subcontracts will be chosen from the network, after the main contractors are selected by Logoc, which will prepare for and stage the games, and the Olympic Delivery Authority, the public body responsible for building new venues and infrastructure.

Construction work on the infrastructure is already under way in London and Mr Deighton said contracts for the events – including for equipment suppliers, caterers and cleaners – are due to start being awarded next year.

Mr Deighton said Scottish workers could follow the example set by Australian event organisers, who he said continue to be in demand following the success of the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

"The Sydney Olympics was the biggest and most successful event ever and the Australians managed to turn that expertise into a sustainable business. There's no reason why UK businesses can't do the same," Mr Deighton said.

He said it had become easier to sell Scottish businesses on the benefits of the Olympics following Glasgow's successful bid to host the Commonwealth Games in 2014.



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1

Alfred E. Neuman,

01/05/2008 00:20:31
Asking the SNP to raise above something?

Coe must be a bit wet behind the ears, Salmond is so banal as to argue over a few chess pieces if he thinks there "his".
2

subrosa,

01/05/2008 00:25:35
# 1 Your comments are so banal.

Coe's attitude that 'focusing on money failed to look at the big picture'. Doesn't he have a clue about basic economics with any project... thought not.
3

truthsleuth,

01/05/2008 01:16:03
Coe should do it for the love of the sport!!!!!!
4

iain morrison,

nairn 01/05/2008 01:18:42
We have to focus on money otherwise London will continue to waste ours. From North Sea Oil to our share of the Lottery, we give and London takes.As for Scottish firms winning contracts, so have French, German and Italian firms. The fact is we will help build a new infrastructure for London at our expense.
5

Edward,

01/05/2008 01:31:14
Well and trully fed up listening to creeps like Coe tell us that we should forget about the money and that 'we' will all benefit from the London Olympics
Its about time Scots woken up and relaised were all being taken for prize mugs! All our oil revenue is going straight to London. Only recently it was revealed that from just the Fortes field alone, the UK government are loosing £ 50 million A DAY! So just from this one field alone, Scotlands budget would be nearly paid for. We need to relaise now that we must go for Indpendence and thats sooner than later.
6

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 01/05/2008 01:39:42
Lord Coe is still working hard for his gong.
7

FrancesP,

01/05/2008 01:40:54
"Coe asks Scots critics to rise above Olympic cash row for sake of sport"

You could just as easily argue that Scots should be getting stuck right in to this 'cash row' for the 'sake of sport' - the whole point is that the lottery money being diverted to the London Olympics is costing Scotland dear in terms of potential investment in grass-roots sport (not to mention other good causes). If there was ever the slightest justification for this cash grab, it's well and truly gone now that Scotland has its own major sporting event to prepare for.

And Coe ought to be careful about all this 'Scots cheering on Kelly Holmes' stuff - he's sounding suspiciously like the disgraceful Simon Clegg and his highly political agenda about undermining separate Scottish participation in sport and the 'harmonisation' of funding arragements across the UK. I'm sure we can all make up our own minds who to cheer for in the Olympics without any presumptuous help from a Tory peer.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

01/05/2008 01:45:22
5 Edward

You are an SNP voter, so naturally feel the need to come on here and talk crap about oil and pretend you know.

The forties field pipe helps make £24 million in tax day. Not £50 million which is the total value you idiot.

But you and, we digress, this story is neither about oil nor your ignorance of the subject.
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Is mise,

Ross-shire 01/05/2008 03:02:49
No.12, I read it was £25 million a day which was a third of the UK government's daily oil revenue. Using simple arithmetic, this equates to approximately £75 million a day for the the whole of the UK, or £27.375 billion a year. According to what I've read, Scotland would get at least 90% of the UK's entire oil revenue.

Do you remember the Herald study on the funding of Scotland? It concluded that Scotland was largely breaking even it terms of actual taxes raised in Scotland and UK government expenditure in Scotland. That study did not take into account oil revenues so now we know how much Scotland is actually subsidising the rest of the UK, and why Westminster is desparately keen to keen Scotland in the UK. It is absolute rubbish that we are being subsidised by our friends in the south of England. It all makes sense when you think about it.

The truth of the matter is that Scotland would be a very rich country with a huge surplus if it she was independent. Despite this, I know that some people would still prefer Scotland to remain in the UK for a number of reasons, and everyone is entitled to their opinion on the issue. However, all the facts should be out on the table to allow people to make a balanced decision. From what I've seen, It has been quite obvious the Westminster and pro-union parties have being blatantly been providing misinformation over the years in terms of Scotland's financial position to help resist support for independence. Just take a look at GERS as an example. So much for living in a democratic country.
13

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 03:35:47
Poor Alfred is doing his usual of attacking posters on this forum. I think that is a UK thing in that if you dont agree with the London Centric System you are vilified.

There are many more financial benefits of Oil income coming to its rightful owners. Yes the revenue from the Forties Field would be two thirds of the 50 million per day, by way of duty. And yes the 50 million represents only one third of total income from all our Oil.

But the other benefits that the Unionists tend to wave away as some form of trivial matter is that the Oil Companies would have to relocate their head office to Scotland as there would be no point in being in London anymore, they have little or no Oil. There would be huge benefits by way of employment opportunities for Scots in banking, new support business, a Scottish Treasury and Oil Ministry, Local suppliers would find things to be a real bonanza.

The final point is that the price of Oil is presently around 119 dollars a barrel, but just yeasterday opec stated that it believed prices will reach 200 dollars by the end of this year. That would mean that the total Dollars traveling through Scottish Institutions by way of banks and treasury would exceed 200 million per day by next year. Oh by the way as we all know Oil is pumped 365 days in the year. Alfred try forming your arguements on facts, rather than resorting to abuse. It is not an attractive trait to show to the world. I feel quite embarassed at your behaviour and I dont even like you. ALL THE BEST.
14

Castaway,

01/05/2008 03:57:15
How prices have risen since 2004 - Total 2012 budget up from £3.3 billion to £9.3 billion including contingency.
Jack Lemley, the former chairman of the ODA told the Evening Standard that from "very early on," the ODA was working to a cost estimate for the Games of "well over £12 billion" - more than three times the £3.3 billion publicly claimed at the time.
The cost of the Games will also bite heavily into the National Lottery, which was set up to distribute money to sports, the arts and heritage projects around Britain.
Sebastian Coe,The Games, he said, "will change the face of sport and the landscape of East London."
15

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 04:09:44
Oh by the way Alfred. If we based the Duty and VAT on the London Governments rate that would mean Scotland's Independant Government would receive two thirds of the entire Oil income into its coffers.

With our general tax base, which obviously would increase through New Business relocating to the Oil Capital of Europe, Scotland would result an income that could completely change the Scottish Economy.

Lets try to imagine how many New Capitol Works Projects would undertaken. Our Transport System could be radically changed to a standard second to none in Europe. The Housing Problem could be a thing of the past within 5 years. Our Hospitals and Schools would be amongst the best on this planet. Our Government could fund the development of Power Generation from the seas surrounding our Land. Our Commercial Transport fleet could have a discounted fuel cost that would reduce prices and give Scottish Exporters an edge in transport costs of their products. Our Communication systems could be upgraded to a level that would make us world leader. ie Broadband, Telecommunication. A great enticer for overseas companies who wish to relocate to a society that can satisfy their needs. Financial Sector Companies in London would flock to Scotland just on a cost basis alone.

Yes Alfred and it would all be possible within Ten Years of Independance. Thats a Scottish Society I would love to live in, especially with people like yourself living in England singing Land of Hope and Glory in the dark because the government couldnt put money into the electric meter. 50 million people in a country which comprises less than two thirds of the land mass of the mainland or 5/6 million Scots living in one third of the same land mass with an income that could set them up for many generations to come.Hmmm Tough Choice my English Friend.
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 01/05/2008 05:01:55
Why was Lord Coe in Scotland yesterday? It certainly was not to arrange companies from Scotland to take up contacts to build the infrastructure for the London Olympics.
No Lord Coe was sent to Scotland to again divert the idea that Scotland was loosing out on these same London Olympics.
Lord Coe has removed from his CV one embarrassing hobby/sport, why?
Now to the London Olympics, one of the main planks that has to be in the bid to get either the Olympics or the Commonwealth Games is that post the Games there will be Legacy.

To-day we have in London the situation that for one venue in particular, the money set aside is £25 million, plus £8 million to knock it down after the Games are finished.
Is that Legacy I ask you, this particular event venue is still not on paper yet no drawings nothing, yet it has to be available to hold a World Cup event prior to the Games opening?

Lord Coe and the London Olympics are still tying to divert your attention away from these facts; Scotland is loosing out annually on lottery money, and it will not get any Lottery support for the Commonwealth Games as the London Budget goes on until 2015 at least.

The Commonwealth Games are to be run on a shoe string in comparison.
Total cash injection to the Glasgow Games is £285 million from the Scottish Government. From London and the Lottery funds nothing, so where has the Legacy Gone?
Less than 3 days ago we have a report out that the facilities for sport in Scotland at Grass roots level are not fit for purpose. The Legacy that Scotland is to get is more coaches at local level, how thick do those people think we really are. You can not coach and prepare people if the facilities are not fit for purpose.

18

Pmonkey7,

01/05/2008 05:50:49
Lord Coe stressed that the Olympics would benefit Scotland greatly.

In what way? What utter rubbish, there is no evidence to suggest this from previous games' experience. Host cities struggle to show any real benefits.

"But I don't think we would have this argument if it was a hospital or an art gallery. For some reason, people see sports as an added-on extra.

'a hospital OR art gallery'?? Is this guy for real?

"It's wonderful that we have two of the three biggest sporting events in the world within two years in Britain.

In what way is the Commonwealth Games anything near to being one of the top 3 sporting events??
19

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 01/05/2008 06:20:40
The Olympic Games are a scandalous waste of money, no doubt. HOWEVER, the London ones must go ahead, no matter what, as 'we' promised 'we'd' hold them and can't renage now. HEADS MUST ROLL, though.
20

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 01/05/2008 07:07:30
"...In an interview with The Scotsman yesterday, Lord Coe rubbished the argument that Scotland has lost out on National Lottery cash and insisted it would benefit hugely from the London games...."

Maybe Lord Coe can outline exactly how Scotland 'benefits' from this Lottery Cash Raid, how many Scottish Ports Charities are set to lose out?

How much money will the Uk Government be giving to Glasgow for the Commonwealth Games? Liz McColgan got nothing from the uk goverment,she had to do it all on her own,or help from her family.So Coe go back to you English Masters,we don't want your kind up hear.Hope Alex tell you to P*** *f
21

Richardinho,

01/05/2008 07:15:39
'But I don't think we would have this argument if it was a hospital ... For some reason, people see sports as an added-on extra.'

yeah, for some reason people seem to think hospitals are more important than a huge vanity project in aid of the massively corrupt Olympics company.

Why is that?
22

Boggle fey the Bog,

01/05/2008 07:27:15
23 Richardinho,01/05/2008 07:15:39

Hospitals, naw come on now Richardinho, Seb needs his wee joab, he widdnae get that, an aw his 'air miles', if they used the £12bn plus to build such useless things as hospitals, or schools even. ;-)
23

steve 1511,

aberdeen 01/05/2008 07:37:45
lord coe the man who set up a company that will make him at least 10 million from work he diverts to it from the games,another smug crook
24

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 01/05/2008 07:40:37
We are hell-bent on building a new Forth Road Bridge for which much better and cheaper alternatives exist. Not that much difference from a wasteful Olympic Games for which better and cheaper alternatives also exist.
25

JayJay,

Right here 01/05/2008 08:00:24
Only in Britain.
A project is costed at £3.3bn, and a few months later a Government appointed "expert" refuses to take the job of running the budget, estimating that the actual cost will be nearer £20bn.
But, we have not to focus on the costs, look at the bigger picture!
Some of these clowns in the public sector, or the plethora of quangos floating around the public sector, really should have a go at running a business in the private sector. I'd so love to hear their explanation for the bank manager for the outrageous cost over-runs that seem to be par for the course on every government project.
Any sign of a resignation over this latest muddle over the figures that will inevitably suck money out of the rest of the UK? Thought not. And all for a 2-week elitist piece of nonsense where a large volume of the athletes are likely to be drugged up to the hilt!
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brownlie,

01/05/2008 08:24:30
Pleased to see that the Scotland is staying true to our unionist agenda in head-lining "SCOTS FIRMS CASHING IN" before stating that they were not actually "cashing in" but only bidding for contracts.

Strange that they should mention contracts such as cleaning and catering. These are the jobs that Alfred E., in his merry and intelligent rants, claim Trump is going to provide for Scots. It is going to be a rather protracted commute for cleaners and cooks to travel from places like Stornoway and Thurso to London on a daily basis. Maybe George Foulkes will give them some tips on how to claim expenses.
28

Linda,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 08:26:10
Let's rise above the inconvenient fact that Gordon Brown raided the National Lottery Communities Fund to rob the most vulnerable in Scotland of £150 millions.
29

scottish person,

paisley 01/05/2008 08:28:38
Coe is a lying prat, why discuss this when it is so obvious. The hootsmon should give up being a Scottish newspaper.
30

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 01/05/2008 08:34:33
#5 & #9

The Forties Pipeline does not only handle crude oil and gas from the Forties Field. It carries oil and gas from numerous other fields also.
31

Alfred E. Neuman,

01/05/2008 08:46:07
34 FoS

You're an SNP voter so naturally have no capacity for rational thought, but ...

The UK national lottery.

Now the UK include England and Scotland so it makes sense they talk. Coming up to Scotland pays Salmond a courtesy, rather than just summoning him down south.

What is your point?

You come across as an English-hating thicko.
32

Toast,

01/05/2008 08:49:13
£184million is just the tip of the iceberg,hundreds of millions have been syphoned from the heritage lottery and varios others,Lord Coe the man who lied through his teeth to back Devonport and try to shut down Rosyth,now a member of the most corrupt cartel in the history of sport the IOC,and involved in the corrupt misleading costs for 2012,"away and bile your heed you wee turd."
33

GM,

01/05/2008 08:55:34
Alfred,

if all you can do is accuse SNP voters of having no capacity for rational thought, or be 'thickos' I suggest you take a long hard look at why Labour and the unionists are not actually in power any more in Scotland.

I would make the bold assumption that after many years of the kind of condescending nonsense spouted by folks like yourself, the scottish people had had enough.

Abuse based solely on a persons political persuasion and nothing else is baseless, arrogant and as we have seen, not a good votewinner.
34

Biker,

Ayr 01/05/2008 08:56:32
No Alfred. Coe came up here to weasle word his way into getting more out of this region, nothing more. Just how Scotland, and come to that anything north of Birmingham will benefit from these games is anybodies guess.
35

Jimmy the Pie,

01/05/2008 09:15:06
#40

Aye and then there is Highland Mighty and British Pride. Who can ever forget this gem! They could all be the same imbecile???

British Pride,
11/04/2008 18:16:47
553. Whoa! Great! Such typical SNP incite. Fantastic! I only post as Highland Mighty, can you say the same you cyber-nay???
36

AJ Fife,

01/05/2008 09:15:06
Coe can ram his rancid Olympic Games right up his uppercrust bahookie. Scotland wants nothing to do with the 2012 drugathon and we certainly don't want to help fund the, almost certain to be, colossal fiasco.

Steve Ovett rules!
37

jdships,

01/05/2008 09:17:52
Interesting to read all the comments re money being "wasted" on the Olympic games in London and Coe's part in it..
Interesting also to note that there wasn't the same level of criticsm levelled at the overspend on "Dewar's Follyrood" and now the Edinburgh tram system .
For what it's worth I do not agree with the amount of cash being spent on the London games or the Edinburgh trams .
38

GM,

01/05/2008 09:20:56
@44 -
"Interesting also to note that there wasn't the same level of criticsm levelled at the overspend on "Dewar's Follyrood" and now the Edinburgh tram system."

surely a troll on your part?
39

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 01/05/2008 09:22:31
M'lord Coe would have noticed less tension if he had been honest about costs in the first place instead of peddling bogus estimates.
I believe that only a minority in the UK now believe the Olymic games to be a sporting event.
40

Alan B,

01/05/2008 09:22:40
There is no problem with London holding the olympics if she wants to. The problem is when is when scottish moeny is diverted for the purpose. When the commonwealth games were in edinburgh the uk government did not step in when there were financial problems. When it is london they do? Double standards.

A move to fiscal autonomy would stop all the arguing and put in place a structre where by scottish money cannot be diverted to england bacause it is politically expedient to do so.
41

GM,

01/05/2008 09:23:13
@42

yes that was the funniest thing on these forums since 'there will be no council tax freeze"...

I have it stashed away too, since 'The scotsman' decided to take Highland Mighty's faux pas and delete it completely - how suspicious!

Anyway, I also noticed yesterday he was accusing every SNP supporter of using multiple monikers, but as far as I know for sure, he is the only person on here who it can be proven (by his own admission lol) uses multiple logins and names.
42

Alan B,

01/05/2008 09:23:53
#44 u forgot that it cost about the same to do a westminster carpark as holyrood.
43

Jimmy the Pie,

01/05/2008 09:26:26
#48 GM

Aye I think brain cell degeneration is probably at an advanced stage, as his posts are becoming more irrational by the day. His time is coming to an end, just like the Union. Not a moment too soon!
44

jdships,

01/05/2008 09:29:47
45 GM
surely a troll on your part?

Oh dear you and your kind just cannot accept that others may have opinions and have the right to express them without you having to resort to rudeness .

Sad person that you are .

45

Rony,

Fife 01/05/2008 09:31:06
Is that Lord I'm making a bundle Coe?
46

donald anderson it's me,

01/05/2008 09:31:13
Let's all be British together chaps, whilst we screw you.
47

brownlie,

01/05/2008 09:32:46
35 Alfred E.

Congratulations on another escape. A severe reprimand for Reliance and the white-coated brigade again. As a fellow unionist I admire your sensitive and sensible approach to persuading the nats to see the union in the same light.

42 Jimmy

Highland mighty is tied up at present after his annual frolics with the spring lambs.

44 JD
You have a short memory. The Holywood and the trams are a testament to the fiscal prudence which we unionists insist on - except on our second homes and expenses.
48

GM,

01/05/2008 09:51:06
@51

apologies - it was not meant to be rude, but incredulous at your apparent statement that there has been no furore over the scottish parliament costs and the tram scheme, both of which generated the longest and possibly most spiteful threads these forums have ever seen.

I can only assume you were being sarcastic or ironic with you post at 44.
49

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 01/05/2008 09:56:01
"great sporting legacy"

I think all Coe has to do is to miss out "great sporting" and the legacy part will be what he picks up from his own company's involvement in this debacle. £9.3bn for a bit of hop skip and jump that will be slavered over by news teams and sports presenters for about say 6 months and then there's the cleaning up to do. This has very little to do with sport but is yet another rip-off opportunity for both Coe and London. Little wonder he's getting worried that we may be going a bit off-message.

There is no doubt that the re-channeling of Lottery funds into this money-pit has actively reduced sporting opportunities elsewhere including North Britain and spoiled otherwise deserving and much longer-lasting opportunities like the Calix garden project here in Perth as just one example. And Norwich union seek to close a well-used sporting facility locally isn't helping, but just forget about Lottery funding.
50

Rasco,

Inverness 01/05/2008 09:58:38
Name the Scottish companies that have won any contracts.
51

jdships,

01/05/2008 10:09:08
55 GM
Thankyou !
You got it one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
52

interstellarmince,

outer-space 01/05/2008 10:20:11
This London chancer isn't shy! Olympics = self-serving athletes than contribute nothing to anything except their own bubble of self-promotion. Tell Coe to F**K OFF and shove the Olympics up his A**E.
53

Queen D,

Glasgow 01/05/2008 11:03:38
As I understand it Scots firms have had to PAY to tender for any work, none has been awarded so far.

As for Lord Coe , I think a rerun of the Dispatches programme is in order.
Methinks his own profit from the Games is HUGE.
The rest of England will NOT benefit either, and there are many Londoners who seem to be planning holidays for the three weeks of the Games.
Many pi***d off at the whole event and its cost.
Perhaps Lord Coe should speak to them!
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HughB,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 11:22:01
The legacy to everyone should be that when the olympics are finished, and some venues are knocked down, and the land sold (at a much greater price than it was purchased for), then the money from the sale should not be used to line individuals pockets.

No. Instead, that money should be sent back into the lottery funds and public budgets which have been raided.

Just wait and see what happens. I suspect a lot of people down there will be getting very rich when the billions are being spent to organise the games, and then even richer by selling off assets which have been purchased using public money.
55

AJ Fife,

01/05/2008 11:36:50
#60,

I like the cut of your jib, young feller! A near perfect summary of the situation.
56

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

01/05/2008 11:55:38
Let's be honest here - taking the cost factor out - there are many on these threads who oppose the Olympics for their own petty narrow-minded reasons - akin to those Edinburghers who wouldn't support the Commonwealth games bid because it was in Glasgow.

By the way - it is not strictly true that the games will just take place in Stratford. Other venues include:

* Canoe/Kayak - Broxbourne
* Mountain Biking - to be confirmed
* Sailing - Weymouth-Portland
* Football - Hampden Park, Glasgow
* Football - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
* Football - Old Trafford, Manchester
* Football - St James's Park, Newcastle
* Football - Villa Park, Birmingham

That aside - I can understand those who genuinely opposed it on the basis of the cost of the project - but it is going ahead so my feeling is that it should be whole-heartedly supported. That's not saying that Coe should be given a blank cheque - costs still need to be closely monitored.

I'm looking forward to the who event - beach-volleyball on Horse Guards Parade could be interesting viewing . . .
57

CLX,

Way up North 01/05/2008 12:26:39
He should be re named Seb CON cause that is what he's doing to the whole of Britain.
He's done so well up till now that Alex Salmond should get him to organise something like international paint drying to finance the upgrading of some of our poorer areas in Scotland...
58

Alan B,

01/05/2008 12:44:53
#66 the dome was also used to divert money to london that would they could not otherwise have justified as the cash woul have to be spread out among the other areas of the uk.
59

JT,

01/05/2008 13:04:32
Its not just Scotland which is losing out, its Wales, Cornwall and other areas of England that are having their money diverted. Under EU rules the tendering process goes out to everyone so you will probably find that in the next year there wont be any british firms involved as the eastern europeans have submitted lower bids. As for the current "scottish" companies that are involved at what cost have they had to bid. Will the english local authories be as forth coming with finances for the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - its a no brainer!
60

HughB,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:19:25
Everybody in Britain should get free entry to all 2012 Olympic events, because we are already paying a fortune into it anyway.
61

ochone,

Sauchie , Clack's 01/05/2008 13:34:08
richardino17, very well put.

Did Lord Coe or the Scotsman for that matter make any mention of the report, not from any Nat but from a house of commons committee just last week which outlined all the faults connected with the costing of the London Games.

BTW, there is no guarantee that Scotland will get all that good causes money back!
62

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 01/05/2008 13:36:09
Forgot to add that although they thought to take all that money, the powers that be still can't tell us what Scotland will actually get for it, saying some football matches isin't good enough.

BTW, I know, I e mailed and asked them.
63

An Honest Wifie,

01/05/2008 14:22:15
These sorts of debates really annoy me - they bring out the worst and most insular characteristics of us Scots.
64

An Honest Wifie,

01/05/2008 14:24:09
#72 That question is on par with people from Aberdeen asking what they will get from Glasgow's Commonwelath games . . . parochialism at its worst.

65

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife 01/05/2008 14:25:50
The money could be put to better (local) use, instead os supporting a huge drugsfest organised to feed the ego (and wallet) of Lord Coe.
66

portonian,

FALKIRK 01/05/2008 15:23:52


COE IS NOT ABLE TO FRONT SUCH A PROJECT ON GROUNDS OF LACK OF EXPERIENCE AND ABILITY AND SOUTHERN ENGLAND HAS A FRIGHTNING HISTORY ON BUILDING MAJOR WORKS TO A BUDGET EG MILLENIUM DOME ...WEMBLEY STADIUM .. UNDERGROUND EXTENSION
THIS GOVERNMENT WILL OPT OUT BEFORE THE FINAL BILL IS PAID LEAVING ONLY DEBTS AND EXCUSES AS AN INHERITANCE
ACT NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE SAVE US FROM SLIPPERY KEN AND SPORTS STARS WITHOUT ABILITY OTHER THAN AT THEIR OWN SPORT

67

danielrober,

01/05/2008 15:31:56
I drove past sme of the sites at the weekend. Lots of things have happened in the past few months. The wooden walls have grown, blocking the public from seeing any work happening (or not).

Its a great method, with builders all over London putting up walls around their sites. As a consequnce streets have become darker, lights are been blocked and the place looks terrible.

Got to love that old trick. Just before the end of construction you have grafetie spread all over the walls, horrid stuff. Then you pull it down showing the world your wondefull new building. Ahhh the old tricks are still the best tricks. LOVE IT.
68

A Voice From Scotland,

01/05/2008 16:09:17
#60. He cannae Steve Ovett is up there.
69

Brian M,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 17:00:57
I think that the Olympics and the Commonwealth games are well past their sell-by date, given that most sports now have their own world championships, some annually, with no need for countries to hawk themselves into debt to host them
70

Andrew Allan,

01/05/2008 17:04:27
If I remember right, usually when Scots are called Scots when the authorities and the media equate us with the olympics it is when we are losing out. If indeed we were really going to benefit, like when a Scot wins in the olympics, the authorities and the media would be calling us british. ;-)
71

Truely English,

01/05/2008 20:34:38
Is it not time there was one British Football team. Is it not the height of stupidity and the costs to have more than one National team for Britain. We are one country, one culture, one language, think the same way eat the same foods, watch the same programmes on television, laugh at the same jokes and watch the same kinds of sport so why shouldn't there be just one team.
72

cataibh,

Bo'ness 01/05/2008 21:34:59
88# Typical English, Britain is one country ENGLAND.
73

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 01/05/2008 22:49:17
I just want to congratulate Rangers on getting to the UEFA Cup final. Their hard work and determination succeeded where more glamorous sides have failed. They have had lucky breaks but you don't get to a final on luck alone. Despite Ferguson losing the first penalty shoot out it did not dampen cause his teammates to falter in their task.

Only by Scotland having our own footballing identity in the world are we able to have Scottish teams playing in the major European competition and bringing glory to our country. In the past not only Rangers but also Celtic, Aberdeen etc have achieved success at the highest level of club football. This would not happen if the United Kingdom were recognised by FIFA and UEFA as the sole football entity on this island.

Let us all wish Rangers success in the final.
74

Paula,

01/05/2008 22:54:12
The powers-that-be whine on about Scotland and the Barnett formula. Yet London is a complete money pit. As the past few weeks have shown, Scotland pays its share, more than its share and with financiers on a shoogly-peg London is the guilty party.

The Olympics was never going to come under budget, remember the Dome thing? Labour are never very good at math.
75

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 01/05/2008 23:34:30
Coe, go home and stop matronising us.
76

mesmiths,

fife 23/08/2008 16:58:59
#1 'Asking the SNP to raise above something?...blah blah blah.'

The English certainly fail to 'rise above' moaning about a subsidy to Scotland that doesn't even exist.

 

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