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MSPs award themselves £1.4m rise in allowances for staff and office costs



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Published Date: 13 June 2008
MSPs yesterday awarded themselves a £1.4 million increase in allowances for employing staff and running their offices.
The cash will be shared out between members – despite a recommendation that constituency MSPs should be better funded than those elected from the regional lists.

The change also saw the end of the controversial allowance which enabled MSPs to invest in the Edinburgh property market. Instead, it will only be allowed for rent and hotel bills.

In a bitter debate, MSPs were sharply divided over how the extra money should be carved up.

The vote was based on the independent review carried out by Dundee University principal Sir Alan Langlands into allowances. He recommended that constituency MSPs' allowances should increase from £48,000 to £62,000, whilst regional list members should drop to £45,000.

This was backed by the Labour, which is mostly made of constituency MSPs, who argued the report was based on evidence and should not be altered.

However, the SNP, Conservatives and Greens, who consist primarily of list members, forced through a compromise giving all MSPs £56,000 each.

After the vote, Michael MacMahon, who argued the case for Labour, said: "We knew we were going to lose because the Tories, SNP and Greens stitched up the vote beforehand. But it is a shame they have decided to cut the wages of constituency MSPs staff for party-political gain."

However, Trisha Marwick, a Nationalist MSP whose amendment won the day, said: "I am happy to see that the important democratic principle that all MSPs and their staff are equal has been accepted by the majority of this parliament The parliament was founded on principles of equality and it is important those are maintained."

Earlier in the debate, Ross Finnie, a Lib Dem MSP, described the idea of a two-tier allowances system as "insulting."

A suggestion by Margo MacDonald, the independent MSP, that all members should claim £62,000 was also defeated.

The review was originally called due to concerns over the Edinburgh accommodation allowance, which allowed MSPs to claim back interest on mortgages for properties they bought in Edinburgh. There was a belief that some MSPs were cashing in on the Edinburgh property market and Sir Alan recommended the money should only be used for rent and hotel bills.

The vote draws a line under a running sore in Holyrood which has seen controversies around purchases made by high-profiles MSPs, including Stewart Stevenson, Fergus Ewing, Nicol Stephen and Mike Rumbles.

FACT BOX

BEFORE

Edinburgh accommodation allowance: Could be used for mortgages, rents and hotel bills as well as general household expenses.

Office and staff: Each MSP could claim £48,000 a year.

Petrol: MSPs could claim 49p per mile.

Travel expenses: Family travel payment between constituency and Edinburgh was allowed.

AFTER

Edinburgh accommodation allowance: After 2011 cannot be used for mortgages and no new mortgages will be allowed.

Office and staff: Each MSP can now claim up to £56,000 a year.

Petrol: MSPs can claim 40p per mile.

Travel expenses: Family travel axed but more available for staff.

The full article contains 526 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 June 2008 9:46 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Politicians' expenses
 
1

Nikostratos,

13/06/2008 00:26:34


Why should they get any extra money on what justification apart from being able to get thier snouts deeper into the trough...The gravy train rumbles on even with a minority snp ££Government££.

One thing is for sure politicians get more and more money££ every year that goes by....And whomever in charge doesn't make any difference to that outcome.

Snp Government same as all the rest£££££££
2

Nikostratos,

13/06/2008 00:44:31
#3

Oh yeah and what are you doing up this late .That's what i want to know...

Being all egalitarian throwing other peoples (working taxpayers ) cash about to all and sundry
3

Nikostratos,

13/06/2008 00:47:37
spook who are you supporting for Euro 2008 i bet its poland
4

Nikostratos,

13/06/2008 00:56:27
#7 spooky

I'm for Spain meself.
5

indune1,

canada 13/06/2008 01:07:03

Spookie- Spain? Nah. They choke every time.

6

Scottish Politics,

13/06/2008 02:04:42
It isn't PAY and it isn't a "snouts in the trough" thing. This is for providing office staff to help their constituents with any problems they may have.
7

Otis Boone,

Sacramento 13/06/2008 06:17:45
I wish the following could be done here in California. You Scots have a government that is more likely to hear your concerns, so take it and hope for the best:

"Whereas the citizenry cast votes to elect us as their servants,

Whereas the sacred right to cast a vote ensures that the choice of the citizenry has been demonstrated,

Whereas the citizenry that votes also provides the revenue for the government to operate and function through taxation,

Be it resolved by this body that increases in funding of government operations and salary and wages of elected officials, government leaders and associated staff, outside of the rate of inflation per annum, shall not be in effect until approved by the citizenry in the election following passage of the authorizing legislation from this body."

I think that would solve the problem of politicians raising taxes just to spend more money on pet projects and patronage.
8

Jimmy the Pie,

13/06/2008 06:31:02
Did His Lardship, Lord Foolkes defy the New Labour Sleaze whip and vote against the party????

And as for that idiot MacMahon, saying: "We knew we were going to lose because the Tories, SNP and Greens stitched up the vote beforehand."

So voting against New Labour Sleaze is "stitching up the vote"?? What an arrogant tos$er.

His day will surely come.
9

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/06/2008 07:14:24
MSPs should earn the national average wage, and not a penny more. Higher pay just attracts career politicians and carpet baggers. I mean, just look at the dross we've got.
10

Scotish Exile,

13/06/2008 07:48:40
#12.....cr8p my friend, you can try and dress it up whatever way you want, but it is more money for them to "give" jobs to their relations and pals without advertising the post.

All those who voted "yes", hang your heads in shame
11

Ron Thomson,

calonge 13/06/2008 08:07:21
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/HoCallowances0506current.pdf

This is the latest Expense Accounts for MPs and Lords, this was just Posted on Thursday and it is quite shocking what they claim.
12

Courtney,

East Molesey 13/06/2008 08:19:50
Politicians snouts even further into the trough. What an abuse of taxpayer's money!
13

JimC,

Kilmarnock 13/06/2008 08:53:17
#16 Scotish Exile
I think you will find that with the SNP they pool their staff costs, i.e. they share staff between a number of MSP's see here for details.
http://mspallowances.scottish.parliament.uk/MSPAllowances/Default.aspx
14

It's me!,

13/06/2008 08:58:40
"After 2011 cannot be used for mortgages and no new mortgages will be allowed".

Why wait until 2011? Why not now? Another three years of snouts in the trough helping themselves to taxpayers money.
15

gwp,

Glasgow 13/06/2008 09:02:59
#15 I agree with you - This increase, just like their counterparts in England & Wales is to get past the 1.9% pay rise they have restricted themselves to - they just increase, and keep increasing by ridiculous amounts the expenses they claim.

This is public money and you and I pay for it. Most of these politician are self serving individuals who like the sounds of their own voices.
16

Miss H,

13/06/2008 09:05:58
2 You know perfectly well that allowances are for office and staff costs, not for MSPs personally.

The allowances paid to parliamentarians in Scotland are the lowest in the UK. They are not just lower than MPs allowances they are lower than Welsh Assembly members get. The chances are they are the lowest in Europe.

I get the feeling that some people would welcome that. They would be proud that Scots hold their elected representatives and the work they do in contempt. But if you think about it what that means is that we hold ourselves in contempt. After all, we elect them to do a job for us and then moan about it.

It’s part of the complex pattern of self-hatred known as the Scottish cringe.


17

A Crofter,

Western Isles 13/06/2008 09:07:44
Why don't they all go and get a proper job? All these Stonyrooders do is redistribute the pocket money lobbed in our direction fron Westminster. Not one of them has ever taken the slightest responsibility for the outrageous costs of their pretentious HQ!

Politicians at every level - from local councillors to MEPs - are parasites on the rest of society and regard themselves as superior to us. Just an excuse for endless junketing and milking the last penny in expenses.

Why are there so many of these scroungers? Because they watch each others' backs and studiously control their own privileges. Time we had independent panels to determine numbers, pay and perks.
18

Doh,

13/06/2008 09:25:15


They should reduce the number of MSPS to 100 and cut the number of hangers-on.

Then get rid of all the MPs, the MSPs should just send a delegation to "joint" sessions of the British parliament as necessary.

19

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 13/06/2008 09:38:24
I wonder if Mike Russell MSP is still employing Nicola Sturgeon's mum as his office manager? This is one of the clever little ploys MSPs use to be able to say that 'I do not employ a family member'; they employ EACH OTHER'S family members.

All nice and cosy; the sound of little trotters clacking to the piggy trough.
20

Thistledhu,

13/06/2008 09:41:10
far too much money spent on msp stafing costs there is in addition to this a nice wee money spinner going on where the local party hires out an office they then sub let it (at a higher rent of course ) to the respective partys local MSP who pays for it through there expense allowance and of course the party pockets the diffrence at our expense i personally know of one MSP who does this
21

Boggle fey the Bog,

13/06/2008 09:45:50
MSP's are limited to a salary of no more than 87.5% of their Westminster counterparts. However staff get an awful lot less, most MSP's staff would be very happy to receive emoluments equivalent to their Westminster counterparts, but unfortunately Alex Salmond appears not to agree with that.

"A motion has been tabled for debate in the Scottish Parliament for Thursday lunchtime (12th June) which backs the independent Langlands report on minimum pay scales for employees who work for members of the Scottish Parliament. These scales would give a minimum of £20,559 for researchers and £16,821 for admin staff. It is expected that the SNP will seek to amend the motion to reduce staff budgets and to scrap the pay scales. The Conservatives, the Greens and Margo MacDonald are all reported to be supporting the SNP.

GMB represents many of the staff who work for MSPS. GMB Officers of the GMB Congress in Plymouth have accused First Minister Alex Salmond of double standards for trying to block salary scales and fair wages for staff as recommended by the independent review.

Salmond's SNP group at Holyrood are arguing against pay scales aimed at protecting the salaries of MSPs' staff from being squeezed by other MSP office expenses and for them to keep pace with the salaries of their Westminster counterparts."

That is how it stands. I notice that the Hootsmaun has concentrated on MSP expenses, but has not mentioned that staff are on very low wages in comparison to their Westminster counterparts, and in most cases a lot less than 87.5% of their rate.

If the increases in allowances for staff are passed on to staff to rectify this anomaly then so be it, but if it is to be used as an alternate 'source of income' for MSP's then it is immoral and wrong.

I am an avowed nationalist, but not a blind one, and on this occasion I feel Wee Eck is wrong, as are the SNP MSP's who support his stand on Staff wages.

If 87.5% is good enough for them, it is also good enough for the
22

Boggle fey the Bog,

13/06/2008 09:48:02
Cont: from 28

I am an avowed nationalist, but not a blind one, and on this occassion I feel Wee Eck is wrong, as are the SNP MSP's who support his stand on Staff wages.

If 87.5% is good enough for them, it is also good enough for their staff.
23

vorlic,

edinburgh 13/06/2008 09:48:53
once again tax payers are taken for a ride.
24

Rickie,

Reality 13/06/2008 10:15:20
I wonder if this means that Trisha's office will now actually open and the 'staff' will appear to work?
25

Miss H,

13/06/2008 10:18:19
26 You mean Councillor Sturgeon surely? That is a more important factor than who her daughter is. A lot of MSPs of all parties employ councillors to help in their constituency offices. It makes perfect sense as there is a lot of cross-over between the work that councillors and MSPs do. Don’t forget that most devolved services are actually delivered by local government. An understanding of how local government services work is therefore essential - and who better to understand how local government works than a councillor?

Or is that a bit too logical for you?
26

Thistledhu,

13/06/2008 10:22:30
32 and they councilers go on to claim there own expenses for the so called work they are allready paid for it is a scam pure and simple
27

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13/06/2008 10:31:51
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28

JayJay,

Right here 13/06/2008 10:33:18
Miss H
I can only assume you work for a MSP or are in some way involved in the politicians club.
"Who better to understand how local government works than a councillor" is a statement beyond parody, when we have story after story of bizarre and corrupt practices at a local government level. Who can forget the great performance of West Dunbartonshire Council who, more than a year after being told it was common practice to operate with a budget at the start of the financial year (in the midst of an Accounts Commission report that was essentially critical of all material aspects of the Councils work), was able to start a new financial year without one! Or the fine work of East Lothian Council where the leader makes himself redundant, gets a huge pay off, appoints his sidekick to run the show, then has to return the money because... whoops his behaviour was certainly not within the letter of the law.
We can do with far, far fewer characters who live and breathe the political system advising politicians. We can do without MPs, Councillors, MSPs and MSPs staff who move effortlessly from school to the political machine without ever troubling the real world for a job. These are the very people who can create laws for political fundraising, then claim not to know how those laws work!!
How on earth, for example, do you justify the truly idiotic move to allow the second home scheme to continue until 2011? Do these clowns have any idea what the public actually thinks? I expect not because they appear to employ only those who "know the system" and crucially, know how to operate at the fringes of the system.
29

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 10:43:26
24#

I am a bit puzzled at the call for a cull of MP's?
Surely, that means Independence!
30

pwd,

Borders 13/06/2008 10:54:18
Holyrood! What an expensive waste of time.
31

Mike555,

13/06/2008 10:57:06
The majority of MSP's are in it for the money they make from you and me. Holyrood is just another expensive layer of government we did not need. Just what has this mob done for you and me?? Are they currently worth the money they are paid?
32

WMSART,

MUSSELBURGH 13/06/2008 10:59:44
1.

THEY SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING ENGLISH MATTERS IN THE UK PARLIAMENT, GIVE THEM DOEVOLUTION THE SAME AS THE REST OF UK AND THIER OWN ASSEMBLY, AND ELECT THIER OWN MEPs OR SIMILAR
33

thinking,

Scotland 13/06/2008 11:11:45
We have more than three times the number of MPs and MSPs than before devolution.
Is that because the modern politicians aren't capable of doing as much as earlier politicians did?
34

john z,

edinburgh 13/06/2008 11:20:03
The real snouts in the trough, are to be found (surprise, surprise) in Westminster. In 2006, MP expenses in Westminster totalled (Gasp!) 87.6 Million pounds. That worked out at 135,600 pounds per MP, before Salary.

So, to save money, Scotland needs independence. The MSP's in Scotland offer very good value for money. They are extremely cheap, with lower salaries and much lower expenses than to be found in Westminster and most parliaments worldwide.

The running costs of Holyrood are a tiny miniscule fraction of the costs associated with the grandiose Palace of Westminster.
35

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 13/06/2008 12:07:54
These pay and expense rises are endemic worldwide and what one REALLY expect a politician - a slimy reptile one step above - or below - a lawyer but then most politicians are lawyers - to refuse another grunting, groaning, swilling dip in the taxpayer's trough?

There will be much nepotism and jobs created with no real duties just to reward family and friends with the hard-earned money of the beleaguered taxpayers of Scotland.

How long can these political pigs go back to the trough before the swill runs out.

I apologise to all pigs for comparing them to politicians.
36

Bemused and above it all,

13/06/2008 13:35:37
Worked in the NHS for 15 years and my expenses are still at the same rate, cant ever remember being asked to vote on how much of a pay increase I should get or how much my exspenses should go up by.
Still Labour can pin this on the SNP though eh?
37

monkey man,

13/06/2008 13:59:46
There should be a referendum to abolish Holyrood and go back to our natural home in Westminster.
38

Alan B,

13/06/2008 14:02:47
#44
Would be far better to stop sending mps to westmister and that corrupt excuse for a parliament.
39

Alan B,

13/06/2008 14:09:46
In regard to the expenses issue.

Firstly this is not money for the msp but money for to run their consituency office and employ staff.

I think we need clear splits between what are personal expenses and constituency office and political expenses.

With regard to constituency expenses we need to ask do we want the direct contact with mps. Is there any point to mps having constituency surgeries. Who comes to see them and for what purpose.

If we want this we have to pay for it. If we do not then we can stop paying the expenses.

As it is more appropriate to go to ur msp rather than mp for most issues then it does seem that we should stop mp expenses.
40

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 13/06/2008 14:42:24
If run several businesses and if I wish to claim for a business expense I have incurred while running these businesses I must submit a claim to the inland revenue.

It is a scandal that they make the rules for my business then go on and claim for clearly domestic and recreational expenses.

Can you imagine my tax return. Train/plane/taxi costs for wife visit me in Edinburgh/London being on a self assessment.

One rule throughout the land. If they feel that rule is not serving their best interests then it is not serving mine either.
41

steve52,

Kinfauns 13/06/2008 14:45:30
I agree that they should all be paid the same. However they are over paid as it is without deciding on higher earnings for themselves.

I wish my boss would let me decide on how much I should earn.

Of course the Libliars will grab this with both hands as their noses are deeper in the trough than the rest of them.
42

fritigern,

Inverness 13/06/2008 15:18:24
Why are MSPs and MPs who employ their relatives, without presumably advertising the posts, not charged under race relations legislation? How can a person of a different race from the MSPs and MPs possibly get a job?
43

Thistledhu,

13/06/2008 15:32:34
there should be offfices owned and run by local goverment no opportunity or excuse for such outlandish claims of course that is too simple and will probaly never happen as self intrest controls all political thought
44

Miss H,

13/06/2008 15:46:02
There is a simple solution for all the cynics here who don't like politicians.

Do without them.

Scrap the parliaments, scrap the councils.

If all they are is pigs with their snouts in a trough we can do without them.

So let's think about that.
45

Nikostratos,

13/06/2008 17:05:53
#51 Miss H

Have thought about it and its a damn good idea....Just think no politicos sigh! how good is that. I mean the Declaration of Arbroath didn't have one elected politician involved and if it was good enough for them.
46

Miss H,

13/06/2008 20:56:01
52 So you want to go back to the 14th century do you? When life was nasty, brutish and for most people rather short!

I don't think you really mean that.

47

yoric,

13/06/2008 22:54:07
The more i hear about the Scottish Parliament the more it reminds me of one of these African corrupt dictatorships where money is siphoned off into pockets whilst the people starve.
48

The Pict.,

14/06/2008 02:52:11
Notable those crybabies, who still have the 'cap in hand while kneeling as they doff their bunnets and apologize to their English masters for the nerve of Scottish politicians getting money to pay their SCOTTISH staff and other expenses',are the same ones who suck it up when the English M.P.'s receive more money to pay their ENGLISH staff.

GET A BACKBONE lackies. Oh, and well said Miss H. # 22

Salinte.
49

Mike555,

24/06/2008 00:53:09
Last word on the subject - These so called politicians in government are in this business for money and nothing else. If they can't stand the pay then they should get out.

The more they can screw from you and me the better it is for them it seems. They do not live in the real world and they really don't give a thought about you and me, only how much they can screw from the system.

Look at Mr Martin the "Speaker" who uses his office to splurge out on taxis for shopping trips for his wife and then says it was for official government business -my what a fibber!!!!

Get them out I say!!!

 

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