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Capital house prices tumble for the first time in 37 years



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Published Date: 03 September 2008
HOUSE prices in Edinburgh have fallen for the first time in nearly four decades – the clearest sign yet that the Scottish property market is not immune from the downturn.
The capital's most authoritative house sales survey yesterday recorded a 6.5 per cent year-on-year drop in prices, with the average property selling last month for £201,517. This was the first fall in prices since 1971.

The survey, by the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre (ESPC), showed only 400 homes had been sold in the month – down 60 per cent on the same period last year and the poorest August performance since Labour came to power at Westminster in 1997. The data also showed the capital's market was flooded with unsold properties – 3,400, compared with 2,000 last year.

Premiums paid to secure a property were only 14 per cent above the asking price, compared with 27 per cent last August.

Gareth Bogie, of the Edinburgh solicitors Allingham & Co, said: "The 60 per cent drop in the volume of sales is frightening.

"The market can cope with the drop in price – that will adjust itself to market conditions.

"However, it is the volume of sales that is very concerning. This is a real wake-up call.

"People in Edinburgh thought they were in a protected market, but this shows that they're not immune from market conditions."

David McLetchie, a Conservative MSP for Edinburgh who is also a lawyer in the city, said: "I hope that this finally dispels the complacency that Scotland is somehow immune from the housing problems facing the rest of the UK, and that people realise this is a problem we are all in together."

Edinburgh has traditionally been seen as a barometer for the rest of the country and had managed to survive UK-wide housing crashes over the past three decades.

Despite a rising population and strong financial sector, experts said the market's strength had been "eroded somewhat".

The figures came as Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, announced a year-long freeze in stamp duty paid on properties worth up to £175,000 – a move designed to kick-start the market by helping first-time buyers.

Stamp duty – paid at an initial rate of 1 per cent of the purchase price – has been levied on homes above £125,000.

According to sales figures from the past year, about 330,000 UK house- buyers would have benefited from a stamp duty "holiday" – including 40,000 in Scotland who bought homes between £125,000 and £175,000 in the 12 months to April.

However, yesterday's announcement was undermined when many housing professionals said that the £1.6 billion package, which included help for people at risk of repossession and incentives for first-time buyers, did not go far enough to address the wider housing slump.

James Scott-Lee, of the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors, said: "A one-year stamp-duty holiday could provide some much-needed relief for first- time buyers struggling in the current market.

"However, nine out of ten of total transactions will be unaffected."

The stamp-duty announcement came as Mr Brown and his under-fire Chancellor, Alistair Darling, faced more bad news on the economy.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development said that the UK was heading for recession – the only one of the G7 group of the world's wealthiest nations to do so. The Paris-based think-tank predicted the UK economy would shrink 0.3 per cent in the third quarter, and 0.4 per cent in the fourth – meeting the criteria for a full-blown recession of two successive negative quarters of growth.

There was better news for Scotland with a forecast from one of the country's most authoritative bankers that the Scottish economy would continue to expand for the rest of 2008, despite the difficult "economic headwinds".

Martin Ellis, chief economist at the Bank of Scotland, said the economy was expected to grow through 2008 and into the start of 2009.

That appeared to reinforce the Scottish Government's contention that Scotland was riding out the economic downturn better than the rest of the UK.

But the news that prices in the previously rock-solid Edinburgh market were falling appeared to undermine this. UK-wide indicators have pointed to a downturn in the housing market for several months.

Many, including Alex Salmond, the First Minister, had suggested the market in Scotland was bucking this trend. But last month, the head of estate agent Slater Hogg & Howison said that was nonsense, claiming official figures were not keeping pace with conditions on the ground.

The new figures suggest this view is correct.

Ron Smith, the chief executive of the ESPC, said the rise in the number of properties available, coupled with constraints on demand caused by tightened lending criteria, had left buyers in a stronger position to negotiate lower prices.

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WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY

CRAWFORD McCAUGHIE, head of lending at Dunfermline Building Society, said:

"It is a welcome and sensible move. But this is only part of the jigsaw.

"The bigger picture is consumer confidence overall. The mortgage funding markets are still not open to any great extent, and until this happens a meaningful and sustainable recovery of the housing market might not be achieved."

CATHERINE TAYLOR, property partner in legal firm, HBJ Gateley Wareing:

"This is a sensible measure which will help the housing market and bring a measure of confidence back.

"There may have been an issue over the summer with some potential house-buyers staying away in anticipation of stamp duty relief. This will go some way to addressing this and provide much-needed relief for first-time buyers."

CHRISTINE WHITEHEAD, professor in housing at London School of Economics:

"I would have given a stamp duty holiday of six months because 12 months allows people to think about making a purchase more whereas six months gives them pressure which might push them into housing market. It is not unusual for other countries to have first-time buyers excluded from stamp duty."

STEWART BASELEY, executive chairman of the Home Builders Federation:

"We have consistently called for a stamp duty holiday and for action to help those seeking to get on to the property ladder, including a new shared-equity scheme involving developers. Advancing investment in social and affordable housing will help maintain housebuilding activity and capacity."

GRAEME HARTLEY, director, RICS Scotland:

"A one-year stamp duty holiday could provide some much needed relief for first-time buyers struggling in the current market and the move will have some impact in Scotland, where the average price a first-time buyer pays is around £120,000. At best the relief will save buyers £1,750, a drop in the ocean of the £27,738 that RICS estimates as the average costs of buying a home in the UK."

LOUISE CUMING, at moneysupermarket.com, said:

"While this appears to be a positive step, there are still problems. Firstly, it only lasts 12 months. Secondly, the Chancellor is not pushing the threshold far enough. It's affecting houses between £130,000 and £175,000, which is below the average house price, no matter which housing price index you look at. I hoped it would be increased to at least £200,000."

ANDREW SMITH, of Strutt & Parker estate agents, said:

"The latest announcement on stamp duty is not enough to make a dramatic difference across the market as a whole. The new measure impacts on a relatively small number of buyers across the UK. The total saving possible is £1,750, which equates to £33.65 a week over a year.

"Although every little helps, it is difficult to believe it will have a dramatic effect."

STUART BLACK, head of residential sales and marketing at Knight Frank in Scotland, said:

"Sales and purchases that have been wavering in the market will receive a much needed impetus with the stamp duty announcement. With Scotland's average house price being £137,920 (26 per cent below the UK average), this will benefit a broader level of the market. This can only help in stimulating confidence and activity."

RUSSELL HILLS, head of tax for KPMG in Scotland, said:

"This is not the kickstart the housing market needs. The real issues come down to fundamentals such as lack of consumer confidence and the difficulty of getting a mortgage, as banks tighten their lending criteria. By raising the threshold by £50,000 to £175,000, the Chancellor is effectively giving additional relief of just £500 to homebuyers."

SEAN GARDNER, at MoneyExpert.com, said:

"Raising the stamp duty threshold to £175,000 isn't going to solve the problems in the housing market, but it's a move in the right direction for home buyers, afflicted with ever more fees and charges. Mortgage arrangement fees have shot up dramatically in the last year and are increasingly now around £1,000. Such charges can have a real impact on a borrower's ability to buy."

RON SMITH, chief executive at ESPC, said:

"The major constraints on the markets so far have been in lending criteria and lack of affordability, and the stamp duty holiday is not going to significantly change either of these things at the end of the day. Whether it is successful in enticing new people to the market rather than assisting those who are already thinking about it is perhaps a matter of some debate."

ED MONAGHAN, managing director of housebuilder Mactaggart & Mickel, said:

"We are underwhelmed and believe there should be relief of stamp duty on homes worth up to £250,000. The whole economy could benefit, given the added pressures on household incomes. The Bank of England must also step up to the plate. At the very least, a drop in interest rates this week could help lenders pass on more affordable mortgage rates."

MICHAEL LUCK, managing director of the estate agent Slater Hogg & Howison, said:

"I think it is a good step because anything that helps the market is absolutely worthwhile. This move will help first-time buyers and should enable people who are on the border of getting a mortgage to do so. The money that would have gone on stamp duty can now got towards a deposit and this move will bring fresh buyers in to the market place."

HOWARD ARCHER, chief economist at Global Insight, said:

"While these measures are welcome for the people who benefit, we suspect they will have a limited overall impact in supporting the housing market as the underlying fundamentals remain poor.

Furthermore, if potential house buyers expect prices to continue to fall markedly over the next year or so, there is little incentive to buy a house in the near term."

VALERIE SMART, director of private client services at PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, said:

"This is wonderful news for those struggling to get on the housing ladder not least because it will bring to an end the speculation of 'what might be' that has affected activity levels in the residential property market. It is great news for Scotland where average house prices are below £175,000 but it doesn't help those buying more expensive properties."

DANIEL LEE, chief executive officer of property search engine Globrix, said:

"I'm not quite sure where Hazel Blears got her figures from but they don't tally with our own. Our figures, refreshed daily, show that only 40 per cent of the market, almost a quarter of a million properties, are valued at £175,000 or less – not the 50 per cent figure quoted by the government. Fewer will benefit from the stamp duty change."

DONALD MARTIN, partner at MacLeod Independent Financial Advisers in Stornoway, said:

"In this area it will help people because the average house price is considerably lower than that of the rest of the UK. Apart from first-time buyers, the people who will benefit will be house builders. But the window for the threshold is too short. If you think how long it takes to buy a house it is a process that very often takes over a year."

MARK COULTER, managing director of residential property at Lindsays, said:

"This announcement will not fix the problem. It will certainly help a sector of the market but will really only act as a short-term remedy. If the government and the Bank of England want to avoid a recession then the government needs to abolish stamp duty and aggressively drop interest rates. This would encourage people to spend."

The full article contains 2105 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Eddie Tait,

London 03/09/2008 01:00:43
It's only natural that Scottish house prices should also fall in these tough times. After all, we are part of a global economy. However, storms always affect those most exposed so other areas will be more affected than Scotland. Stamp duty cuts will ease the burden and release some tensions; but people need job security and optimism - and it's hard to steer a clear course when you're heading into the wind.

If the highest concentrations of Universities in Europe on our doorstep, there must be a solution out there somewhere. Get your thinking caps on Students of Scotland.

Yours aye,
Eddie
Founder
Scotsin.com - Scottish Business and People Network
2

Highland Mighty©,

03/09/2008 01:03:39
I don't understand.

A few weeks ago, Salmond told us that house prices were RISING across the country.

Was he really badly wrong or was he lying?
3

Jon Bon Jovi,

03/09/2008 01:11:13
"the clearest sign yet that the Scottish property market is not immune from the downturn"

no sh*t sherlock, further proof the hootsman employ's numpty journo's....
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 01:18:39


That's the way the,...'cookie crumbles' one must learn, not to put all ones 'eggs' in one basket.
5

Royster,

03/09/2008 01:24:08
I predict a fall of 40%. Then time to buy again. Prices went up for 10 years, now they will go down for at least 3-5 years. Batten down the hatches. Oh, oil down 5% last night.
6

Nellie Rogers,

Reading bus time tables 03/09/2008 01:36:06
Aye times have changed.

The wee man doon the road from me's semi is gone doon all the time.
7

Shamus,

Glasgow 03/09/2008 01:58:03
I expected to make loadsamoney on ma hoose efter I wis deid. I certainly will not vote Labour ever again. What a let doon they are. Mrs Thatcher wis right aboot Labour. Ye cannae trust them even when yur deid.
8

C. Mantic,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 06:17:16
RUSSELL HILLS, head of tax for KPMG in Scotland, said:

"This is not the kickstart the housing market needs. The real issues come down to fundamentals such as lack of consumer confidence and the difficulty of getting a mortgage, as banks tighten their lending criteria. By raising the threshold by £50,000 to £175,000, the Chancellor is effectively giving additional relief of just £500 to homebuyers."

This is inaccurate. If I bought a house for £175,000 last week I would have paid £1,750 in SDLT. Next week I would pay nothing, a saving of £1,750.

So there, ...head of tax for KPMG in Scotland'.
9

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 03/09/2008 06:26:44
The ceiling on the freeze of duty is too low. We dont pay that until $500,000 (235,000 quid). That is not a freeze but an abolition (along with death duties). To ensure first home buyers are the main benificiary we have a first home buyers grant of $7,000. This was all brought in by the previous Coalition governments. Labour are still playing catchup.
10

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 06:57:52
In the words of Frank Sinatra:

The Party's Over, it's time to call it a day.
They've burst your pretty balloon and taken the moon away.

It's time to wind up the masquerade.
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid.
11

M & S loyal,

Lochwinnoch 03/09/2008 07:11:59
This is terrible news for all those sitting MSP's who have forked out for a second home with our money and are not going to make the big killing they were expecting. Give it a couple of weeks and they will be passing a law to be reimbursed for the profit their not going to make.
12

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 03/09/2008 07:21:20
"Not immune"

Who said it was? A house is a commodity, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it IF he/she has the cash OR someone is prepared to lend that amount to him/her.
13

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 03/09/2008 07:26:29
YES BECAUSE WE SUFFERING FROM britipish MISMANAGEMENT !!!!!!!!!
14

Scimitar,

Belgium 03/09/2008 07:40:01
It can't be true, because the FM and the other vested interests say so.. geez a break.

Face it, Britain alone in Europe is heading into technical recession by the end of the year according to yesterday's OECD report after 11 years of "irrational exhuberance" . The important point here is this, Scotland is no different to England. Average house price = 175k ,average salary = 22k an 8:1 ration compared to last recession it was 3.5:1.
15

Louis Catorze,

03/09/2008 07:40:31
"People in Edinburgh thought they were in a protected market, but this shows that they're not immune from market conditions"

NO they didn't, that's just how you wanted it to be Gareth Bogie of...wait for it....a Solicitors..
16

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/09/2008 08:07:13
VERY GOOD news!

Housing is far too dear. Lower prices enables more of us to own our homes and is tough on greedy speculators.

Only those few who HAVE to sell suffer, so on the whole the majority of us benefit.
17

The Spook in Leith,

03/09/2008 08:08:13
Appears the Union dividend has crept North, what a shame. Im not surprised Edinburgh has been hit coz as we all know, the housing market is way over valued.
18

Isonomia,

Lenzie 03/09/2008 08:15:46
Where does this mad idea that house prices will bounce back come from? Energy and particularly the cheap and abundant supply of oil and gas have enable the Western economy to boom for the last century.

Unless someone finds a new form of energy that can supply the energy the world needs to bring another century of economic boom there is absolutely no reason to suppose there will be any economic growth this century.

When will people get it ... this is the century of the bounce back ... a century where the economy shrinks toward its pre-1900 size ... a century when recession is the norm!
19

cbrammeld,

Fife 03/09/2008 08:19:43
Experts! What a bunch of loseres. The only experts are the punters who are going to purchase a property. Most lenders now require 20% deposit, therefore first time buyers will need around £25000 to get on the ladder. A lot of money from an era where people have not saved money. Interest rates are now 50% higher than a few years ago meaning the interest payment to the bank will be 50% higher. People now can not afford to buy, therefore like anything else that is viewed as overpriced - sales will drop. Simple Adam Smith stuff.
Social housing or should it be called subsidised housing as the social landlord get up to 90% grants to build the properties, may not be the answer in many cases. Some are now so big they have the same inherent problems the coooncil did.
Perhaps The Scotsman could interview the house purchasers who have pulled out the market for a true picture of Gordon Brown's actions.
20

Finnzz,

03/09/2008 08:25:39
Of course this is all because of numpty Browns failure to control bank lending criteria over the last 10 years. The idea of giving someone a mortgage for 125% at 10 times salary was ludicrous.
Personally I cannot understand this fixation with house prices. The value of white goods has dropped over 25% in the last year and nobodies greetin about that affecting the economy. If housing is such a corner stone of the economy, why is it not included in the RPI or inflation figures.
21

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 08:27:33
#18 The Spook

What the fe*k has the Union got to do with this? Considering the housing market in the Nats' beloved Republic of Ireland has slumped just as much, if not more, as well as the USA, Spain etc, etc, your comment was just fatuous. Or maybe I've missed some of your usual irony.
22

Black Five,

edinburgh 03/09/2008 08:40:44
What a shambles.These greedy banks are the cause of it all.As posting 21 says it was absulutely ludicrious to give people 125 % mortgages.That`s the bottom line.A bunch of bampots and it`s only now we`re back to reality.People should have to put down a substantial depsit on a house.In my time you took the man`s pay ,the woman never came into it and it was only after that they allowed you just so much times your anual salary that you could borrow.House prices went through the roof when they scrapped this system.Brown and this Labour Gov. are only part to blame ,it`s the banks and building Societys who are to blame.Shame on the lot of them.
23

11+failed,

the pans 03/09/2008 08:42:06
The most noticeable effect of the stamp duty change in the present market will be to encourage potential buyers of houses in the £180k to £200k range to offer £174,999.
24

SS,

03/09/2008 08:50:41
...pulls up chair. Waits for the 'But Edinburgh's immune' crowd.

...waits for the 'but Edinburh's Immune' brigade...

To whom I will say;

1 - I have a friend who put his property on the market in a very desirable part of the new town last November for £X. He has only just had an offer accepted and it is £x-22% (Last November his solicitor advised him £x was the market rate)
2 - Another friend has just put his flat on the market as he is moving overseas - It is a great flat also in a very desirable part of town. His solicitor told him he'll be 'lucky' to sell it and he 'might as well' have a go as someone might 'surprise' him and make him an offer - the solicitor said that he hadn't seen the Edinburgh market so bad - ever. He bought the flat 2 years ago and was told he'd be lucky to get much more than he paid.
25

SS,

03/09/2008 08:52:49
Apologies for my duplicate two sentances above. Its early for me.

For what its worth I generally think that house prices need to get back to the average of 3.5 x salary + 10% deposit. Crazy 6x+ multiples and 125% mortgages were a disaster waiting to happen.
26

Linda,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 08:53:02
22
Scotsman didn't report that Henderson's became third UK major company to move to Ireland this year due to its better tax regime.#UK the only G7 country heading for recession
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has claimed the UK is the only one of the Group of Seven leading industrial nations expected to fall into recession this year.
So much for Gordon Brown and Alasdair Darling's financial expertise. UK is bankrupt and heavily in debt.
27

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 03/09/2008 08:55:08
The 'offers over' method of selling property in Scotland has made life very easy those involved in selling property. They have been able to market property without having to place a proper value on it, leaving it up to the buyer to decide its worth. This has been very costly to buyers who have had to undergo the expense of surveys and employing lawyers to put in bids which have been too often unsuccessful. High time the agents were forced to do some work and actually work for their fees.
28

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 08:57:50
#25 SS

I'm not surprised. My neighbours bought a flat about 40 years ago for a price that was only a about 10-20 thousand pounds more than what it had cost to buy when it had built, 150 years ago. Then, in the space of 5 yeras it makes goes up in value by £200,000 odd. Anyone with even the slightest hint of a grasp of basic economics, let alone common sense, knew the rises in house prices couldn't last. It was a game of pass the parcel. Who was going to be saddled with the hugely overvalued property? Now we're going to find out.
29

Farmernot,

03/09/2008 09:45:17
Like all markets its down to supply and demand.
These new builds are grossly overpriced against older properties and its no wonder that a number of sites have stopped building. Markets go up and down....no doubt it will revert in a couple of years time. At least the drop may allow 1st time buyers an opportunity to get started.
30

Toom,

03/09/2008 09:48:55
#21 "If housing is such a corner stone of the economy, why is it not included in the RPI or inflation figures."

If prices continue to fall, it probably soon will be included.
31

Scars,

Hamilton 03/09/2008 09:54:04
#29 ... Indeed . well said, the real crazy thing is that people are surprised !!

A false economy if ever there has been one. Exploitation where nobody really wanted to admit that it was all virtual money in a system based around an ever decreasing market.

It will get even crazier when the time comes to pass down these private properties to next of kin et.

Land and property cant grow indefinitely. Once you saturate the market with a propotionate level of housing, and the next generation of owner inherit as opposed to buy, thats when the big truth is really gonna hit home. A houses value is not intrinsic, its market infalted by the greed mongers ! How much is it worth when the housing stabalises vis a vis poulation demand!

A process of moving virtual money, grossly over valued properties and all at the expense of the man in the street, whom is merely doing what he must to live--- put a roof over his head.

It is just another way of creating a truly false economy on a country wide scale. Eggs in one basket . for sure !

32

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 03/09/2008 10:07:36
-- Unless someone finds a new form of energy

Electricity's been around for a while and is most useful for powering everything from trains to kettles. Your question should be: has a new way of generating it been discovered and prototyped? The answer is Yes!

"This is what got me started in free energy technology — though I hate the term free energy, because it's anything but free. Many have paid dearly for its advent. I don't even know what term I like at this point. I use the term Zero Point Fluctuation Technology — ZP Technology."

Every Nation worth its salt, how Scots should run Scotland, should have a team of scientists and engineers working away at it and every serious newspaper should keep us informed. It's more difficult but I think you can teach a person science as you can teach them to play golf or a musical instrument.

Sensible Independent Nations may prove the way forward. Or do we leave this new and affordable technology for building stealthier bombers and death ray machines?
33

blackley,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 10:16:16
"People in edinburgh thought they were immune...." Rubbish!!! No one with half a brain has been thinking about buying or selling a house for months now. These lawyers and estate agents are a shower honestly and I hope they are suffering at the moment like the rest of us. somehow i doubt it!
34

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 10:22:36
#36 blackley

Exactly. The whole situation has been exacerbated in Scotland by the ridiculous offers over system. Is there any other nation on Earth stupid enough to buy its biggest individual asset and largest source of personal debt in a blind auction? All so estate agents/lawyers can take more of a cut. Hell mend us.
35

The Strategist,

03/09/2008 10:23:35
This isn't prices "tumbling"... A 50% fall is a tumble.. 6.5% is naff all!

However it's important we do remember who is responsible for this mess and it's not just Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling but includes Fred Goodwin from RBS, the boy Hornby from HBOS and the chief execs and boards of all the banks/building societies.

36

The Master,

03/09/2008 10:30:34
"The Scottish market is not immune from the downturn". Well blow me over! Who thought it was in the first place? A flat simailar to mine in Edinburgh has been on the market for six months and one similar to my Glasgow one for two months. Both are on low fixed prices.

Get real and get out and look around you for a change, Scotsman!
37

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

03/09/2008 10:37:30
#38 The main blame lies with US financial institutions in the sub-prime market. Offering mortgages to individuals who had little chance to pay back, often on the basis of self-certified incomes and house valuations, was always going to end in tears.

#39 I pointed yesterday that the falls are not consistent across the country not across different types of property. One friend, an estate agent, says that the flat market has collapsed as individuals buying see more value in a house. He also said that the size and location of properties was imprtant - 3-bedroomed houses - especially in the leafy suburbs - were still popular and shifting - not as quickly as before - but not the long waits that those with 2-bedroom houses or flats might have.
38

edinburghiscommon,

03/09/2008 10:59:45
wonder where's easy money and his one bedroom flat will be 218k in Edinburgh in 2010?? hmmm thought so....
39

Andrah,

Embrugh 03/09/2008 11:08:20
As an illustration of how the property market has moved I purchased my first home (a small top floor tenement flat off Dalry Rd) in 1969 for £600 cash. When the current inflated property bubble bursts any bets on what year prices will go back to? What is certain however is that projecting forward into the NEXT decade will probably see us off on yet another property roller coaster, ignoring or having forgotten all the lessons of the past.
40

expa,

Sydney 03/09/2008 11:49:18
The strategist - You don't have this in context - if the few houses which are selling are dropping 6.5% in only one year this is a huge tumble for which was an incredible Edinburgh market. You should be worried the ROI had less decreases over the past 2 years consecutively and they are now looking at a 35% drop in prices from the peak of the market 2 years ago to now. The Edi market was always steady however with the increased mortgage deals and demand it had subsequently boomed - 6.5% is a serious bust!
41

James.com,

03/09/2008 12:12:29
The few that are selling tend to be the better ones in their segment ie. more expensive;sold to buyers who have large deposits. This is seriously skewing the Stats. throughout the UK
42

Brian Ferrari,

03/09/2008 12:17:55
#44

Read what you have said. 6.5% over 1 year isn't anything like as bad as 35% over 2 years.
43

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 03/09/2008 12:21:31
Wasn't it Shrek who said recently that house prices in Scotland are more resilient, implying stable? Well, well.
44

JayDeeTee,

Up a gum tree 03/09/2008 12:22:41
So....if my hoose is worth less than my outstanding morgage will the government bail me oot?
45

Shave,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 12:27:08
#48 JayDeeTee

government = tax-payers, so no is the answer (hopefully).
46

guenevere,

03/09/2008 12:37:46
I was told that the "credit crunch" would not affect Scotland,apparently is has!
47

DaveK,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 12:42:25
But the Celtic Lion economy? Alex promised us and he was a banker (I think I've spelt that right)and knows what he is talking about.
48

guenevere,

03/09/2008 12:50:17
51. REALLY,you could of fooled me!
49

Drover,

The real world 03/09/2008 12:56:43
An important issue to remember in the calculation of the "average house price" is that sales figures now include considerably fewer lower valued properties formerly bought by FTBs. This has the effect of increasing the average figure, and concealing the true extent of the falls in value.
50

easy money,

brazil 03/09/2008 13:00:36
this is all hype...

i remember back in 1990 people told me property was finished...that generation went on to make a ton of money from property and still do from their rentals (flats were £25k in these days dont forget).....the doom sayers from these days are still stacking shelves in B&Q...

in 2010 the markets will begin to recover (interest rates down, liquidity up) and we'll see prices rise again...FTB's who suddenly think they are in for a bargain can forget it (a starter flat in the Georgie Ghetto's is still well over £100k)....by the time they've saved the deposit or dithered on a decision they will be buying in a rising market again.....

in 2018 one bed flats in this city will be £200k...
51

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 13:07:21
I have genuine sympathy for those who have bought property recently and are now facing a loss but the reality is that this was bound to happen. Annual rises of 10% or so are unsustainable when GDP growth and inflation are much lower.
Ever since the Dutch tulip bulb bubble in the 17th century people have fallen into the trap of thinking that markets are one way streets. In the nineties it was thought that shares in dot.com/tech companies were a sure fire winner (they crashed). Just a few months ago people were telling us that the price of oil would carry on rising (down 25% in two months). The same has happened to the price of gold.
52

Brian Ferrari,

03/09/2008 13:18:21
#54

And in the meantime how low will prices of these flats fall?

I'll bet on a rapid decline to £80K by summer next year.
53

The Spook in Leith,

03/09/2008 13:57:32
#22 Draco Was a Wimp,Edinburgh 03/09/2008 08:27:33
#18 The Spook

What the fe*k has the Union got to do with this? Considering the housing market in the Nats' beloved Republic of Ireland has slumped just as much, if not more, as well as the USA, Spain etc, etc, your comment was just fatuous. Or maybe I've missed some of your usual irony.

Excuse me wimp but what the fu#k has Ireland to do with my post ? oh and i am in the firm believe that any slump on house prices in Scotland is from a direct result to the over hyper market down south plus the retired economic migrants who move up from England to Scotland and Gazump other buyers offers, has lead to an artificial over inflating rise in the Edinburgh property market, well at least up until now.. Just like as i said, the Union dividend.
54

edinburghiscommon,

03/09/2008 14:03:55
#54 - you're a joke, one same argument day after day after day...ooh hold on i think i hear your Mum down the stairs calling you...
55

Andrah,

Embrugh 03/09/2008 14:54:51
#57 Suddenly a visionary presents further profound analysis on the subject to enlighten us. It is all caused by those nasty economic migrants from the over-hyped markets in Barrow, Bolton, Billingham, Blackburn and Barnsley etc inflating our prices in poor old Edinburgh and Aberdeen.
56

The Spook in Leith,

03/09/2008 15:07:04
#59

Really ?? and hear was me thinking it was the nasty old south east of England, now go and do your knitting
57

Rosscobhoy,

03/09/2008 16:19:57
One other thing that has pushed the prices up is the view that a home is there to be traded up, and not somewhere you are going to spend a long time in. If i bother buying somewhere then i'll make sure i look at something i could comfortably spend 15 or more years in(all going well) Any less than that is just a waste of time and money.
58

Andrah,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 17:12:18
#60 Ah, it's the South East that's nasty is it? Your geographic knowledge is masterful as is your command of English ---- "hear was me thinking".
59

Geed,

03/09/2008 21:40:57
What a shame, I like a good fight ( non violent of course), looks like the fight has been won. Nothing left to say really...Fools....you know who you are. Silly, ignorant people thinking Edinburgh was somehow unique...
60

Feenon,

Edinburgh 03/09/2008 23:35:30
This is such bad news.... I have a very irritating neighbour with a house for sale - now who will buy it???!!!
61

Buckfastleigh,

a field in the wide open 04/09/2008 20:44:30
Please do buy my house someone; I wish to realize so I can move to a tent in the park where I will not have to pay: mortgage; water, electricity, gas , telephone/TV/computer charges; council tax. Receive as I do 5Kg of junk mail daily plus unnecessary bills to pay? Do as I do and enjoy the further collapse of prices and the additional discomfort of greedy and overstretched developers and by the way don't bother to vote again as you might escape the electoral roll as well as jury service. Cant stand flies, ants, wasps and ticks so I will need to work out a strategy. Or perhaps become a Royal and move to Glamys.
62

J McAllister,

Edinburgh 09/09/2008 22:37:32
"Much-needed relief for first time buyers"?

Are the people who spout this nonsense all disingenuous shills or just ignorant fools? The best possible help for FTBs is to let the market drop to its natural level, which is around 30%-40% below where it is now. How does it help first time buyers to try to prop up prices artificially? By all means be capricious and unjust, but please don't lie so brazenly about whom these measures are intended to help, i.e. wealthy boomers, landlords, speculators and the poor idiots who were persuaded to buy in the last two years by a moronic cheer-leading media.
63

J McAllister,

Edinburgh 09/09/2008 22:51:35
"i remember back in 1990 people told me property was finished...that generation went on to make a ton of money from property and still do from their rentals (flats were £25k in these days dont forget).....the doom sayers from these days are still stacking shelves in B&Q..."

No, the smart doomsayers WERE the ones who went on to make a ton of money, refusing to buy at the top (or selling), keeping their powder dry until the bubble had deflated, anywhere from around 1993 onwards.

Anyone with half a brain will do the same thing now. Wait a couple of years, then buy at the bottom when all the idiots who were saying "property only ever goes up" for the last three years have started to say "property is the worst investment ever".

Smart bears are those who see when a market is overbought. Smart bulls are those who see when a market is oversold. The trick is to switch smoothly between the two modes, avoiding herd mentality. Be a doomsayer when doom is obvious, buy on the cheap when the badly-stung herd is in tears.
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J McAllister,

Edinburgh 09/09/2008 22:53:55
Actually, I should have said:
Be a doomsayer when doom is obvious TO YOU, having examined the fundamentals and engaged in independent thinking. Never listen to what newspapers say, or dinner party gossip. Those sources are always far behind the curve.

 

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