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Published Date: 16 February 2008
NO WRITTEN records have been kept about negotiations between 10 Downing Street and police over Tony Blair's cash-forhonours interviews, it emerged yesterday.
Mr Blair was questioned by detectives as a witness three times between December 2006 and last June.

As he became the first sitting prime minister questioned in the course of a criminal inquiry, his aides are widely thought to have warned police
that interviewing him as a suspect under caution would have forced his resignation.

Assistant Commissioner John Yates, who led the Metropolitan Police probe, told MPs in October he had been made aware of the potential "risk and impact" of his decision.

He also confirmed that there were contacts with Downing Street over when Mr Blair's diary would allow questioning.

But in response to a Freedom of Information request, the Cabinet Office insisted no correspondence concerning the arrangements had been located in either its "paper or electronic" records.

A spokesman for the department – which provides administrative support to No 10 – refused to comment on whether the records existed before but had been deleted.

"All we can say is that, for the purposes of the Freedom of Information Act, the information requested is not held," he said.

Angus MacNeil, the SNP MP who made an early complaint to police about the alleged sale of honours, said: "We have to remember, firstly, that there was no prosecution because the CPS did not believe there was a high enough probability of a successful action. But this latest disclosure does reinforce the feeling that there is more to all of this than meets the eye."





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  • Last Updated: 15 February 2008 9:20 PM
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1

Jimmy the Pie,

16/02/2008 00:14:13
Wonder if they'll do the same cover up for Wendy??
New Labour Sleaze and Corruption - rotten to the core.
Their time will soon be up
2

Seannair,

Oban 16/02/2008 00:15:55
Why on earth do you imagine that a record would be kept?
After all there was nothing to hide ; was there?
3

Eve,

Scotland 16/02/2008 00:19:23
Typical!!!!!!!
4

AJ Fife,

16/02/2008 00:50:00
Typical of all UK govts. The establishment looks after itself, and the senior Police Officers will get an OBE or two!

Labour, the Party of the People, my @rse!
5

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 00:50:46
Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah. Well thats a good enough response to the Britnat/Irishnat AM2.

Now go away you silly little man.
6

AJ Fife,

16/02/2008 00:51:44
AM2,

Aren't you rolling out the usual Nazi comparisons this morning, or did you get a slap on the wrist?

Probably a pat on the back, knowing this newspaper!
7

Jimmy the Pie,

16/02/2008 00:51:55
So you think the Government are squeaky clean then AM2?
Please enlighten us.
8

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 00:56:11
Blair did it and should be prosecuted by an Independant Scotland, for this and his coverup of Lockerbie, Lies to the Scottish People about WMD's and the death of 1.4 million innocent Iraqi's and Afghanistan people.

Perhaps the introduction of the death penalty should be applicable for both him and Gordon Brown, or we could simply deliver him to Iraq, to let them extract justice by making an example of them both.
9

george alexander,

north lanarkshire 16/02/2008 00:58:58
As there are only a few posts I'll make make a comment.

AM2 at No 4
It wasn't just the SNP who alleged cash for honours. There was evidence found, just not enough for a criminal prosecution. There was also a lack of co-operation reported by the officer in charge.

You are again singling out the SNP with your own brand of smears, whilst at the same time ignoring the clear evidence of corruption within the U.K. state.

You yourself have been guilty of fabricating allegations with no evidence whatsoever. Remember your false allegation stating that Mike Russell had made up the reason for speaking to sepa?

Remember your assertion that SNP supporters made up the story that Wendy Alexander had admitted that the law had been broken (despite the BBC reporting it).

You are a serial smearer, and it is only ever the SNP and it's supporters you smear......your own hands are covered in the mud that you accuse others of throwing.

My foray here is over.
10

Jimmy the Pie,

16/02/2008 01:07:23
#11 George Alexander.
Excellent post.
I think AM2 would like all critisism of his beloved New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party made illegall.
Press and public censorship worked fine in Germany in the thirties. Think we should go down that road AM2??
11

walter,

16/02/2008 02:01:40
I would like to say that I am shocked but I am not, on saying that I wonder if the FOI act would release all the records and minutes of meetings held by all in the Trump affair.
12

An Beal Bacht,

16/02/2008 02:09:28
14 - AM2, Glasgow,UK 16/02/2008 01:33:09

"The SNP - uniquely, it seems - appears to be fixated with “discrediting” its opponents."

Those would be the ones that set up the {now discredited) "Constitutional Commission" together?

13

Roberta Burns,

16/02/2008 02:26:44
There should, at the very least, have been a historical record kept of such a momentous occasion - being the first Prime Minister to be questioned by police on his role in a serious crime.

The whole government and legal system are making a mockery us, the voters, the citizens, the losers.
14

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16/02/2008 02:34:53
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Scott Webb*,

16/02/2008 05:52:32
AM2 is living proof that cloning is a bad idea :)
16

Wisnaeme,

16/02/2008 05:55:44

AM2, Glasgow, UK wrore:

" According to Google, the word "discredited" appears 552 times on the SNP's website, but only three times on the Scottish Conservative's site, Just twice on the Scottish Liberal Democrat's pages and not at all in Scottish Labour's site."


Aye well, perhaps Scottish Labour have a difficulty in understanding the definition of the word "discredited". Hence the scarcity of it on Labour's website, for why would folk use a word to define a state of being if they have no understanding of what it entails in the act of being discredited. Most other folk including the SNP appear to be perfectly aware of the practice and circumstances of not being discredited.

Perhaps Labour are of a mind not to mention the shhhhh you know what word just in case folk's attention is brought to bare on it and associate certain folk with it.

As in... Shhhhhhhhh. Don't mention the war.
.
17

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

16/02/2008 06:30:53
Even Ken's at it

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3378764.ece
18

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

16/02/2008 06:32:57
On a lighter note, I haven't heard Steven Spielberg say he is stopping using his plane or SUV's given they are fuelled with Saudi oil, after they are about to behead a woman on charges of withcraft.
19

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 08:04:58
“But in response to a Freedom of Information request, the Cabinet Office insisted no correspondence concerning the arrangements had been located in either its "paper or electronic" records.

A spokesman for the department – which provides administrative support to No 10 – refused to comment on whether the records existed before but had been deleted.

"All we can say is that, for the purposes of the Freedom of Information Act, the information requested is not held," he said.”

Apparently this convenient,(for Tony Bliar), loss of information equates to a “SNP smear”, or at least that seems to be the spin concocted by the risable AM2 consortium.

“I’m sorry, M’Lud, twas some geezer from the SNP that accepted all those bribes and awarded peerages in return. Saint Tony cannot remember anything about anything Gov.”

No doubt it would “not be in the public interest to prosecute” Bliar, Wendy, Peter Hain, etc, etc.

After all, it is obviously the fault of the SNP that the Labour Party is so fundamentally corrupt that they think that sleaze, graft, intimidation and criminality are all legitimate tools to fight the “Seperatists”.

20

brownlie,

Glasgow 16/02/2008 08:26:40
In a former capacity as a Trade Union Official I was involved in numerous meetings with Minister and, even at the most informal of meetings, minutes were always taken by civil servants - obviously on the grounds that any decision taken would be available for scrutiny in the future should that be necessary.

Following on from AM2's post regarding war crime allegations against Tony Blair I really do not think that many people, whether nationalists or unionist, are in any doubt that Blair took this country to war under false pretences and the devastation of lives and livelihoods in that poor country can be laid squarely at his door.
21

donald,

glasgow 16/02/2008 08:51:31
Funny how the Tommy Sheridan minutes were allegedly recorded?
22

John Jamieson,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 09:06:30
AM2 #14
I can only find 124 references to "discredited" on the SNP web site.
23

whitegold,

Shire 16/02/2008 09:33:43
Its so funny reading a Labour toadie defend a corrupt party.

As to Iraq. Blair deliberately lied and misrepresented WMD, for the simple reason that for the UK regime change was not a legal reason. We now know that the evidence for WMD was non existant - admitted in secret by Blair & Scarlett BEFORE the war.

It is no wonder that deputy head FO lawyer Elizabeth Wilmshurst resigned over the illegality of the war and said of the action that it was a 'crime of aggression'.

(Also interesting that Labour 'edited' part of her resignation letter that revealed Goldsmiths opinion of the war being illegal, which at the very last suddenly changed)

It isn't just individuals within the SNP who think war crimes have been committed - quite a lot of international lawyers feel the same, including some Labour MPs.

The above isn't meant to be a defence of Saddam. I've no problem with him being removed by force. But there is no doubt that Blair lied in order to do this.

24

Paddi,

16/02/2008 10:02:13
When the tide goes out you can smell the stench of rotting fish
25

Queen D,

Glasgow 16/02/2008 10:17:18
Why are we discussing the number of times the SNP use the word 'discredited' ?
I think the fact that NO minutes were taken and therefore NO record can be put in the public domain is highly suspect .
Indeed, I think in this instance, the whole system is discredited.
26

John Jamieson,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 11:03:54
AM2 #27
Sorry, not being very computer literate I just read the articles on the site and kept tally of the number of times I found "discredited". Your way is much quicker.
27

Linda,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 11:49:09
The only reason the Cash for Peerages failed is that Police thought there was cover up and many vital documents / emails were shredded or deleted.

Most people and parties would do the same once they knew they were under suspicion.

In reply to last post Labour introduced the rules but seem incapable of abiding by them.
28

shivago8,

livingston 16/02/2008 11:49:36
I ONLY HAVE TWO WORDS FOR THIS AWFUL CREATURE.
HYPOCRITE DICTATOR.
Sorry more words with his actions he now has millions of pounds and a large property portfolio.
29

Splashie,

16/02/2008 11:55:16
33. AM2, indeed. The problem could be the SNP objecting to sleaze and corruption in the London Unionist parties. Or perhaps the problem could be sleaze and corruption? Let us ponder for a moment what could give the impression of sleaze and corruption:

- Neil Hamilton taking bribes for parliamentary questions?
- Jeffrey Archer going to prison for perjury?
- Jonathan Aitken going to prison for perjury?
- Blunkett being forced to resign over expediting visas connected to his lover?
- Mandelson resigning over taking secret loans from a man his department was investigating for corruption?
- The Former Labour First Minister resigning over financial irregularities?
- 90% of all Labour donations 1998-2001 coming from people subsequently appointed to the house of Lords and the police saying Labour did not cooperate with the investigation?
- Labour admitting to breaking electoral law 120 times?
- A judge describing Labour election fraud a suitable for a "banana republic"
- Peter Hain resigning in face of criminal investigation for sleazy illegality in donations?
- Harriet Harman admitting illegality in donations?
- Wendy Alexander admitting illegality and being referred to the fiscal for criminal investigation?
- Blair's Ecclestone £1 million, the Mittal letter
- A Tory just found guilty of fraudulent expenses claims for paying his family for work never done?
- Labour taking £600,000 in donations illegally channeled through third parties, and the donor saying Labour officials advised him how to circumvent the law?


No, for the life of me, I can't see why anyone should be concerned with sleaze and corruption. You are right, the SNP are quite wrong to have mentioned the possibility of dodgy goings on.
30

Splashie,

16/02/2008 12:21:06
37. AM2. Please list the proven points or the ones you think are just "innuendo".

As for your seasonally averaged, statistically weighting of sleaze - hilarious. Labour and Tories are to be excused criminal sleaze because there are more of them? Priceless - would seem a good argument to have less of them, no?

With regards to London Unionist, this is an accurate description of these parties. They are headquartered in London, and regard the Westminster parliament as supreme. I regard to the sovereignty of the Scottish people as being more important.

31

Splashie,

16/02/2008 12:26:40
37. Strange the way you misquote Angus McNeil - he said that all this Unionist sleaze may give the perception the UK is not a wholesome place. As someone who has posted repeatedly on "perception" of sleaze surely you must understand that point?

32

Socrates2,

16/02/2008 13:03:53
and Blair never produced a resignation honours list
33

Socrates2,

16/02/2008 13:05:10
looks like the SNP have hit a bullseye in communication as it is right under AM2's skin :-)
34

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16/02/2008 13:12:33
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 13:21:19
10

You mean no other political party has exposed the many corruptions of new Labour quite like the SNP have?
Obviously the SNP cannot be tarred with the same brush thus giving them the freedom to persue these concerns publically.
Could it be because these other parties in particular the Tories are mired with the same corruption and thus have to keep their heads below the parapet as well?

Of course it is.
Imagine you not wanting to see corruption and sleaze at the highest level of government exposed now why is that then? are you not an ordinary concerned voter? dont you want to have a government that isnt corrupt and if corruption is found wouldnt you want it exposed?
Only somebody with very very strong ties to this government would want all of this to go away.
Would that be a fair description of you then?
36

karinxx,

16/02/2008 13:27:09
i always find it very amusing that the people who argue against certain ways of thinking or the wording of things are the very people who should be taking a long hard good look in the mirror.
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16/02/2008 13:27:16
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16/02/2008 13:27:21
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16/02/2008 13:27:25
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16/02/2008 13:27:30
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16/02/2008 13:27:35
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Eve,

Scotland 16/02/2008 13:30:21
#4 AM2,Glasgow, SCOTLAND, UK, Brittish Isle's, Europe, Northern Hemisphere, UN, world 16/02/2008 00:23:48:

Smears!!!!

NOT all smears are bad!!! If they are, my doctors been lying to me.

Smears indeed!!! You've done a great job today in saturating the days post with anti SNP messages!!!!!
Amazing Sheree genius, in considering this is about Toney Blair and only 1 member of the SNP is mentioned in it and he's right to cast suspicion on a cover up. Lord know most of us have long suspected that the Labour party are what they prosive themselves as.
43

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 13:32:36
37

How is proof definate possible when the control of the investigation is manipulated by the very people under investigation? The Prime Ministers office was allowed to dictate the terms to which his police inverview was to be conducted imagine if everybody could do that.
And no public records why not? whiter than white means nothing to hide.
And lets not forget that this Government supported the Met chief Blair when he was under investigation for the Menendez killing and thus placed him firmly in their debt or pocket.
White wash upon white wash upon white wash as I have said before the New Labour party are above the law of the land and you dont care or show the slightest concern or doubt that everybody but everybody else does. Says it all about you doesnt it?
44

Eve,

Scotland 16/02/2008 13:34:36
#45-49 Methalions the SNP campaigner: That interesting to know. Saying it once would have been sufficient!!!

BUT I predict that we'll end up with 5 post removed in a row, with the bright red ink.
45

Queen D,

Glasgow 16/02/2008 16:00:13
Good heavens!
That can't be the real Methalions, he usually mananges some clever little drawings but not five in a row.
46

whitegold,

Shire 16/02/2008 16:19:16
AM2
Labour's sleaze makes the Tory sleaze of the declining Major years to be positively whiter than white and honest.

Labour ARE discredited. Trying to spin this to criticise the SNP for pointing out the obvious is like criticising someone for pointing out the obvious about Hitler.

Defending the indefensible does make someone a toadie/apologist. There are probably SNP toadies as well - I don't deny this - as for me I'm just amused by the Labour 'toadying' here.
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16/02/2008 16:28:46
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16/02/2008 16:52:35
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Observer. 1,

16/02/2008 17:46:22
I do not believe that no note was taken. Iit was an investigation. I would have thought they might have taped it. I wonder what is being hidden here. BTW Wendy Alexander and her team did admit that the law had been broken it is clearly nonsense to try and pretend that she didn't break the law, she just wasn't prosecuted for it.
50

Queen D,

Glasgow 16/02/2008 18:37:04
Definitely a fake. Otherwise he must have been indulging in rather a lot of sangria.

Leave the erudite Methalion alone you stupid person!
51

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 16/02/2008 19:07:47
I am intrigued as to what the AM2 consortium have to say about the impending Kosovo declaration of independence.

Surely this entity is too small, too weak, lacking in direction , maybe racist, be better off by being ruled by superior intellects, and lacking in economic nuance.

I note that the Republic of Ireland is not exactly clamouring to rejoin the UK.

Why do you think this is ?

52

 Ayrshire Scot™,

16/02/2008 19:12:03
58. Queen D, a fake and a very bitter mentalist it seems. Spare a second to have a wee laugh at his silly postings and marvel at the degree of his obsession with Meths.



53

Lady Muck,

The Drawing Room 16/02/2008 20:37:49
I would hardly draw attention to the Kosovan situation if I was a Nat.
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Roberta Burns,

16/02/2008 21:14:03
10# AM2 says '...the SNP’s stock tools are manipulative rhetoric and snide innuendo, with the occasional spurious allegation for good measure.'

AM2, If these were purely rhetoric and innuendo, they could have been easily countered by honest comment and proof positive. As it is, the more digging that's done, the dirtier Labour proves to be.

Bliar's interviews most certainly should have been recorded by civil servants, if for no other reason than historical record. He is, after all, the first sitting Prime Minister to be interviewed by police in the course of a CRIMINAL enquiry.
56

democracy,

Scottish Borders 16/02/2008 21:35:40
#10, AM2, I was positive you were describing New Labour to us all in your #8 diatribe response post, but to my astonishment , it was aimed at the incumbent administration, much, much more effective and popular than the previous, has been, failed administration.
57

democracy,

Scottish Borders 16/02/2008 21:40:21
Unrecorded eh? Other than AM2, why are none of us surprised??
58

democracy,

Scottish Borders 16/02/2008 21:51:00
Blair, the worst PM this Island has ever experienced and will be collecting his £63,000 p.a. pension for the rest of his life still being paid for by the British tax payers on top of the £1/2M salary some ignorant bank willing to pay for his war mongering services when in fact he should be rotting in prison for his war crimes and his blatant corruption in British political life.
59

Canny Mann,

29/10/2009 12:44:13
When political regimes fall they burn thier records, to hide thier crimes.
In the halls of power within Westminster there is a Cabal,who use deception as a weapon against thier opponents and the people. If this was not the case then there would be no understanding or use of the word "Spin".
Technical babble is still babble. Tony Blair is a lawyer. He knows the law and how best to counter or avoid its consequences. To defend himself he plead the case, where the office of Prime Minister IS above the law. Any PM would be required to resign his office, becoming a "joe bloggs" in order for the law to follow its course. Blair knew there was insufficient evidence to guarentee a successfull prosecution. Every word of answer to a police question would have been very carefully considered before uttering(Blair possibly accompanied by a legal advisor, senior civil servant or team). Every word would have been recorded and kept, until such time as no proceedings were assured. The records could then be destroyed, thier existence "officialy" denied due to them being "private notes" rather than defendants "statement" had there been a prosecution.
As posters have said already in other threads, (nothing sticks to teflon Tony).

Brown backs Blair in former UK prime minister's quest to become EU president. Hahahahaha the sleaze team go continental.

 

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