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Published Date: 28 January 2008
By HAMISH MACDONELL
SCOTTISH ministers hit back last night over claims they had stepped in "inappropriately" to save a leading SNP donor's £80 million development.
Labour has raised questions over the Scottish Government's role in the proposed expansion of Aviemore Highland Resort, whose chief executive, Donald Macdonald, is an SNP donor.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, contacted Holyrood's chief plann
er last month after a planning application was delayed,

due to concerns raised by the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (Sepa).

Mr Salmond approached the chief planner and Mike Russell, the environment minister, contacted Sepa after being asked to help by a cross-party group of MSPs and MPs.

Sepa later withdrew its concerns and the development was approved.

Andy Kerr, a Labour MSP, said Mr Salmond should not have become involved in the planning application and that his intervention was "inappropriate".

Yesterday a spokesman for the First Minister insisted Mr Salmond had acted properly.

"Rapid government action potentially saved hundreds of jobs in the Highlands and enabled a decision to be taken on an important economic development," he said. "To any right-thinking person, that is a matter of pride and achievement."

He said the suggestion Mr Salmond had been influenced by Mr Macdonald being an SNP donor was "absurd".

• The First Minister has been asked to intervene to help save Europe's biggest on-shore wind farm. An informal meeting of Western Isles councillors voted at the weekend to write to Mr Salmond, asking him to step in to save the 176-turbine development on Lewis.



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  • Last Updated: 27 January 2008 9:41 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Political Funding
 
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28/01/2008 00:21:38
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Arrow,

edinburgh 28/01/2008 00:26:40
an element of straw clutching methinks?
ALL MP's write and phone planning departments if a matter is brought to thier attention by constituents. it is their job. perhaps Labour members don't and that` says more about them than it does about the others. but now if they do they are likely to keep quiet. may i suggest that everyone with a planning grievance writes to their MP and MSP and see what their reaction is. they shouls respond and let you know what they have done and what the result is.
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28/01/2008 00:58:53
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Richardinho,

28/01/2008 01:01:15
'Mr Salmond approached the chief planner and Mike Russell, the environment minister, contacted Sepa after being asked to help by a cross-party group of MSPs and MPs.'

Is this how it works;

Labour get together with the other parties and ask the first minister to help with a seemingly deserving cause.

Later on same Labour party use this to accuse him of sleeze!

unbelievable!

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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 28/01/2008 01:09:26
It seems as if the Blessed Alex might not be averse to a wee bit of string pulling.
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Richardinho,

28/01/2008 01:12:25
#8
Every day there's an anti-SNP story in 'the Scotsman'-which turns out to be a load of rubbish.Why should this one be any different?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 28/01/2008 01:17:47
#10 Don't read it then!
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Nikostratos,

28/01/2008 01:20:51
Another inquiry must be held forthwith and the First Minister ordered to explain his reason for this unwarranted interference in a planning application 'AGAIN'.


The man is a serial offender cant see a planning application from an snp donor without making sure it is expedited asap.

Might as well get himself appointed to the head of planning committee and have done with it.
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Richardinho,

28/01/2008 01:25:42
#11 these days I only read it between the lines.
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Richardinho,

28/01/2008 01:26:32
#12 Do any of those matter?
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Edward,

28/01/2008 01:27:47
#12 & #13
THe Scottish Government were asked to intervene by Labour and Conservative MSP's, how difficult is that to understand ?
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Richardinho,

28/01/2008 01:43:26
I'd like to know if when those Labour msps approached the government whether it was actually their intention to try and 'trap' them later on?

It doesn't say much for them if this is how they spend their time as MSPs. Not helping out their constituents, not forming policy, not even trying to carry through bills in a minority run parliament-but diverting all their energy into trying to perv-ert the good government of the Scottish people.

Shame on them.
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28/01/2008 01:47:25
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 01:50:54
17 - Perverted - that's a good description of the unionists tactics - aye!
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Dawn of the dead,

28/01/2008 02:30:49
There is a pattern to Mr Salmond's behaviour. He is making a nasty habot of this.

I think plebs that have snot running down their faces and vote for Labour or SNP should be educated.

They are as bad as each other and we (the deserving productive workers with an education) deserve neither.
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Nikostratos,

28/01/2008 03:39:37
#18

Cheeky boy.................
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 03:39:48
20 - Gollum says Gandalf Salmond has a lot to answer for and should stop making nasty Hobits!

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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 03:40:40
Sorry that should read: "Hobitses".
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 03:42:55
Niko - you gonnae let him git away wae that?
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 28/01/2008 03:46:45
Gandalf and Hobbits now I know you have power and knoweledge
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 28/01/2008 03:54:59
We need your insight and how to turn our lives around please help Its only you who can save us from our ignorance or we may vote the wrong way
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 04:01:57
26 - Willie Macleod, Wick 28/01/2008 03:54:59:

Ye get nuthin fur nuthin Wullie - whit's yer oafer?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 04:06:05
Wullie's playin "chap door run away"! Nae guts these yins.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 28/01/2008 04:21:35
18 a proud doonhamer, Spot on mate, AM, the words boil and heed come to mind!
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 28/01/2008 05:18:47
#28 No I didnt I am here and on the other thread lets debate
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 28/01/2008 05:20:17
#28 Are you still there
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 28/01/2008 05:30:43
Can ye no debate way a dirty weeker or wicker which ever you prefer Yours with respect Willie
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 28/01/2008 05:35:56
For those outwith Caithness Dirty or dirdy is a term of endearment
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 28/01/2008 07:30:45
The attempts to smear Alex Salmond by the Labour and Liberal Parties knows now depths and while to date it has been pathetically ineffective despite the best efforts of the Unionist media only further highlights their incompetence.

Nvertheless it would seem to me than when it becomes possible for s Scottish newspaper to write a report like the one above which "omits" to mention the most salient point that the First Minister and the SNP minister were acting AT THE Request of several MSP's from all parties who had written asking them to do so, then surely it is time for the Press Complaints Commission to get involved. The alternative is to end up with a stalinist press!
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 28/01/2008 07:50:10
Quote from a Sunday paper - Rhoda Grant MSP the local Labour MSP said she knew little of the planning application before the meeting, and said she had been invited to the gathering in order to provide Ewing, the local MSP, with political cover. "We knew we were there at the meeting for some reason. I don't know why. We were providing cross-party support of some sort," she said.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 28/01/2008 08:11:57
any kerr who would believe a word that comes out of that babbling buffoons mouth after his performance on the politics show on sunday,he is an embarresment to scottish politics, if he believes he is the sucessor to bendy wendy, the snp must be in fits of laughter behind closed doors,and god help the people he represents
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/01/2008 09:28:49
#8 AM2. Not so. I believe there was cross-party representation at the meeting. This has been confirmed by those who attended.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 28/01/2008 09:50:35
Can't wait for the publication of the letters from the MSPs involved!
Looking forward to the lady from Labour who can't remember why she was there or indeed why she wrote the letter.
Egg,Face ,ON!!
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Shireman,

kilspindie 28/01/2008 10:00:59
Pretty desperate stuff from AM2 and his fellow unionists yet again. I dont expect any politician to be perfect, but to keep comming out with crap like this is just unbelievable, or it would be if it wasn't actually happening. Once again my work yesterday allowed me to gauge opinion from a variety of folk (about 20 in all) and there aint a lot of sympathy out there for all these attempts to de-rail a government that folk are generally quite impressed by. Given that the SNP appear to want to run the country like it is one, they might have expected more support from fellow Scots instead of this continual petty jibing. You can smell the fear. Why would Scots not want to see the prospects for Scotland improving and its confidence increasing, why instead would they rather see Scotland as a subservient resource cow to an ex-empire which is rapidy becomming irrelevant in today's world, WHY?
This government is continuing to win the hearts and minds of right-thinking Scots everywhere, and its largely thanks to Andy Kerr, Nicol Stephen and their ilk. Keep up the good work lads, London luvs ya.
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HEN BROON 5,

28/01/2008 10:11:38
Here we go again. The Brit Nat cyberactivist rule book...

1. Any and all allegations against SNP politicians are to be prejudged as true. Allow no dissent.

2. No allegation against any Brit Nat politician is to be entertained. Deny, ridicule and deflect.

AM2: Your so-called "facts" are just a rehash of the Brit Nats claims.

You had your ar$e well and truly kicked on The Herald yesterday but you come back here for more and more, the mark of the professional fanatic. Perhaps you can resuscitate Robert and Graham to cover your back with their pathetic whimpering about bullying, what a laugh you are. This is a nothing story set up by nothing people, who are getting more desperate by the second.

ALBA GU BRATH.
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Jimmy the Pie,

28/01/2008 10:18:06
AM2, Various rambling posts.

Last week you said you're lack of comment on the Wendygate issue was that you wouldn't become involved in trial by media!!
Reading your drivel above shows you must have changed your mind?
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weh,

28/01/2008 10:18:25
EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!

SENIOR SCOTS POLITICIAN FACES PUBLIC ENQUIRY AFTER HIS CRIME OF BRINGING JOBS TO HIGHLANDS AND ABERDEEN SHIRE!

A UN spokesman said "we failed to realise that Western Europe harbours a "Country" which has the political attributes of North Korea or Albania."

He went on to say "I am unclear where this country actually is, but I believe a large part of the population emigrate."

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HEN BROON 5,

28/01/2008 10:20:35
44 george alexander,north lanarkshire 28/01/2008 10:06:35


"I repeat that Scottish Labour are out of control and are abusing our democracy. They are corrupting governmental process and are in danger of causing damage to parliament, the economy as well as the nation's reputation."

Exactly right George they are now showing there true colours to the people they claim to care so passionately for. Andy Kerrs face on TV yesterday was pure panic and desperation, when Mike Russell said that all the correspondence was to be put into the public domain.
The more you look at this the more it stinks of an attempted set up by Liebour to take the heat of Wendygate so that the EC can bury the scandal.
Liebour are now exposing there malevolent wicked underbelly that has ruled Scotland for 50 years, they just do not know how to behave in opposition so they cry on as if they are in power abusing and perverting to get there way, they are doing themselves more damage than the SNP ever could.

ALBA GU BRATH.
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weh,

28/01/2008 10:23:51
Andy Kerrs face on TV yesterday was pure panic and desperation,

Can this be seen on u tube?
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Jimmy the Pie,

28/01/2008 10:27:46
Watched our Great Leader, Broon, on tele yesterday and thought would I buy anything from this man??? Would you??? Shifty would be a good word to describe him. It's the eyes and that put-on smile that give him away.
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Rasco,

Inverness 28/01/2008 10:39:00
All correspondence will be put in public ,where can I see this but will MSP Grant give her permission for her letter to be made public.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 28/01/2008 10:46:08
Interesting comment on this in the Aberdeen Press and Journal, also interesting news about Mr Ford.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 10:58:05
Where does it say that Alex was even aware that Macdonald was a donor to the party? He’s a busy man and can’t be expected to get involved in day to day minutae!
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 28/01/2008 11:19:18
AM2 It certainly is the case that "innocent until proven guilty" must be the rule of law. But tell me if one declares their guilt why must there be a delay in proceeding with the legal process? An Electoral Commission, as you are well aware, is a tactical avenue by politicians to delay the process in order to cicumvent the law. In each case ALL evidence must be given to the COURT. In Blair's instances this was not done. The judges remit in the enquiries was predetermined by politicians to KEEP THEM OUT OF COURT. In Scotland (Skye Bridge and Lockerbie) evidence was denied by politicians and previous legal opinion was prejudiced.
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ddmc,

28/01/2008 11:44:31
Am2 , did Joke McConnell never invite labour donors to dinner ? or was it just his holiday buddies the Wark's
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Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 11:46:16
#59 Jackie Priest: AM2 a “raving nationalist”? Just what is it about him that gets your goat then?

#62ddmc: the warks are paupers compared to the Souters. At least we're in with the real money! McConnell was playing in toy town.
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Alfie Bett,

28/01/2008 12:02:05
Labour just seem intent to try and cause trouble for this government at every turn, irrespective of the consequences to Scotland caused by their malice, but invariably they fail miserably when their accusations are examined.On the politics show yesterday, Andy Kerr, labour's heid numpty in waiting said Salmond's involvement was inappropriate,the fact that a cross party group had made representations to Salmond to get this application chased up did not seem to register with this dullard. Salmond followed the correct protocol and passed it to the environment minister Mike Russell who also on the politics show explained in detail the application process which had indeed followed protocol to the letter
Since the Scottish elections the labour party have shown themselves to be real nasty pieces of work and I'm ashamed to remember at one time I actually used to vote for these creatures.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 12:04:44
#64 Alfie Bett: you're being counter productive by insulting the Labour Party, who are traditionally the party of choice in Scotland. If we are to effect any kind of breakthrough, this is not the path to take. I myself am happy to admit that I voted Labour for many years until recently and that, under certain circumstances, they will get my vote again.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 12:09:22
63 Fakey, hello.

Strange that key parts of this story are missing. Where is the further detail on Labour MSP Rhoda Grant, who attended cross party meetings on this development, and along with Mary Scanlon Conservative MSP, wrote to the FM and Minister demanding action - now Labour are unhappy that any action was taken? Weird. Weirder still that Rhoda Grant now says she knows little about it.

Really a rather pathetic attempt at further deflection by an increasingly desperate and self destructing Labour party. What is the actual allegation here - that the FM followed up a request by passing it to the Environment Minister who asked SEPA if there were process issues? So what?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 12:12:56
65. Fakey, I think you rather ruined it there. Unless Labour are going to resurrect the 750,000 civilians dead in Iraq, reverse time and undo 50 years of sleaze, failure and under achievement in their hegemony of Scotland, rediscover the principles sold off for Tory votes, oppose a new Trident, and treat Scotland with respect (A "narrow, racist country" was how Labours most senior adviser in Scotland described us I think) there is little chance of my voting Labour.

AM2 - what think you of this Unionist form of contribution to debate, so keen as I know you are to critique all forms of contribution on here?
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Logie Almond,

28/01/2008 12:18:26
Salmond's excuse in the Trump case was that he was acting as the local MSP. He certainly isn't the MSP for Aviemore...
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Martin Kersland St,

Glasgow 28/01/2008 12:21:03
60 #AM2

Is this a blatant lie????.......couldn't possibly comment!!!
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Ayrshire Scot.™,

28/01/2008 12:22:52
#67 Ayrshire Fakey (with the hard space): you’re a Bennite then! He’s still in the Labour Party anyway. As to AM2, no doubt you’re angling for a reply from one of his many fakeys: we all know that he returned to his cleaning duties about half an hour ago.
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Alastair the First,

28/01/2008 12:27:28
AM2 is currently tied up with solving problems arising from the credit crunch. This is because he's a MERCHANT BANKER. At least that's what I was told he is. By this cockney chappie.
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BMeister,

28/01/2008 12:31:35
68 Logie Almond

'He certainly isn't the MSP for Aviemore...'

No he isn't, and there is no implication anywhere that he is. His actions werte in response to a request from Highlands and Islands regional MSPs such as the Conservative's Mary Scanlon and Labour's Rhoda Grant who do have this as part of their constituency. seems like a piece of contrived nonsense to me.
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Miss H,

28/01/2008 12:34:48
68 No he isn't the constituency MSP but funnily enough local MPs and MSPs - including Labour, Tory and Lib Dem members - wrote to him and asked him to get involved.

For those who missed Labour MSP Rhoda Grant's comments yesterday let me repeat them.

She was responding to the fact that she had written to Alex Salmond asking him to get involved after attending a meeting with other Highlands and islands MSPs with Donald McLeod of MacDonald hotels. However she told the Sunday Herald that 'We knew we were there at the meeting for some reason. I don't know why. We were providing cross-party support of some sort.'

As excuses go that must be the lamest I have ever heard. You could not make it up. It is not an original thought - but Labour really are in meltdown!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 12:41:42
74 Miss H

a bit harsh? Who among has not attended meetings, the purpose of which escapes us so we attend for no reason, and then written letters to ministers about the very subject of the meeting we didn't know the subject of, and then met with ministers on the very subject of the other meetings we know nothing of, and then denied we knew much about any of it?

There could be many reasons for Ms Grant attending various meetings, writing to ministers demanding action and then not knowing anything about it. Perhaps Ms Grant is a narcoleptic, semi-somnambulist or perhaps a very life like puppet?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 12:42:28
75 You are half right at least (63 is a unionist fakey btw)
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mac1888,

28/01/2008 12:50:42
http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 28/01/2008 12:51:11
AM2 It was just a matter of time before the recent "spin word", IMPERMISSIBLE would be stuffed into the excuse mode of Wendy's supporters. Did Gordon Jackson dig this one out to confuse the jury, JO Public. You know very well that one is a euphemism for ILLEGAL. And I'm surprised you have fallen for that one.The Electoral Commission is not a legal court and is only an advisory group of chosen "worthies".
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 28/01/2008 13:02:19
AM2, your being far too modest, you know how to play the 'game', (as Nikostratos calls it), like anybody else and are prepared to do so.

Take your 'top three donors to dinner,' bit, are you really expecting us to believe that someone like yourself who seems to have links going back to when Gandy was a boy, didn't notice that when that was in the news, it was also mentioned that there were others present, like David Murray, and you would hardly catch him singing Flower of Scotland.

It's the same with your bit about Stuart Stevenson, to avoid 'the appearance,' of a conflict of interest.

It just depends where you put the emphases.

Then of course there is the article, the one which Mike Russell, the well know English nationalist, said he was more than happy to, not just talk about, but to publish any letters regarding the same as well.

He also reasonably pointed out, (but maybe you missed it), that when anybody raises concerns of whether any body under his remit is functioning properly, it is his job to look into it.

Then of course you make no mention, far less criticism of a Labour msp who publicly admits that she went to a meeting and then says she didn't know what it was about.

Nor do you mention the other take that could have been made of this story, if things had been slightly different, SNP Government does nothing as contract withdrawn, due to bungling of Governments own department, 30 jobs lost, Salmond warned but did nothing, Mike Russell sits on hands.

“I even took time of my busy schedule to go along to meeting in support of project,” says Labour msp.

“Salmond was approached and did nothing’” says msp Rhoda Grant.

We can all picture what the headlines and unionist’s posts would have read like then, and you would have been right amongst them.

As for us Nats using these posts and others, if you have an ounce of honesty in you, then you will agree (with the obvious) that the media in Scotland is largely under unionist control when
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 28/01/2008 13:03:48
AM1(cont) As for us Nats using these posts and others, if you have an ounce of honesty in you, then you will agree (with the obvious) that the media in Scotland is largely under unionist control when it comes to reporting and there is no other medium by which Nats can fight back.

Honest reporting and analysis of the news would mean there would be no need for Nats to jump to the defence of the party we support.

Surely I don't have to have to put out that link to Murray Ritchie’s speech on media bias again do I, you will have read it.
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28/01/2008 13:15:44
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28/01/2008 13:21:02
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 14:22:02
85. Meths

what were they? Fakies probably?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 14:33:02
88. Oh, yes, I remember now - you AM2 was not a banker but was a second rate polemicist? Why that deleted when all sorts of vile posts from unionists remain?
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george alexander,

north lanarkshire 28/01/2008 14:38:57
I wish to be clear about something here. Although I tend not to visit this site I am appalled by the suggestion by AM2 and other posters that attacks on the SNP from mainly Labour should not be vigorously scrutinised and defended.

That these attacks are based on loathing and suposition makes it all the more important to show them up for what they are.

The SNP will make mistakes on many issues, they are only human. However what we are witnessing just now is something altogether different.

Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to detail three areas of this particular thread of debate where I believe AM2 has lied. His comments below were taken from The Herald.

AM2 wrote:
"What “breakdown in communications”? That smacks of spin."
This is a downright lie from AM2. The breakdown in communications was claimed by the cross party group that initiated the involvement of ministers, not spin from the SNP.

AM2 wrote:
"Basic scenario: Sepa was concerned about possible flooding on the site. The First Minister prompted his Environment Minister to contact Sepa to question them about their stance and then, within days, Sepa withdrew its concerns."

Two blatant lies here, the request that ministers contact SEPA was prompted by the cross party group, not Salmond. Salmond was acting at the groups behest.

Mike Russell was indeed asked BY THE SAME CROSS PARTY GROUP to speak to SEPA about SEPA’s stance. However Mike Russell had to inform the group that he could not do that because it would breach ministerial rules. Russell informed them that he could ONLY speak to SEPA on matters of process.

I ask AM2 to acknowledge that these allegations are false.
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28/01/2008 14:41:20
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 14:51:05
This is starting to look like the Republican witch hunt against President Clinton. If they are following the same script we can expect them to trot out a chubby lassie with a stain on her dress ... any minute now!
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GP,

28/01/2008 14:57:02
If the labour party is regain any credibility it must stop this farce of attacking the SNP on this type of rubbish. People in glass houses !!
The labour party needs a complete rethink of what it stands for in terms of public private sector supply. It needs to review it's warmongerring and it's lack of policy on infrastructure and old age pensions.
These would be good starting points for a party that once held decenct and social policies.
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Edward,

28/01/2008 14:58:43
#101
'Jackie Baillie' .... sorry just threw up at that picture!
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The Master,

28/01/2008 15:56:12
Aviemore!!! Isn’t that where the SNP held that conference which, like the bulk of the population, I took great delight in studiously ignoring? Not that I’m implying anything, of course! We all know that Alex has the Chief Planner’s moby no: it’s becoming increasingly obvious from Trumpgate that anyone without this has their call routed through his secretary, who informs the caller that the chief is a in meeting and condescends to give out the number of the office boy if they persist.) Btw, I’ve no intention of posting my very own moby no, so don’t bother asking for it: I’d rather receive calls from Sunni militants than you Nat fanatics, to be perfectly honest!
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Nikostratos,

28/01/2008 16:25:41
What about my pigeon loft.Will Alex help my application go through eh...............probably not
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Miss H,

28/01/2008 16:44:58
105 Yes! You have uncovered a great secret there. The SNP has held conferences at Aviemore.

As has the Labour Party and the Lib Dems.

Interestingly a little birdie tells me that a Highlands MSP has put down a motion welcoming the swift action taken by the Scottish Government with regard to this and urging MSPs to allow the Scottish Government to release correspondence on this matter.

It might be interesting to read that correspondence …..
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ochone,

Sauchie,Clack's 28/01/2008 16:45:18
Niko (107) after all the nasty things you've said about him, what do you think?

The Master, Good man, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 16:56:13
This thread has me seeing red!
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/01/2008 16:58:30
# 105, The Master (domine).

Are you a backward 2nd Class MA?
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Nikostratos,

28/01/2008 17:03:08
personal Details First Name niko
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Email Address nikostratos@ the scotsman.com
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Donation Details Donation Amount £ 199
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Notice I understand that if I donate more than £200, my details will be checked to ensure I am registered on a UK electoral register. If I donate more than £1,000 locally or £ 5,000 to the SNP nationally in any one calendar year, my name and the amount of the donation will be reported to the Electoral Commission for publication on their public register of donations to political parties.

#110
That should do it..........Plus my apologies to mr salmond for any offense caused.

#108

As ever............
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28/01/2008 17:10:43
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Miss H,

28/01/2008 17:17:13
114 OK let us follow your logic.

Presumably you think Alex Salmond should have replied to the cross party group of Highland elected members who asked him to get involved by saying 'No sorry I can't do that because one of the people involved donated money to the SNP'. (Incidentally has anyone checked whether he has also donated to any other political parties?)

What an absurdity.

The laugh of it is that there is only one place this debate can lead to and that is state funding of political parties. Which I personally support so I will be quite happy with that. Will you?
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The Master,

28/01/2008 17:20:21
#112 frank mcbride: at least you do me the honour of crediting me with the intelligence to possess some kind of higher educational qualification. Am I beginning to earn some respect around here, or is it just my imagination? Seriously, I chose the moniker because I’m into sci fi and have always been an admirer of a certain Dr Who character.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 28/01/2008 17:21:26
Ciderman, and your proof, other than what has been printed in the unionist dominated press is?
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Miss H,

28/01/2008 17:23:32
117 well you are not keeping up with the new series because he's deid. Dr Who is now the last of the Gallifreyans.
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Miss H,

28/01/2008 17:27:30
119 All the political parties would prefer state funding for obvious reasons. They are all technically bankrupt and have been for years.
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Miss H,

28/01/2008 17:29:22
121 Someone would need to report the matter to the police in order for it to be investigated. No-one has and no-one will unless you feel like doing it yourself. What crime do you believe has been committed?

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Gdgy,

dundee 28/01/2008 17:42:45
So Wee Alec has previous!!!!
At least in the trump affair he had the excuse that he was a local MSP - oh no of course that was why he "didn't interfere" (nudge nudge wink wink)
The SNP have been slinging muck for years - it's their turn now.. BTW how much does it cost to buy influence with the SNP - with Labour it took a few thousand and a life time affliation - is it cheaper now? - that would be some sort of progress.....
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Gdgy,

dundee 28/01/2008 17:44:06
#124 Quite right!
OR maybe he can't trust anyone else in his joke administration to get anything done - or he is an egotistical monster.....???
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 17:46:39
Cider House Rules - not!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 17:49:47
Gdgy:

Who's your MP?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 17:54:13
Ever since Wee Wendy got caught out labour and their cronies have been trying to sling mud at the SNP in hopes some of it would stick. It didn't - it won't!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:04:48
Jackie 'phones Wendy:

Jackie: Wendy hen - wuv tried everythin - nuthins wurkin!

Wendy: Ah'm gonnae 'phone Monica Lewinsky tae see if we cannae boarrie that dress ae hers. If we cannae git him oan corruption in plannin, ur lack ae empathy wae gimpy weans, wull git him oan sexual indiscretion! It's aw wuv goat left!

Jackie (sotto voce): Ah wish Ah'd jyned the SNP insteed ae this loat!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:15:38
Ciderman - the "Aviemore" sham didn't materialize out of thin air but was hatched in the small minds of certain opposition MSP's who sought to entrap a good minister and great government for petty party political profit. Basically their argument is - "The government shouldn't do anything we ask 'cause we're corrupt". Aye - Ah'm waitin tae see thon letter's - should be a good laugh!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:16:20
123 It is heartwarming is it not to see Labour hacks like Cider/Pete continue their bitter slavering melt downs?

The difference, Pete, is that Labour have ADMITTED BREAKING THE LAW 120 TIMES.

Gordon Brown has ADMITTED LABOUR BROKE THE LAW.

Tom McCabe has ADMITTED LABOUR BROKE THE LAW.

Here, an SNP minister has properly followed up to check process issues at SEPA, after being requested to so do by a cross party group of MSPs.

Why don't you make a complaint if you believe illegality has been committed.

I have a made a complaint about Wendy Alexander's potential misuse of her parliamentary offices and allowances.

hehehe, all this bitterness, shock and maladjustment to defeat cannot be good for Labour blights like Cider/ Pete.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:17:35
135 - Am I to understand that the strategy was considered but rejected?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:18:29
134 Cider - what is your reaction to this ADMISSION from Labour they BROKE THE LAW 120 TIMES?

"Labour admits breaking law on party donations - Independent Online ...Labour admitted 120 breaches of the law on political donations worth a total ....." news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article123467.ece
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:19:33
Oooh, now I see a Tory MP has hiven his parliamentary allowances to his son, who did no work for the allowances.....
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The Master,

28/01/2008 18:19:38
#125 Meths: my girlfriend recently called me an angel, despite my own valiant attempts to disabuse her of this. However, at least one of her predecessors (not quite all there: I’d rather not meet again any time soon, if I can help it!) would probably agree with your Abzorbaloff comparison.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:22:32
Cider House Rule transmogrifies into Silence of the Lambs!
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Martin Kersland St,

Glasgow 28/01/2008 18:26:30
yee haa!!! been bumped again at #98 what a shower the Scotsman are....nothing contentious, nothing slanderous or distasteful.....only calling AM2 to task for the 'untruths' above....can't be having that now can we..
By the way where is it?...has anyone heard from it lately?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:28:46
143? What! That was a perfectly reasoned, cogent and analytical post at 98 with no nasties - it just pointed out where AM2 had lied.

Repost it!!
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The Master,

28/01/2008 18:32:00
#140 Ayrshire: what happened to the good old days when politicians could be as sleazy as they liked without anyone really knowing?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:34:46
143 - Ah've had posts deleted for having contrary opinions tae you ken who. Been moderated a few times as well for similar. Keep goan an then change yer moniker. Ah am amazed that Ayrshire still retains his guid name oan these boards though! How d'ye dae it?
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Andrew Allan,

28/01/2008 18:42:44
#150., AM2.
AM2, I'm sure it would of been helpful that at some time before you scanned the above you read the piece at the top, as if you did it would of told you of the cross party concerns, and cooperation on this matter, though again you go off half-cocked.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:43:36
Russell reported on the politics show that he asked about the process and learned that the applicant had failed to file the appropriate forms. Apparently, Sepa recontacted the applicant and got the forms thingie sorted.

Aye - a conspiracy Ah tell ye! What a bunch ae chancers the labour lot are.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:49:40
146 Cider

Gordon Brown has admitted LABOUR BROKE THE LAW (120 times) - he did so TV at his press conference.

Tom McCabe admitted LABOUR BROKE THE LAW - also on TV.

And your reaction, is to deny this is true because it is in a newspaper, while accusing the SNP of Labour-type sleaze based on a newspaper report which doesn't even make a case of sleaze? How odd.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:50:24
151. I was frequently moderated hehehe
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:52:26
160 can you have a rogue, properly guided missile, Pete?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:53:10
The Herald - Scotland's Leading Quality Daily Newspaper "With Labour in Scotland openly acknowledging the law has been broken, criminal investigations both north and south of the border now seem inevitable. ..."
www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1867076.0.0.php - 57k -
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:53:56
160. Do you remember that time you got moderated Pete for consistently foul, sweary abusive language?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 18:55:56
Cider/ Pete - comments on this?

"Brown to return dodgy donations as he admits 'We broke the law ...Gordon Brown was forced to hand back £600000 today as he dramatically admitted Labour broke the law over donations.
www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=496621&in_page_id=1770&ct=5 "
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 18:58:10
Here's a link to the politics show where Russell sets the record straight. You'll have to scroll down and click on the Scotland link.

tinyurl.com/2g79sl
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:01:13
170 he admitted it previously.

Plus behold the same absolutely illogical, right angles to reality, slavish Labour style ("just because every newspaper and TV station showed Gordon Brown admitting Labour broke the law does not make it true.....")
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:02:07
171 Cider

what donors? what planning development? I refer you to your own post above - we cannot believe what is written in newspapers?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:06:45
181 What SNP scandals Pete? Are you telling me i should believe what is written in this paper when you posted above we cannot believe what is written in papers when then carry direct quotes of various Labour politicians admitting to law breaking (120 counts of law breaking)?

Are you very confused Pete?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 19:07:14
Aye Richard makes good viewing - no?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:08:46
180 that will be a very, very long and hearty laugh Richard.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 19:14:24
Ciderboy - The SNP are not SLEAZY. You are projecting son.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 19:15:28
Ayrshire - How many times has labour admitted breaking the law?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 19:17:04
Ach - thurs nae contest here. Ah'm away - back later!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:18:55
Clearly the bitter shock of defeat has reduced Cider Pete's already miniature IQ to the level of a rather wilted legume's.

Is anyone else struggling with Cider Pete's "logic"?

Cider Pete denounces people for commenting on Labour donation sleaze, even though even the Labour PM has admitted to law breaking, because we should not presume guilt (even though they have admitted it)

Then he presumes guilt on the part of the SNP when there are not even any specific allegations.

Then Cider Pete tells us when newspaper quote Labour politicians admitting law breaking they are not be believed, yet Cider Pete happily comments on this story?

Is Cider Pete the most ludicrous, posturing mountebank we have yet seen?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:20:56
188.

Labour have ADMITTED TO 120 COUNTS OF LAW BREAKING.

Gordon Brown has ADMITTED TO LABOUR BREAKING THE LAW.

Wendy Alexander has ADMITTED TO LABOUR BREAKING THE LAW.

Tom McCabe has ADMITTED TO LABOUR BREAKING THE LAW.

Charlie Gordon has ADMITTED TO LABOUR BREAKING THE LAW.

Harriet Harman has ADMITTED TO LABOUR BREAKING THE LAW.

The Electoral Commission has referred Hain to the police, on the grounds of LAW BREAKING.

Brian Taylor quotes "HALF THE LABOUR FRONT BENCH ADMIT LABOUR HAVE BROKEN THE LAW"
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:35:41
192. What, innocent until proven (or admitted) guilty Pete Cider? You said so yourself above.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 28/01/2008 19:37:52
Ummm, so have I got this right?

SNP steps in to SAVE a Scottish project & Scottish jobs, at the behest of a LABOUR MSP, only for another LABOUR MSP to cry foul????

Ye couldnae mak' it up!

Wendy been charged yet???
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 19:50:56
195. Cider Pete

Labour have ADMITTED to breaking the law.

Are you having difficulty understanding that?

I have not suggested punishment, or who is liable for punishment, I have merely quoted various Labour politicians, inlcuding the Prime Minister, ADMITTING they broke the law.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:11:24
199

"Sepa had changed the rules. I asked him to find out if that was true. It was not true."

Why do you above interpret this to relate to breakdown of communication when clearly it refers to SEPA changing the rules?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:18:45
202 yawn

Gordon Brown - admitted Labour broke the law

Tom McCabe - admitted Labour broke the law

Wendy Alexander - admitted Labour broke the law
Harriet Harman - admitted Labour broke the law
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:21:01
203. Clearly? Really? Seems to me the statement which immediately precedes "It was not true" is "SEPA changed the rules". Why do you think the statement thrice removed from the "It was not true" is what it refers to? What an odd interpretative style you have in English AM2.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:22:37
206 Does it relate to the Aviemore development or donation sleaze?
What you make of the Tory MP today found guilty of misappropriating £13,000 in allowances by paying it to his son (a full time student) whom he said was his researcher?
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HEN BROON 5,

http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm 28/01/2008 20:23:13
http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm



YOU LIKE SLEAZE?
YOU'LL LOVE THESE:
New Labour Scandals
Police quiz Labour MP over 'bribe' - 19/05/97
Labour denies sleaze charge - 25/08/97
Blair Lies to the House of Commons - 19/11/97 Hansard
Labour MP in court on votes charge - 17/12/97
MP denies poll fraud charge - 18/12/97
Row over Blair's 'Murdoch intervention' - 27/03/98 Rupert Murdoch said he had asked Mr Blair to contact Italian PM Romani Prodi over a deal he was planning
No let-up in 'contacts' row - 08/07/98
Hague hammers Blair over sleaze - 08/07/98 for encouraging a "culture of cronyism."
Fresh questions in lobbyist row - 11/07/98 the connections of Roger Liddle, the Downing Street policy adviser at the heart of the cash-for-access affair, with Prima Europe
Tories step up cash-for-access row - 13/07/98 Mr Draper admitted being "boastful" about his contacts with the government, but rejected suggestions of improper behaviour... Fresh allegations led to more denials from Minister Without Portfolio Peter Mandelson, who used to employ Mr Draper
Robinson escapes with rap on knuckles - 16/07/98
Labour's top donors pick up key posts - 31/08/98
The Mandelson File - 23/12/98
Tories call for 'Champagne Jack' inquiry - 18/01/99 Has Jack Cunningham been indulging in high-living at the tax-payers' expense?
Blair escapes call to appear before 'cronyism' panel - 23/02/99 Mr Hart, 57, is the godfather of Mr Blair's daughter. He was appointed to the £73,000-a-year post, which was not advertised, in March 1998
Labour Scandal - Jaguar - 23/05/99
£11m spent on foreign trips - 19/06/99 The most expensive trip by a minister was made by Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, who travelled with 14 officials to the Far East in 1997 at a cost of £169,186
Hague attacks 'Labour hypocrites' - 07/10/99 accusing the prime minister of lying and breaking his promises
Brown accused of cronyism - 22/10/99
Robinson 'has scandal photos' - 23/10/99
Robinson 'gave to second blind tr
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:23:29
207. Clearly, in English, if the statement "not true" related to three things he would have said "They were not true" not "It was not true"
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/01/2008 20:24:23
# Ciderman.

The waters of the Cart must have some amazing properties!!!
How can it produce 2 super intellects like yourself and Ms Alexander; 2 people, whose logical abilities are of such immensity that no-one, no-one else is able to comprehend.

Please do not try to use a "catterpillar" example because that has been proved to be unenlightening on another occasion. Perhaps you could just try using the constructs used by lesser mortals.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:26:01
211 Perhaps the hungry caterpillar ate Wendy's copy of the donations law, which Labour spent £180,000 of public money educating staff on ?

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:28:23
212 Cult like belief? Oh really AM2, you must learn to tone down your over zealous, frenetic and frankly silly language and engage in rational discussion.

There is no belief in whiter than white (a physical improbability unless one is dealing in absorption of electromagnetic radiation outwith the visible spectrum and re-emmission inside it) - just a belief Labour have admitted 120 counts of law breaking and there are no actual specific allegations of any wrong doing against the SNP on Trump or Aveiemore.

Do tell AM2, what rule, law, code have Salmond or Russell broken?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:29:43
214. On News tonight. "Employed" his son as his researcher, but son never worked for him as he studies somewhere else full time...... found guilty, ordered to repay £13k and may be suspended.....

More unionist sleaze I am afraid to say, damaging the whole body politic
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:31:57
212 AM2

Given the SNP have NEVER been involved in any significant sleaze or corruption, while Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems are SOAKED IN SLEAZE with HUNDREDS OF EXAMPLES OF CRIMINAL, CORRUPT, SLEAZY BEHAVIOUR on record, why is it unreasonable to say the SNP is clearly less sleazy, corrupt, criminal and disgraceful than Unionist parties?
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/01/2008 20:40:17
# AM2.

You obviously believe that NuLab politicians, at the very highest level, are morons (in a very non-PC description). Why else would they admit to illegality when you have, so ably, "proved" it to be inconclusive?

Do we really want to be governed by ones so incompetent?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 20:42:22
You will notice that the Avatar formerly known as IB3, when lacking quantitative data, relies on the Intentionally Obtuse Module (IOM) within its program architecture to deflect debate to spurious considerations! When this is unsuccessful the Avatar will use the default response of "there is no point to continuing this discussion" and sign off.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 20:43:21
Go into the shower with one cult? Why not try 'Sleaze and Go'. Now available with added 'impermissibility'.

Ahoy hoy chaps, have any of our learned unionist chums proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that our shiny new Scottish government are as bent as the last lot?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:43:28
218 AM2

the SNP branch said that it submitted the bequest (from a legal donor) at the time - do you have evidence to suggest otherwise? Are you saying otherwise? Are you just, yet again, trying to throw mud?

I am just quoting the Prime Minister and Cabinet Ministers who ADMITTED BREAKING THE LAW....
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:45:44
218. I think that is a lie AM2. Before May the SNP ran many councils. So the excuse for Unionist parties being riddled with sleaze is because they had some power? LOL

But I notice you don't dispute HUNDREDS OF RECORDED INSTANCES OF SLEAZE, CRIMINALITY AND CORRUPTION by unionist parties and none from the SNP.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/01/2008 20:46:52
# AM2.

You, also, obviously take the waters of the Cart.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:47:01
218 "#216 Your term "unionist sleaze" is hyperbole."

Given the hundreds of documented cases of proven sleaze, criminality and corruption by Unionist parties it may tautology but is not hyperbole.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 20:48:06
1. Five thousand pound bequest = legal

2. Nine hundred and fifty pound donation = illegal

EC conveniently loses paperwork on number 1.

Paper work conveniently falsified on number 2.

Compare and contrast!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:54:32
AM2, I am keen to quantify this comparison of sleaze between the SNP and Unionist parties. What measures shall we use:

MPs sent to prison?

Peers sent to prison?

MPs found guilty of abusing expenses/ finanical irregularities?

Councillors jailed for corruption?

Councils found guilty of politcial corruption?

Taking illegal donations?

If we take these criteria (we could add sexual activities at right angles to stated "moral" policies) the SNP score ZERO, Unionists score ALOT

Ergo, SNP much whiter than Unionists? Or am I missing some elusive constant in my equations here AM2??
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:55:07
228 Blaming AM2? for what? are you suggesting the SNP branch is lying?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 20:56:26
227 Pathetic. The biased, zealous, fanatical one sided, partisan twisted mask slips...

AM2 tries to imply the SNP branch did something wrong, where there is no evidence of such, while maintaining no comment on Labour's ADMITTED ILLEGALITY
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:03:26
232 Tayside Region. Grampian Region. Angus. Dumbartonshire. Glasgow (with progs). Clackmananshire (as was). etc etc

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:06:13
AM2.. here is my proposed "Sleazometer" to compare SNP and Unionist sleaze - specific measures - any to add?

MPs sent to prison Unionists - a few SNP - none

MPs taking bribes Unionists - a few SNP - none

COuncillors jailed Unionists - alot SNP - none

Councils corrupt Unionists - alot SNP - none

Peers sent to prison Unionists - a few SNP - none

MPs embezzle allowances Unionists - a few SNP - none

Take illegal donations Unionists - a few SNP - none


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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:11:26
240 Depends, Is it a proper noun? The name of a pet or child perhaps?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:15:58
245 Ooh, is the auto-censor broken?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:17:03
246 ah, I see, use of advanced punctuation to overcome the censor
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:17:41
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/01/2008 21:18:50
#AM2.

I'm sure you're aware of "The Warriors" too.

Would you object to "Al's Warriors", or even "Hi-Hi and Higher"?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 21:21:17
Oi "cnuts" read wot I wrote!!!!!

Buggger it didn't work. OK Meths how did you do it?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:27:38
Good one 256 - saved that for future reference.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 28/01/2008 21:31:10
You describe my post at #233 as bizarre, and then you run away.

Is anything I wrote there inaccurate ?

What is it that you choose to hide from?

Why are you afraid to engage in public debate?

I will once again, challenge you to a public debate on the subject of “Whether Scotland?”, at place and time of your choice.

You up for that?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 21:33:22
F
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me it didnae work!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:33:54
My great ganda was a bas tard but he never was a bar steward!

Ah don't have an ALT button (Mac) what do I do?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 28/01/2008 21:38:45
#260 was aimed at AM2
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 21:53:24
It's all bad magic to me, I'm going to have stick to being Oscar"Not-so-nice"MacApfel.

So seeing as nobody is rushing to comment on the Daily Retard editorial, I persume, you've all read it already and are ignoring me like a ginger haired step child chained to a council flat balcony?
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:54:02
bº¡¶#astard

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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:55:03
Oscar he wisnae chained - that wiz duck tape!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:57:57
266 Great editorial, Oscar...

I don't take much note of the Daily Labour. I remember there "May the farce be with you" headlines a few others....

Things must be beyond dire for New Labour for this organ to be denouncing them.

I see Andy Kerr is positioning to take over - ROTFL. Bring it! Bring it!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:58:03
Sorry Oscar - tryin tae git roon the machine!

You post indicates a loss of faith in the peoples party. Their natural right to rule Scotland is being questioned by the heart and soul - rank and file - numpties.

It can't be long now!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 21:58:46
265 Meths

ssshhhh. We wil be plagued now forever with fakies
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 21:59:32
b‚/‡‹astard
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 22:01:43
Ach - he wiz boarn oot ae wedlock - aye! His mither a feenian an faither a prodie dog - aye! But never a bar steward - naw!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 22:11:31
I think it loses something in the translation?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 22:14:23
#269

Thing is fellow cybernats, the poor dead gallus voters of this here 'best wee country in ra world' read in their overwhelming numbers the Record and the Sun, the battle here and on the The Herald has been won. Apart from a few diehard unionists the majority can see that the SNP are doing an admirable job in difficult conditions. It's finding a way through to the tabloids that victory lies...
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 22:17:38
Great Post - Should be Shared:

Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:52am today

The few genuine Unionists - and they are few in number - who post reasonable argument are apparemntly still unable to accept that values derived from the liberal, democratic and socialist traditions can somehow be assumed by nationalists.

They seem to think that in the hands of nationalists those qualities are no longer operative.

It gives rise to the many "still in denial," and "get used to it" retorts posted by nationalists.

They appear certain those dedicated to Scotland's interests before all else are somehow incapable of compassion, commonsense, or sound intellect.

Whatismore, their blind faith in assuming only the Labour party holds a monopoly of those virtues is very touching, and all in spite of the evidence before them that Labour in power for so long has done so little for Scotland, and now is proven to be corrupt and lazy.

One explanation has to be a kind of vanity.

To be a Unionist is to live in no man's land: you do not have a country. In the dis-United Kingdom's case it is neither England, nor Wales, nor Scotland. It therefore follows you cannot be a Scottish patriot unless you wish to see your country a nation again.

To be a patriot in the strict sense of the word you must first have a country not a region.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 22:18:31
276 you would think La Liddel and Co stealing their pension funds might have put a few Record bods off them, but alas no!

The Sun had a dalliance with the SNP.

Have you joined the SNP, Oscar-not-so-nice? If not, why not. get it done
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 22:26:15
276 - I've been thinking the very same thing. Victory has to b e won in the hoosin schemes and that means invading the tabloids. Do they host comments?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 22:42:26
#278 Ahem AS, correct me if I'm wrong but did I not point you in the direction of the shining path, either here or on the Herald last year, when you held some misgivings over possible homophobes within the SNP, being a deterrent to you joining said organisation? At the time I mentioned my intent to join and even went as far as attending a post victory bean feast organised by a chum who now holds high office, I am a member in all but direct debit!

But to the tabloids...The Record has a comments side to it, mostly frequented by bigots, footpads and the criminally insane. Level headed comment is frowned upon. It is a tough nut to crack, anything approaching reasonable debate is shouted down by a drunken Tim in Abu Dhabi or a likewise pished Ted from Vancouver.

The Sun has a comment section, but none of their Scottish stories or editorial is online.

Todays editorial is the nearest they have come to recognising they are in the doo doo. Last week they even condemned FM Salmond for not using the bus enough!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 22:57:08
283 Indeed, he has clearly not dealt with the residents of 70 Norton Street enough yet
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 22:57:47
#283

Aye col, but there's more of them, and until we can find a way to get through to them it's going to be chuffing hard work.

Following the Blair route of cosying up to Murdoch would only deliver short term praise until his agenda had been fulfilled. Think back to the noose on their front page on May 3rd.

The Record is the key. Comments, letters, good news stories etcetera.

If the situation were reversed and all of New New Labours mishaps were happening to the SNP we'd be ground into mince by the record, polling numbers would diminish and any possibility of ever getting into power would be a far flung dream.
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/01/2008 22:59:28
Evening Cybernats all.

Where's AM2 tonight?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 22:59:49
285. Indeed, remember the Jabba the Hut headline on polling day previous? And the SNP hadn't admitted 120 breaches of electoral law..... they put the boot in anyway without pretext

We were at Yooni with the Records political editor btw Oscar, I knew him (not biblically thankfully)
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 23:00:10
286 Off in the cream puff again
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 23:00:56
Jackie Baillie says "cry hamburger and let slip the hogs of war"
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28/01/2008 23:04:06
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/01/2008 23:04:38
285
Oscar
Doesn't help that a certain West coast football team's more rabid supporters deny their Scottishness and wear England shirts.
I wonder what tabloid they look at the pictures in?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

28/01/2008 23:04:59
290 Fakie. One out of two ain't bad.
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28/01/2008 23:07:25
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NovaScotia™,

28/01/2008 23:08:01
290 Are you a lesbian?
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28/01/2008 23:08:40
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:09:48
282 I've delivered my share of leaflets for the SNP. I'll tell ye though I was in great shape running up and down four story walk ups. Got no end of abuse from auld wimen of the Scottish Nose Pickers variety when manning information booths. Done it - been there. Time for the young wae fresh legs to do the running up and down.
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NovaScotia™,

28/01/2008 23:10:16
295 That answers my previous query at 294, thanks
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/01/2008 23:15:50
Any further on the collective noun for fakey Ayrshires?
An annoyance?
An affliction?

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NovaScotia™,

28/01/2008 23:16:35
298 An alliteration of Ayrshires?
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28/01/2008 23:16:41
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NovaScotia™,

28/01/2008 23:16:45
.
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/01/2008 23:21:00
295
Indeed they are Fakey.
But I don't think those that do will ever vote SNP.
Which was the point.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:21:48
An Armageddon of Artificial Ayrshirres
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:22:53
An Infestation of Imitators
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:24:29
Can Ah be AM2 the morra? Ah'd dae a better joab than him!
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28/01/2008 23:25:23
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/01/2008 23:25:35
300
You are repeating yourself.
Anyway, I want Jim Henson's Dinosaurs back on again.
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NovaScotia™,

28/01/2008 23:25:44
306 Better job of down talking Scots and increasing SNP support? Doubtful.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:26:10
Puttin oan some tunes - ony requests?

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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:29:07
309 - Naw - ae convincin folks that unionism is an infantile disorder!
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NovaScotia™,

28/01/2008 23:30:06
312. Well he is pretty good at that too, credit where it is due. Only English Voice is better
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:31:05
Now Playing - Bola - Kroungrine - awesome
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:35:34
Anybody get to the Explosions in the Sky concert at the Barrowlands?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 23:39:39
#287 I was not aware of that, who is the mountebank?

#298 Any further on the collective noun for fakey Ayrshires?

I believe it's an archaic term, first used in ancient Ur. They are know as a 'Kunt of Fakirs'.

#308 I managed to get a vhs of that made for friends about ten years ago. I don't think it's been on the box since it was broadcast. Excellent story.



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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:41:16
Ah bet AM2 listens to Nana Mouskouri and everything by Andrew LLoyd Weber ever recorded!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:44:33
I don't believe you!

Who was the promoter?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/01/2008 23:45:38
#316 Nope, but I did get to see the luminous Emma Pollock (Ex Delgados) at City Grand on Saturday night.

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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:47:02
322 - You are right - was it a good concert?
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/01/2008 23:48:45
311

Hab SoSlI' Quch!
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:51:49
323 - No - wanted to but ...
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An Beal Bacht,

28/01/2008 23:56:01
325 - how was it? Good concert?
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:00:03
A bit like Sigur Ros and Mogwai mixed together?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:03:20
#330

How very chuffing odd, I've just been listening to 'Happy Songs for Happy People'!
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:04:33
331 - No explosions - you're taste in music is great - what happened to yer politics man? New threads opening up. Hope to continue this conversation at another time. Cheers!
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:05:25
332 - You couldn't have chosen better!
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Conan the Librarian™,

29/01/2008 00:07:14
331
Ah, Brian Eno.
Heard of him.
Was in a beat group named after a picture house I believe.
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HEN BROON 5,

29/01/2008 00:10:30
88 ppink,28/01/2008 14:24:35
"Meths Ayrshire -I said he was a polemicist at 84 which he is. I think that the other was Hen Broon. Nothing too dramatic either."


Aye twas me unfortunately because it was such a mild post I did not put it on my clip board. But I get right under his orange skin and he hates it.

But what it really shows up is how easily he can get posts deleted and his access to the huge database and his lists. A paid aparatchick working in the interest of Brit National security. You can read it like a book.

Must be worse than selling double glazing.

I'm off to dream land.

ALBA GU BRATH.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:17:32
#332 We'll keep Mogwai and you can keep the Wets...

Feller how can you have such good taste musically and be so, so .... timid politically?

;)
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:29:36
332 - AM2 - So are the Synergy folks!
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:38:59
343 - SNP supporters!
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:45:07
#342

Timid....afraid of change, the risk of independence leading to a better future, having faith in your own people's ability to make a difference. Opposed to the staid, stultifying, moribund (I'm going to need a new thesaurus soon)dull, unambitious...and let's face it corrupt status quo.

I'm off to sleep, I can't keep up with you young hipslingers.
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:50:11
346 - I'll check out your allegation next time I talk to them and if true give them a bollockin. They do a great job of bringing good music to Scotland though - you have to admit that! C'moan son - don't get all crotchety.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:50:38
What's wrong with 'your own people', I'm not referring to your background, but the people you live amongst. Tsk silly boy.

Night night.
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An Beal Bacht,

29/01/2008 00:59:26
350 - Ah'll tell them you approve.

BTW - whoever designed your Music Appreciation Module (MAM) was a good lad.

Cheers
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An Beal Bacht,

03/02/2008 18:33:49
346 - AM2 - Apologies - apparently the owner of the venue was out of the country and synergy had to get the address from a secondary source who got it wrong. They appreciate your approval of their shows and vow to continue to bring cutting edge music to Scotland.

Cheers

 

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