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£2,000 an inch and road rage rumbles on



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Published Date: 15 February 2008
A FIVE-mile motorway extension in Glasgow is expected to become Britain's most expensive road after its cost rocketed to £657 million – or £2,000 an inch.
'It stinks' say protesters but business and civic leaders hail 'crucial' boost
'It stinks' say protesters but business and civic leaders hail 'crucial' boost
Ministers admit the controversial M74 link, which was given the final go-ahead yesterday, will cost some 50 per cent more than previous estimates due to delays and inflation. The six-lane road is expected to cost £131 million a mile – compared with £79 million a mile for Britain's next-biggest road scheme, widening the M25 round London.

The news comes a week after The Scotsman reported fears that the cost had soared, as the latest deadline for agreeing the contract for the road was missed.

Business leaders welcomed the long-awaited deal for construction to start, but environmental campaigners said the project would be disastrous.

Work is expected to begin in May on extending the motorway from south-east Glasgow to the Kingston Bridge, creating a short-cut for through traffic and taking 20,000 vehicles a day off the M8.



Click here to download detailed map of M74 route

However, it is due to be finished three years later than planned, in 2011, and it still faces the threat of an investigation by the European Commission over government officials' handling of the contract. The Greens have filed a complaint over two contracts being combined and several potential rival companies combining as a single consortium to lodge the sole bid for the work.

Rebecca Lush Blum, from the Campaign for Better Transport, said: "The M74 is the most expensive road per mile in Britain – a colossal waste of £650 million. This road stinks – both the suspect letting of the contract and the extra pollution caused.

"The public inquiry reporter concluded the claimed benefits were highly dubious, and that it will just increase carbon emissions and pollution at a time when we should be doing all we can to reduce them."

She said there was no formula for calculating how fast the road would fill up with traffic, but assessments of several English schemes showed far faster growth than projected – the so-called "M25 effect", which was coined after it was demonstrated in a report by the government's own advisers in 1994.

Duncan McLaren, the chief executive of Friends of the Earth Scotland, said: "It's sad that the government is going ahead with this disastrous road."

But some transport experts said it was still worth the money. Dr Jon Shaw, the director of the Centre for Sustainable Transport at Plymouth University, said: "Even with this figure, the benefit-cost ratio is hugely positive. Sometimes new infrastructure on this scale is warranted – simple as that."

However, Dr David Gray, of Aberdeen University, said the cost was nearly 60 times the Scottish Government's annual budget for supporting sustainable and active travel – its primary policy for tackling climate change emissions from transport.

Iain McMillan, the director of CBI Scotland, welcomed the go-ahead for the road, which followed his organisation's long campaign for such a "crucial" project. He said: "The completion of the M74 will ensure that west central Scotland's connectivity is enhanced, whilst alleviating the pressure on the busiest stretch of the M8 motorway through Glasgow."

Dr Lesley Sawers, the chief executive of Glasgow Chamber of Commerce, said it was "great news" but added it was imperative that construction started as soon as possible. She said: "A decision on the M74 is long overdue and we are pleased that the Scottish Government has listened and responded to the case put forward by business and given the project the go-ahead."

Two years ago, the former Scottish Executive decided to press ahead with the scheme against the advice of the conclusions of a public inquiry.

Environmental groups challenged the decision at the Court of Session, but abandoned the case because of the likely costs of losing. That legal move and subsequent delay has added at least £20 million to the project.

The scheme, which has been on ice since an initial section was finished in 1994, was estimated at £240 million in 2001 but increased the next year to between £375 million and £500 million, partly because more contaminated land than expected was found. Yesterday's further increase to £657 million is 50 per cent more than the mid-range of the previous estimate.

The Scottish Government's Transport Scotland agency, which is in charge of the project, said any further cost increase would be paid for by the construction consortium.

A spokesman said: "As with other design-and-build contracts, the construction price is fixed and the contractor would bear the construction risk."

A deal with the Interlink M74 consortium should have been completed a week ago, but the formal contract signing is now expected in the next two weeks.

The spokesman said the previous £375-£500 million estimate was based on prices for 2008, when the road was due to be finished; the new figure reflected 2011 prices. He said: "It is clear there is significant inflation in the construction market. Likely causes are, among other things, price of materials, oil and the influence of the London Olympics in 2012."

He added that construction industry inflation was 6 per cent.

The road will mean some 15 acres of wildlife habitats being lost, but they are not protected sites.

Builders will aim to minimise disturbance of contaminated land from old factories, containing the likes of chromium and heavy metals. Such areas will be sealed off and contaminated groundwater treated. Old mine workings along the route will be filled by pumping cement-type material through boreholes to seal and stabilise them.

Stewart Stevenson, the transport minister, said: "This government has always been committed to the M74 project.

"Following an internal review of the procurement processes, the government is confident that the procedures are robust.

"The bid achieves value for money and I am determined to ensure that there is robust management of this scheme in order to protect the public purse."

Steven Purcell, the leader of Glasgow City Council, said: "This is tremendous news for jobs, for commuters and for the 2014 Commonwealth Games."

Alan Wilson, the chief executive of the Scottish Council for Development and Industry, said: "This is great news for the West of Scotland economy, with the completion of the motorway network's 'missing link' promising to open up development in some of the most deprived parts of the country."

THE PROS
Cut congestion/ journey times
Regenerate south- east Glasgow
Improve access for 2014 Commonwealth Games
Reduce accidents
Create jobs
Improve air quality in city centre
Clean up contaminated land
Reduce road noise

THE CONS
Generate more traffic
Increase carbon emissions
Harm environment
Damage health
Public-transport alternatives not considered
"Socially inequitable" use of public funds
Jobs moved rather than created Communities severed

WHAT YOU COULD GET FOR £657 MILLION

ONE
Mona Lisa, which is insured for about the same amount.

THREE
Major hospitals – Edinburgh Royal Infirmary cost £ 184 million.

20
New secondary schools at £ 30 million each.



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1

Senga Jean,

Scotland 15/02/2008 00:17:07
JUST BUILD THE DAMNE.D THING
2

The poster formerly known as "A with circumflex",

. . . Irrelevant 15/02/2008 00:17:18
Will this be the deleted thread of the day?
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The Chattering Nationalists Forum Moderator,

15/02/2008 00:21:00
2 Only if our in house 24/7 tranny shows up as a fake.
4

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 15/02/2008 00:35:12
Hello All,

Like I said before, you people are getting ripped off and you don't even seem hacked about it. Slaves already are we?

Further, the article's Pros and Cons are contradictory: less congestion means greater traffic flow, which means less time the motor runs (because you get to your destination faster), so how does that 'harm' the environment?

Again under the P and C list (how appropriate that acronym for the Scotsman) we have clean up of contaminated ground and bettering the air quality in the city, so again, how is the 'environment harmed', looks like it'll be improved to me.

The Politically Correct dimwits are at it again, no one is calling for a full accounting of why the cost of the expansion is running at 130 MILLION POUNDS a mile, and in fact, no one really cares it seems.

You Scots deserve to be taxed into bankruptcy.

Cheers from the Rockies
5

Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

15/02/2008 00:38:23
#4 woteva
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/02/2008 00:57:24
How much is that in €'s per millimetre?
7

truthsleuth,

15/02/2008 00:58:02
#4 Neanderthal75

Your title is very apt it is clear your thinking powers only extend to or exist in your exhaust pipe.

A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY.

It WILL INCREASE POLLUTION Most hours of most days the traffic flows OK and congestion exists only in the mids of petrol heads.
Increased speed above 50 mph results in increased fuel consumption.
New roads generate more traffic and this and other such projects will do so and simply move the traffic congestion further down stream

8

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 15/02/2008 01:06:51
Now I'll admit I don't know much about this but it seems like a very high price for a road.

Why does it cost more to build this road than to widen the M25?

I certainly don't know the rush-hour traffic patterns in Glasgow but building a road that tumps more traffic at the Kingston bridge doesn't seem like a wise idea to me.
9

Silent Hunter,

15/02/2008 01:29:54
Well someone in the 'Governing Party' will make a nice little earner from this, methinks ;O)

PIGS.........TROUGH................SNOUTS

BTW can anyone explain why the link between a senior member of the Electoral Commission giving money to Bendy Wendy's campaign funds has been conspicuous by its absence on the pages of the Scotsman?

Helllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooo???

Investigative Journalism, someone?.......PLEASE!
10

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 15/02/2008 01:50:43
WISH TO HELL I COULD GET A CONTRACT OVER THERE
11

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15/02/2008 03:12:45
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 15/02/2008 03:34:36
Dudes,

Does the M74 have a surface depth of 12 inches or is it like the German Autobahn, which has a surface depth of 22 inches.?

Hey Dudes, does the Grafitti on the M74 sign, represent the intellectual level of Scots education.

Happy Haggis day

GC

13

Royster,

15/02/2008 03:40:29
What is Robin Harper, Scotland's worst political leader, doing about this? Why is he still in bed with Salmond? He seems infatuated by him.
14

An Australian of Scottish Ancestry,

15/02/2008 04:05:13
As usual, Royster, your remarks indicate a profound lack of insight and acuity.

How's the weather in sh***y old England?
15

The Trossachs Hasher,

15/02/2008 04:34:29
You know, I really don't get this at all. £657 million for a 5 mile stretch of road which will allegedly benefit the west of scotland economy. I did not think the WofS economy was that bad. Is the CBI trying to say that there are businesses that will not trade with WofS because this 5 mile stretch of road is missing or - worse - that they cannot actually get to Glasgow because it is missing.

Certainly on the map it all looks very nice and direct, but strewth - £657 million? Reasons given for the increase are cost of materials (OK), oil (OK there too) but the London Olympics in 2012? Ehhhhhhhhh?

Maybe this is the reason that every other budget in govermentdom is being cut and the roads budget is the only one that seems to stretch to infinity.

I think someone wants to get a grip here. IF the government is going to spent £657 millions I really want to actually SEE the benefit and not some woolly and intangible assumption that business will increase.

One of the benefits mooted is that it will regenerate the south east of Glasgow and clean up contaminated land. Why not just clear the contaminated land, build council houses on them and help a lot of people whcih cannot afford to buy in today's ridiculous market,get their own home.

Now THAT's what I call a benefit!!
16

Royster,

15/02/2008 04:54:46
#17. How much insight do you need? The more Salmond rogers Harper, the more he seems to like it. He is dreadful and has zero impact. He makes Geoffrey Howe look like Saddam Hussein.
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15/02/2008 05:57:46
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Royster,

15/02/2008 06:14:10
#20. MacAlba: The coming independence (c2007). The union is the most successful political alliance ever. This is a fact. Sorry your visa application to work in the UK was turned down by the Home Office. Enjoy yourself in Australia.
19

calum,

15/02/2008 06:40:34
What else could you get for £657m? ----- um, eh... another TramLINE in Edinburgh to benefit ....eh, well, never mind that.
At least will help regenerate an area badly in need of a lift for many years and one of the most congested (and therefore economically damaging) areas of Scotland.
#20 No point in building just houses if there's no jobs and there will be no jobs without a proper transport infrastructure which includes roads.
20

calum,

15/02/2008 06:41:51
....#I meant 18. Sorry.
21

Princess Kevin,

with my measuring tape 15/02/2008 06:43:48
2000 per inch, man i must be worth about 14000 grand. wooooo!
22

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15/02/2008 06:53:03
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Royster,

15/02/2008 06:59:06
#25. Please get help. Unfortunately as you are a non-resident foreigner, it is not available on our great National Health Service.
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Captain Fantastic,

Anywhere but here 15/02/2008 07:00:57
I can't see how this very expensive road will do much to relieve congestion at the Kingston Bridge as it will be relieving traffic coming from the south and not the Glasgow-Edinburgh axis, which is where most of the traffic comes from. The problem of congestion at the bridge IS the bridge as the traffic has to funnel down to two lanes. There was a proposal to widen the bridge a few years ago but that seems to have disappeared, probably because of the need to wipe out Charing Cross to provide the space for the approaches. There may be a small reduction in traffic initially, but experience of other relief roads, such as the Banbury bypass in Oxfordshire, is that it doesn't last long and, oh, the economic 'benefits' are hard to assess too.
25

Royster,

15/02/2008 07:02:01
MacAlba: The Coming Independence (visa denied)
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15/02/2008 07:07:14
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Royster,

15/02/2008 07:13:15
MacAlba: The Coming Independence (visa denied). So how many Home Office visa applications did you put in?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 15/02/2008 07:14:29
Only £2000 an inch? Why Alex's waist line alone costs us more than that.
29

Royster,

15/02/2008 07:15:27
MacAlba: The Coming Independence (visa denied). I suppose you're now on the look-out for one of those dodgy Portuguese passports.
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Marcus MacLean,

15/02/2008 07:20:42
This is a great victory for common sense - no longer will a small group of out of touch environazis be able to hold up the economic development of the West Coast.

Three cheers for the Government for making the right call on this one.
31

fife runner,

15/02/2008 07:30:40
the M77 was built to alleviate congestion. Try using it at peak time. The St James interchange was upgraded to speed traffic through leading to build up on the Kingston Bridge approaches as traffic hit it faster. The M74 traffic will lead to a speeding up onto the Bridge area. A few years after it is built the M74 extension will be just as congested as any other road. Look at any other road building project and tell me one that has led to less traffic problems?

I am not anti car but anti over use, as you will find many so called tree dwellers are (I am not one but have spoken to some) There is talk of upgrading the rail line to Inverness at a cost of £59m. Heck that would not buy a lorry load of tar for the new extension.

Getting back to my previous question tell me one road that has been built to alleviate congestion doing so before anyone rants on about my posting. If you can then I stand corrected. We must make better sue of public transport and spend the vast sums on that being spent now on white elephants. Eg more freight by rail. It might even mean people walking to bus stops or rail stations. Perhaps that is the crux of the matter people will not walk. That is why school kids are taken 100's of metres by car to school gates so people will not need to walk. I am not kidding. I see it every day around here.
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fife runner,

15/02/2008 07:34:40
#33 tell me one road built that has not eventually bunged up then tell me who is nonsensical? I can name M25, M6, M74 south of extension in Lanarkshire M77 Edinburgh By Pass, to name but a few
33

Joe,

Livingston 15/02/2008 07:51:49
Audit Scotland should have been called in?
Cost will escalate to over £1bn and will the SNP have any credibilty then? Apart from that the A1 dualling would have been 'a road for Scotland', 'a road for the nation', rather than the M74 extension becoming yet another 'useless stretch of motorway' for Glasgow.
34

eric,

Lothian 15/02/2008 07:53:23
I agree ,Glasgow Airport Train link will be running in few years ,The Glasgow Crossrail Is a priority now ,So folk can travel from Edinburgh and east through to Glasgow Airport taking more folk off M8.
35

Joe,

Harthill Rim 15/02/2008 07:58:57
"Steven Purcell, the leader of Glasgow City Council, said: "This is tremendous news for jobs, for commuters and for the 2014 Commonwealth Games."
Oh dear. The Edinburgh Fringe festival sold more tickets than the last CG in Manchester. How about an Edinburgh City bypass upgrade to Motorway standard in anticipation?
36

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 07:59:29
#34 - The M77 has massively reduced congestion through what were previously residential areas in many parts and put it on a segregated motorway. This has also reduced accidents and saved lives.
37

Albawolf,

St Andrew 15/02/2008 08:00:57
You could get the A9 from Perth to Inverness as it should have been............

Should have been had a Glasgow party finance minister not cut it...........

Now we see Glasgow continue to get excess expenditure (upto £2000 plus an INCH....)

Mr Salmond and company you were elected to sort this OUT not continue it........

How many seats did you win in Glasgow...........
So why reward them ????????
Especially when the previous admin gave them SO VERY VERY MUCH......

When will we get a Governement in scotland that treats all regions FAIRLY........

When ????????????????



38

Unimpressed one,

15/02/2008 08:08:12
Excellent news, especially as it upsets the green loonies.
39

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 08:13:14
#40 - All major parties wanted the M74 extension. The SNP did want to dual the A9, except the opposition forced through the joke Edinburgh tram line instead, so they did not have sufficient resources left.

Do not lay the blame at Salmond'd door, but look across the benches at the opposition.
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fife runner,

15/02/2008 08:15:14
#39 granted but traffic did increase 35% in first two years which means more road building leads to more car use. Hence the increased congestion. The M74 extension will go the same way. It will become more congested and a few years down the line we will want another lane or two added the another road then another few lanes .....
41

fife runner,

15/02/2008 08:17:07
do not forget I am not anti car having a car myself but I want more sensible use of the car. How many will use it to travel to the city centre but not as it is intended.
42

thinking,

15/02/2008 08:21:08
'it will just increase carbon emissions and pollution at a time when we should be doing all we can to reduce them."
Actually, it should redice them.
Cars that are in a slow or stalled traffic jam produce more carbon emissions than normal speed cars.
Diverting 20000 a day should reduce jams, therefore reducing emissions
43

fife runner,

15/02/2008 08:23:39
#45 tell me one new road that has not eventually become a car park at peak times.
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conservative,

Fife 15/02/2008 08:32:18
Just get on with it, the longer we hang about the more it will cost. Look at the way the estimated costs of the Forth crossing have escalated while the Scottish government have diddled. You can see where the image of the mean Scot comes from.
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TankEngine,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 08:34:47
The reason it costs so much is a certain Glasgow MP has been buying up land on the route and plans to cash in when the compulsory purchase orders are given out.

Also, if Transport Scotland does not get the answers it wants in a “Report” they just keep getting experts views until they get the answers that they want!!
46

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 15/02/2008 08:48:02
Public works projects are just a license to print money - yes - taxpayers are already slaves to the political elites and their clients - the big businesses.

Where is the compulsory tendering for this job? If the contractos are REALLY demanding £675 million - get the Germans or the French to do it. What about the cost=consultants - oh I forgot - the ones who said that Holyrood would only cost £35 million ended up getting more than that in their own FEES!!! And the taxpayers ended up paying £450 million. What about the proposed Forth Bridge; the original cost £35 million in 1961 - came in UNDER budget and three months ahead of time. The proposed one is expected to cost £1.5 BILLION!!!!

It's just the biggest pigs in the trough riot in history - it even makes the Westminsters and Holyrood trough guzzlers look restrained. Remember - all politicians are swine - and especially the ones who look fat and unctuous - and that includes Salmond as well as most of the Labour porkers.
47

Mikey,

15/02/2008 08:56:08
One thing is apparent from postings made by some of the unionist trolls. When they lose the arguement, they resort to insults. AM2, I can just about take as you can at least debate with him. He may be wrong but he's not a lost cause.

Royster, Amanda etc.? Just ignorant trolls who, after I've written this submission, will be ignored. I'd advise the rest of the board to do the same!
48

puskas,

East Kilbride 15/02/2008 08:58:21
The Scottish Government is doing well.

This link should have been completed many years ago.

Many projects which includes housing have been delayed for years waiting on this decision.

Now lets get on with this link and progress Glasgow east and south.

Would we have had to wait 40/50 years if the missing 5 mile stretch had been Hamilton.

Well done again I say to Mr Alex Salmond and his MSP's at Holyrood.

With Independence Scotland shall become vibrant.
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SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 15/02/2008 09:01:03
fife runner, of course new roads increase the use of the car - on the new roads! The numbers of cars stay the same. I DONT have a car now, but I do know that the new road to Ayr was opposed by the tree huggers. This new road has saved lives, cut journey times, reduced congestion to practically zero. I can recall sitting in sweltering traffic, engines grinding, going nowhere before the upgrade happened.

The case for the Glasgow extension is clear - traffic coming into the city from the south fouls up regularly when a lot of this would be diverted onto the missing link. It also reduces the amount of traffic spilling onto the streets of the south side, and reduces emissions locally. For anyone to oppose this is blind loyalty to a mis-placed cause, not a rational opposition.

I would much rather Glasgow had never been chewed up by a motorway system, but it was, and the missing link has caused problems and disruption all down the years. And once completed, the doubts over the south side will be removed and total regeneration can take place.
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Rich 32,

edinburgh 15/02/2008 09:10:26
Great News for Glasgow, but what about the East of Scotland where the population is increasing and the economy is booming. We have the worst road infrastructure of any major western European city.

We need the bypass upgraded to motorway standard and the Western Relief Road built not wasting £500 million on a tram system that nobody wants.
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larryt,

15/02/2008 09:22:58
Correct Rich,#54, but it aint gonna happen because such patently obvious requirements are no longer the fashion. Everyone's to pretend that various forms of public transport are the only answer despite the fact that the road infrastructure of this land is a joke. Try going between inverness and aberdeen and you'll see what I mean.
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Billybud,

Paisley 15/02/2008 09:23:51
Great news for Glasgow Airport , people who live in the east of the city and those in Lanarkshire who have been tempted to use Edinburgh Airport rather than endure the Kingston Bridge delays will now hopefully be tempted back. All we need now is for the BAA to be forced to sell Glasgow Airport as they are clearly running the place down in favour of their other airport in the "capital" !
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puskas,

East Kilbride 15/02/2008 09:26:02
No54, Rich,

I agree with you.
I'm sure that what you are saying in your second paragraph will come to fruition in time. The money towards the trams whether £500,000,000 or a £1,000,000,000 would have been better used for what you suggest.

Surely though that upgrading the M74 from the borders over many years and not completing the 5 mile link at its destination Glasgow is gross stupidity.
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Miss H,

15/02/2008 09:28:51
A rubbish decision and a complete waste of money.
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Miss H,

15/02/2008 09:30:46
54 No Rich it is not great news for Glasgow. Imagine building a 5 mile stretch of motorway slicing right through Edinburgh. Would that be good news for Edinburgh? Would it heck.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

15/02/2008 09:37:39
#59 It is grim, and whenever I visit Glasgow I am immensely glad of those much-derided conservationists who stood up to the modernisers in Edinburgh in the 60s and blocked their plans for motorway through Tollcross and down the Dalkeith Road to the Pleasance. What sort of a city would we have today if they had succeeded? It doesn't bear thinking about.
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Lowest common denominator,

15/02/2008 09:42:07
The SNP have lost it with this one. Why are they wasting so much money in Glasgow?

Is it because they are wasting so much in Edinburgh that Glasgwo would get jealous?
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rpb,

15/02/2008 09:43:58
Inner urban road building was the done thing in 1960s & 1970s

People came to their senses in the 1990s about urban pollution

So...in 21st century Scotland 1970s thinking is once again engaged.

I thought we were meant to be using alternatives now to private cars?

If ever a scheme was political it is this. And I don't care which party finally approved it. Its one sure way of getting those votes in the West at election time. And to hell with the long term- after all none of the vile politicians will be affected by the pollution this will bring.

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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 09:50:36
In the 1950s when the old Glasgow Corporation lobbied the government to build a network of motorways through the crumbling gap-site city, it then had the lowest rate of car ownership in Europe.

Today, Glasgow still has one of the lowest rates of car ownership. Travel around many housing estates and you will be struck by the sbsence of cars?

The new M74 extension could have been a toll road and the massive sum of government money could have spent on
dualling many parts of the A9.
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JayDeeTee,

15/02/2008 10:00:25
Wonder if somebody in the know can break down the cost of this road into its components. I mean, how the f.ck can a road cost £131 MILLION per mile. Somebody is having a right good larf!!
62

McGinty,

15/02/2008 10:02:38
The deterioration and general state of Glasgow's roads is deplorable, as is the traffic management, well behind other parts of Scotland. Can we have some priorities please? A shiny new motorway generating more traffic while the rest of Glasgow (and feeder routes) are potholed, scruffy and in need of resurfacing? Perhaps some kind of improvements are needed on the Southside, but this? Taking away money and resources from other transport projects and increasing car usage in the area?
63

Andrew,

15/02/2008 10:02:47
Glasgow's answer to the M25??
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

15/02/2008 10:05:11
#64 I wouldn't describe myself as being in the know, but from what I do know of this project, there are massive costs involved in land purchasing and relocation of an unusually large number of premises. This is a massive road being driven through a densely long-term populated area, and as well as the central cost of that, there are geological challenges in parts of the route too.
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Galaman,

Galashiels 15/02/2008 10:09:42
Green fascists, aka "Environmental campaigners", regard all road building projects, however small, as potentially disastrous. If they had their way we'd still be riding on dirt tracks with horses and carts, and living in mud huts.
66

Eugene john,

15/02/2008 10:11:11
Highway robbery.
67

GP,

15/02/2008 10:12:21
1# couldn't agree more.
How much have thge delays costs us?
Perhaps the greens should be sued by the txpayer?
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Neil R,

Stirlingshire 15/02/2008 10:13:06
I have lived near and commuted to both Glasgow and Edinburgh in the past 10 years. It is painfully obvious that Edinburgh needs a decent rail link to the airport and to the businesses on the periphery of the city. It is not quite so obvious that Glasgow needs a 5-mile stretch of road that costs a king's ransom. While I am generally in favour of this kind of project, I can't help feeling that Scotland doesn't really have this kind of money to throw around. This sort of lavish spending would normally be associated with crazy politically-motivated projects such as the London Olympics. I don't know why British politicians are so utterly hopeless at getting a good deal when they have such a monopoly over large infrastructure projects.
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 15/02/2008 10:41:45
BRILLIANT - just what one of Europe's most polluted cities needs!

What would we all do without Stoneyrood?
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Boab,

Glasgow 15/02/2008 10:52:48
I just got one of those spam emails offering me £2,000 per inch. Boom-boom.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 15/02/2008 11:00:02
Royster, admit it your party is dying on it's feet.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 11:00:43
I agree that £650 million is an inordinate sum of money for 5 miles of motorway but of course the spiraling costs would never have happened had successive Conservative and Labour Governments in Westminster grasped the nettle and completed the job decades ago for the sake of Glasgow and her people.

But then Glasgow has never been a priority for the Tories : no votes in the city other than Cathcart or for Labour: we get their vote every year no matter how little we do.

Both parties have been quite happy to spend transport money in parts of the UK which might provide them with some extra seats at General Elections.

So well played the SNP for grasping this very expensive nettle, especially important for the Commonwealth Games but equally important for the future prosperity of Glasgow.
73

JayDeeTee,

15/02/2008 11:04:34
#67. Never thought of the costs of land purchase and relocation, so that helps explain some of the cost but £131 Million a mile is mind blowing. That's £131 for every person in this country, more or less.
74

Non!!,

East Britain 15/02/2008 11:06:01
Rumour on the street is that one tender only was obtained and no competitive tenders. Strange that, if true, particularly at such an extraordinary cost!!

The minister assures us that "there is to be robust management to protect the public purse." A bit late I fear!! Over runs are (said to be )at the contractor's cost. All he can do now is write the cheque. He might as well save his "robust management" costs.
75

Goat Boy,

15/02/2008 11:18:27
The number of vehicles licensed in Scotland has increased from 0.8 million in 1962 to 2.6 million in 2006, with an increase of 32% in the past 10 years. An official Government report on the reduction of greenhouse gases claims “energy supply emissions have fallen by 10 per cent since 1990. Business emissions have fallen by 22 per cent since 1990. TRANSPORT EMISSIONS HAVE RISEN BY 11 PER CENT SINCE 1990.”

Yet it is amazing how in a very short period of time, our leaders can launch a campaign to tackle climate change and then they remove the bridge tolls and approves the M74 extension.

Do our leaders REALLY understand the issues?
76

Arfur,

15/02/2008 11:29:40
Good news for Glasgow.

If it was up to these tree huggers we would still be in the stone age. Protest this, protest a £2 billion investment in Aberdeenshire, protest that. Its that kind of backward thinking that drags this country back.

P.S. - how do road protesters get to the protest?
77

puskas,

East Kilbide 15/02/2008 11:32:04
No 78

Yes The Scottish Government does
78

Arfur,

15/02/2008 11:34:21
By the way, the UK could reduce our carbon emissions by 80% and it would not make a dent in the worlds carbon emissions. Until China and the US sort them selfs out we are all goosed.
79

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

15/02/2008 11:45:08
At least the MSP's have learned one lesson from having the builders in at the Parliament in that they have managed to get a cap on the costs. Wow - what a claim that is.

If you put an extension on your house do you go out and only get ONE estimate though? Seems bizarre that there is only one consortium bidding for this job? Be interesting to see if any Eurpoean companies were even asked to bid for the work or is it a closed shop?

If I was a MSP as well as a cap on costs I would also be asking for the tax payers to be spared ANY future road works costs - or is that too logical for our politicians?

Cos bet your bottom dollar, within a couple of months of this road opening there will be contraflows in operation as we find out that someone has become a millionaire overnight by using sub standard goods but charging top prices.
80

Goat Boy,

15/02/2008 12:03:16
Puskas: Yes The Scottish Government does.

But...?
81

Incandescent,

15/02/2008 12:09:28
#9 truthsleuth

"Increased speed above 50 mph results in increased fuel consumption."

Behave! Fuel consumption is not directly proportional to speed you utter simpleton. Gearing in a complex relationship to mass, aerodynamic efficiency and engine fuel and ignition mapping curves dewtermines the speed at which fuel consumption over any given distance is lowest. As just one example, according to my car's computer it delivers 30 mpg at 50 mph which improves 40 mpg at 70 mph. The reason? It was designed that way.

Your simplistic, ignorant pontifications are becoming simply breathtaking and I'm tired of your green evangelism based on spurious facts, themselves mostly based on long since outdated information.
82

sceptic,

15/02/2008 12:10:35
What an absolute disgrace that this 5 miles of motorway is now to be built. Building should have started in 1994, when it would have cost a fraction of today's cost and saved billions in the interval in wasted fuel, wages and pollution.
As for "43 fife runner" the corollary of his/her silly arguement is to close all motorways and trunk roads because they have served only to increase traffic.How daft can you get?
83

Jimmy Jillikers,

Glasgow 15/02/2008 12:11:34
About time, the environmentla impact on traffic jamming up on both sides of the Kingston Bridge more than outweigh the impact from buliding the bypass.

Thank our lucky stars that the SNP have finally got on with it.

My only concern is about the 1 bid (have the interested parties formed a cartel to ensure that the public purse is gouged to its fullest?)
84

ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 12:13:15
Does this mean that Weegies will get their Giro quicker?
85

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 12:31:27
The *best* this road will provide is a few years' congestion relief; it is on any terms an environmental and economic disaster - it is a scandal that the government road roughshod over its own inquiry - this money would have been much better spent on environmentally benign forms of transport, rather than encouraging greater car usage.
86

Hugh,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 12:32:21
Way overdue. The first sensible decision the SNP has made
87

Delboy,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 12:42:49
I think everyone agrees that the link needs to be built.
But why is everything in this country so expensive when it's to be paid for out of public funds?
I think an earlier comment mentioned "Pigs", "trough" and "snouts".
One would expect lower building costs given the availability of cheaper Polish/ East European Labour.
88

Eugene john,

15/02/2008 12:51:32
#88 David Harrington

Spot on; look at any motorway system in the UK and all of them are continually being upgraded, lengthened and widened in the name of congestion relief. Its a failed policy that is never ending.
89

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 12:58:32
Wow!

Someone can do long division....

I wonder how much surface area the new section will have.... In terms of football pitches.

I also wonder how many olympic swimming pools worth of tarmac and concrete they will use and how many doubl-decker bus lengths of armco barrier will be used?
90

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 15/02/2008 12:58:37
$4,000 an inch? You Scots certainly know how to spend money like drunken sailors at a waterfront bar with plenty of prostitutes plying their wares.
91

Bongo35,

Livingston 15/02/2008 13:10:32
#93 Spot on, I think Leith is great too.
92

Disputer,

15/02/2008 13:13:05
93
TimW1234,
Ottawa, Canada 15/02/2008 12:58:37
"$4,000 an inch? You Scots certainly know how to spend money like drunken sailors at a waterfront bar with plenty of prostitutes plying their wares."

Apparently they're all Canadians. My favourite is
Mrs TimW1234.

;-)
93

Alexander,

Edinburgh 15/02/2008 13:14:13
88, 91 7 35.
We have the "green" 2% out in force today. Followers of that UCL lecturer who got his marching orders with his spurious nonsense claims that building roads increased vehicle production. #85 refuted the no road improvements argument succinctly. As for "this money would have been much better spent on environmentally benign forms of transport," what is that supposed to mean? Car usage has increased every year since the car was invented and there is no indication whatever that that trend is about to change.
94

Duncan in Edinburgh,

15/02/2008 13:30:07
#96 No, #85 just talked rubbish to suit his prejudice, a bit like you.
95

Eugene john,

15/02/2008 13:48:42
#96 Alexander

Well thats OK then; we will continue to build, widen, lengthen and upgrade motorways so that selfish people such as yourself can get from point A to point B in what is probably your pride and joy namely your car. Continue with that policy and eventually the whole country will just one expanse of concrete. The money would be better spent on upgrading public transport systems which benefits all members of the community and not just car owners. Now wouldn't that be a more sensible policy to pursue?
96

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 15/02/2008 14:05:20
I personally cant wait for this road to be built and for all the detractors, perhaps the 600 million tram scheme should be rethought, a 6 lane motorway will certainly be of more benefit than a single tram line...maybe the money for the tram line should have been spent on the Edinburgh city bypass and the A1 dualling or even a decent road to Edinburgh airport...
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Goat Boy,

15/02/2008 14:08:13
"Car usage has increased every year since the car was invented and there is no indication whatever that that trend is about to change.” Er..aint that the problem? Do you think that it is acceptable to have nose to tail traffic all the way from Edinburgh to Glasgow? Is this the way we need to go – after all, this is progress?

We spend a disproportionately large amount of money on the road network. In Scotland, we have 10.7Km of road per 1000 people, yet the UK average is 6.8Km per 1000. That’s a lot of road. Why not spend this money on upgrading the rail network that was decimated in the 1960s?
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fife runner,

15/02/2008 14:25:38
# why is traffic coming into the City anyway? I thought it was to alleviate congestion not add to it.

Take Zurich for example. It has highest number of cars per capita yet anyone using car to travel in the city is seen as anti social and yet you can hardly call the Swiss tree huggers being one of the most capitalist areas in the world.