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Commons ordered to reveal expenses details



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Published Date: 23 January 2008
THE House of Commons has been ordered to reveal a breakdown of MPs' expenses – including those claimed by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown – after a landmark ruling from the information watchdog.
The order from Richard Thomas, the UK Information Commissioner, will end the secrecy surrounding Westminster expenses.

Last year, The Scotsman revealed how the Commons' authorities were forced to back down over an attempt to block a breakdown o
f the travel expenses of Anne Moffat, the MP for East Lothian.

The move yesterday – this time involving a Freedom of Information request involving the expenses of six MPs – reinforces the Information Commissioner's determination to make Westminster more accountable and will set a precedent.

Mr Thomas has called for figures for claims on staffing, incidental expenses and stationery to be broken down for publication.

In a statement, Mr Thomas's office said: "In the Commissioner's view the legitimate public interest in disclosing the information outweighs the prejudice to the rights, freedom and legitimate interests of MPs."

The decision, based on the Freedom of Information Act, follows a request for the detailed spending between April 2003 and March 2004 of Mr Blair, Mr Brown, John Prescott, Michael Howard, Charles Kennedy and Jonathan Sayeed.

It goes much further than previous rulings by the Information Commissioner for the details of spending on travel and the costs of staying away from home to be released.

A source said that while the ruling applied to only six people, it was indicative of how Mr Thomas was likely to treat requests applying to all MPs.

His decision is made on the grounds that such expenses arose from MPs' role as public representatives and were reimbursed by the taxpayer.

"The Information Commissioner has ruled that a breakdown of the total amounts claimed by some individual MPs for travel, incidental expenses, staffing, central IT provision, centrally purchased stationery and additional cost allowance should be released under the Freedom of Information Act," the statement added.

MPs have faced sustained criticism for the size of their expenses claims, which averaged £135,800 each last year and are not explained in any detail to the public. A similar ruling by Mr Thomas on the additional costs allowance (ACA) – covering the costs of second homes for MPs with constituencies outside London – has been appealed by the Commons.



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  • Last Updated: 22 January 2008 9:28 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Politicians' expenses
 
1

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 23/01/2008 01:09:35
Now if only someone could persuade the electoral comission to grow a spine we might be able to make some progress.

Why no article about the woeful electoral commission anyway Scotsman ?

Wendy still AWOL , electoral commision not even sure what their procedures are despite claiming to be in the midst of an investigation , surely worth a line or 2 in a Scottish paper ?
2

walter,

23/01/2008 01:46:56
Quite right every penny these people claim should be declared and scrutinised whether they be a local councilor or the PM.
3

ex-labour,

23/01/2008 02:20:57
Can't see what difference it will make. I won't stop any of them from screwing the voters.
4

Pete40,

Tassy 23/01/2008 05:28:25
It is pretty world wide. I think it is something to do with the system, Democracy has consistently attracted a small percentage of the wrong type of people. Maybe potential politicians should get a headmasters and police report before they get the job. Something like what schoolteachers have to do.
5

yockel,

GSSB 23/01/2008 07:13:12
We are clearly represented by fine upstanding folk who are fully confident of their own worth. Unfortunately not quite confident enough to admit the true cost. Given their dodgy fund raising on top of their salaries and expenses these folk seem to spend a staggering amount on grooming their own ego.
6

theburnschap,

23/01/2008 08:53:14
I think people are in for a real shock. For years there has been uproar about MP and MSP expenses and each year, when the amounts are available, the press has a field day.

Now we will see exactly what the press don't want in view. Bills, bills and nothing but more boring bills.

Everyone seems to think that expenses for MPs and MSPs mean the same as expenses to you and me. In other words lunches, dinners, hotels and transport. And obviously as an MP or MSP they are bound to rack up massive lunch bills with the fanciest of wines as they are all fat cats really aren't they? Well get ready for a bit of realism.

MP and MSP expenses are for covering the cost of their day to day working. Thats right, office running costs (parliament and constituency) which includes staff, computers (probably leased), fax machines (again leased) and photocopiers (leased).

Then there is the cost of letters - yep it costs money to send out all the replies to constituents, or right to Ministers, or sending out communications about what your MP is doing.

Then there will be the cost of having surgeries - yes, most places where an MP will hold a surgery will cost a fee to hire - and if they have a large constituency (like most Scots MPs and MSPs) there is the cost of getting there with a member of staff, who will not be paid overtime as it is expected that they will work when they are needed, not by the MP or MSP but by the constituents who want access to their MP or MSP when they want to.

I have worked for an MP and an MSP, and loved every minute of it. But I hate it when people just assume that they all eat at the trough of a nice large expense account when it isn't even close to the truth.
7

Karin M,

23/01/2008 09:15:04
I see the scotsman made no mention of this story about anabel goldie being "reported" to david cameron for joining in with wee wendy and nicol "sleaze" stephen on their unionist talking shop about further devolution.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=YVZXQ0WOJ0Z23QFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2008/01/22/nscotsparl122.xml
8

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 23/01/2008 10:14:50
Yesterday, a political commentator was interviewed on BBC Radio 2 regarding the question of MP's ever burgeoning expenses, and stated that it was high time Westminster adopted the system used at the Scottish Parliament where there is now more transparency in claiming expenses, especially after the recent scandals involving many MSPs! 'Taxigate' comes to mind!

At Westminster, NOT including their £60K a year salary, 646 MPs claimed a total of £88 million for expenses!
This equates to £136,222 per MP!

An MP's expenses can cover anything from a mortgage for a second London home to £36,000 per year in postage costs!

The current debate about MPs salaries and expenses has been widely covered in the US media where American Senators are the best paid in the world.

However, IF MPs get their way, and are awarded a large percentage increase in their salaries, it will make them the highest paid politicians in the world!

Nowadays, why is it we never hear from any of the vociferous critics of the Scottish Parliament?
9

JayDeeTee,

23/01/2008 12:00:20
#6. Irrespective of your defence, as taxpayers we should be able to scrutinise these expenses for ourselves and not rely on people like you who seem to have a vested interest in defending this lot.
We are (with very few exceptions) the highest taxed country in the world. We have a right to see how OUR money is being spent (or mispent). People in this country do not trust any politician and we have many reasons for not doing so. Sleaze and politics go hand in hand mate.
10

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 23/01/2008 13:23:32
After full disclosure of expenses at Hollyrood, expenses claims tumbled. Hopefully the same will happen at Westminster.
11

theburnschap,

23/01/2008 15:22:25
#9.
I think you maybe got the wrong impression from my comment. I think that there is much more to be gained from having the full disclosure of expenses. The point I was trying to make is that you can have the full disclosure and this becomes a non-story. It will disclose nothing but legitimate bills and expenses.

I have no vested interest in defending anyone either. I'm just trying to paint a picture that is more accurate than is generally seen.

Most people who work for an MP or MSP are paid pretty small salaries, and do it for the right reasons - they believe they are doing the right thing and it will help other people. They certainly aren't doing it for the massive pay.

I'd also guess that the slightest whiff of corruption in this area would have most of them leaving the job. I know I certainly wouldn't have liked to be in the shoes of an ex-assistant for Henry McLeish, not good for future job prospects.

And for those who think that the line "I'm a taxpayer and I pay your wages" confers all manner of extra rights upon you - I am a taxpayer too.

Funny though how only politicians have that line thrown at them. Fire Service? Police? Armed Services? No chance - because of perception. And people always perceive politicians as in it for themselves - and hence why they think the expenses go in their pockets.

If fraudulent claims were taking place, civil servants administering the claims would pick it up, unless of course you are accusing them too......
12

ex-labour,

23/01/2008 15:51:12
6 theburnschap,
You forgot to mention how they are paid to travel to work - first class from Aberdeen airport and others north of London. Then, there's the upkeep of their second homes. One MP I know lives with his fellow MP partner in a mortgage-free home and still claims the full London allowance, as well as the mortgage on a nice little property in the constituency.

Declaring expenses will not make them any fairer. How many of you get free transport to work, subsidised meals and cheap booze while you're there, mortgage paid on your second prime location home, and, depending on the Committee you're on, fly all over the world to prime holiday locations.

13

Redfive,

23/01/2008 16:53:19
Lets not get too exited they can (mps) and I am sure will appeal this ruling and no doubt will release a tiny bit of the info requested after consulting highly paid lawyers at tax payers expense on how they can avoid releasing the info in full.

11 theburnschap

Dont know what world you live in but i do know its not one the rest of us do. Policitians are a bunch of corrupt self serving hypocrits who would not last 5 minutes in a proper job. There cannot be any other jobs in the world that have such generous perks without any accountability. I garantee many MPs are shaking in their boots at this ruling because when we truth is known about these expenses the public will be even more disgusted with them than we are now even though that seems hard to beleive.

 

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