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Published Date: 11 March 2009
GREAT Britain will field a football team at the 2012 London Olympics even if the squad only includes English players, the government said yesterday.
The pledge was made by Gerry Sutcliffe, the sports minister, who dismissed MPs' arguments that the idea of a Team GB had little support outside England.

Craig Brown, the former Scotland manager, travelled to London yesterday to support the debate
raised by Pete Wishart of the SNP.

He said he feared Fifa would use an amalgamated Olympic soccer squad to wipe out Scotland's stand-alone football team. "For me, it's not a political issue, it's a football issue. No-one I know in Scotland supports this," Mr Brown said, adding, that Fifa could use a UK side as an "opportunity to join the four nations in future competitions".

In a Westminster debate, Mr Wishart, MP for Perth and North Perthshire, argued that the four home nations should be allowed compete as individual teams.

"We should do absolutely nothing that would ever threaten our independent football status," Mr Wishart said.

"We should never give a hint of a precedent that might be able to be used against us in the future, we should give no reason, no excuse to those who would question our independent footballing status, no succour to those who would seek to end the very generous arrangements we have in the UK."

Rob Shorthouse, spokesman for the Scottish Football Association, said the football teams of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland were all unified in their opposition to Team GB.

"Any politician who continues to push the agenda of a such a damaging venture should do so in the knowledge that they are going against the wishes of the majority of the football family in the UK," he said.

"Quite how the minister responsible for sport can say that he is prepared to back the minority view over the express wishes of the majority is quite beyond us."

Mr Sutcliffe had argued that there should be a team that has the widest reputation from the UK after Gordon Brown raised the issue of an amalgamated team for the 2012 Games.

Fifa had given written assurances that a UK side in 2012 would not affect the national teams, Mr Sutcliffe said.

However, he said "there has always been and will continue to be a threat to that individuality because of the way Fifa is evolving", irrespective of the 2012 issue.

Speaking in a debate at parliament's Westminster Hall he said: "What a farce it would be to have those qualification games in Wales and Scotland without the possibility of British participation."

Asked if a purely English team would play if the other home nations boycotted the event, Mr Sutcliffe said: "That is correct and that is the sad fact of what is going to happen unless we can try and resolve this issue."

Lord Coe, chairman of the London Organising Committee, said: "My views on this are well known. I've always been very clear: I hope we can reach a resolution where we get the best players representing all parts of Great Britain in the team."



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eamon,

11/03/2009 00:07:32
Let an independent england field an independent team and an independent Scotland do the same. Its simple.
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11/03/2009 00:12:31
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Edward,

11/03/2009 00:15:53
Just more imperialist bullying from Westminster and that idiot Coe!
If Labour and Coe want to do it this way so be it, Team GB will not get my support and I suspect no support from others. I prefer seeing a Scottish Olympic squad any time!
And before any unionist nutter says thats notpossible, consider Bermuda, a crown colony, which is very much under British control, that does not have defence or foreign policy as this is the responsabilty of London, but they can and do have an Olympic team!
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11/03/2009 00:19:04
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 00:20:19
Their arrogance is breathtaking,but not surprising.
The sooner we get out of this wretched union,currently run by these snouts in the trough War Criminals the better.
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Edward,

11/03/2009 00:22:49
This just reinforces what was exposed in the recent documentary Diomhair (Secrets) whish showed uo the arrogance of successive governments in dealing with Scotland
Now on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBZ4UqEqUo&feature=channel_page
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Mercian,

UK 11/03/2009 00:27:08
If we assume it's Team GB like it always has been at the Olympics, the only choice seems to be between no football side or one represented by the willing; and if the willing are all English, then so be it...
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 11/03/2009 00:29:16
The real TRUE colours of the liebor party are coming to the fore now. They would be happy to have SCOTLAND wiped off the map so that they can DICTATE anything they like without any opposition what so-ever, including our FAR SUPERIOR INTERNATIONAL SPORTS TEAMS. Democracy british style, WE MUST GET RID OF THE british ASAP or we will be doomed to hell!!!!!!!!!
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The west awake,

Argyll 11/03/2009 00:30:22
We might not have our own team to support, but we will always have WHO's PLAYING GB.
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11/03/2009 00:30:25
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 00:30:31
there are FOUR football associations; three say no having spoken to sepp blatter who expressed grave concerns.
then the pollies push their personal agenda, ignoring the will of the majority in wales, northern ireland and scotland. nothing new there then!
a team for each could have been done, as in 1908, but that would push the line that scotland is its own country and we cannot have that can we?!!!!
watch for "offers" to get a scot and a welshman and a northern irishman into the team to give it credibility. quota system with 8 english, maybe even 11 with the others on the bench. as they are under 23 they would never get a game for their country again, so would have to be a player who would not be up to full cap standard.
i will be cheering for whoever they play; this is a political team, not a team based on sport and as such i have no reason to support it in any way. i normally cheer for england a wee bit, up to the semi finals anyway, although i just cannot stand how the pundits go on when they win and then go on about them being the best when they patently were not on most occasions recently.
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 00:31:25
who says politics and sport do not mix. it is the olympic way, at least in london.
13

Truely English,

11/03/2009 00:32:11
We are all British, sharing the same language and culture of which we are all deeply proud.
Surely, it is time we put such petty squabbling behind us, as it would be far too expensive to have more than one team at these Olympic Games.

Think of the terrible expense of having a Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, as well as an English team represented.
One united team s what is needed.
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11/03/2009 00:39:32
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 11/03/2009 00:40:56
Actually the sports minister will say he has the majority opinion on his side, and he is right.

I know this should be a football matter and not political.

But England alone is larger(by population) than Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland combined. Way larger.

Thats why I support an independent Scotland, because although the union is democratic and fair, it is still the case that England always decides who the next government is, regardless of how the other 2 nations and a province vote.

So even when the three football associoations combine, they are still the minority, because the largest nation in the union is for the GB team, and it outnumbers the other three by a long shot.
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Edward,

11/03/2009 00:45:10
#15 Truely English
Fortunately we prefer to see ourselves as Scottish!
We may share a languague of sorts, we certainly dont share a culture.As for History, perhaps you should view the recent documentary which covers the last 50 years,called Diomhair (Secrets) in which its revealed how Scotland has been arrogantly treated by successive governments.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBZ4UqEqUo&feature=channel_page)
We are now drawing to a time to put an end to the union of the two kingdoms. Frankly we want our own Olympic squad.Were fed up with Coe, were fed up with Brown and were fed up being dictated to by an arrogant government
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Sanny,

11/03/2009 00:46:51
Why not acknowledge that GB or Britain really means England. So let’s have a GB AKA England Olympics and let England ONLY pay for them. I’d be more than happy to see Scotland (and Ireland and Wales) publicly withdraw from these Games. England can then bankrupt itself in producing a Games disaster.

It is possible that such action might just get it into the heads of those arrogant Whitehall Servants (Civil they are not) and their Political puppets called MP’s; that we Non-English Taxpayers of the UK have had enough. No more are we their doormat. We are about to stand up and wreck their Gravy Train.
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11/03/2009 00:54:54
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 00:58:06
#15 Truely English, - "We are all British, sharing the same language and culture of which we are all deeply proud.

I'm not deeply proud,I'm deeply ashamed.
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Sanny,

11/03/2009 01:04:44
15 Truely English,11/03/2009 00:32:11
You may well be “Truly English” but keep your arrogance for those of similar ilk. I was born a Scot and I will die a Scot and the bit in between, will not in anyway embrace England or indeed any other country.

I do not dislike England I just don’t want to be associated with them.

As for “Great British” that is an enforced title arising from a despicable period in the history of these Islands.

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FerryPort,

11/03/2009 01:05:17
I just cannae believe this bunch. Stealing OUR lotto cash for the games and then expecting us to sit on the bench?

Brown has gone bewilderingly native if he thinks we'd swallow this.

#15.. this is not about money man! nor is it petty and we certainly do not share the same culture
22

!Ya basta!,

11/03/2009 01:13:26
I agree with Truely English. The teams for all sports in the Olympics are GB not each of the home nations, why should football be any different?

Showing that we can work and play together is a good and necessary thing. We do it in the current economic crisis and we do it in war (we die with our neighbours in Iraq and Afghanistan). Is football different? Or was Shankly right?

I support independence for Scotland and I don't think having a GB Football team in the London Olympics is incompatible with that. This is a real chance for the SNP to take the moral high ground by saying "Yes, we want independence and we will decide that ourselves. But until we have independence we will honour the curren tradition and in the olympian spirit we will play side by side with our neighbours in 2012"

We are bigger than this aren't we? If Scotland, Wales and NI boycott this we will all look stupid and petty. And hell, a GB team might even win something!

PS I just don't believe that fielding a GB Olympic team will threaten the status of the 4 home nations with FIFA, that's a red herring.

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FerryPort,

11/03/2009 01:14:58
..and can you honestly visualise a crowd of Scottish football fans shouting "Come on Great Britain"? Just ask any member of the Tartan Army!
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Brian Hill,

11/03/2009 01:19:13
The English have treated us with contempt for hundreds of years so why should we be surprised at this latest piece of English/Brit Nat arrogance?

It's another reminder to the Scots why they should vote for Independence. I'm all for an all English British Football team. The English want Britain, let them have it, good riddance, we'll go our own way.

And here's an even stronger reason for voting for Independence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBZ4UqEqUo&feature=channel_page (the last 20 mins in particular)

Thanks for the reference Edward #6
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Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 11/03/2009 01:30:19
Why should I be surprised at any of this? I was told in France last summer by a young English lad that "England is an island".
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Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 11/03/2009 01:36:32
Just another question. Why is the olympic team from this country called Great Britain and yet fly the flag of the United Kingdom?
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FerryPort,

11/03/2009 01:37:45
sutcliffes' a proper laugh eh? a real throw back from the show must go on era. Going ahead with the qualifications is unbelievable. He thinks it may be possible to resolve this. How? "this" being at the very heart of our national identity.

No, we don't want to be in your team and if the tables were turned, you wouldn't want to be in ours either. Lets keep somethings sacred.
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11/03/2009 01:55:50
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11/03/2009 01:56:09
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11/03/2009 01:59:36
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FerryPort,

11/03/2009 02:15:23
hey, coe's a right laugh!
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Castaway™ ,

11/03/2009 02:30:17
#26 !Ya basta!,- PS I just don't believe that fielding a GB Olympic team will threaten the status of the 4 home nations with FIFA, that's a red herring.
Now do I believe you or these football knowledgeable people ?
1.George Peat, SFA president said he was privately advised by Fifa president Sepp Blatter that the involvement in the London Olympics would jeopardise Scotland's separate status. BBC 3 Mar 2009
2.Jack Warner, head of the Trinidad and Tobago FA and a current Fifa vice-president, is among those opposed to the unique position of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland in fielding national teams despite not being independent countries.Yesterday Warner was quoted as saying: "I remain open on this matter". But David Will and many other seasoned observers of Fifa's internal politics have no doubt Warner could use a unified GB team at the Olympics to re-ignite a campaign which would place Scotland's independent footballing status at risk.18th Dec 2008
3.David Will Scotland's former Fifa vice-president who has been on the Fifa executive committee for almost two decades has also warned against taking part. 16 Dec 2008
4.Michel Platini, Uefa president has said he understands the three home nations' opposition. 16 Dec 2008
5..David Taylor , UEFA big gun last night warned the SFA not to trust FIFA's claims that our national side would be safe if a British team competed at the 2012 Olympics.Nov 13 2008
6. Craig Brown former Scottish football manager, "I don’t trust Fifa". He fears FIFA will ultimately use any such team to force the four home nations to enter just one side in ALL competitions. 12 Dec 2008
7.Sepp Blatter Blatter Fifa president now says said the independent status of the four British associations could be harmed by a unified GB team. 09 Mar 208
The president of FIFA, Sepp Blatter has on more than one occasion said that if the UK fields a team at the Olympics, then football associations across the world will ask why there cannot be a singl
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DunCraig,

Brisbane 11/03/2009 02:32:55
So, let the olympic committee field a team of english players! We can sit back and laugh when they get humped by Upper Dubrovia and other fitba minnows, a bit like the english team, at the moment!
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Castaway™ ,

11/03/2009 02:33:54
#38 Contd
The president of FIFA, Sepp Blatter has on more than one occasion said that if the UK fields a team at the Olympics, then football associations across the world will ask why there cannot be a single team for the UK at all competitions.August 26, 2008
P.S. Ten years ago, there was a formal Caribbean motion to end Wales’ existence as a World Cup team by forcing them to play under one Great Britain banner.The move only received three votes at a Fifa congress, but Wales have always feared since it would raise its head again one day. Jul 26 2008
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 11/03/2009 02:43:03
This Sutcliffe W@nker is unlikely to be in power anyway, so it will probably change before the Olympics. Anyone see the Dispatches programme on 4 a few nights ago about the money wasted by the Government? Highlighted was the fact that PFI will cost 280 Billion quid when it comes on balance sheet in a few weeks.
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note of grace,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 03:16:39
So where has Truely English gone ?????

From whence he came perhaps? with ruddy cheeks I hope!

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!Ya basta!,

11/03/2009 04:52:43
#30 Scottish Unionist/#38 Castaway - the simple solution is to get FIFA to state their official position in response to a written request from the SFA. When push comes to shove they won't demand a GB Team. It's all bluff and self interest.

The hostility of some posters above is embarrassing. This is not about England wanting to dominate us, it is about us coming together once in a while, like we do in all other Olympic sports e.g. cycling etc. And that is a good thing. We don't lose our identity in the process.

As I said before, how can we fight and die together and not play in the same team once every 4 years? It is really pathetic.
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mangrove jack,

queensland 11/03/2009 05:12:37
Where did you lot go to school? The island comprises Scotland, Wales and Britain along with an appendage called Northern Ireland.

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big is the new small,

11/03/2009 05:36:00
join the campaign here:

www.NoTeamGB.com

the main international fans groups from each of the four nations are united in their opposition to this folly.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/03/2009 05:42:38
The word "British" has always been used as political code for English.

So this decision to field an all English Team and call it "British" should come as no surprise to the other nations that share the UK with England.

It is just another affirmation that the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish are not "British".
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Thrawn,

UK 11/03/2009 06:01:48
This isn't really news. This outcome was inevitable.

Can one really think that the mainly English organisers of the 2012 Olympics wouldn't want a team, under the name of GB, to participate in one of the more popular events? And the more English players, the better, as the games will be held in England before mainly English crowds.

The point is: will FIFA take this as proof that a GB team can be formed and use it as a precedent to scrap the right of the individual UK associations to field their own teams?

Perfidious Albion.
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donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 11/03/2009 06:34:11
England means Britain and Britain meas Englans, according to English academics and journalists.

Will Murphy and McAveety be wearing English jersies?
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Angleland Isover,

11/03/2009 06:59:45
Don't let them field an england team, If they win they will be english but if they lose as usual they will be brittish.
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Ealonder,

Eilean Siar 11/03/2009 07:02:08
Until I moved to Scotland I'd always liked the Scots , worked with many , got on well.
Since being exposed to the media up here I am staggered by the endless winging and moaning about Westminster and the English. I never realised what a nation of selfish petty narrow minded people they are. And I have never seen one of you say NO to a handout from the English either , with some of the highest unemployment and more people on Incapacity Benefit than the rest of the UK put together , would you like Westminster to stop paying that? Or all the grants you get for "Community Projects" Fishing,Crofting and housing , shall we keep those too? WIthin 100 yards of my house there are two grant funded projects falling to bits , take the money then neglect the cause eh?
As for football and the Olympics , Football doesn't even belong at the games , so who cares who plays it.
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Ealonder,

west 11/03/2009 07:07:46
Oh and another thing , Scotland will host the Commonwealth games in 2014 , or are you going to reject that because you don't want to seen as part of Britain?
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eric,

11/03/2009 07:10:56
English kids will have a team to wave thier flag at no matter if its britain/England,our kids will be left with nothing,And if we ever get a vote on independence i would tick it to get my country back.Westminster created unemployment ,blackpool ENGLAND has highest number of single mothers on benefits in UK!
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Angleland Isover,

11/03/2009 07:15:19
#51 englander.
Didn't you know that the money to build englands M25 and the channel tunnel was stolen from Scotland.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 07:24:17
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You should check your facts as should the producers of the "Diomhair" documentary you are quoting. The Channel Tunnel was built and financed by a private company - Eurotunnel which then became Transmanche.

Construction of the M25 started in 1973 - well before oil revenues started appearing to any significant extent.
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fiferjohn,

benbecula 11/03/2009 07:32:45
#Ealonder,Eilean Siar
2 points
1 it has been proven with offical top secrect papers scotland is a rich counrty and that fact has to be hidden from the people of scotland so westminster support scotland but keep us in poverty and that is what we go on about.
1 point
the scottish football team is a strong form of idenity thats shows the we are different and brings the people of scotland together.
fifa will get rid of the 4 football Associations if they can and if that happens it is not just another scottish idenity that goes but a lot of much needed income for the counrty will disappear .
so please take some time to do a bit of research before you start to run things down and check some history out when your at it as the area you now live in is one that had mass genocide done to it because it had the nerve to stand up against the german king.
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greenhill,

11/03/2009 07:36:19
RE Ealonder,west 11/03/2009 07:07:46 .

The Commonwealth Games is very much a post colonial endorsement of the British Empire.The SNP fully supports the Commonwealth games and the Monarchy which they would retain in an independant Scotland.

The end of Scottish International football would be a good thing because that would also mean the end of the buffoonish "Tartan Army"
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eric,

11/03/2009 07:37:55
iT WOULDNT JUST STOP AT FOOTBALL.rugby ETC ETC ETC.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 07:40:14
this is gordon browns way of trying to get rid of all things scottish and symbols that make us different and define who we are.
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Dave Scott,

Broughty Ferry 11/03/2009 07:47:52
Either

(a) 4 Home Nations Tourney - winner represents Team GB

or

(b) Wales to represent GB since the Welsh are the original British/Britons/Brythons ... the rest of us are just imports.

(PS Picts were Brythonic Celts not Goidelic/Gaels)
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Ealonder,

11/03/2009 07:59:04
#fiferjohn,
benbecula.

Oh and exactly whose RAF and Army built Balivanich? As for history , you would think people who care about their history would do something to protect it . How many buildings can you name over 100 years old on Benbecula? And how many Blackhouses can you still see? Or Whitehouses come to think of it........
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john z,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 07:59:14
Every politician worth their salt in Scotland knows how important football is to a large percentage of the Scottish population, so you would assume that any smart Scottish politician would want to be involved in the debate in London yesterday.

Let me ask you, how many Scottish Labour MP's attended the debate???

None. Not one single Scottish Labour MP bothered to attend the debate. Scottish Labour needs to wake up.


Now, to clarify things, in some previous olympics (1908)?), the respective football countries Scotland Wales, England and N.Ireland played separately under their OWN country names in the competition. So THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR A TEAM GB FOOTBALL SQUAD, the separate countries can play under their own flag - as has been done in the olympics before.

That is, unless you are gordon Brown, and you are obsessed with a 'britishness' project, which you would personally indulge, even if it threatens the very future existence of your own Scottish football team.

Wise up Labour, Scotland won't play as team GB, and if you field a team GB with only England players, it will show to the whole world how meaningless the union really is. Utter clowns!!!

If you want to know what the english government really thinks of Scotland, see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBZ4UqEqUo&feature=channel_page"

And as for Lord Sebastian Coe, f*** 'im.
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Roy,

11/03/2009 08:04:06
All good stuff for the 2011 Scottish election.
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Ealonder,

11/03/2009 08:08:02
"it has been proven with offical top secrect papers scotland is a rich counrty and that fact has to be hidden from the people of scotland so westminster support scotland but keep us in poverty and that is what we go on about."

So why do you need Westminster? If Scotland is so rich why can't it stand on it's own/ Are you suggesting thet Scotland's politicians are hiding their countrys own wealth in order to supress their own people? If so who is the bad guy here , Westminster or Holyrood?
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 08:10:17
#62 not many scots kids know the history of their country(scotland) as scottish history is not taught in schools .it is more english history and we need to change that to make scotland a better place.
remember the langauge and music was outlawed at one stage and slowly the people are reclaiming it .
the union is a contract which hopefuly the people of scotland will see is no longer working for them and cancel it.
where are the RAF and army now if this is suppose to be a good thing for us .
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john z,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:10:26
Number 55

the Channel Tunnel may have been built by a private company, but it was HEAVILY subsidised by the UK taxpayer. It was still being subsidised years after it opened.

Nice try with the 'smoke and mirrors' aproach.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:11:32
Traquir , Alba.
Is it something that we are doing wrong as we cannot access the tinyurl.com/b4bo2e pages ?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:13:08
Any Olympic matches scheduled for Hampden should be boycotted in protest over this issue.

If the Labourtories can only muster 500 cringers to attend their annual conference, they will be lucky to get 50 to turn up for a midweek game between Outer Mongolia and The Cook Islands.

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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 08:14:22
#65
yes the unionist politicians are doing just than then information is out there on the net if you want to find it start with the big lie .
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eric,

11/03/2009 08:16:12
65, If every scot voted for independence ,your english mps have said they still wouldnt respect that vote and fight tooth and nail to keep Scotland in the union!THE English must ask themselfves why westminster holds this view!
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john z,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:18:22
Number 64

I agree. If this nonsense goes ahead with a team GB, we can safely predict the SNP will be elected as a MAJORITY government, with London Labour trailing in last place somewhere behind the tories.

This whole team GB nonsense being forced on Scotland is proof if ever you needed it, why we Scots need to get rid of this wasteful undemocratic 'union'. Time to say, ENOUGH!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:35:11
Does anyone know what the Tories are saying on the subject of a GB football team?

There will almost certainly be a Tory Government in Westminster by the time the games are held in 2012 therefore the views of Brown and Murphy will be irrelevant.
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Calum Crubag,

11/03/2009 08:35:25
Good news. The arrogant Brit nationalism of Brown and the Tories - Seb Coe is a good Tory - will hasten the demise of the 'UK'.

England's cricket team is often referred to as 'us' on 'British' news. Same with many topics of no relevance to Scotland - even the Act of Union recognises our separate legal system, education and churches. Has anyone told the English this?
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 08:35:42
how did labour mp's in scotland vote on the matter, and the libs and the tory. we know the snp position. this will show us if sunservience and a risk to our future is the same in sport as it is on economic matters.
this allows brown to fly a union jack and cheer on a team of english players, hopefully to produce moments to rival his favourite soccer moment, when gascoigne scored against scotland.
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Angleland Isover,

11/03/2009 08:36:19
#65 englander
Without Scotland england would be bankrupt.
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Calum Crubag,

11/03/2009 08:37:16
#66- fortunately Gaelic is on the rise. More kids in Gaelic medium and more official use. Despite a minority of bigots.

Suas leis a' Ghaidhlig.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:38:08
67 john z

"the Channel Tunnel may have been built by a private company, but it was HEAVILY subsidised by the UK taxpayer. It was still being subsidised years after it opened."

Is that the case? If so can you explain this situation. In 2004 Eurotunnel asked for govt aid and was greeted with this response:

"The Government has made it clear it will not put any public money into Eurotunnel. Indeed, it is prohibited by international treaty and legislation."
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 08:39:39
my gues sis that labour will do what brown says, so they wil either abstain ir vote for a british team. this needs to be exposed in the election details in 2011, we kbow how important football is to scotsmen!
does brown think we will support britain if an anglo scot is cajoled financially to play for the team? as coe happily says about scots in general; f#ck them!
if this pretendy team play holland at hampden i want to see 60,000 scotsmen there with orange flags!
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:40:31
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"Without Scotland england would be bankrupt."

On what current evidence do you base that assertion.
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 08:42:24
only 11 spots plus 4 subs so 2 scots, 1 welsh, 1 northern irish and 11 englishmen is what coe will want, with at least 8 english on the pitch at any one time. token players to make up racial quota, as possibly no scots, welsh or northern irish would even be good enough for the team! positive racial discrimination, ha hahah!
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Linda,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 08:50:42
redcliffe62,
# 75,

Not one Scottish Labour MP attended this debate.

That's the importance they place on an independent Scottish football team
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

11/03/2009 08:52:19
There's been much talk about setting precedents over this: England declaring independence from Scotland, Wales and N Ireland?
Well there's a precedent for you!
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 08:52:59
#32 macuistean

"Just another question. Why is the olympic team from this country called Great Britain and yet fly the flag of the United Kingdom?"

It's ignorance and someone somewhere mixing up the geographical (GB) with the political (UK).

The British Isles comprises and archipelago of which the biggest bit (mainland Scotland, England & Wales) is known as "Great Britain". I don't know how Skye and Ynys Mon are placed now that they are hard-linked to GB, but effectively, calling it "Team GB" disenfranchises anyone from NI (think of Mary Peters at Munich in 72!) or anyone from any of the smaller islands of the archipelago.

The UK is the political entity, governed by Westminster with devolution of certain powers to NI, Scotland and Wales (alphabetically listed so that no paranoid can accuse me of being anti-anything) and given the population from which Olympians may be selected, would be the correct term for the aggregate of participants.

So, someone somewhere is confused.

On the debate about the Olympic fitba team in 2012 - if it doesn't involve the Dons or Keith, I don't really care. After 30 years of faithfully attending Scotland home games I can't raise any enthusiasm for international fitba. They can all go to hell in a handcart as far as I'm concerned.
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Marian,

11/03/2009 08:53:11
This may come as a bit of a shock to many, but there is no such party as the Scottish Labour Party! However there is a so-called UK “New” Labour Party, headquartered in London with an outlook to match. and the leader of that party for the time being happens to be a control freak called Gordon Brown. Scots should note that It is not only Scotland which needs independence, it is the parties of the so-called "Scottish" political system which owe their allegiance to and take their orders from a patronising and contemptuous London based unionist political elite which continues to act as though “The British Empire” is a still force to be reckoned with in the world, and to which t
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Marian,

11/03/2009 08:53:43
This may come as a bit of a shock to many, but there is no such party as the Scottish Labour Party! However there is a so-called UK “New” Labour Party, headquartered in London with an outlook to match. and the leader of that party for the time being happens to be a control freak called Gordon Brown. Scots should note that It is not only Scotland which needs independence, it is the parties of the so-called "Scottish" political system which owe their allegiance to and take their orders from a patronising and contemptuous London based unionist political elite which continues to act as though “The British Empire” is a still force to be reckoned with in the world, and to which the interests of Scotland's people and its assets are wholly expendable.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 08:55:54
#81 Spot on!

Commentator (in Kenneth Wolstenholme-type tones):

"....and there goes there goes the plucky little North British winger haring down the line! Watching this British Olympic football team makes one proud to be English...they think it's all over...it will be soon for the SFA and the SNP (chortle, chortle)!

This whole idea is yet another transparently obvious ploy by 'Broon the Loon', the man with the most well concealed: "towering intellect" in history, to try to reinforce a corrupt and bankrupt union. It will, like his 'prudent' economic measures, fail.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 11/03/2009 08:58:19
The Olympics is a special occasion in which Britain competes; England does not, Scotland does not and Wales and Northern Ireland do not.

Name ANY Olympics in which there was:
A Scottish swimming team?
A Scottish Cycling team?
A Scottish Athletics team?

Correct - there are none because Scotland is not an independent State with representation at the Olympics.

The football grandees are playing 'dog in the manger'; which would they rather have - A british team open to the best players from anywhere in Britain - or an all-English team - which thye government does not want - but its what youa re going to get unless you get real.

Repeat - Scotland is NOT an independent state with representation in the Olympics.
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 08:58:35
#85 & 86 Marian

"there is no such party as the Scottish Labour Party"

You are correct.

There was one from 1975-1981 however. The only political party of which I was ever a member and on whose NEC I was proud to serve with the current Housing Minister Alex Neil.

Way ahead of its time too.
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It's me!,

11/03/2009 09:01:31
Scotland: A Labour free zone....
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 09:04:51
#88 "..Repeat - Scotland is NOT an independent state with representation in the Olympics..."

...and that's the point! An independent Scotland cold field its own Olympic team, which is many of us want and to which Broon and his fellow unionists are implacably opposed. This is all to do with polotics and the unelected Broon's failing government and nothing to do with sport.




"...ah yes, Mr Murphy and what subject did you gain your degree in?"
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 09:05:47
#85 -Tweedmouth "...Repeat - Scotland is NOT an independent state with representation in the Olympics..."

...and that's the point! An independent Scotland cold field its own Olympic team, which is many of us want and to which Broon and his fellow unionists are implacably opposed. This is all to do with polotics and the unelected Broon's failing government and nothing to do with sport.




"...ah yes, Mr Murphy and what subject did you gain your degree in?"
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John S,

11/03/2009 09:07:44
There is more to this than just fielding a UK Olympic football team so what could be at stake ?
IFAB: International Football Association Board - is made up of representatives from each of the United Kingdom's pioneering football associations - The FA, SFA, FAW and IFA - and FIFA.
Each UK association has one vote and FIFA has four. IFAB deliberations must be approved by at least six votes. Thus, FIFA's approval is necessary for any IFAB decision, but FIFA alone cannot change the Laws of the Game; they need to be agreed by at least two of the UK members.

FIFA:There are 208 members of FIFA with a President and 8 vice Presidents, one VP position is reserved for a representive from one of the UK football associations.
Fielding a UK olympic team:-The question will automatically come up that there are four different associations so how can they play in one team.
"If this is the case then why the hell do they have four associations and four votes and their own vice-presidency and the four associations help change the "Laws of the Game" by being 4 (unelected) out of the 8 members members of IFAB.

I think the SFA and the other 2 British football associations are doing the right thing otherwise it will be bye bye to our national football team because next will be one UK team in the World Cup and UEFA European Nations Cup. With a UK team how many of the home associations players would have the opportunity to play in these competitions ? very few compared with what we have now.
We would end up with one UK member of FIFA and who would that be ?
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 09:12:40
"unelected Broon"

As our democracy is party-based, neither have been any of his predecessors and until something changes in the UK constitution, neither will his successors be. As leader (elected unopposed as I recall) of the party with the largest number of sitting members and an overall majority in the Commons, it is his entitlement to be PM. You may not like that, or him, but those are the facts. Repeating a cliché ad nauseam doesn't make it a fact.

Incidentally, I don't remember voting for a First Minister in Scotland in 1999, 2003 0r 2007 either - I voted for candidates on one list and and parties on another. I also don't recall "SNP" being on the list ballot paper in 2007.....
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 09:15:53
#90 I didn't know that until I did my referee training in 1995 and have mused since on whether or not the UK is over-represented. Is this not inherently anti-democratic in that 4 small insignificant (despite what the English media say about their lot) players off the coast of NW Europe effectively gave a veto over the rules of the game?

#91 I'm a Scot but don't do the Lottery, therefore cannot complain.
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 09:18:34
Care to expand on that, #95?

I make two points, both reasonable.

Which do you have a problem with and why?

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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 09:21:30
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 09:25:10
Team GB should go ahead no matter what the SFA or the other national FA's say.

I'm sure if you asked someone like Darren Fletcher he would like to play in a team GB he would say yes.

The only people who would have a problem with it are the tranny army and the Scottish nationalists.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 09:27:09
#88

“The football grandees are playing 'dog in the manger'; which would they rather have - A british team open to the best players from anywhere in Britain - or an all-English team - which thye government does not want - but its what youa re going to get unless you get real.”


I will happily accept “none of the above”.

You appear to be wilfully or otherwise totally ignoring the issue here.

What is at stake here is nothing less than Scotland’s continued participation as a discrete entity in international football.

There seems to be little point in jeopardising our current international status by participating in a no account under-23 tournament in an already over-crowded fixture list.

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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 09:27:09
Another factor which seems to have been forgotten in this affair is that if all players in the Team GB side are English then what difference does that make to the issue at stake?

For the SFA's stance to be credible, the support of ALL 4 home FAs would be required.


There is also the issue of what would happen if a Scottish player decided he wanted to play for Team GB. What would the SFA do then?

Or, suppose it was an English side with a Scottish manager and a Welsh assistant - likewise, how could the SFA prevent this?
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John south of Soutra,

11/03/2009 09:27:49
GREAT Britain will field a football team at the 2012 London Olympics even if the squad only includes English players, the government said yesterday.
The pledge was made by Gerry Sutcliffe, the sports minister, who dismissed MPs' arguments that the idea of a Team GB had little support outside England
Is that not typical of the arrogance, whereby we don't care about what anybody else says if we want it we will have it and to tell with the other 3 countries taht make up the UK and their opinions
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Mike S,

11/03/2009 09:28:49
Why would team GB have included Northern Ireland as the term UK includes Northern Ireland not GB. Having a team England is par for the course as to most english commentators the terms english and british are synonymous.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/03/2009 09:30:30
Seems Broon has a death-wish as regards support in Scotland. As for the arrogant Lord Coe, a simple suggestion would be for everyone north of Watford Gap to cease buying Lottery tickets as the funds are blatantly being diverted into this enormous mausoleum to him and the Labour profligates. A boycott of the Games would send a message.

A Scottish Lottery, although having smaller prizes could at least have its beneficiaries quite clearly defined as being in Scotland and its terms of reference clear as regards who and what can benefit. Maybe a wee project for someone in Holyrood.

These huge amounts of money being spent currently do not reflect any kind of of post-Games value and the brief interlude where people spend money in London will produce little in terms of the overall spend.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 09:31:27
There is an excellent program on BBC2 tonight at 21-00.

Building the Olympic Dream.

Three-part observational documentary series charting the journey to the London 2012 Olympics.

Make sure yuou don't miss it.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 09:32:59
Whatever happens there will be a team GB at the Olympics even if it only has the support of the English FA. Players from Scotland, Wales and NI will be eligible to play for the team but may choose not to do so due to pressure from their respective FAs.

In all likelihood we will therefore end up with a team full of English players representing GB. But they will be representing GB NOT England and so FIFA will still have all the ammunition they need if in the future they want to pursue the supposed agenda of abolishing the seperate associations.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 09:33:05
This is simply put up there to annoy you.

However, logically and subjectively, the UK should only have one football team playing in the Euro and World cup competitions.

Tell me honestly and reasonably why that shouldnt be the case.
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Scars,

agog in the land of nod ! 11/03/2009 09:38:22
Ealonder :

I think your comments are a little misplaced and trite. Some of your observations since migrating are indeed apparent, but you observe symptoms, not the problems, route source or indeed the inflicted "endemic" issues.

Perhaps before mouthing off about how generous the "UK" government has been in splashing the cash, you should maybe research some of the back ground to this seemingly insipid resentment you witness.

Yes, our country has some problems, there are some lazy ass people and benefit junkies that need a rocket up their ass and a good sharp shock, but this is true elsewhere in these septic isles and in most, if not all instances, its social deprivation that is the route cause. Its about the imbalance in social, economic and structured fabrication of a nation.

The "Union" is, and has always been, a union of convenience, its certainly not about seeing a homogenous group of disparate cultures become more than the sum of their parts, although some parts of the UK have certainly reaped more from this union than others.

The UK is a bastion of yore, its halcyon days long since gone and the empirical mindset a burden on modern man, yet it still prevails in the pursuit of vanity in these "United Kingdoms", its still there trying to assert its delusion on a world stage.

This is as true for most of the demography south of the border as it is north. The UK is a heavily unbalanced "democracy" with the wealth and power all focussed in a rather small south easterly corner of the land. "let them eat cake" is as true in this context as it was in its last incarnation and, well, you know how that turned out!

Yes, there is problems in our land, yes, most of what is written on here about GB football team is petty nonsense and pointless in the grand scheme of things, but maybe, just maybe, you may take the time to see the bigger picture, the picture of division and derision; the picture of angst and apathy, a picture of a ship without a rudder o
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 09:39:05
I think 25 has hit the nail on the head. It basically says the same thing in the article.

The "batserd" english are not out to do the dirty here. It seems that the welsh , scots and NI do not want to comply out of narrow interests so therefore the team will have to be made up out of english only.

Jesus, its been 300 years, get over it.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 11/03/2009 09:39:53
People who support team GB for football have either no interest in football, know little of the way FIFA is run or are supporting this for political purposes. The exeption to all of these would be Jim Murphy as he states he does not play politics with this matter!!!! Aye right Jim.

Jack Warner vice president of FIFA, a man of dubious character, has stated on more than one occasion that we should not have 4 home teams and that he would do away with them. Good ole Step Blatter stated recently that he could not guarentee what would happen in the future if a team GB were fielded in the Olympics.

There can be no boubt that if a team GB were fielded then there would be no home national teams in the very near future.

Gordon Brown, Jim Murphy et al are not the least bit interested in team GB they are only interested in, well, Gordon Brown and JIm Murphy.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 09:42:22
112 I think you can take it as written that FIFA have no plans to dissolve the 4 home "nation" teams.

Which is ultimately a pity as scotland as a "nation" has too much of a fixation on football , which we are ultimately not very good at.
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John S,

11/03/2009 09:43:02
Why doesn't the Olympic games committee adopt the precedent set for the London 1908 games when football became an official Olympic sport. Scotland was invited to take part in the 1908 games, along with Wales and Ireland. Special clauses in the games rules continued into 1912 to allow countries to submit four teams - specifically to allow Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England to all enter football teams.
The research also shows a team competing as "GB - Scotland" won bronze in the 1908 Olympic hockey tournament and Scotland came fourth in the cycling in 1912. :::http://www.snp.org/node/14684
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Yeah1,

11/03/2009 09:43:34
I'm confused. Why are all the nationalists on here so opposed to the prospect of Fifa using the possible GB Olympic team to force a GB team in all football tournaments?

I thought you were all supremely confident that the SNP will win the independence referendum in 2010, and go on to gain Scottish independence?

In that case it doesn't matter if there is a GB team, because Scotland will become an independent country anyway, and would have its own team. Or perhaps you aren't so sure that the majority of Scots will vote for independence...
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 09:51:53
nSyratzcGlaw,11/03/2009 09:42:22
“I think you can take it as written that FIFA have no plans to dissolve the 4 home "nation" teams”



I’m sure your reassurances will be a great a great comfort to David Wills, former FIFA vice president, Craig Brown, former Scotland International manager and Gordon Smith, current SFA chief executive.


They will no doubt bow down to your greater knowledge of and experience in these matters.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 09:54:34
114


Why shouldnt these places have a team ?

Wallonia
Flanders
Abkhazia
Transnistria
The Holy Roman Empire
Nagorno-Karabakh
Narnia
Crete
Duchy of Courland and Semigallia
Brunswick
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies


As far as I know none of these exist as separate nation states either , though most of them did more recently than scotland.







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Munguin,

11/03/2009 09:57:19
Isn't it great when a combination of Gordon Brown, the English and Scottish Quislings do the SNP's job for them? I would have thought that a huge majority of Labours remaining grassroots supporters in Scotland were football fans and here they are ramming this down their throats. How lovley. Add to that it's probably going to be all Englishmen on the team, and it's greatly to their credit although they themselves have said it! Add in also the "we are all winging Sottish spongers who should be graetful to the English" factor and the quisling Sottish clarion call of "we are better off in the Union". And independenc here we come!
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Yeah1,

11/03/2009 10:05:52
#119

"And independence here we come!"

If you are so sure Scotland will become independent why bother complaining about the possibility of a GB team?

Surely in that case it doesn't matter if there is a GB team or not, because Scotland will become an independent nation and will have its own team anyway, so why not let there be a GB team at the Olympics?
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 10:13:41
Never has there been so much winging and moaning about something so trivial.
Maybe all you Nats are just worried no Scots would be good enough to even get in the team?

#25 has it about right, why not join forces and play together for this one off event? Really, why not?! Or are you all displaying your true colours of being bigoted against the English? FIFA are not going to make us play as a Britain in the future and even if they did, surely that would be a dream scenario for the SNP as many Scots are shallowminded enough to vote for independence purely on the basis of getting their national team back - think about it, Salmond could be missing a trick here....

#113 also has an excellent point about football being so important to the Nation despite the fact we are invariably awful at it.
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Truescotty,

Ballachulish 11/03/2009 10:20:35
I think there are many Scots who would delight at seeing Team Gb playing football at the Olympics in 2012 and beyond an all this huffing about losing our place in world football is overstated. Perhaps we should also propose a football tournament for the Commonwealth games in Glasgow in addition to the Olympics and that would satisfy the 'little scots' who seem to want a saltire emblazoned on every aspect of our lives.
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salmondella,

11/03/2009 10:26:06
Come on Great Britain! --you are larger than the tiny chauvanistic minds of Craig Brown and the SNP. Is this the type of seperation that independence would bring?

If it is then I will gladly support a GB team with English players in it, just the same as the English have supported our GB curling team.

Nationalism has caused upteen wars - don't let it cause another another one on the football field.
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ZenBroon,

London 11/03/2009 10:35:23
At this moment the plastic macs that skulk around these forums might wish to remember Lord Coe’s outburst last September regarding his attempts to create a British National Football Team at the 2012 Olympics.

At that stage the BOA, which selects teams for the Games, had already decided to press ahead with a GB football squad despite the opposition.

When asked about the opposition from the Welsh and Scots, Coe replied bluntly: “F*** em!”

That's you he was talking about, friends.
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Mikey,

11/03/2009 10:41:50
Bye Salmondella! Off to England with you so you can go to the village pub and support jolly old England.

Clear off, there's a good chap!
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brownlie,

11/03/2009 11:02:14
125 Salmond

I don't think the Scottish Nationalist Party can take lectures from unionists or their supporters about causing wars.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 11:02:19
#127
Well that is exactly what I would say too. We are all welcome to join in and we can all come together or some of us can be smallminded and petty about the whole thing. Don't forget the English do not want to loose their England team either so the chances of FIFA forcing the issue of a future British team are minimal.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 11:04:20
when fifa tells the other 3 you no longer get to play in the world cup as its 1 gb team only,watch snp and salmond get the blame
even craig brown has warned its dangerous to go for a gb team
but no broons lacky says hell fill it with english players
talk about throwing oot the dummy,well the dummy should be thrown oot by 2012
hell no longer be pm or even by luck no longer an mp
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57vintage,

11/03/2009 11:05:26
#94 but both points have come up, ie the 4 home nations having the right of veto on the International Board and the fact that there is a view that someone is stealing Scottish money to fund something in London. These things develop through something called "conversation". Try it sometime.

#103 "Aye, turn belly up and accept the fact Scotland loses out.
If this theft affects Sotland then it affects Scots.
Simple."

My view is the converse of "No taxation without representation" and is as valid as the somewhat chip on the shoulder view of the destination of Lottery funding. I don't do the Lottery therefore I don't complain. It's my choice whether or not to take part as it is yours. Stop taking part or write a stiff letter to someone about it, but allow me my view.

Thanks now.

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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:10:39
Im just glad I left to join the real world and I dont have to worry about petty nationalism, the irony being that you arent even a nation.

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 11:11:14
I suppose if nothing else this issue has exposed the extent to which the unionist cringe runs deep within their supporters psyche.

Not only do they appear to appear to detest Scotland and all things identifiably Scottish but they are even prepared to come on here and welcome the potential demise of our international football team.

We have seen in the recent past their delight at denigrating Robert Burns, Annie Lennox, Sandi Thom, Sean Connery and Homecoming 2009.

They truly are sad and benighted individuals and probably think that Jonathan Ross is a cultural icon.

But it’s coming yet for a that, and a that,
That Scotland will yet be free, from a that!
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:13:08
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Like it or not, england and scotland are the same bloody nation.

Get this stupid idea out your head that scotland is a different place. It's been 300 years. Look at it the way the rest of the world looks at it. You would NOT have to merge with Ireland or France for reasons which I would have though are self evident.

You arent being bullied into anything. Are You mental ?

Do you understand what scotland is ? Its a region in the EU at best.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:14:58
136 Its because I am embarrased at some of my fellow "countrymen" living 300 years in the past , still going over ancieent score and displaying a parochial attitude and a refusal to live in the 21st century.

Now grow up.
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brownlie,

11/03/2009 11:17:56
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Who's being parochial? How many Scots do you think would be picked for the GB Morris Dancing Team?
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salmondella,

11/03/2009 11:18:03
#128 mikey - If the SNP Taliban get their way - we will all be over the border to enjoy a drink in an english pub.

#129 Brownlie - I agree with your sentiment and it is true I am a unionist:

I am a trade unionist

I am a unionist of all working people wherever they live, work and play.

I am a unionist in support of all people against wars of any kind especially to defend and extend the
' nation state'

I am a unionist in all peoples wishing to unite aginst capitalism and a union - not to seperate but to break down borders and not to build new ones -as, by reason or by default is the effect that SNP nationalism will bring to my country and what I am trying to fught against.
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brownlie,

11/03/2009 11:27:03
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You are a unionist who supports all working people who picks a provocative moniker for yourself - a splendid way to promote unity.

Are you a trade unionist who financially and politically supports a party which invades another country under a deceitful excuse and has caused thousands of your fellow trade union members to be out of work whilst enriching their big business chums?

How many of your union members will be getting massive bonuses and pensions this year?
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 11:30:23
you do not have to support the snp to support a scottish fotball team, but as they are supporting it and the british parties are not then the correlation is such that it comes across that at westminster at least, only the snp are supporting scotland's right to play soccer as a separate entity. another case of brown's enforced britishness.
we should consider wembley our home stadium and cheer on england. pathetic, not because we should support england over say germany, but because it is being cajoled through coercion.perhaps coe can explain his views on democracy, without using an "f" word.
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Hugo who,

The Asylum 11/03/2009 11:31:07
The Olympic teams have always been GB why should football be any different. There have been and will continue to be sporting disciplines within the Olympic games that produce GB teams where the team members are all from one of the home nations due to ability so why are so many Scots getting so upset over football.

All this fuss over what may or may not happen in the future is nonsense with the the George Peat was told " in private " and " David Taylor , UEFA big gun last night warned the SFA not to trust FIFA " so UEFA don't trust its senior body Fifa ?? If we all did nothing because something might happen in the future where would that approach get any of us.
To turn it into a political "the English are out to get us and Scotland is being downtrodden again and Scotland is rich enough to stand on its own as an Independent Nation " is farcical. It's a sporting matter not a political one.

If Scotland is so sure of itself and wants its own Independence so much why does it not follow the example of Ian Smith the Rhodesian PM in 1965 and declare UDI
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 11:31:24
hadline of story should say, scots labour mp's agree to risk scotland's football team in furtehr manic support for brown's britishness campaign.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 11:31:56
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1. Rubbish. The minimum price per unit is going to be around 40p. That would make the lowest price for your average pint about £1.20. That is cheaper than the vast majority of bars charge now, so you are talking mince.


2. You may be an international socialist (which is very sweet if a tad impractical) but don't claim that your views represent trade unionism, because they don't. Trade unions are for higher wages and better working conditions, and representing the interests of workers against employers. There is nothing in that whatsoever which precludes independence for Scotland.
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 11:32:37
hugo, the fact you feel sports and politics are not linked shows a dearth of wisdom on your part.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 11:34:23
#138
the union is a contract that if you read has been breached a few times by westminister (poll tax).
it was signed by a few men the counrty was not given a choice so it should be the same when getting out of the contract.
i wish i had the money as i would go to the eu courts and fight to have the contract terminated for breaches in it
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 11:36:26
#134
So what is your opinon on the British Lions Rugby Union team? Here we have a sport that is much loved at a 'Scottish' national level but also much loved when the home nations all play as one team. I think this debate says quite alot about the petty small mindedness of Football supporters more than anything else.

And yes, football is trivial.
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Gerry McGuigan,

Dundee 11/03/2009 11:37:14
So what? At the Rome Olympics in 1960, GB had a team. The BRITISH B C routnely referred to it as England. This was understandable since the GB team wore the ENGLAND strip. The more things change the more they remain the same.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 11:39:13
149 I agree completely that football is trivial, but anyone who lives and breathes and lives in Scotland knows that the vast vast vast majority of football fans do not want this, so it is utterly pathetic to try and impose it for purely political reasons.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:40:30
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Im going to stop soon but the UK is a nation.

Scotland isnt.

Thats it. That thing in the sky (at least here) is the sun. Its not the moon.

Seriously woman you need to get a grip. You may like to form your own alternative reality but its not the same one the rest of the world shares.

Scotland may become Independent again and If that happens, fine I'll deal with it.

But this Scot is quite happy with the status quo thankyou very much so dont tell me what all the scottish people want . The world is full of whole lots of lost causes I dont want to be a part of.

The only time scotland becomes animated ? football or bevvy. Its pathetic.


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Brian Hill,

11/03/2009 11:41:21
#85 Tweedmouth asks: "...which would they rather have - A british team open to the best players from anywhere in Britain - or an all-English team..."

I personally am solidly behind an ALL ENGLISH BRITISH team as the Scotch, Irish and Welch are not posh enough to put on a British.....it makes me bristle with pride just to say the word.....or am I sitting on that damn hairbrush again....

Britain for the English I say!! And as my Lord Coe would rightly say, the rest can *$*$#@*£ off!!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 11:42:00
153 Maybe the only time you get animated surrounds football or bevvy but most people on here get animated about politics. Are you perhaps in the wrong place ?
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 11:42:35
(Traquir , Alba) - If Scotland were to go independent how much are the Scottish government prepared to pay the Shetland oil fund to stop them from becoming independent themselves?

Will the Scottish government agree to pay at the same rate as being paid at this time or are they prepared to increase the rate?

If you were in the Shetlands why shouldn’t you wish to take the lot as the Scottish government wishes to by becoming independent?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 11:43:00
#140

I do not notice the citizens of the Republic of Ireland, or Latvia, or Estonia, or Norway rushing to join your club and begging to be part of a union prepared to engage in illegal wars and happy to install WMD on the soil of its satellite states.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 11:43:36
liz
big difference the irb is trying to get rid of the 4rugby unions into one fifa is .
if you can't understand what a national team means to people then i am sorry it is about belonging and people in scotland feel more for a scottish team than british.
the lions was form to embrace all 4 nations this gb football team is not.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:47:37
This isnt politics Observer, this is absurd. This is about the long standing issue of the need to feel hard done by, even if its make believe. Olypmic football teams, pound notes in england etc.

As i've said previously I'd be quite happy for the scottish "national" team to disappear , along with the english. Perhaps thats the kind of thing we need to finally put 300 years or Bickering (or Yawning) behind us.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 11:49:49
#159
Fifa are not trying to get rid of the four home nations. If there were any threat of that the English would be the first to withdraw from a 'British' team. After all they have the most to loose as they are the only one of the home nations to have ever won anything of any significance.



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grahaminengland,

11/03/2009 11:49:57
Can the Scottish and Welsh FAs stop its players being members of the GB soccer team?
Scotland and Wales are hardly good examples of successful national sides. Let's call it a truce.
By the way, do you know why the UK enters the Olympics as GB? It's because people in Ulster have the choice of competiting for either GB or Eire.
Anyway, the Olympics are an obscene amount of money which could be better spend eradicating world poverty.
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salmondella,

11/03/2009 11:50:41
# 141 Brownlie - good points my man. The weakness of your argument however, is defined in the subjectivity of posting about people you know very little about so you make wild guesses which do not bother me in the slightest as the posts in themselves are not that important in the realm of world affairs.

Karl Marx once said ( roughly) that it was not enough to interpretate the world, one must change it.

Without giving the game away as thre a many real headbangers on these sites, I spend a lot of my time trying to change things for the better, through legitimate political means of course.

I take your point about the word and will now change it to my original name SEDOV. Thanks Brownlie.

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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 11:51:35
Why are Scots crying foul when they are having nothing to do with a GB Olympic football team?

Are the Welsh crying foul too?

Are the Northern Irish crying foul?

Wouldn’t it be obvious to FIFA that no other country but England are having anything to do with the GB Olympic football team?

Isn’t this crying foul just baby spitting the dummy because baby thought it was getting its own way or is all of this crying foul have any other reasonable reason behind it that holds even an ounce of logic?
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Hugo who,

The Asylum 11/03/2009 11:53:43
redcliffe62, It's not I feel they are not linked it's I believe they should not be linked
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 11:53:49
160 No you're right it's not about politics. It's about football, and should probably be on the sports page. The desire to maintain a Scottish football team cuts across all party loyalties, which is why it's so bizarre that GB (in Downing St) wants a GB team. Perhaps he is a deep cover SNP agent, he is sure as hell acting like one.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:55:50
If you're serious about this independence thing you're really going to find something less tenous to harp on about.

The cause cant be very strong if you're worried about what FIFA *might* *possibly* *probably won't* do at *some point in the future* based on a *half baked story from the scotsman* that likes to put *whiny aren't we hard done by* *oh cruel is the snow* *scottish things* in its *news*
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:56:53
168

Ok , it's not a soveriegn state.

Now , cmon.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:57:20
Lets base our identity on the name of a rugy tournament ?
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 11:58:31
#161 Liz:

"they are the only one of the home nations to have ever won anything of any significance"

What was that then?

Remind me, please.

I've not seen a feature on it on TV since oooooh.... the last time England played.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 11:59:38
I thought this was all over.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 12:00:07
"That's what we call Scots cringe."

Yes, and you're giving me it right now Ms Braveheart.
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Dunfesterin,

11/03/2009 12:02:09
I couldn't bring myself to cheer on any "British" team. I just KNOW that the ITV, BBC commentators etc would harp on about the Premiership players and not give the others any kudos whatsoever, regardless of goal tally.

Do you really want to hear "bulldog spirit", "1966", "Geoff Hurst" while watching 10 Englishmen and 1 token jock player (subbed after 45 mins for Craig Bellamy) ? I know its not the world cup but you hear that cr*p at the Euros.... why would this be any different?
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 12:03:17
#168
'Watch Woman' I am still waiting for your opinion on the British Lions rugby union team as I asked you in #149.
Four nations become a single team and no one starts spitting the dummy could it be that Rugby supporters are slightly more grown up and secure than the football ones.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 12:08:17
liz
it is that fact the the irb embraces the different countries and promotes the fairness in equal status.
fifa feel the the having 4 football unions has having to much say and the fans know and what will happen to their international teams.
gordon brown should as a football fan know this but he has a vision and that is getting everything british and doing away with wales,n ireland and scotland.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 12:09:55
oh by the way am a rugby supporter and can't stand football so does that make me lee grown up as i know what is happening is wrong
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 11/03/2009 12:10:49
There is still a risk, even with only English players taking part. The issue is the existence of a GB football team, not who is playing in it. Brown is indeed a traitor to even contemplate this.
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Sedov,

11/03/2009 12:14:03
My opinion is that Scottish football is in such a state right now that any idea to boast the game here in Scotland, inlcuding an olympic team with all countries involved cannot do anything but good for Scottish football.
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Calum Crubag,

11/03/2009 12:16:34
Scotland not a nation? What is the Act of Union then? A union of two regions?

Scotland's history as a nation goes way back further than England's. We had a Gaelic speaking nation back when the English language itself was in it's infancy and the 'English' royals spoke French!
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Scheme,

11/03/2009 12:17:52
Will Gordon Brown prefer to call the football team South Britain?
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Tris,

11/03/2009 12:27:29

The Prime Minister thinks it's acceptable for there to be a GB football team, therefore there will be a GB football team, and we will get Goodwin's money back.....

So said Harpy Harperson today... or we think she did, only her posh Upper Class vowels will need a translator for us to be sure.

I don't know why we are bothering with this. The tube won't even be in parliament when the Olympics happen... if they ever do happen.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 12:27:53
"A union of two nations"

Okay, you can have that . But one and one doesnt make "twones" does it ?



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Munguin,

11/03/2009 12:30:37
#120 I don't think I was complaining about a GB team. Just the opposite I am glad there is going to be one and glad it will have all Englishmen on it. In the imortal words of Margaret Thatcher at the start of the Falklands War "rejoice at that news" and we will!
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brownlie,

11/03/2009 12:37:29
This scheme would be more plausable if it were to be a full international team instead of a half-baked idea of having under 23 and a few over-age players.

I've been to Scotland under 21 games where there were only a few hundred supporters. If, say, Latvia and Iceland were playing at Hampden how many would turn up? No doubt if, as the articles claims, England represents GB all their matches will be played at Wembley with an impressive array of political dignitaries, who would not know Stoke City from Stirling Albion, in attendance.

The poster who dismissed the Tartan Army as buffoons probably knows all the words of the "Barmy Army" song.
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Munguin,

11/03/2009 12:39:53
I am sure that the Olympics will be a huge success as well with the GB football team no doubt sweeping the board with no medals. It will be another huge feather in the cap for Great Britain! Again in the immortal words of, that possibly greatest of all Great Britons, Margaret Thatcher when speaking of, I think the M25, "it's a Great British achievement". And I am sure it will deserve to be and do Great Britain proud, just like the M25 has!
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Bob M,

Paisley 11/03/2009 12:40:43
#177 - Rugby is a different case. AFAIK there has never been an argument made by foreign rugby playing countries to merge the home nations into a permanent UK team.

Scotland has always been an independent country when it comes to the world's #1 sport. We should do whatever it takes to maintain our status. No Team GB.

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 12:47:25
I hope that the unionists who support the potential demise of Scotland’s representation on the international football stage realise that this also means that our club teams will no longer be eligible to compete in the European club tournaments.

For those who claim that we have never achieved anything of note in football, I would merely point out that Scottish clubs have in recent memory won three European trophies and have appeared in at least another two European trophy finals.

However, I suspect that most of the cringers are not aware of this.

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European Scot,

11/03/2009 13:03:53
The English football teams have been wearing the colours red, white, and blue for some time, it's almost as if somebody had been planning for such an eventuality.
So fielding an all England team will, to the outside World, look just like a British team anyway, especially as those members of the team are observed off field sporting their blue track suits tops, with red and white kit, with blue lettering and lions motif, underneath.
Internationally British and English are synonymous, so they may as well just use an all English team anyway.
Brown will doubtless turn up with his Union Flag, and sit just behind the Prime Minister, waving it enthusiastically.
As for watching Team 'GB' at the Olympics ?
Having no emotional involvement in such a team, I really couldn't be less interested.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:05:48
Slartibartfast,11/03/2009 12:52:23

I suspect the answer is 42.

Now what was the question again?
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Tris,

11/03/2009 13:08:25
#198.

Excellent post. It's just the kind of attitude that does the Nationalist cause more good than 100 speeches from Alex Salmond.

England our England and to hell with the rest of you. We're better, blah blah...

Carry on... You're a one man political advertisement for Independence.

Saor Alba

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From this Flower , safety,

London. 11/03/2009 13:08:47
The home Unions evident fear that the selection of a GB football team sets a precedent for their demise is false . That precedent was established decades ago . Even were a precedent established now those who suggest that those in positions of power within FIFA or EUFA would ever forgo the pleasure of England at Wembley , days of plush London five star hotels , audiences at Buckingham Palace and daliances of power in Downing Street for GB in Belfast or Glasgow simply ignor human nature . That illuminaries such as Salmond of Craig Brown , not the sharpest of minds , evidentally fail to understand this is no surprise to me . Lastly , if the decision is to form a GB football team I doubt any of the home Unions have the power to prevent player representation . To attempt to do so might enter them into a legal minefield .
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:08:55
#184
Apologies, please tell us all your opinion on the British and Irish Lions.
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Proghead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:15:33
If Scotland didn't have England to hate, we'd turn on ourselves. Look at Ireland. Do you really think we have any industry left to support independence ? No engineering, no banks, zip. There is already a backlash in England starting against the 'whigeing' Scots, I've seen it first hand. As for footy, what an embaressment Team Scotland would be.........fun fun
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Peter20,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:24:04
Does anyone really think Scotland, Wales and Ireland would lose their individual rights as football nations? Honestly? Thought not. So why not just compete as part of a GB team like we do quite happily with all the other sports?
I really think this should be an "anti-FIFA" rant rather than an anti-English one. Having said that the arrogance of the Emglish politicians is quite breathtaking and they do their own countrymen a disservice with their willingness to dismiss Scottish opinion so easily.
Going back to my original point though - why aren't we outraged at FIFA - or is it just not as much fun as sniping at the Auld Enemey?!!!
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John south of Soutra,

11/03/2009 13:25:45
Liz, I'm afraid that your commnet about the Lions is wrong, for a start they are called the British and Irish Lions, and they consist of 5 countries not 4 as yuo state or have you decided that Nothern Ireland is now part of Ireland.
The main difference between the 2 is that there is no threat to the 4 home unions who make up the Lions, whereas in football there is a significant threat to the 4 home unions as there have been many countries who have campaigned to get 1 team representing the UK.
This be appear trivial to you and others on this thread but I would expect that if a poll was taken you would mind that the vast majority of people in each of the 4 countries wanted their own national football team.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:26:44
202 From this Flower , safety,London. 11/03/2009 13:08:47

“The home Unions”


You appear to be a trifle confused, this thread is about soccer, not rugby.

Balloon.

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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:35:08
#206
Quite the contrary, I have not decided that Northern Ireland has joined the Republic. But on Rugby terms they have. They play as a unified Irish team hence the British and Irish Lions consist of players from the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English teams that play in the Six Nations. So I am correct to say (in this context) 'four nations'.

There is no real threat to the Scottish or any other national football team. As I mentioned before if there was any real threat the English would want nothing to do with it either.
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IainGlasgow,

11/03/2009 13:39:00
What will happen if we have an independence referendum in 2010? This is one more reason to vote 'yes'
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ExpatNL,

glasgow 11/03/2009 13:42:14
#6 Edward

Your link to "Diomhair" seems to be broken or "has been removed by the user".
Can you please post a working link or upload a new version to YouTube, if it has indeed been removed.

Living outside the UK means I cannot access the BBC Iplayer. At the time of the Glasgow East by-election I kept up with debates on ITV, BBC etc by tuning in to the
baronsarwarofgovan channel on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/baronsarwarofgovan

This channel has not been updated for the last 7 months. I hope, if not the baron him or herself someone else takes up the challenge through YouTube to keep all us expats informed by uploading interviews and statements made by politicians and others involved in Scottish political life.

So that we can make up our own minds on these media clips instead of having only to read comments about comments on opinions about them posted by other people.

No team GB.
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LEAL,

11/03/2009 13:43:55
Has anyone guaged opinion on the whole TeamGB thing amongst Raith Rovers fans?
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Liz,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:44:50
#213
I dont mean to be rude but you really need to get out more. I know lots of people who are proud to be Scottish and British. I do not understand your point of view that anyone who supports the Union with England is in some way anti Scottish and full of 'self hatred'. In my experience it only the most bitter and twisted end of the SNP support who are the self lothers and have this illusion of being held back in their lives.

The majority of people in Scotland just get on with their lives and don't dwell on a raft of percieved injustices as many who post on these boards do.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 13:47:54
liz
england fa would be in charge if fifa made it a gb team .so in the end dosn't really matter to them as it's Business as usual for them.
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LEAL,

11/03/2009 13:48:11
The Scotsman is usually more enthusiastically supportive of London Labour ideas.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:53:22
211 Liz,Edinburgh 11/03/2009 13:35:08

“There is no real threat to the Scottish or any other national football team. As I mentioned before if there was any real threat the English would want nothing to do with it either.”

I am intrigued, what do you know that Sepp Blatter, David Taylor, David Wills, Craig Brown and Gordon Smith do not know?
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From this Flower , safety,

London. 11/03/2009 13:55:10
PROGHEAD : I´ll not gainsay your personal experience of an English backlash against you but I do doubt there is much evidence vis an English backlash against Scots . On the contrary I happen to think the English generally are well disposed towards Scots . Not withstanding the ignorance of many on these posts I think Scots too are generally well disposed towards the English .That at any rate has been my experience during my many visits to your lovely part of the island . LIZ , you are correct , I think , that very few English people would prefer a GB team rather than England . Not because they are anti Scot , Welsh or Irish , but simply its a traditional thing . The Olympics is quite another matter .Incidentally your refererance to the British and Irish Lions causes puzzlement in that I´m not sure the IRISH element was added , and why . My memory tells me that hitherto it was simply British Lions .
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Proghead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 14:02:31
I just threw in a grenade and retired to a safe distance. I'm not self loathing, I just know what we're like
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Proghead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 14:09:19
#221 Watchwoman

'I don't see very many manifestations in Scotland of people being proud to be British. I myself no hardly anyone who regards themselves as British or, if they do, they've never expressed it to me because they really don't care.'

That's because they probably don't want a tide of outdated Nationalist rhetoric launched upon them by the likes of you when all they are trying to do is have a pint in peace
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Paesano,

11/03/2009 14:14:46
Liz - of all the offensive writings here, how dare you accuse football of being trivial....Shame on you. I can deal with the moaning English, the victimised Scots, the selective history lessons....but there is no need for that. Kind of an obvious question but what were you doing reading an article on footba in the first place!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 11/03/2009 14:18:15
#153 nSyratzcGlaw,

"Im going to stop soon but the UK is a nation."

The UK is a Multinational State, it is currently composed of 4 Nations, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

Great Britian has as much claim to calling itself a Nation as does the EU.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 14:18:54
To paraphrase Primal Scream

You want to be free ?

to do what ?

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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 14:19:09
you are free witchy woo.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 14:20:30
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233

maybe in your head. None of the composite regions of the UK is a soveriegn state.

Now , if Scotland IS a nation , what have you got to worry about ? and whats that dirgey song all about ?

Tae think again..
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 14:22:11
"The United Kingdom is a unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales"

I'm starting to get bored with this.
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danbob,

11/03/2009 14:23:18
FIFA have said already that it will not effect Scotlands independent status, so what is the real issue. Could it be Scotland wouldn't have any players good enough anyway?
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 14:23:53
#196 bully wee alba

"Scottish clubs have in recent memory won three European trophies"

Come, come sir, it's FOUR.

One half of the Chuckle Brothers - European Cup, Lisbon 1967

The other half of The Brothers Chuckle - ECWC, Barcelona, 1972

Aberdeen Aberdeen Aberdeen - ECWC, Gothenburg, 1983

Aberdeen Aberdeen Aberdeen - European Super Cup, Hamburg/Aberdeen, December 1983.

This means that Aberdeen are the only Scottish team to have won two European trophies, the last Scottish side to win a European trophy and the only Scottish club with a 100% success rate in European finals. Nae bad, eh?

Your omission is enough to make one want to keep the oil revenues north of Portlethen. ;o)
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Paesano,

11/03/2009 14:37:02
A lot of the unhappiness I'm hearing could easily be sorted by a change of flag - love the current one but it's a bit corporate - we need something a lot chirpier, something with a sun in it, lots of colours and ideally a symbolic / or comedic animal. Ditto for our anthem. Armed with a decent tune & sparkly re-designed flag we'd soon shut the whingers up. Of course we'd need to get permission from England first to see if we're allowed.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 14:41:03
Logically, patriotism is stupid. Its a way of saying that we are better than that other lot who are also patriotic.

Just because you happened to be born on a spit of earth somewhere which is no different from that other spit of earth, except politically.

We have to stop this nonsense. Watch woman, go live your life, be free. i know I am.
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Proghead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 14:45:35
#248 - nSyratzcGlaw

Well said, shall we open a kibbutz ?
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nSyratzcGlaw,

11/03/2009 14:46:27
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Its a never ending process and you know it. Corsica , canary Islands , the political mess of Belgium , scotland england devolution for Bathgate etc.

it never ends.

Just be happy. scotland already largely governs itself, albeit very badly and half assed.

I would seek therapy as its obvious that your father inculcated you into worrying about this nonsense.

Nationality is largely irrelevant in the 21st century.
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ExpatNL,

glasgow 11/03/2009 14:52:43
As far as I know.
The only deal being offered to the home nations footballing authorities is taking part as a unified GB team.
Obviously the chance of losing independence within FIFA is too great to risk taking part in such circumstances.
Given this, I fail to understand why the Scottish, Welsh, Irish and English FAs don't get together and draw straws to decide who takes part or on a more sporting note, why not have a mini tournament to decide which country enters the Olympics to represent GB. Or is that too "risk based" for the newly risk phobic G. Brown.

Again any help with viewing "Diomhair" would be greatly (not in the Brit sense of course)appreciated.
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Proghead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 14:54:28
#251 nSyratzcGlaw

Oops
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 14:56:08
#250
its about how scotland is being treated thats is what makes a lot of scots want an ent to the treaty of union.
its suppose to be a union of equals and thats never be the case and more and more scots are waking up and see that especaily with all these top secert files be coming publis now .
gordon brown whats scotland wiped from the map and only have north and south britain.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 15:08:19
SIR ALEXANDER GRAY (1882-1968) "Scotland"
"This is my country,
The land that begat me.
These windy spaces
Are surely my own.
And those who toil here
In the sweat of their faces
Are flesh of my flesh,
And bone of my bone."

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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 15:18:00
#255 so the pinstripe suited nazis strike again,if it was not meant to be seen,then howcome bbc alba showed it?
on whose orders was this truth,removed from public view?
or did the bbc site copyright,as we all pay the bbc cash in our licence fee,we the public own it
achtung herr broon,seig heil herr skullduggery murphy
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 15:24:56
i know i am not british, i am first and foremost scottish till the day i die and i will have the butchers apron burnt at my funeral to symbolise my contempt for a corrupt and unjust union.
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 15:27:04
If it is true that our money really subsidizes the English and not the other way around then is their a good chance that when we go independent we might be consigning a great many families into destitution outside of Scotland?
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 15:28:44
#260 just like scotland now in the union.
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Proghead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 15:36:15
#258

You mean Watchwoman doesn't even live in Scotland ?! That's a peach. Touch of the old Sean Connery's that one. 'I believe in an independent Scotland, as long as I don't have to live there and pay wee Eck's taxes' Fun fun
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 15:40:14
#260

That is a fear that many of us have which is why I'm one of the 22% in the last poll who don't know if independence is a good thing or not. Old socialist internationalist instincts, I think.

If there is a referendum, I will try to elicit balanced views from those whose veracity and judgement I trust before making my choice. That means I'd be unlikely to take into account much of the white noise on this site.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 15:48:02
57vintage
look at a site called the big lie/great deception it is done by a forencis accountant and makes for interesting reading
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Alba Abú,

11/03/2009 15:48:55
#237 Wrong! n Ireland is not a country.The small statelet consists of 6 of the 9 counties of Ulster.The 6 north eastern counties of Ireland belong to a country called Ireland.No matter what smoke and mirrors you may use,Ulster,always did and always will belong to the Irish nation.
Although I must confess it does sound rather cosy to say that the UK consists of four countries but alas that only exists in unionist mythological thinking.And by the way I am Scottish Scottish Scottish, not British, and not as the yanks may call us "northern Englanders"
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 11/03/2009 15:50:22
Having saved the world for oligarchs, you need a football team too. Not signifying much.
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European Scot,

11/03/2009 15:57:23
255 Traquir

"Again any help with viewing "Diomhair" would be greatly (not in the Brit sense of course) appreciated."

The fact that "Diomhair" was removed with such speed, along with an entire thread on this newspaper yesterday, which contained many comments that had been made about this programme, tells us all we need to know about the reasons for its removal.
The Brit control freaks pounced on this one quickly, because they know how damaging it is to their beloved State.
They really are getting rattled, let's hope somebody can get some decent copies.
Wonder where the Master tapes are right now ?
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57vintage,

Keith 11/03/2009 16:09:53
#264 fiferjohn

Is it propaganda?

Do you have a URL?

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bill-alba,

fife 11/03/2009 16:14:18
#258 "patently untrue" the only thing that is patently untrue is the garbage that is written on all your comments. funny how the welsh, scottish and nI fa's saying no to a team gb makes them parochial but one nation England saying yes makes them all embracing.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 16:14:32
If all or some of the 4 constituent parts of the UK want to maintain seperate soccer teams so be it. The British and Irish Lions Rugby team provides the world with one of its great sporting spectacles. Their appearance every few years does not seem to threaten their seperate sporting status in any way or form. The issue of prejudicing the Home unions seperate status needs to be ruled on by FIFA once and for all. I see no reason why an occasional fielding of an all UK team should be a prob any more than a European Ryder cup team should be seen as a potential threat to the status of the individual EU nations.
265 Albu Abu-some people regard "Ireland" as a geographic term in the same sense as some see "Great Britain". Nations are largely of the heart. Maybe "Ulster" will belong to the "Irish Nation" one day if a majority of its inhabitants decide thus
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 16:22:21
239 Danbob-if an all UK team were fielded I would say it should be on a minimum quota basis-in relation to population but adjusted to give a more even spread very approx-minimum one from NI, 2 each from Scotland and wales and 6 from england
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Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 11/03/2009 16:23:54
Even if a GB team had 11 Scots in it i wouldn't support it. I'm Scottish and i support any team that represents my Country, SCOTLAND, simple really
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Lee Hutchison,

Fife 11/03/2009 16:30:22
the pinnacle of international football is the world cup. football at the olympics is a nonsense, under 23 kickabout. no scottish player or manager is going to incur the wrath of the sfa and every fan in scotland just to play in this mickey mouse event, so let the english say and do whatever they like, the whole thing is a farce
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ExpatNL,

glasgow 11/03/2009 16:37:37
#248 European Scot

"The fact that "Diomhair" was removed with such speed, along with an entire thread on this newspaper yesterday, which contained many comments that had been made about this programme, tells us all we need to know about the reasons for its removal."

For those P2P freax among us:

http://tinyurl.com/Diomhair
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

11/03/2009 16:40:54
Mmmm that's a bit alarming that someone would report #4 to the moderator.

Can I ask were you offended that I pointed out that exactly ZERO Scottish Labour MP's attended yesterday's debate or was it the F-word quote from Lord Coe that caused you to write to the moderator?
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 16:41:01
253 Westfield Bairns-If thats your sentiment then who am I or indeed anyone to challenge it? Ones patriotism is normally forged immutably and at an early age. You have always regarded yourself as a Scot-I am British and take pride in the heritage of every part of the United Kingdom. I have long since given up trying to convert anyone in this vexed debate.
We are what we are and that is it.
What we need to learn is respect for the opinions of others.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 16:42:00
57vintage

http://www.alba.org.uk/scotching/biglie.html
it is a year behind as it takes that long to get the information out of the government departments .he even sends it back to get them the go over it
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 11/03/2009 16:45:33
People who claim to be "proud to be Scottish AND British" either have their heads in the sand or they just don't understand reality. What they are effectively saying is that they enjoy being a member of a little, pretendy statelet called Scotland (or North Britain), as part of a real country called Britain. If that is the case, then there is no need whatsoever for a Scottish footbsall team at all. Time to get off the unionist fence, boys and girls - you can't have your cake and eat it - ask FIFA.

There are a few tortured souls that cling on to the dillusion of being Scottish AND British. The majority of us find that sentiment distasteful. If you are proud to be British, then go on and be British 100%, otherwise give it up for goodness sake. I would have more respect for that. Sitting on the fence is shameful. Time to decide.
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 16:52:35
(#261) – (fiferjohn) – Did you know that the promise in the act of union was to the people of Scotland and not the country?

Did you also know that it took about forty years after the union for Scots to realize their potential?

Did you know that this first flourish of Scottish endeavour is now called the Scottish Enlightenment?

Do you not realize that it is the Scottish people who will create a better Scotland and not the money from any amount of money from oil revenue?

If Scotland is undereducated do you not realize that its people will end up being subsided by its own oil industry instead of creating a living breathing economy?

Did you know that innovation in Norway nose dived as soon as the oil money came rolling in?
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The new waspy,

11/03/2009 16:53:07
#225
Alex was just warming up for a big team.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 16:53:07
253 Westfield Bairns,Falkirk 11/03/2009 16:23:54
Even if a GB team had 11 Scots in it i wouldn't support it. I'm Scottish and i support any team that represents my Country, SCOTLAND, simple really
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Yes indeed you are.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 16:53:13
57 vintage
that is a link to an old one as i have lost the url to the latest one.
you might be know your way around the web better than me to find the up to date one.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 16:55:41
260 Luigiana-what about someone who is proud to be a Texan and an American? Why should being a Scot AND a Brit be mutually exclusive-or indeed a European and a Scot?(nudge nudge-hows it going ES? :) )
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 16:57:07
ewan
that is up tp the people of scotland to make sure that we learn from others counrties and what has happened in the past but we can't do that if we don't have independance to do it
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 16:58:24
261 Slartibartfast-help an old bloke out here Slarti-how do I access that? Do I just type all that into Google? genuine question -not taking the mick-bit of a technophobe with some computer stuff!
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

11/03/2009 16:59:58
Cheerio England!
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:01:15
There is an excellent program on BBC2 tonight at 21-00.

Building the Olympic Dream.

Three-part observational documentary series charting the journey to the London 2012 Olympics.

Make sure you don't miss it.
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The new waspy,

11/03/2009 17:03:59
Scotland, England, Wales and N Ireland are not recognised countries just entities within the United Kingdom which is the Internationally recognised country.
N Ireland is not in Great Britain but is in the UK therefore Great Britain is not a recognised country so how can they compete in the Olympics??
Hope that clears it all up.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:04:08
262 Ewan randall-interesting post.
I have often wondered what the Saudis will do once their oil runs out and the politicians have secreted all the money into anonymous Swiss bank accounts!
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European Scot,

11/03/2009 17:09:28
270 Geoff

" The issue of prejudicing the Home unions seperate status needs to be ruled on by FIFA once and for all "

Evening Geoff, still tottering about then !

The status of the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish Football Associations is already well established.
It is putting them together under a British umbrella that could undermine their status in the future.
It would give other countries the ammunition to say that there should only be one British team, just like the one that appeared at the Olympics in the 2012 Olympics.
The importance of the National sides, and their importance to the identity of the individual Nations, far outweighs appearances by a ' Football Team GB' at the Olympics, which frankly wouldn't rate too highly on many people's list of priorities.
It would of course play right into the hands of our beloved Unionist politicians who would love to see us all labelled as 'Brits'.
Any risk at all to the status of their country's team, just so they can appear at the Olympics under a British banner, is not going to go down well with many supporters.
Except perhaps dear Gordon, sitting in the Olympic stadium, enthusiastically waving his little Union flag for all his might, and thinking about what might have been, as he stares at the back of David Cameron's head.
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Westfield Bairns,

SCOTTISH NOT BRITISH 11/03/2009 17:10:22
264 ROOFARSE - oooooh i'm Scottish and British ( subsidy junky)

Always nice when one of the two resident Unionist spin
doctors take the bait.
This article just confirms what you already know, shame you are one of the self loathers.

See Below - Time for meds i think

Scottish - Scottish
English - English/British
Scottish Unionist - Loathed by both of the above
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:12:04
274 Westfield Bairns,SCOTTISH NOT BRITISH 11/03

Name calling again...........Tut Tut.

Westfield thinks he is still in the playground.

Shame really.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:15:51
Hey Westfield, what does your Scottish Passport look like?

I have never seen one of them before.

Can you get Traquir to make a Tiny URL out of it?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Poor Westfield, he must hate travelling as a British Subject.

And the thing is....................it is going to be like that for the rest of his unimportant and inconsequential life!

Abu Graith. as they say in Iraq.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:16:37
271 The new waspy-:) yes flags, anthems and titles are a total b*lls up in the UK. Ironically, a majority in NI would be quite happy to call themselves 'British' and identify with GB . The rest is a mess-England using the BRITISH anthem when playing Wales, the Scots having a seperate Royal standard cos they are understandably p*ssed off with england having two quarters which prob could be solved if England gave up one quarter to wales-but oh no-Wales is not a country but a Principality! Then there is the Bank of ENGLand?!? And ENGLAND being the only memeber of the Union without its own Assembly or Parliament. And of course if you are an ENGLISH Republican unionist then "God Save the Queen" cant be all that satisfactory as a national Anthem! Not to mention the fact that most of the 'original' Britons are from the Celtic fringe, some of whom are happy to say Welsh not british!

Must be very confusing for the foreigners!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 17:21:49
''Abu Graith. as they say in Iraq.'' that is in quite spectacularly poor taste Rufus. Even for you.
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Truely English,

11/03/2009 17:25:26
We are all British whether people here agree or not and we are part of the British Nation which is made up of Wales, Scotland England and Northern Ireland.

We all participate in and watch a range of the same culture from football to Golf and from television soaps to the arts and all in the International language called English.
I understand the most popular television soap in Scotland is East-enders and most Scottish football fans watch English football teams on SKY or other sports channels.

Spending such vast sums on training four football teams instead of one would be absolutely insane in this time of recession and would not be accepted easily considering that it is the English people and economy which subsidises the rest of Great Britain even taking into account the oil in the North Sea.

We should all be proud that the Scots have made it to the top jobs in England and if they are good enough I am sure there will be a place for them in any British football team. Better to have one good football side than four that are not so good.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:26:24
273 European Scot-still tottering around in my Pith helmet cursing the natives old sport!! Hope you are well-its good clean fun-all part of growing up and being British! In todays troubled world this is not an issue that keeps me awake, but the UK is really a "one off" as a political structure. My feeling is that as long as there is majority support for the UK and as it is recognised as a country worldwide, then they should try to put together a fitba team every now and agin?
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:27:16
278 Observer,,Glasgow 11/03/2009 17:21:49
''Abu Graith. as they say in Iraq.'' that is in quite spectacularly poor taste Rufus. Even for you.
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Not as poor taste as you beating up Muriel Gray in the toilets in Glasgow and then coming on here and bragging about it.
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Hugh Roscombe,

11/03/2009 17:28:56
281 Rufus

You're just miffed because Muriel beat YOU up. Wimp.

:-)
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 17:30:49
#276 Rufus

Why are you posting on a football thread when you obviously know nothing about the game?

Bye the way, Darren Fletcher will not be eligible to play in an under 23 tournament in 2012, as he will be 28 by then.
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European Scot,

11/03/2009 17:31:02
255 ExpatNL

Apologies, but has the numbering changed ?
I somehow seem to have confused you with Traquir's moniker, yet coincidentally your present number 255 appears to be what Traquir's number originally was.
.
Anyway thanks for the link.
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Westfield Bairns,

SCOTTISH NOT BRITISH 11/03/2009 17:31:49
275/276 ROOFARSE = oooooh im Scottish and British

My, sad to watch when one has touched a nerve, just administer some more meds and perhaps put on a DVD, Labour Conference etc. However one has still to point out the sad facts below.

ENJOY
Scottish - Scottish
English - English/British
Scottish Unionist - Loathed by both of the above
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:32:39
Hey Hugh, the Fat Duck re-opens tomorrow.

Get yourself along, they do some lovely food.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:35:18
283 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 11/03/2009 17:30:49
#276 Rufus
Why are you posting on a football thread when you obviously know nothing about the game?
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Really?

What do you base that on?

Bully Boy the man that does not know how to work out Champions League points.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:36:15
Whatever you say Westfield, you British Subject you.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:38:26
Good results for Liverpool and Chelsea last night.

Hopefully Aresenal and Man United can do it tonight.

What a triumph it would be for British football.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 17:40:44
rufus you may be a british subject but for a lot of us we are scottish Citizens
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The new waspy,

11/03/2009 17:43:13
#277
Never sing or stand to the "English" nationl anthem.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:44:12
290 democratic scot-tut tut! We are not allowed to say 'Ulstermen' any more!
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 17:44:29
a subject means you grovel to someone and i grovel to no man/woman.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/03/2009 17:46:15
291 fiferjohn,11/03/2009 17:40:44
rufus you may be a british subject but for a lot of us we are scottish Citizens
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You can call yourself a Vulcan if you so choose.

You are still, in reality, a British Subject however.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 17:46:55
#292
oh come on you have to sing god save the queen as its about crushing us Rebellious scots.
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:48:07
292 New waspy-to be honest I never really took u for a Royalist.
Call me psychic :)
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:51:43
297 Democratic Scot- :)

296 fiferjohn-only the rebellious ones John-not the nice ones!
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Geoff,

sa 11/03/2009 17:52:07
The glory of 300?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 17:54:07
287 RufusT-Firefly,11/03/2009 17:35:18

Really?

What do you base that on?

I base it upon my belief that you have no idea which club has held the Scottish Cup for the longest consecutive period as well as your contention that a 28 year old player should be eligible to play in an under 23 competition.
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ExpatNL,

glasgow 11/03/2009 17:56:36
#284
European Scot

Nae bother.
I think when they remove a comment all the posts move to cover up the gaps.
This can and does confuse the reader when he/she reads a comment that refers to a certain post which has in the meantime been removed and who's number has been consigned to another post which has no relevance to the original.

This may give the comments a neater look but I think that the numbers should remain along with the name of the poster and the reason for removal.
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I should be studying,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 17:57:31
What a load of hot air!! So, the so-called Scottish Football supporters don't want to field a GB team with any Scottish players, yet complain when the GB team may be composed only of English players! What a bunch of t*ssers you all are.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 18:04:02
#303

Don’t let the fact that you obviously do not understand an issue deflect you from having an opinion upon it.
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St.George,

11/03/2009 18:04:18
Traquir. Your bias and Bigotry are second to none,if that's the way scotland,wales,and N.I. want to play it that's ok,but you are missing out on a lifetimes experience and putting your footballers into a second class catagory
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11/03/2009 18:06:19
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 18:14:47
(#244) – (57vintage) – Do you not believe as I do that given the right conditions most Scots would wish for independence?

Do you believe like I do that those of the Scottish Enlightenment had it right when they said they wished to both improve things for their fellow Scots and for those elsewhere?

Do you believe as I do that the increase in support for independence due to all of this talk about oil money has the distinct smell of greed and revenge rather than being based on some great plan formulated to improve all aspects of Scottish life?
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St.George,

11/03/2009 18:17:14
309. LOL, If you want to "kiss westminsterrs a##e" it will take a long,long time,you see without westminster you would not have devolution and without devolution you are bandjacked!
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 18:17:17
311
you sound like bernad ingram the tory.
greedy little scots.
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 18:18:40
st. george
blair was ordered from the eu has saw scotland being walked over.
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St.George,

11/03/2009 18:18:56
311.NO.
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St.George,

11/03/2009 18:22:05
314. Really! funny how scotland receives 30 billion pound from westminster of which 17 billion is from English taxpayers.
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 18:27:43
(#267) – (fiferjohn) – Do you think going into a referendum without proposals for an interim constitution is allowing the people of Scotland a voice in a newly independent country?

How are we to learn from other countries when we are yet to learn from our own mistakes?
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 18:29:32
(#272) – (Geoff) – Do you think that there are many in Saudi that are investing in alternative energy supplies like solar etc?
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fiferjohn,

11/03/2009 18:29:36
you should have a look a the biglie our will find westminister need us more than we need them.
not just the oil we will have the fishing rights back and that is worth millions along .
there is a lot more but i'am sure with the right digging your find it on the net.
thruth is out there
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 18:30:55
316 St.George,

“Really! funny how scotland receives 30 billion pound from westminster of which 17 billion is from English taxpayers.”


Indeed, that would be truly funny.


Oh, just as a matter of interest, where did you get your figures from?

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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 18:33:05
(#313) – (fiferjohn) – Is it not interesting to think that it is only when oil and the money that comes from it is talked about that nationalism gathers any real strength at all in Scotland?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/03/2009 18:41:54
#323

Fair point.

I will humbly stand back from the plate....................for now.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/03/2009 18:54:07
A Mickey Mouse team for a Mickey Mouse competition, supported by Mickey Mouse politicians
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/03/2009 18:58:31
289 - four clubs full of foreign national players, non-English managers and non English owners. A triumph for British fitba ?

I don't care who wins it as long as it aint Liverpool.
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 19:30:27
For those who have chosen sides on independence what comes first your country or your family?
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Ewan Randall,

11/03/2009 19:53:28
Why doesn't FIFA allow is a winner takes all competition which would allow the winning UK representative to fly the flag for both their country and Great Britain?
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Eve,

Scotland 11/03/2009 20:53:55
Nice to see so many people care about the future of the national side. Hopefuly if the English get their team it won't effect the Scotland team. Got ma figers crossed. I supose we do need a sureance while we're still in the union.

I agree with thoes who say that Scotland should have it's own Olympic team. espealy when places like Hong Kong are allowed their own team.

#15 Truely English: Speak for your self, many of us see little to be prod of in that sence. I personal wish English wasn't my first language . It has nothing to do with name I must stress BUT everything to do with it being a terbile language in the writen format.

It's like the worst language for people to have litercy problems with in the Western world.
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Eve,

Scotland 11/03/2009 21:01:45
#333 Col. Blimp­IV*: There no problity of their ever being homogeneous Birittian, it's just no possible.

It's like soclism and equality it's imposible inlarge state or union. I'm a great bleiver in social equality but I've excepted that the only way to have equailty in Scotland is for us to become independent.

Though in second thoughts a homogeneous any country or union is rather distrubing in an age where we're supose to be more acepting to people beliefs and backgrounds.

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Shug,

11/03/2009 22:11:58
337 you mean your Scottish with a huge dose of insecurity and paranoia. Of course you can be Scottish and British. Calling yourself British for certain occassions doesn't change the fact you are also Scottish. It's a state of mind. Most Scots my age that I know were brought up supporting GB teams at the Olympics, Alan Wells, Coe, Evett, Daley Thompson, Tom McKean and many many more. Its a sport not life and death, a wee bit of fun and not worth off loading all this pathetic Nationalistic/Unionistic whining on to it
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pwd,

Borders 11/03/2009 22:44:51
I look forward to a GB football team, with Scots in it, at the olympics. I hope it will give us as much cause for pride as our last olympic team did.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/03/2009 23:13:21
340 - that last appearance being 1972 when GB were knocked oot in the qualifying roond by Bulgaria !
Says it all !
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Aaachtoom,

11/03/2009 23:18:53

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!


Lottery funds for museums, galleries and stately homes could be reduced until 2019 - seven years after the London Olympics.

The projected budget for the Heritage Lottery Fund up to 2013 has already been cut from £220m to £180m per year to help pay for the games.

BBC Scotland has learned the amount allocated could continue to be pegged at the reduced level until 2019.

About 8.8% of the Heritage Lottery Fund is allocated to Scotland.

Funding forecast

Scottish Culture Secretary Mike Russell said it was an example of Scotland being "robbed" to pay for the games.
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Aaachtoom,

11/03/2009 23:21:36
There are many Scottish athletes who would be taking part in the Olympics if we had our own team. As such, as usual the dominant Anglos take priority over us.

Big changes are on the way.
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Strompy,

12/03/2009 05:46:44
#334 "The real subsidy junky is Greater London."

LOL

So a nation of 5 million(GDP $196 billion) subsidises a nation of 50 million(GDP $2.2 trillion).


LOL
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Strompy,

12/03/2009 06:01:28
#339 "Its those who insist on calling themselves British who have a huge sense of insecurity."

Aren't you a Brython or British, because the original inhabitants of the British Isles are Brythons or British! By denying your heritage you are displaying a cultural cringe. It would seem you're the one with the huge sense of insecurity!!

327

antifa,

12/03/2009 09:34:28
If the team is picked on merit, it will be 100% English anyway.
328

The Scotchman,

12/03/2009 10:01:09
#344 - never knew that Greater London had a population of 50 million.

Mind you it probably does in retrospect with the amount of illegal immigrants.

329

peteedinburgh,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 10:38:51
I only looked at a football story as I heard that the UK has neverr put in an olympic football team as the 4 nations that make up GB can't agree to do it. Now the Olympics are in GB we should be in every sport and its come to a head.

Football is the only sport that can't agree

WoW! what a set of complete utter brain dead self obsessed numpties you are.
330

Ealonder,

16/03/2009 17:56:46
236 Fiferjohn: Those Englanders wrote some poems too...

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;

A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blessed by the suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,

In hearts a peace, under an English heaven.


Rupert Brooke (1887-1915)


 

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