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Published Date: 27 November 2006
IF SHEER bulk is anything to go by, fur is back in fashion. Once, after anorexia, fur was the most emotive word in the fashion industry. But if the industry is notoriously fickle, then it appears a growing number of its customers are even more so.
Can it be that few people now neither care nor want to know where the fur came from or, more emotively, how much suffering was caused to produce it?

A list of new statistics produced by HM Customs and Excise seem to suggest they do not. The figur
es show that more than 1,000 tonnes of fur, worth £41 million, was imported into Britain last year.

Those mink, fox and rabbit pelts and skins now form the basis of a market worth £500 million every year. The British Fur Trade Association (BFTA) claims sales of fur have grown by nearly a third in two years.

There seems little doubt that wearing fur has become socially acceptable again, so the question for organisations such as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) now is: Where did our campaigns go so wrong?

In the 1990s, in more animal-friendly times, PETA convinced five of the world's most beautiful supermodels to strip off their clothes and declare they would "rather go naked than wear fur".

It was the high-water mark of PETA's anti-fur campaign and, by securing the support of models with the celebrity status of Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford, Christy Turlington, Claudia Schiffer and Elle Macpherson, countless girls and women around the world turned their backs on fur.

Indeed, to say a fur coat was socially unacceptable in the 1990s is an understatement.

Back then, if a high-profile woman with a desire to appear fashionable paraded the streets draped in dead animals, she could expect to be pelted with rotten eggs - even if she was the fiancée of a famous England footballer.

But when Wayne Rooney's partner, Coleen McLoughlin, did just that two years ago, she was pelted with only a few cantankerous words from the tabloids, mostly complaining that her jacket bore the words "F***in' Freezing".

Concern over the comeback of fur is so great that the RSPCA and Scottish SPCA are mounting major new anti-fur campaigns next year.

A spokeswoman for the Scottish SPCA said: "In this day and age, it is unacceptable for fur to be used as a fashion statement. It seems just incredibly shallow and shows an utter lack of thought for the suffering of the animals killed to produce it."

Stella McCartney, one of the few fashion designers to eschew not just fur but also leather, told a newspaper: "There's nothing fashionable about a dead animal that has been cruelly killed just because some people think it looks cool to wear.

"The continuing use of fur is still a real problem in the fashion industry and there is an issue with people out there assuming that fur trim is fake when most of it is real."

Worse still for PETA, some of those in its original models line-up of 1994 have exercised a model's right to change her mind. Naomi Campbell's status as a PETA spokeswoman had to be axed after she modelled fur on the catwalk.

Meanwhile, British designers such as Matthew Williamson, Clements Ribeiro and Julien Macdonald have all worked with fur, while Kate Moss, Sienna Miller, Jade Jagger and Jemima Khan are just some of the high-profile London It-girls who have been photographed wearing fur.

At the moment, the high street is less gung-ho - Topshop, Hennes, Gap and Marks & Spencer all have an anti-fur policy.

Joseph is one of the few UK retailers to stock fur. It sold a rabbit fur coat to Cherie Blair recently, to the disgust of animal rights groups.

Louise Stevenson, of the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade, said: "I think it was absolutely disgusting. It's an abhorrent fashion statement to wear fur. People in influential positions should understand the impact they have on the general public."

However, that "sin" committed by the Prime Minister's wife appears to have made little impact on fur sales, which have been boosted by photographs of celebrities including Elizabeth Hurley, Beyoncé Knowles and Jennifer Lopez all wearing fur.

The International Fur Trade Federation has reported that global sales are up from £4.7 billion in 2000 to £6 billion last year.

The BFTA, meanwhile, claims that some 400 top designers now use fur, although finding anyone in the fashion industry to go on the record about being pro-fur is almost impossible.

PETA, however, is more than forthcoming with its comments. Anita Singh, a spokeswoman, said: "We know many people now buying fur are doing so unwittingly. If they knew most of the fur used in the UK comes from China, where animals are flung through the air in a rudimentary attempt to stun them before they are skinned alive, then their carcases - eyes still blinking - are tossed in a heap to be burned, I'd hope they'd choose instead not to buy fur."

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FUR
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DO not own a fur coat, but I do own a cashmere coat with a beautiful fox collar and a wool cape trimmed with sparkling mink. I have been working hard ever since I left school at 16, and I consider that I deserve these modest fur accessories. Fur is exquisitely warm, and extraordinarily comforting next to the skin. It is also natural.

I abhor deliberate cruelty to animals, but I am not a vegetarian, and I eat animals and the products of animals: I wear leather shoes and use a leather handbag, and if I were somewhat slimmer I might wear a leather jacket.

All these products - from chicken to handbags - come from animal husbandry, and I cannot see any moral difference in eating a piece of lamb and wearing a piece of fur.

Certainly the lamb, or the mink, should not be cruelly slaughtered. Certainly every sensible form of inspection and control should be exercised to ensure that such farming is done as humanely as possible. There may be merit in objecting to fur obtained from countries where vile suffering is imposed upon animals. But there are sources - particularly in North America - where fur is farmed under precisely the same controls as any form of animal husbandry.

As the anti-hunt lobby is partly fuelled by class hatred, so some of the anti-fur campaigns are driven by a Puritanical hatred of adornment. If the wearers of fur decided to put on a coat of rats' tails instead of foxes' tails, would there be the same violent objection? I think not. For no-one would object if ugliness was the outcome rather than enhancement.

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ERY year, more than 50 million animals are killed worldwide so that their fur can be used by the fashion industry; that is more than 130,000 animals slaughtered every day just so that someone else can wear their coats.

More than 30 million animals are bred and killed on intensive fur farms. They are kept in barren wire cages scarcely bigger than the animals themselves. The constant stress and deprivation can lead to self-mutilation. The animals are usually killed by gassing, anal electrocution or lethal injection. Others are clubbed to death or have their necks broken.

The fur industry goes to great lengths to hide the horrendous suffering involved, but undercover investigations have shown the brutal reality behind the spin.

An investigation into Chinese fur farming exposed a catalogue of cruelty inflicted on foxes, mink, racoons and rabbits. Investigators witnessed many animals being literally skinned alive.

In a desperate attempt to make fur appear acceptable to the public, the multi-billion pound fur industry gives pelts away free to fashion designers, models and celebrities. However, an increasing number of high street fashion retailers such as Top Shop, Zara and Harvey Nichols have gone fur-free as a result of ethical policies and/or simply a lack of consumer demand. This is a sign of the times and a reflection that, for the majority of the public, fur remains an unethical relic from the past that has no place in a compassionate society.



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  • Last Updated: 26 November 2006 9:02 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: PETA protests
 
1

fruitbat,

Netherlands 27/11/2006 08:01:00

I too agree that animals should not be cruely killed purely to provide an adornment, however, I have a handsome fur coat that belonged originally to my grandmother. I have friends who have similar heirlooms. In many ways it seems a total waste to allow these great garments to be "disposed of" when it is , I think more respectful to the animal to continue to appreciate the beauty of its coat.
If you look at the second hand market you will find any number of beautiful furs, which others have opted to clear from thier wardrope, going for very little money. The animals whose skins these represent are long, long dead. one can do little about the manner of their death so long ago but why should their legacy be that the furs they left behind are disregarded.

2

Cadgers,

Perth 27/11/2006 08:03:34

Time to get the paint out again PETA?

3

paulr,

27/11/2006 08:52:22

these morons need to go out and get a life, a new organisation should be formed 'People for the Ethical Treatment of People'

4

eric,

27/11/2006 10:45:29

Wheres Miss Hynde when we need her :P
Im Lovin It!

5

Dave,

Western Isles 27/11/2006 11:56:07

............and Jew haters Gordon.

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 12:19:34

I say yes to FUR just as I yes to STEAK!

Animals are lower down the food chain, too bad!

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 12:29:23

So you people think that is acceptable to have animals born bred and reared in captivity. Leading miserable lives in conditions that the RSPCA would bring criminal charges against...and most certainly the methods of death....can you not read or are you so lacking in compassion that this has no effect on you whatsoever?. Tell you what if you have a pet at home take a look at it...imagine someone attempting to strangle it and then giving up because they cant be arsed....step two, they then take out a big knife and start to skin it whilst your pet twitches and moans in agony...if its a puppy they start skinning from the paws up.

To state that "No one would object if ugliness were the outcome rather than enhancement" is crass stupidity and you are kidding yourself doll if you believe that. People who care about the suffering of animals include all animals regardless of how you classify them.....when you wear fur I see a once beautiful creature with a rather ugly wee human being inside of it....regardless if you are Kate Moss or Naomi Campbell, it reveals the person within.

Whatever gave you the impression Chairman Gordon that people got "sick" of listening to PETA campaigners?...this is not the case at all and they still have a huge amount of support from the public and the famous alike....as always when money is involved it is a battle to pursue the rights for and protect the most vulnerable....it is still being fought. Unfortunately lots of young women are daft enough to think that its cool to emulate women who advocate the abuse, torture and horrendous deaths of many animals....their limited vision means that they do not realise these creatures once had a life, and a right to it, just like them.

Fruitbat you can donate your fur to PETA who will then give it to rough sleepers who are in dire need of it. Keeping a fur coat means condoning the continued violence towards animals.

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 12:47:21

Doreen: You seem to think that wearing fur is a way of condoning cruelty to animals..If that be the case then eating steak must mean the same thing. As must a visit to the zoo with the kids, or the ordering of a hotdog at a stand in Hyde Park or anywhere else...

You need to get a life

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petrol head,

Edinburgh 27/11/2006 13:12:05

I can't see what all the fuss is about. As far as fur is concerned, the daft beliefs surrounding it in the 1990s was down to a minority of mis-informed lunatics who were inappropriately given a platform by the Labour party. This isn't the first time that this has happened and no doubt will not be the last.

At last it seems that people are coming to their senses and realising that the anti-fur propaganda is nothing more than meaningless drivel and should be treated as such.

Well made fur garments look absolutely fantastic and are warm and comfortable to boot. Those who say that animals are mal-treated in the production of fur are absolutely wrong and should stop ranting for a few moments in order to think about what they are saying.

If an animal is mal-treated, any vet will tell you that one of the first things to degrade is it's pelt. The fur trade is based upon that pelt being in as good a condition as possible. Given this it would be madness to mal-treat the mink etc.

Another thing that is total madness is when a gang of "animal rights" protesters break into a mink farm and let the animals loose. They are clearly too stupid to realise the damage that mink can do. A mink is not a nice cuddly little thing, it is a vicious carnevore which would not think twice about attacking sheep, cattle etc. As Basil Fawlty said about the rat, "...cuddle that and you'll never play the guitar again!", The same is true with mink.

I honestly believe that all this rubbish that is put about regarding fur is the product of jealousy. Remember, furs are expensive.

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 13:17:32

Doreen: The problem with you is that you want the world to dance to your tune...

Your pet hates must be everyone elses pet hates and if they disagree with you then you dislike them......Or insult them!

Animals are wonderful, there is nothing more impressive than seeing a lion chase down its prey, or a cheetah in full flight, a hoard of elephants out in the middle of the bush is an amazing sight , as is the roar of a leopard. But when it comes to fur who am I or indeed you, to suggest that other people can or cannot wear it?

Who are you to decide what people should eat? Who are you to decide what people can wear? Who are you to pass judgement?

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eric,

27/11/2006 14:18:05

If folk in Edinburgh want to wear fur coats and nae knickers:p

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 14:27:55

Media 1...I am sorry if I offended you NOT... it is not acceptable for you to post a wee patronising "you need to get a life"....did you think that that was inoffensive?...I am me pal...I have a right to voice my opinion, just like you, however much you take umbridge at it...Its called freedom of speech....??....I will continue until my dying breath to oppose animal abuse and if you do not like that....oh dearie me well I will just have to shut up and go and sit in a corner like a good little girl then eh?....heh heh heh heh heh heh. People are perfectly capable for deciding for themselves what they wish to eat or wear whether they wish to listen to me or not is their choice...do you understand what I mean here?

13......yes of course this is why they analy electrocute these creatures...it used to be a red hot poker but we have come so far with our compassionate methods..

If you wish to go onto the PETA website you will see for yourself live animals being skinned....if you find this acceptable then you are sick.

15...Why am I an 'anti-smoking fanatic'?....and why does this go hand in hand with being an 'animal fanatic'?.....there are loads of people who love animals that dont smoke...honest!
If people did not campaign for rights for these animals to be treated humanely and for an end to the breeding of them for their fur...what a callous world we would be living in.

14

Dave,

Western Isles 27/11/2006 14:37:01

Gordon

Hitler et al might have been animal lovers but they brutally murdered millions of Jews (mind you probably not to wear their skin even though there are tales of lamp shades, shoes and book covers made form the skin of Jews).

T'was my point and in no way digging at you. I just find it funny that such a man could happily slaughter millions of humans but not an animal?!

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 14:45:57

18....my previous 'anti-smoking' comments were tongue in cheeks but regretfully you seem to be smarting somewhat from them and I do hope...all of the other 'anti-smoking' posters too...not just little old me eh?.....the people who film these sick activities do so to bring them to the attention of the public...its called 'undercover filming' and you will find that it is used in a variety of different ways to expose a variety of different things..ie corruption, racism, fraud and thuggery....that way we can make people aware that these things are actually happening...its also called 'proof' or 'evidence'. Anti vivisection campaigners film the so called 'humane' treatment of animals in laboratories...the inhumane treatment of animals in zoos and the circus...if you would much rather close a blind eye, or really dont give a toss anyway...that as I have said...is your choice! animals do have rights...its just that you do not agree with it, or perhaps if I beat your dog it is you who is aggrieved because I have manhandled your property and not a living, breathing, feeling creature?

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 16:32:21

Doreen: I was not in the least offended by your comments, you did not treat me with the disdain you treat the rest. Then again, if you had that would not have mattered either.

I am not threatened by persons such as yourself. I am intellectually superior to people like you and I take great pleasure in reminding you that the WORLD eats millions of tonnes of meat a day because we have the right to do so. Just as your freedom of speech must be respected, so to must you respect my craving for choice angus beef, lamb,pork,veal,vennison and any other meat source I have the opportunity to eat.

There is a fantastic restaurant in SA which serves everything from Giraffe to shark,crocodile,goat,buffalo,ostrich,impala,kudu,Eland,Klipspringer,horse,rabbit,aligator etc...Excellent food and a great atmosphere! When you have eaten enough animal you raise a wite flag which stops the waiters from bringing you more..

You see, its my right to enjoy such pleasures and its your right to oppose them..Pity I couldnt care about your views though.

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Miss H,

27/11/2006 16:41:41

You may be intellectually superior to Doreen but you canny spell venison.

I hope you get eaten by a lion- probably your intellectual inferior but surely above you in the food chain.

18

Alexander,

Edinburgh 27/11/2006 16:42:32

The "nutters" are all too busy on global warming to bother about the fur trade!

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 17:11:45

Miss H: If we are to highlight spelling as an meausre of ones intelligence on an informal chat site then so be it. Spelling is usually reserved for editors, it is what they are paid for.

As far as view points are concerned, I tend to believe that people should be free to chose for themselves, which is probably along the same lines as Doreen's way of thinking to a point.

She states that anyone who wears fur is condoning abuse to animals. I disagree! I have fired a gun on many occassions, but I do not condone shooting people with them.

As far as a lion eating me is concerned. The chances are slim. I may live in South and we may have several game parks the size of Scotland, but outwith that it really is quite European. Google cape town and check it out...Tell me when your coming, I may meet up with you if your photo is welcoming enough.

Thanks for your comments

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Catharine,

Winnipeg, Canada 27/11/2006 17:23:43

Doreen, If you beat my dog, I will personally beat the living crap out of you - while wearing my fur coat. My dog is a far more intelligent animal than most so-called "intellectually superior" people. There is cruelty in the world. I do what I can, within my means, to choose ecologically sound products & services. But I live in Winnipeg. It is currently -20. Look at the calendar - it isn't even winter. I wear fur to keep warm. Throw a can of paint on me if you can - it will be too frozen to come out of the container!
By the way - fur is a natural product - no nasty polycarbons, not more crap to be tipped, and more importantly for me - it's warm!

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 17:45:25

Catharine # 26: Very well put, I wish I had the patience that you do with these people...

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Andrea,

Washington DC 27/11/2006 17:58:29

In China, where the majority of fur items are processed, the fur trade is considered a polluting industry because of all the carcinogenic chemicals used in the manufacturing process. So fur is not exactly a "natural product."

Also, some people assume the fur farming industry is regulated in North America, but in reality there is no federal or state legislation governing the treatment of fur-bearing animals raised in cages in the U.S. or Canada. In the U.S., the federal Humane Slaughter Act does not apply to fox, mink and other fur-bearing animals, meaning that the animals can be killed in any manner. Fur farms in Europe have little regulation as well. A comprehensive 2001 European Union study, ‘The welfare of animals kept for fur production,’ compiled by the Scientific Committee on Animal Health and Animal Welfare (SCAHAW), reviewed all existing scientific knowledge on the welfare of fur-farmed animals. The report concluded that the typical fox or mink cage does not provide for the most important basic needs of the animals. As for trapping animals in the wild for fur in North America and other parts of the world, both the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) and the American Animal Hospital Association have declared the steel-jaw leghold trap to be inhumane. The RSPCA has declared that there is no body-grip trap, also know as Conibear trap, or drowning trap which does not cause unacceptable suffering. In the 21st century, there is no justification for killing animals for fashion when so many alternatives are widely available.

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 18:04:04

Catharine....I may hand you an anti fur leaflet but I would certainly not throw a can of paint over you....do you know which type of fur you are wearing and how it was trapped?....do you care?...There was a hullaballo here over a certain chef slaughtering a lamb on tv....a lot of people were up in arms but a lot of people who eat meat stated that they want their children to know where there food comes from and how it is processed. I agree totally with this....especially halal and kosher...and I think that this should extend to fur coats....I think people should see their coat gnawing its leg off in a bid to escape a leg trap, or their coat squatting miserably in a cage...devoid of liberty and cowed...or perhaps the most coveted writhing to escape anal electrocution....or that old favourite...your lovely fox fur....moaning in agony as it is skinned alive. Media one I would bow to your intellectual superiority except...I would like to point out that when you buy a fur coat you more or less have paid to have the animal killed....now when you shoot a gun....unless you hit someone..no one is killed. I do not have to respect your point of view, just as you do not need to respect mine. Incidentally I think it is probably a good idea that you visit your GP...craving all of that meat would suggest an iron deficiency.

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Mr Gump,

Rural Canada 27/11/2006 18:08:38

The opposition to fur is simply another example of pencil-headed pseudo environmentalists telling others what to do because "they know what's best" for us.
If you are opposed to fur, then don't buy it but leave off those of us who want to keep warm.

The fur industry in Canada has flurished since the early 1600's and to this day provides almost the only income for tens of thousands of aboriginal people. Without the fur industry our native people end up as drunks on welfare, rotting away on some reservation.
Poor fishermen in Newfoundland depend on sealing to provide for their families and put food on the table; yet, the pablum puking euroweenies persist in damning an industry they know nothing about.
How would you feel if some one tried to rob you of your job and threaten your family?

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 18:18:37

Doreen: I get the point, you have never killed an insect, you have never eaten an animal, you have never eaten fish,chicken or been to a zoo and you are more inclined to get upset over the loss of animal life as opposed to human life..All to our own!

I like eating animals and I could care less who kills them.....I pay to have it packed and butchered and thats all I am interested in!

Yes I could chose to involve myself in the moral issues surrounding the topic at hand, but then if I did that I would be required to quiz myself on almost every part of humanity...Instead I chose to live the way we have been born to live and get on with it..ANIMALS are lower down the food chain and if not trapped in a snare they will sooner or later be mauled by animal higher up the chain than themselves..Deal with it

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 18:23:00

The world changes Mr Gump and people make it change.

Just what was it you objected to Media 1..the hotdog or the mustard?

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 18:29:22

I am dealing with it Media 1....when I hand out leaflets in the street...when I post here....when I join in debates....animals are lower down the food chain so what?.....ignore barbarity, cruelty and inhumane treatment by humans because...at some point they are going to die anyway???? yes that makes total sense.....to someone lacking in sympathy and compassion. There are many good people from many different walks of life campaigning for the better treatment of animals....

DEAL WITH IT

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 18:35:03

I think your commitment ito the topic at hand is to be comended..You believe in something and you are doing what you can about it...

But sometimes it is important to sit back and remember that this planet is home to over 6 billion people with different beliefs..MAYBE you should accept that YOU do not like wearing fur, maybe you should accept that YOU do not like eating animals, maybe you should ask yourself why it is that I am not out and about handing out leaflets that are pro fur, or pro meat...It is because I chose to live my way and respect that others may not want to eat meat or wear fur..Maybe you should try it sometime, its called respect.

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 18:46:57

My respect extends to other races and other species...animals have no voice Media 1.

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Catharine,

Winnipeg, Canada 27/11/2006 18:49:42

Actually, Doreen, I DO know where the fur I wear came from - part of my family is aboriginal - and they survive by trapping fur, hunting for their meat (when I'm lucky I get to share in that fantastic wild game - Yum!! and no nasty growth hormones, unnecessary antibiotics or BSE!!). Yes the world changes, but there are many people who live in areas that have no industry, no shopping malls, no arable land - check out a map of the world - half of Canada, much of Russia, Norway, Finland, Greenland, Alaska - these places are populated - not heavily, but people live there and have done so for centuries. They make their living in whatever way they can - and do a damn sight better job of taking care of the environment and animals than we "civilized" people. I believe in the ethical treatment of animals, give time and money to help in worthwhile causes - but not to the hysterical kneejerk reactionaries like PETA who apparently base their campaigns on "cuteness" rather than science.

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 18:53:16

Exactly: They have no voice, just the way it was intended..Therefore, maybe you should stop speaking on their behalf and focus on some of the more serious issues affecting our planet.......

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Mr Gump,

Rural Canada 27/11/2006 18:54:39

32 And who exactly are you Doreen that you know better than I? And what would you do with the 500 native trappers at Grassy Narrows in northern Ontario? Put them to work basket weaving?
Doreen you are typical pie-in-the-shy liberal who advocates positions, the ramifications of which you have no comprehension.

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flyguy,

canada 27/11/2006 19:01:49

Does anyone out there realize that fur is the greenest alternative? The production of artificial fibres produces some nasty waste products and consumes some non-renewable resources. I wonder how long it takes an artificial fibre article to compost and rejoin nature's cycle?

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Media 1,

Cape Town 27/11/2006 19:19:24

Doreen: I admire your conviction, but the energy you burn in a quest to be part of a fur free world is futile.

Your in no position to lecture any of us and I doubt you are qualified to discuss the topic on a level beyond that of the emotional...

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Wee Hev,

Doon Unner 27/11/2006 19:56:12

Doreen, hen, you need a good vigorous scuttling from behind, followed by steak and chips and several pints of beer, which I am sure you drink...the froth is made using a derivative from fish scales....

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Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/11/2006 20:51:35

Wee Hev...pray tell what is a 'scuttling from behind'...I think perhaps you are the one who has been imbiding of the fishy beer...which incidentally I do not drink. Media 1 you are in no position to lecture me because you are not the lofty intellectual sir that you purport to be...I doubt you are qualified to discuss the topic on a level beyond that of your personal opinion...as I do. So you eat huge amounts of dead flesh....oh yes I see your logic...you are indeed an expert. My energy and in which way I burn it is my business....whether it is futile or not is for me to decide and not some braggard. Incidentally if we were all to follow your logic aparthied would still exist in South Africa, homophobia, sexism and racism would go unchallenged and children will continue to be the victims of the sex tourist industry....many of these people not having a voice either due to being silenced. These are serious issues affecting our planet...as is the exploitation of other species.

Catharine just out of curiosity how do the trappers 'trap' the animals, and what is a 'worthwhile cause'?

Mr Gump...I have no idea what I would do with 500 odd fur trappers, I would hope that the government concerned would aid them financially in securing other means of employment or educating them to better their positions. Or even assist in resettlement if they so wish. I am aware of the high incidence of alcoholism with indigenous groups when their livelihoods are removed from them and hopefully governments have learned from past mistakes.

PETA are by no means perfect but they are working to make the world a better place for animals by raising awareness and campaigning. If you wish to shut your eyes, condone or hope animal abuse will just go away, that is up to you but dont expect all of your fellow human beings to follow suit...there are plenty people who have compassion.

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Steve here,

here 27/11/2006 22:27:49

wearing dead skin is creepy...if you think about it, but it's your coat. I prefer wool, but i don't think that makes me a better person because i'm wearing dead skin shoes (I have'nt found a good substitute yet). And there's no way i'm goona beat ma auld dug ;). I would prefer a world that did not rely on other animals for our benefit, keep at Doreen....it'll come in time.

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Steve here,

here 27/11/2006 22:47:25

I don't think animals have "rights" and i don't think you can legislate morality or compassion. It's up to the individual to do what they feel is ethical in regards to the treatment of animals. The more reaction against fur, the more people will harden their views about wearing it. I’m a vegetarian, but the last thing I’ll ever do is to tell someone what they should or should not eat. And if you want to wear fur…well, it’s your coat, fair nuff. It’s just the dead skin bit that makes it creepy to me. More compassion for anmials may come it future, i don't think anyone would have this debate 200 years ago.

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Willie Winkie,

China 28/11/2006 11:48:10

PETA are no more than a bunch of Nazi's who wish to force their views down the throats of others...... Animals are bred for fur - so what?? we kill animals on a daily basis for meat why not also to keep us warm...

There should be standards governing how these animals are kept but that is enough.....

I remember watching Babe followed nicely by a bacon sandwich - does that make me a bad person...??

Lets treat animals as humanely as possible but when I tuck into a nice t-bone or escalope of veal I am more interested in the taste than how 'bessie' lived her (or even his) life.....

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Chuckster,

28/11/2006 20:28:24

Animals are tasty and their furs are warm. I don't own a fur coat, because our temp. rarely dips to freezing, but I can see the appeal.

By the way I'm a big fan of PETA (People eating tasty animals). Here's the website http://www.mtd.com/tasty/


 

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