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MPs in line for £40k pay rise if they ditch second-home claims



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Published Date: 23 June 2008
MPs could receive pay rises of about £40,000 a year in return for scrapping their controversial second homes allowance, it was claimed yesterday.
The top-up to MPs' current £61,820 salary would be worth about £24,000 after tax – approximately matching the maximum claim under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) this year.

The move is one of three options to be put before MPs by an internal
review of parliamentary expenses headed by Commons Speaker Michael Martin.

It would, in effect, remove the onus on MPs to justify their expenses claims and hand extra cash to those who do not currently claim the full amount.

The typical MP would be £4,500 a year better off as the average claim under ACA is £19,500.

But it is likely to run into fierce opposition following recent abuses of the expenses system and voters' scepticism about the pay and perks available to their Westminster representatives.

Less controversial alternatives to the £40,000 package include a daily allowance corresponding to MPs' attendance in the Commons.

That would be subject to a similar upper ceiling of about £24,000, again without the need to submit receipts in justification for costs legitimately incurred staying in London.

A third option would see the ACA retained, but with more rigorous audits of claims.

The Members' Estimate Committee, which set up the review following the scandal over MP Derek Conway's overpayment of his son out of his expenses, is due to report its recommendations soon. They will be discussed in the House of Commons on 3 July.

Other issues that have been under special consideration include the staffing allowance – amid concern about MPs employing their relatives at the public's expense – and travel costs.

MPs' expenses have come under harsh scrutiny in recent months since the Conway controversy and the disclosure of a John Lewis list detailing dozens of household items they could claim under the ACA.

It included white goods, televisions, stereos, coffee machines, up to £10,000 for a new kitchen and £6,000 for a bathroom.





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  • Last Updated: 22 June 2008 9:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Politicians' expenses
 
1

Angus Ogg,

22/06/2008 21:44:14

What other ordinary working person's job would allow that person to claim £10,000 for a kitchen refurb and £6,000 for a new bathroom ?

About time some bright spark started a new political party called....

STOP THE POLITICAL PIG TROUGH GRAVY TRAIN EXPENSES PARTY.

Though maybe a bit more catchy a title would be needed....

Any suggestions ?

2

MisterN,

Scotland 23/06/2008 00:10:51
Just saw Darling on the news this afternoon saying how workers should help the economy by keeping their wage claims below 2%. Must was the word he used so what percentage is 40 grand then? and why isnt it performance related like other public sector pay deals?
3

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23/06/2008 00:11:22
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Jock MacSprog,

23/06/2008 00:31:58
so much for wage discipline.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/06/2008 00:54:11


'Please Mr'! can I have a £40k pay rise,?

I am hungry!
6

Sanny,

23/06/2008 01:05:14
2MisterN
Tut Tut MrN; You really need to study Animal Farm. Remember what the pig said "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others".

You really must understand that our incompetent – never had a real job – MP’s need this extra money to keep them in the style they have become accustomed – mainly by ripping off the taxpayer on expenses.

May we assume that this additional 40K will be reflected in an increased pension entitlement?

Angus: For your proposed new Party how about the title The Honesty Party? It could adopt the Chinese approach – those found guilty of fraud in public office are shot. You still do get some dishonest individuals but they tend to be a dying breed!
7

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 23/06/2008 01:36:34
MrN #2,

Well, if the current wage is 61,820 and the rise is 40,000, that equates near enough to %64.7.

So, they expect the rest of the workforce to settle for %2 or less. If the MP's were to settle for the same %2, they would get approx' 1236 quid. Big difference, eh!
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bring them on,

23/06/2008 02:55:24
MPs have always had a cushy number. Nothing is new except there is more disclosure these days.

If you're daft enough to vote for them, you'll have to live with what you asked for.

10

mighty,

23/06/2008 04:24:51
I wonder if they never got there raise and all expenses and perks would they all quit I bet not the job is so easy would not know what they would do if they had to work.
11

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 04:31:41
#11 Weeshooie

How can it be a 64% pay rise if they're giving up their expenses. If you had to work in London half the week as part of your job and your boss said he wasn't paying any more of your expenses but giving you a lump sum instead would that be a pay rise?

This does seem like a stupid idea. What about the MP's who live in and have constituencies in London? That's pretty much giving them 40k for nothing.
12

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/06/2008 06:55:39
Pensioners also have expenses resulting from their activities. £40k will help, I suppose.
13

Guga II,

Rockall 23/06/2008 07:26:43
This pay rise grab by these pigs at the trough are only to compensate them for not stealing money from the taxpayer for their second homes. They will still be stealing heaps of money for their other dodgy expenses.

The taxpayers are already being fleeced by these greedy pigs, with even Broon claiming for a second home (i.e. his own home) whilst living in a freebie house paid for in its entirety by the taxpayer. So, even giving him an extra £40k for not claiming for his own home, he will continue to claim on his expenses for his television tax, his Sky Television subscription, his utility bills, travel expenses for himself and his family etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

I think our MPs think they are living in some third world country where greed and corruption are the norm. This is probably because they are doing their best to turn the YUK into a third world country.
14

beckypumps1,

Fife 23/06/2008 07:33:05
If we shut down the house of lords we could free up some space to build a hostal for the poor MPs that are forced to travel to London for the odd vote (on whips instructions) . This may save a few pounds that could go towards the upcoming games.
15

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 23/06/2008 07:33:53
Member of Parliament, Memeber of the European Parliament, Member of the Scottish Parliament, Assembly Member (Wales).

Can we afford all these 'politicians' and their entourage? The 'ruling classes' are getting greedy while the rest of us struggle to make ends meet, vive la revolution?
16

Scotish Exile,

23/06/2008 08:07:34
There are lots of us who have to commute huge distances every day, and we are told if you don't like it, either move job or move house, whay can't politicians be told the same?
This £40,000 increase to their salary, will probably mean that there already gold plated pensions will also be increased, nice work if you can get it, the politicians bleeding the country dry. Scum the lot of them
17

Tolle1,

23/06/2008 08:11:56
Second houses should be scrapped for both MPs in England and MSPs in Scotland with properties such as, closed down DWP offices, or even derelict buildings that are good enough for other people to live in made into hostels.

The MP or MSP would live in the hostel during the week, which would be within travelling distance by bus to either the House of Commons and Holyrood.

Their would be no need to claim expenses, as they, out of their own pocket would pay for the cost of getting to and from their place of work. No need for them to worry themselves about new fitted kitchens, decorating etc, as the landlord would decide whether a new kitchen or redecorating was needed or not.

Food expenses would be done away with also due the MPS or MSPs having the option to use the canteen at their work (paying full cost of meal purchased) or they could go and buy a sandwich again at their own cost.

We could go on forever, but these are a couple of suggestions to be getting on with, there is no need for the expenses in the first place, so by definition they have a cheek even although it is one of three proposals at this time even considering a rise at all never mind £40,000, when people are having their houses repossessed, have to decide either to heat or eat (this was happening before the current disastrous increases in the price of oil).

The answer is not to compensate the MPs or MSPs for them losing what in effect is a cash machine with a very high apparently unaudited withdrawal rate, but to find a way that is the cheapest possible for the state, and without this leading to the private sector being involved, the hostel could be run by a non-profit making voluntary organisation.

I also agree about the person who mentioned Alistair Darling's plea for pay demands to be kept at 2% or below, what a hypocrite, I know the MPS have said they will not take their pay rise this year, they don't have to take the pay rise with the apparent perks they have available to them.
18

Boy Wonder,

23/06/2008 08:40:39
I don't think I'll even bother voting at the next election. If none of us voted ... in protest ... what would happen then??
19

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 23/06/2008 08:41:43
Was it Screaming Lord Sutch who suggested a policy of linking any rises in MPs pay to rises in the minimum wage?
20

sam the god,

23/06/2008 08:52:36
Do not as I do but do as I say.

The standard quote from out political masters.
21

Paddi,

23/06/2008 09:05:13
Exepenses don't go toward their final salary pension, this £40k award would, that alone would cost £100's of thousands for any ordinary Joe. Their money grasping is breathtaking,has anyone expalined why this exclusive set of "workers" is allowed to claim exes that the rest of us are barred from claiming??
22

JayJay,

Right here 23/06/2008 09:18:15
I think you will find that this will be a hugely popular move amongst those Labour MPs facing the dole at the next election. Their already generous pension entitlements will receive a timely boost - can't have them grubbing around having spent several years in parliament banking their entire salary (living expenses appear to be fullsomely covered by expenses.)
It somes as no surprise that the ever ludicrous Michael Martin sits with his knife and fork out at the head of this particular trough. Like the last days of the Raj, these buffoons appear entirely unable to see what is coming. Everyone else has to bend over and take it on fuel, food, energy, mortgages etc whilst they sit back and feather bed an already absurdly generous package.
I expect to hear the usual grunts from the trough of "we work incredibly hard and you just don't see that" alongside "we are only paying the rate for the job." Both of these myths, I am sure, can be readily dismissed. You don't hear of many MPs giving the job up do you because of hard work or poor pay?
23

bluehead,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 09:30:18
and they are the buffoons that tell the voters to keep their wage rises low.
perhaps we should have a whip round for them, because of the hard times they are having.
I wouldn't give one old penny for the lot of them put together
what a pile of plonkers!!!
24

MisterN,

Scotland 23/06/2008 09:36:30
24

Wrong way to go about it. Best way to protest vote is to vote en mass for a ridiculous party such as the raving loonies just imagine how the British establishment would react to a Parliament full of acting raving loonies instead of real ones.
25

Mike555,

23/06/2008 09:37:11
The whole system of Government pay and expenses reeks. MP's who get this increase will no doubt be getting their gold plated pensions increased as well.

What value to you and me are these people. If their pay was performance related they would be getting nothing!!!!
26

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 09:38:58
#30 The British/English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish people will only ever vote in a Tory or Labour government. Politicians know this so they are pretty much free to give themselves whatever they want.
27

Highland Mighty,

23/06/2008 09:56:00
Is there a petition on the no.10 website to stop this trough-gluttony?

They want this pay rise so we, their paymasters, will never see how we are being ripped off by their endless claims.

This makes me sick to the stomach.
28

Highland Mighty,

23/06/2008 09:58:18
33. Just checked and there are several petitions.

EVERYONE SHOULD SIGN ALL OF THEM.
29

C.,

23/06/2008 10:12:24
i'm speachless. it's amazing in the present financial climate that they are even taking about this. it just goes to prove that the people leading this country only care about themselves and not the people who put them their.
30

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23/06/2008 10:18:36
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Alan B,

23/06/2008 10:26:28
Would be better to ditch westminster and its corrupt practices.

Without westminster we could rid of a wasteful layer of government that fails to do anything for scotland anyway.
32

JulieAnn,

Stirlingshire 23/06/2008 10:35:06
These people are not worth a quarter of what they get in wages and expenses.

If they were paid according to their achievements, they's be well out of pocket. They disgust me.
33

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 23/06/2008 10:44:45
I think the Per Diem off a hundred pounds a day as a temporary solution, is the best short term alternative.

Politicians have the unique position of being able to decide themselves what their remuneration should be. They have consistently proved that they are incapable of handling this responsibility. A complete overhaul in remuneration and expenses is in order.

There salary should be performance related, they should be paid a basic salary that is tied to the Average Wage in the UK. This will keep them focused on growing the wages off their constituents.

Their salary and benefits should be taxed under the same rules as every one else. They should no longer be exempt from wrong headed tax policies they force on the rest of us.

Staff should be subject to the same regulations governing nepotism as the rest of the public service.
To try and sort out if their, brothers, sisters, spouses, children, cousins or inlaws are actually doing the job they are paid for is too subjective and time consuming and open to abuse.

As a long term solution for their housing needs the parliament should contract with the local authorities to find suitable council flats for their accomadation. Until a council flat becomes available they can be put in B&B tempory accommadation like anyone else.
34

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 23/06/2008 10:45:25
#36. It is running in line with all the polls conducted recently that asks the Scottish people to take control of their own destiny, 84% in favour of independence. The ST poll came out at 82.8% and is completely in line with what you now hear on the street. It really is time.

The ongoing greed of these ugly gluttonous pigs makes me sick. Politicians are the most vile odious greedy corrupt forms of life in this world, I have no respect what ever for any of them with the exception of Alex Salmond. He at least gives two thirds of his MSPs salary to charity. Leadership by example.


http://tinyurl.com/4y98mw



First Minister Alex Salmond is to set up a charitable trust, funded by his MSPs salary.

The trust is expected to generate about £18,000 a year until the next General Election, and will fund youth and community projects in the north-east.

As MP for Banff and Buchan, Mr Salmond receives £60,675, as well as a third of his £53,091 salary as MSP for Gordon.

Mr Salmond said Holyrood officials told him he had to accept his MP's salary plus one third of his MSP's pay.

In a statement, he said the new trust would be named the Mary Salmond Trust after his late mother.


I pledged that for the time I represent the north-east as an MSP and as an MP, that I would only personally benefit from one parliamentary salary
Alex Salmond

In addition to both salaries, Mr Salmond also collects £77,000 as first minister.
35

Doh,

23/06/2008 11:29:09
#40

Alex Salmond's behaviour is revolting.

Basically he is currying favour and buying votes by gifting a portion of his salary to good causes.

But if he had any sense he would realise that is it setting a terrible precedent. If I was a rich Tory I would do the same - hell I wouldnt take any of my salary and I would very publically go around promising to give my salaries to good causes in my constituency.

If Salmond was in any way genuine about his donation it would have been done discreetly so that no one knew.

What a sleeze bag.
36

Doh,

23/06/2008 11:35:11
#41 Good point.

We simply arnt payign politicians or business leaders enough money.

For some time I have thought that if only the executives of Nothern Rock had been in charge of public finances we would have a masive surplus.

Clearly the current bunch or bankers are underpaid and the credit crunch would have been avoided if only we had been paying them 10X more than they get already.

Unfortunately we have to make do with incompetent executives that are only fit to fill their boots at their customers, shareholders and public expense.
37

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/06/2008 11:44:10
The political pigs are grunting and groaning and swilling about at the taxpayers' trough yet again.

My apologies to all bona fide pigs for comparing them with vile politicians.
38

James.com,

23/06/2008 11:50:40
Who said crime doesn't pay!
39

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 23/06/2008 12:44:03
Legitimate business expenses should be claimed back via Self Assessment from the HMRC like every other business person.

Now they have been found to be cheating the system the Westminster "RIGHT HONOURABLE" ministers have changed the rules to award themselves a massive payrise as well as huge increase in sickpay and a £20K per year increase on full pension entitlement plus additional lump sum.

Lying, cheating, stealing, dishonest, scumbags. Sooner we are away from UK/EU the sooner we can deal with issues instead of paying fu~kwits to talk about the issues.
40

Busymale,

23/06/2008 12:55:28
These scum have no shame!
41

Richard Lionheart,

23/06/2008 13:01:27
Why can we not register to vote on MP's pay and allowances over the internet?

They cannot be trusted to make decisions which can enhance their own wealth?

Quite simply tell your MP you will not vote for them if they vote this self wealth enhancing bill through.

It's time MP's take a pay cut.
42

Montford's Jaicket,

23/06/2008 13:05:48
#33 - petition:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/nomoreofourmoney/

Alternatively, I am going set up a petition that: in common with MP's, everybody in the country should be allowed to vote for their own salary increase and receive unreceipted, unchecked expenses.
43

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23/06/2008 13:27:22
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PaulW,

Borders 23/06/2008 13:31:17
#42

I hope you are being ironic. If not, and That is what I assume, I have rarely seen anything quite so ignorant in these posts. Even a half-wit would know that as First Minister of Scotland, with Nolan Committee/declarations of expenses and financial affairs all publicly available under freedom of information, it is highly unlikely that anything would remain private for long.

Also, it was labour, Tories and Lib Dems that were slating him for two salaries in the first place (despite the fact Donald Dewar and Jim "Forgettable" Wasisname from orkney did so also).

They were accusing him of having his head in the trough, despite the fact the rules said he had to take the salary, so Big Eck was forced to do something himself. I think it was a great idea.

As for the issue in hand, as many are working away from home, they do need accommodation. So why can't the state own enough London properties for MPs who have seats in places like Scotland to use free of charge when not in their constituencies? They don't have to be all that grand - but preferably close to the Houses of Parliament. Those with families get ones perhaps slightly larger, but the state would maintain them and benefit financially if ever they went onto the market.

London MPs should get zero, as they live there (give them a annual tube ticket or similar).

In the longer term, if we vote for enough SNP MPs, we can eventually eliminate the need for any Scottish taxpeyers money going into the London property market. Another reason for Independence.
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23/06/2008 13:53:48
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 23/06/2008 14:32:51
The MP's should be made to live in Council Estates in south London while they are away from home. Let them see what it is like for normal working people and how their policies affect the community.

Let them also use the NHS and public schools for their families since they do such a great job.

Unfortunately the reality is they will keep taking our money until we make a stand. People are rightly concerned for the direction of the government and the whole UK.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 23/06/2008 16:13:05
Few of them are worth £40K period, never mind a £40K increase.

#48 - agreed - we need more of a say. The internet although not perfect could provide a useful way of regulating these madnesses and that includes general legislation and referenda as well as specific issues like the MPs - short for Mega Pay now.
49

ebbi,

spain 23/06/2008 16:19:48
if our parliamentarians are not happy with their salaries and conditions they are always more than welcome to quit and never stand for this job!!!!
why do we have to bribe these corrupt people?why should they get a huge pay rise in the midst of a recession where people can't make ends meet and can't pay their mortgages?
i am astonished to see that they are still insisting on such a big rise.are they blind ? can't they see the financial situation of the majority of the country's householders?
shame on you and your audacity!!!!!
i am going to be sick with anger.
50

ebbi,

spain 23/06/2008 16:23:18
once you become an mp,you're given a passport to rip off the taxpayer without any fear of the law because they set the rules to do what they want.i am absolutely furious.
51

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 23/06/2008 18:08:22
re#52. REMOVED FOR SAYING "thankyou for pointing out the level of ignorance and malevolence from this particular sad troll."

AND THAT JUSTIFYS REMOVAL. PERHAPS THE REMOVER WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH TO COME ON HERE AND EXPLAIN WHY, DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE? I DOUBT IT.

WHAT A PATHETIC FORUM YOU HAVE MADE THIS, DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ADDING TO THE UNIONIST RANKS, WRONG?

ALBA GU BRATH.
52

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 23/06/2008 18:43:57
#1 Angus Ogg
Have quickly scanned through the posts, and cannot see a direct response to you.
How about the Honesty Party?
Enter all cynics stage left.
53

Joe Macdelta.,

23/06/2008 19:04:33
I think 40p, sounds about right.
54

Angus Ogg,

23/06/2008 19:09:21
#59, Van Diesel,

Thanks for that.

I feel a letter coming on. Directed to the honourable Martin Bell, former MP who ousted the disgraced Neil Hamilton MP on the anti-sleeze ticket.

With your permission, I think I will ask Mr Bell if he might consider joining together in starting up the "Honesty Party" in an effort to remove the pig snouted ones from their greedy wee troughs.
55

JayDeeTee,

23/06/2008 20:07:51
This will cost the country about £30million (based on 700 MPs or so. How many svchools or hospitals can you build with that. Probably not many privately I suppose (the Government's preferred method these days).

What irkes me is some MPs seem to work a bit harder than others. It makes my blood boil to see some of these chancers getting this. You know the ones I mean, those with second, third and even fourth jobs on the side as "advisors" on the board of companies etc etc.

Let's be having a list of these b_stards so we can name and shame them.

56

Alberto.,

23/06/2008 22:23:01
It seems like the door of 'great opportunity'is now being thrown 'wide open' - no doubt so that the seemingly massive 'expenses dodge' can still meander on its way, completely uninterrupted and also being classed as 'official and within the rules' - no matter the great cost to the Taxpayer!

The whole irea of payment of 'expenses' of any nature without the production of 'official paid' receipts should not be allowed - no matter how their dreams might be disturbed! All payments made from the Public purse and classified as 'official expenses' must be transparent and visible -any other system no matter how nmuch they may be preferred must not be allowed or even thought of as satisfactory for any consideration!

The simple fact that they seem so 'desperate' to keep their 'expenses' from view can only mena they have something going on that must seem very dodgy - and probably is, and that would seem sufficient reason not to entertain the idea!

From Press reports about Michael Martin - the Speaker, and his claims - which have been paid, presumably year on year, for a mortgage that apparently was not in existence, beggars belief, and presumably is true as there does not seem to be any denial of the fact, nor does there appear to be any legal action for libel / slander in the matter!

It is greatly worrying, and beyond understanding that in all this 're-arrangement of MP's Pay and expenses - especially the expenses aspect, that Michael Martin has been chosen - or maybe, more than likely, 'self-appointed or volunteered to 'sort out’ such matters considering reports we read about his ‘official financial affairs!’

The whole aspect of our MP’s and their monetary ‘dabblings’, which seem to be driven by Personal greed gives much for very serious consideration - and they should know better!
57

Kent2,

23/06/2008 23:03:05
62 JayDeeTee

Agreed, there’s something sleazy about MP’s lining their pockets with directorships, consultancies, etc, whilst being paid to represent their constituencies.

The Tories during the 80’s and 90’s were the worst offenders but the Labour party MP’s have now got their snouts buried deeply in the trough and they are just as bad.

Someone must have a list of all the MP’s who get paid for their outside ‘interests’, hopefully it will be posted with the sums of money involved.
58

Resolutions,

23/06/2008 23:18:54
Is it just me, or do I get the impression that it seems to be anything goes but tranparency in this expenses/allowaces business in Westminster?

There are more kinks in this siuation than there are in one of those slinkies
59

Mike555,

24/06/2008 00:16:36
Is there any way we can rid this country of Politicians? Why do we need them? They are a blight on humanity as most of them pick up their cash by doing sweet FA.

There should be some kind of system where MP's are paid by results. If that was the case most MP's would be broke in no time as they don't do anything in or out of parliament.

Must be great, turn up and get paid eh, what a hoot and you and me paying for it!!!


 

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