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Published Date: 16 November 2009
YOUR editorial (14 November) claims the SNP's opposition to Nato membership would "leave Scotland in unsplendid isolation". To support your claim you need to explain why Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria and the Republic of Ireland are "isolated" and what it is you think these countries are missing out on in choosing not to be Nato members.
These countries engage with Nato members on a regular basis. With the possible exception of Ireland, none of these countries are particularly faring any worse in terms of prosperity or quality of life than countries within Nato. Even in Ireland's c
ase, I doubt Nato membership would have saved them from their recent economic turmoil.

It's frankly ludicrous to suggest that Scotland would lose "a credible voice in defence and foreign affairs" simply by choosing to pursue its own defence and foreign policy rather than having it subordinated to the whims of Nato. On the contrary, by leaving Nato Scotland would gain credibility by not being part of an organisation which in the post-Cold War era has itself lost much of its former credibility. Nato broke international law and its own charter when it illegally attacked Yugoslavia. Over 1,000 civilians were killed by its bombing campaign there.

Tens of thousands of Serb, Roma and other ethnic minorities were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo by the KLA as Nato troops looked on and did nothing. This was the reality of Nato's "humanitarian intervention".

Scotland would put itself on the map and gain credibility on the world stage by leaving this organisation. What's more, given that Nato's latest military adventure in Afghanistan looks more likely than ever to end in defeat, the question "what is the point of Nato?" will become an increasingly relevant one in European politics over the next decade.

ANGUS COULL
Lanark Road
Edinburgh


The criticism of the SNP's long-established policy against Scotland being part of Nato always implies that the country would become a marginal player in any international initiative. While Unionist politicians shamelessly use Nato as a post-Empire substitute, they are never challenged as to why the SNP policy is parochial and wrong but the same policy adopted by Sweden and Finland is not, particularly when these two countries were more at risk from the Soviet Union than we were?

Afghanistan in all probability will break Nato not just because its members think that only it has right on their side, but also because without the active military involvement of Russia, China and India how can there be global legitimacy?

A non-aligned defence policy will be a pillar of strength for Scotland. What the world needs are honest brokers to solve the world's crises. Scotland can fulfil that role.

GRAEME MCCORMICK
Redhouse Cottage
Arden, Dunbartonshire


I am somewhat bemused by the statement from Labour MP George Bruce that for an independent Scotland to be out of Nato is somehow "parochial".

Former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari is a Nobel Peace Prize winner for his work on resolving international conflicts, and Irish forces are serving in Afghanistan in the international security assistance force without being part of Nato.

ALEX ORR
Bryson Road
Edinburgh


While watching the "anti-war" demonstrators in Edinburgh on Saturday protesting at Nato's very existence, I wondered if there had ever been a greater irony.

Nato has delivered an unprecedented 60 years of peace to Europe. Nato in the post-war years prevented western Europe from being overrun by the then USSR, an event that would have had Saturday's demonstrators shipped off to the gulags to think their thoughts or, more likely, be permanently removed. Nato has given them their right to protest. It defies belief that the SNP, if given the opportunity, would take "their" Scotland out of this, the most successful peace-keeping organisation of all time.

ALEXANDER MCKAY
New Cut Rigg
Edinburgh






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  • Last Updated: 15 November 2009 9:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Cynicus Unbound,

16/11/2009 02:13:18
Of course we should quit NATO. What on earth is the alliance FOR? The threat it was created to defend against has gone. This was cynically formulated by one UK diplomat as "to keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down."

What we are left with is a potentially disastrous "institution creep." Let us be rid of the damned thing. It is long past its sell-by date.
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 16/11/2009 06:55:55
"Nato has delivered an unprecedented 60 years of peace to Europe."

I must remember that, the next time someone claims it as an achievement of the EU.

"Nato in the post-war years prevented western Europe from being overrun by the then USSR"

The USSR was not well enough organised to do this. Today, Russia can't even control Chechnya properly.
3

McNasty,

Edinburgh 16/11/2009 07:20:05
NATO is a useless monster with many heads who seldom engage with each other. All Scotland needs is a self defence force trained up for national disasters and peace keeping. That should be part of Scotland's place in today's World.

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Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 16/11/2009 07:45:09
Sweden, Finland, Austria, Switzerland and Ireland are all NATO partner countries, like the Russian Federation. However, the demarcation lines are blurring. If there were an attack on any of these countries NATO would step in and defend it, because any such attack would threaten the safety of the entire continent. Neutrality no longer has the significance it once did. Security concerns us all, and there can be no security for any nation, large or small, in the midst of an insecure world.

The modern threats to security are many and various, and not all of them are susceptible to military solutions. In particular, nuclear weapons are now militarily unusable. The NATO missiles (French, UK, US) are no longer targeted on any country. There is now no reason for a Trident submarine to put to sea, and the fleet will probably be mothballed, not upgraded. Chapter 14 of the current NATO strategy defines the possibility of using nuclear devices as "very remote".

Europe has two major security organisations. In addition to NATO there is the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), with 56 member states actually the world's largest security institution, which played such a major role in ending the Cold War. (NATO has 50 member and partner states.) While it cooperates closely with military NATO, the OSCE defines security in a much broader sense, as can be seen from the range of activities it carries on from its HQs in Vienna and Warsaw. Membership of the OSCE would also be essential for independent Scotland. Europe consists of a good deal more than NATO and the part-European EU, and the prime essential for commenting on its affairs is to know what one is talking about.

 

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