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A total triumph and an utter defeat



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Published Date: 07 February 2008
IN THE end, the howl of delight said it all. Alex Salmond had won the biggest parliamentary battle of his career – piloting the first SNP Budget through the Scottish Parliament.
The First Minister started the final, crucial day of Budget deliberations delivering an ultimatum to his opponents: reject this and face a snap election. He ended it revelling in the humiliation of his Labour opponents. They had begun by criticising the Budget, then added an amendment and finally abstained on the whole package, including their amendment.

A triumphant Mr Salmond said later: "I am delighted. Parliament has voted through a historic first Budget and Labour and the Liberal Democrats seem utterly disorientated."

Click here for the Scottish Budget: Key policy plans laid out

Labour leaders defended their decision to abstain, despite getting their amendment passed, insisting they were making a point that the Budget was flawed.

But political opponents warned that Labour's baffling voting behaviour cast further shadows over Wendy Alexander, the party's embattled leader, who is still awaiting the judgment of the Electoral Commission on an illegal donation to her leadership election campaign fund.

A preoccupied Ms Alexander hurried away from Holyrood, leaving it to her deputies to explain Labour's strange approach to the vote. There were some suggestions Mr Salmond's threat to call an election had frightened Labour off from voting against the Budget, but that was denied by party leaders.

However, there was no doubt that last night's vote, at last, has given the SNP administration a licence to govern.

For nine months, the Scottish Government has put forward policies, not knowing whether it would have the money to carry them out. Now it has the resources to freeze council tax across the country, abolish the Forth and Tay bridge tolls, complete the M74 extension and start scrapping prescription charges.

John Swinney, the Finance Secretary, who has cajoled and threatened MSPs from all parties since last summer in an attempt to get this financial package through, was clear last night on how important the vote was.

"Everybody said at the outset that this would be our biggest challenge. We have just passed that challenge," he said.

The Budget was carried on the back of support from the Tories and the independent MSP Margo MacDonald. Both were promised money for their own policy proposals as Mr Swinney tried to secure a majority for the minority government.

The final vote was 64 MSPs in favour (the SNP, the Conservatives and Ms Macdonald); one against (Labour MSP Cathy Craigie, who either voted that way by mistake or because she did not know the party position) and 60 abstentions (the rest of the Labour MSPs, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens).

The SNP's chances of success were in doubt until Mr Swinney made his opening speech, offering fresh concessions to opposition MSPs.

The Tories decided to support the Budget after he said he would do as they wanted and accelerate the business rates relief scheme.

The Greens also got what they wanted when Mr Swinney announced an extra £4 million for bus operators to help keep fares down and encourage greater use of public transport.

This was enough to persuade the two Green MSPs to abstain on the Budget – the vital, last piece in the jigsaw, giving the SNP the numbers necessary to get the package through.

These final concessions came on top of earlier moves to get the Tories and Greens on board, including an extra £10 million for an additional 300 police officers and £4 million more to fight climate change.

The Tories were derided by Labour and Liberal Democrat MSPs for helping the SNP.

Tavish Scott, the Liberal Democrats' finance spokesman, described the settlement as a "Nat-Con" budget. He labelled Mr Salmond's threat to resign if the Budget had not been passed as "a landmark strop".

Iain Gray, for Labour, said the Budget deal was nothing more than a "tartan Tory tango", and he also derided Mr Salmond's threats to quit.

"The unedifying pantomime of a First Minister threatening resignation from behind the safety of deals already done is an act of vacuous bravado which sums up his government's approach to this whole process," he said

But Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader, was delighted with her party's achievements. "We have used our influence to deliver key policies, which will mean more police, lower taxes and a new national drugs strategy," she said.

"Nearly two years ago, the Scottish Conservatives first argued for a new politics and an end to coalition government. We fought the Holyrood elections promising to work issue by issue, vote by vote, doing what was right for the people of Scotland by sticking to our policies and principles.

"We have done that today, and Scotland is the winner."

During the debate, Mr Swinney had appeared to win the short-term political battle with Labour, outflanking his opponents by accepting their amendment, which called on the Scottish Government to find ways of promoting skills and protecting the vulnerable. This was some way short of Labour's attempt earlier in the process to try to secure funds for skills academies or vocational colleges.

Mr Swinney decided to accept it, the SNP voted for it and the amendment was passed.

Yet, despite having changed the Budget in the way they wanted by having their amendment passed, Labour leaders then decided to abstain on the Budget itself – a decision that astonished everyone else in the parliament.

"You couldn't make it up," Miss Goldie said.

Mr Gray defended his party's position, claiming Labour had secured an amendment to the Budget and registered its view that the financial package was flawed. "We didn't have to vote for the Budget, because the SNP, the Tories and Margo MacDonald were all going to vote for it anyway," he said.

KEY POINTS

BUDGET WILL DELIVER:

• Council tax freeze
• Forth and Tay bridge tolls scrapped
• £11bn for health (£90m to cut waiting times)
• £2.5bn for education (process starts to cut class sizes)
• £880m for roads (including M74 extension)

CONCESSIONS MADE:

• £10m extra in 2008-9
• £40m extra over three years for extra 500 police
• £4.3m extra for community climate challenge fund
• £4m extra to keep bus fares down
• Accelerated business rates relief for small firms
• New fund to help Edinburgh as capital

Click here for the Scottish Budget: Key policy plans laid out

The full article contains 1079 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 February 2008 9:11 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Government spending
 
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AJ Fife,

07/02/2008 00:04:30
Another history making triumph for the SNP! Mr Salmond is fast becoming the Parliamentarian of the Century!
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AJ Fife,

07/02/2008 00:06:09
The last paragraph of the above article really does sum up the calibre of the opposition!
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 07/02/2008 00:07:51
Total humiliation for Labour who have become a laughing stock.
The Lib-Dems are heading for political oblivion.
How on earth did these clowns manage to govern for 8 years ?
A scary thought.........
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Salmond - Leam-leat,

07/02/2008 00:09:35
Just printed off the picture on the top of the page and pinned it on my dart board

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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 07/02/2008 00:10:23
I thought it was interesting that the two MSPs from the Green party were able to co-operate, win concessions, and still abstain. The Lib Dems, on the other hand, abstained and won no concessions. What a wasted opportunity. What exactly was their strategy? I can't help feel that the Lib Dems, like Labour, have been seduced by short termism and the belief that they could railroad the budget. Derek Brownlee was wrong when he said this is the final humiliation for Labour; I suspect there's more to come.
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Salmond - Leam-leat,

07/02/2008 00:12:38
Superb news on the new fund for Edinburgh. It is about time that the capital city got special treatment as well as extra cash.

Hopefully the money will be diverted away from Glasgow.
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AJ Fife,

07/02/2008 00:13:55
#3,

They didn't. No 10 Downing St operated every Labour FM puppet/muppet, and the Scottish public are now realising the pointlessness in supporting any Unionist party.

The SNP represent real policies that will change Scotland for the better!
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 00:13:55
Under this government Scotland continues to go from strength to strength.

Frankly I'm on the verge of no longer giving a damn what happens to Wendy - she's now totally irrelevant. The rest of Labour MSPs are mediocre, boorish politicians only capable of surviving in the one-party local authorities in the past. In short, she's a liability to them but there's nobody capable of replacing her. Perfect. Lets leave them to rot.
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 00:14:18
Excellent result from the party that cares about Scotland and all its people
First class performance - well done Alex and Co.
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An ­English­ Voice,

07/02/2008 00:14:34
6. Am2, even I, not appreciating the SNP much, must admit they seem to have done very well in getting the budget passed with zero opposition
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An ­English­ Voice,

07/02/2008 00:16:38
I must say I am a bit dissappointed that Unionists didn't have the courage of their convictions to vote the separatists down. Will be hard to argue against the budget provisions having not cast votes against.

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Stefan Mack,

Elgin 07/02/2008 00:17:31
Was watching all the coverage on newsnight scotland....i'd say the winners from this politically is the snp, clearly, and the tories. the tories have been practicle and claimed real how pathetic do the labour party and lib dems look over this matter.

all the other parties acted constructively....while the libs and labour just sulked in the corner.

pathetic...thanks god that shower are no longer in goverment.
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AJ Fife,

07/02/2008 00:19:22
AM2,

You almost gave a full blown vote of confidence there....are you drunk?

You've got to admit, Alex Salmond is light years ahead of the opposition. He's got them spinning round, like disorietated wee bairns and has them jumping through his carefully prepared hoops. The trio of Salmond, Swinney and Sturgeon are easily a class apart.
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Al Pie Ed,

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Someone on the previous thread mentioned Pauline McNeil's harpie impression as screened on Newsnight. She has previous form for this sort of behaviour, e.g. election night at the SECC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDdc-UshMVQ

PS Am I alone in thinking Iain Gray is the spitting image of Quagmire out of 'Family Guy'?
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AJ Fife,

07/02/2008 00:27:28
It's a work night AM2, and you're about to have another bad day!
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 00:29:35
#19,­­­boudica,
Have you any 'big hitters' in mind?
Dougie Alexander?
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 00:31:11
#20 & #17... Yes, agree (and hope!) that the administration should now be objectively judged on what do now the budget has been approved...

An academic question - has Salmond shot his bolt by threatening to resign (when we on all sides we knew it wouldn't come to that)? Is there anything in future where he'd genuinely need a vote of confidence to keep the show on the road? How would that be affected now? Hmmm....
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07/02/2008 00:34:01
#22 Yes you are alone.
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 00:35:34
In some ways I wish the opposition had voted down the budget. An election would have been the end for the Libdums and New Labour Sleaze and Corruption.
Out thought and outwitted at every turn!!!
Has Wendy been on TV explaining yesterday's strategy??
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Salmond - Leam-leat,

07/02/2008 00:37:35
#20 Wardog............ yes the freeze on council tax will be a show stopper.

Especially for me. I live off my Share investments.
So I will go from paying £260 a month to paying nothing at all.

All my water supplies, bin collections and kids education for free.

THAK YOU ALEX SALMOND.

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Arthur X,

07/02/2008 00:44:50
Winners: the SNP, the Greens, Scottish people, the Tories. In that order.
Losers: Gordon Brown, Wendy, the Lib Dems, the rest of Labour. In that order.

An unedifying spectacle from the erstwhile Executive of Limited Ambition. Their incompetence isn't to be relished. The SNP need a good strong opposition to keep their Trumpist tendencies in line, and that can't come either from Labour, or the Lib Dems, or obviously the Tories. And sadly the Greens are too small.. for now. And deprived of the threat/promise of an election, which would have brought them back in in numbers.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 07/02/2008 00:44:50
#19

It's interesting, Boudica, that you associate London with big hitters. You don't see either Annabel Goldie or Wendy Alexander as big hitters, then? London has been part of the problem for a long time; devolution is seen as something fit only for the 'peripheries' and, until it is extended to all regions of England, Westminster seems destined to continue in the belief that devolved governments/assemblies should not have devolved policies. It was this belief that Henry McLeish argued against and lost. Jack McConnell, I believe, also was frustrated that Westminster would not concede more powers and - arguably - he could have won the last election had the 'big hitters' in London not sidelined him during the campaign. So I can't see that bringing up the 'big hitters' would be of much consequence. It does make you wonder if the constitutional commission can survive for very much longer.
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Willie,

07/02/2008 00:50:54
I'm not impressed like the SNP sycophants.
Salmond's crying wolf purely for effect rather demeans the position. It will be interesting to see if he is so successful next time or when it really matters.
Now to the wonderful budget. There are always consequences to every action, and freezing the council tax, and reducing the grant may well mean reductions in council services to all and sundry. Who do you think Councillors of all persuasions will blame then, and who will the public at large blame?
The SNP are good at delegating to the same councils decisions previously made centrally on all sorts of issues affecting us, but if they start to use these funds to offset other budgets watch for the fallout.
So all of you jumping with joy, remember a year's a long time in politics, and Alex and John might find one swallow doesn't make a summer and next year's budget harder to get through when all the gimmicks are used up.
I'll just watch from the sidelines and see how many of #14's promises actually are achieved. Not many I bet.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 00:55:45
#32 yup agree it wasn't strictly needed. I suspect that most would regard a budget as a confidence issue anyway - although the Parliament is too young for any such convention to have been established(does one exist in Westminster?).

However, the Labour Party's continual deteriation means he's got away with it - particularly today's shambles of a vote. They're a good 12-18 months away from getting themselves reformed and working. But to be truly rejuvinated they need to get rid of the local authority rejects that infest their ranks of MSPs. If it happens, I actually think it will be good for Scottish politics. But that will take at least 1 more election.... In the meantime...
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Senga Jean,

07/02/2008 01:05:59
I cannot believe that the SNP Government pulled this off.Will the useless Labour and Lib/dems survive?. Will the spineless Lib/Labs start calling the SNP the tartan greens?.. the tartan Margos.?..etc etc....THE LIB/LABS ONLY CARE FOR THEIR POLITICAL CAREERS AND SOD SCOTLAND.... WELL SCOTLAND HAS A VOTE.
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­Willie,

07/02/2008 01:06:49
What puzzles me however, is how the Labour part has got so fankled and uncoordinated as to allow the Labour group in Glasgow to endorse the council tax freeze, while MSPs are saying the council tax freeze is bad. looks like a lack of control. Cosla endorsed the council tax under a Labour chair, while Labour at Holyrood were denouncing it. So either Glagow Labour are absuing the vulnerable, in which case they should be dealt with, or MSPs in the Labour group have taken their eye of the ball. Either way is screaming for more central discipline.
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Willie,

07/02/2008 01:08:47
Wardog Buckie.

Maybe its time for you to leave the debate.
Your projections like promises are just hot air.
This must be the first Victory your Tories have won in Scotland for such a long time.
Fellow Scots don't have such a short memory as you seem to have, and just because you've won a concession doesn't mean to say that we will trust you again ever!!!
Every other party is more trustworthy than yours!!
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Richardinho,

07/02/2008 01:10:22
Alex Salmond demanded that the lib-labs either put up or shut up.
Staring the possibility of electoral oblivion in the face, they meekly abstained!

Well done to Annabelle Goldie and the Scottish tories having the maturity to work with the government rather than playing petty student politics as Wendy and Nicola Stevens were.
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­Willie,

07/02/2008 01:11:59
And wardog may I just remind you that just because Labour councils endorse the council tax freeze and local control, this does not mean this is not an attack on the vulnerable. It just shows how the SNP have manipulated councils!
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Jwil,

Lanarkshire 07/02/2008 01:13:37
Is it true that Wendy was seen to be asking someone how she should vote?
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­Willie,

07/02/2008 01:14:37
58 You disgust me. typical SNP. while councils are being forced to abandon the vulnerable, even if Labour councils have been tricked into endorsing it, you laugh about the SNP so called triumph.

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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 01:15:54
#48 "I'd predict a wipe out for them in the North East" - yup. Their inept handling of the Trump plan has done for them up there.

"The Tories on the other hand have done everything they could have to deliver for their supporters" - the Tories know that they needed to come out of the political wilderness and help make devolution work. The Labour Party are too dumb to learn from their mistakes!

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­Willie,

07/02/2008 01:19:34
62. Rubbish. The Labvour party are embracing devolution. The SNP have trciked Labour councils into adopting their copuncil tax freeze and local control of spending. When they see the trick for what it is they will return to to the Labour fold, as will the Lib Dems.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 01:21:53
#63 "The Labvour party are embracing devolution" (your mis-spelling)

What? By spending 8 years in power, neutered by Westminster and doing everything that the UK party told them to?
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Richardinho,

07/02/2008 01:22:05
'Is it true that Wendy was seen to be asking someone how she should vote?'

HoHo, Blackadder sends Baldrick to the Scottish parliament to lead the Prince Regents party with inevitably hilarious consequences!
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Jwil,

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#52

"What puzzles me however, is how the Labour part has got so fankled and uncoordinated as to allow the Labour group in Glasgow to endorse the council tax freeze, while MSPs are saying the council tax freeze is bad. looks like a lack of control. Cosla endorsed the council tax under a Labour chair, while Labour at Holyrood were denouncing it. So either Glagow Labour are absuing the vulnerable, in which case they should be dealt with, or MSPs in the Labour group have taken their eye of the ball. Either way is screaming for more central discipline"

Maybe the cooncillors were just sick of being told what to do by the Labour (control freaks) politicians!
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­Willie,

07/02/2008 01:23:59
64. Rubbish. Scottish Labour are blazing a new trail for devolution. Look at how councils have been allowed to adopt the SNP council tax freeze!
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 07/02/2008 01:26:46
The Tories might never be called "best friends" of the SNP but at least they can be called "trustworthy" They achieved what they wanted and Swinney was sensible enough to give them that. They forced the SNP into giving what the SNP was aiming to do any way. Maybe the time scale was going to be different. As for Labour and the Lib dems, the prospect of Salmond throwing in the towel concentrated their minds incredibly. The prospect of them having to have Wendy Alexander as First Minister caused them to bottle their opposition to the Budget. Only Cathy Craigie seemed to be happy with the prospect of Wendy taking over. Even Wendy appears to have dreaded the prospect of having Wendy. Ah well such is life.
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in edin 07/02/2008 01:28:15
The Devil's in the lack of detail
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 01:30:39
Willie. Firstly, that's because they are longer in majority control of councils all over Scotland (its telling that you mentally associate councils with Labour.... we're not a one-party state any more!)

Secondly, most Labour local activists have been despairing of the direction they've been led in by the central machine.

Thirdly, no elected official wants to be held back from doing the right thing locally by centrally set targets and ring-fencing arrangements. Most people (even Labour) go into politics to try and make a difference - you can't do that as a councillor if you're neutered by central policy.

There's lots of reasons why the councils will take the deal....
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BrianHill,

Edinburgh 07/02/2008 02:02:34
John Swinney was majestic today. His whole approach to this budget from day one has bristled with intelligence and professionalism, not to mention determination to get it through.

And what's all this nonsense about was there wasn't there a deal with the Tories? Of course there was a deal, it's a minority Government, what do you expect, the SNP go into today's vote with only hope and a song in their heart?

The SNP tried to bring everyone on board, including Labour and Liberals but it was they who had thrown their dolls out of the pram, which is why the SNP wasn't able to include them in the final package. Even then JS accepted Iain Gray's amendment.

BTW, is it me or does Iain Gray look more like a leader in waiting that Andy at the moment?
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 02:06:54
Wardog - Various excellent posts.

Fitlike Wardog? - boy are you on form the nicht!!!
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An ­English­ Voice,

07/02/2008 02:09:35
74. total piffle. Just because the Labour party were momentarily confused, due to the SNP spin machine, does not mean that the SNP budget is good.
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An ­English­ Voice,

07/02/2008 02:13:51
As for the headline "total triumph" what total piffle
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 02:17:43
Has the Hootsmoan's ace journalist, Hamish got nothing to say on yesterday's proceedings??
Nicol is also keeping a low profile - I wonder why???
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Gina Gibson,

Wales 07/02/2008 02:24:13
Both Labour and the Lib/Dems have shown by their infantile behaviour just how unfit they are to participate in government. They should all resign and give Scottish voters the chance to increase the SNP majority!
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Richardinho,

07/02/2008 02:33:00
A triumph for the SNP because they managed to get their budget through AND they showed that minority govt can work. More importantly it was a triumph for the parliament as a whole for the same reasons.

A disaster for Labour.Their ammendment was a worthless gesture with no money behind it, which is why John Swinney was happy to include it.
if the Labour party weren't going to vote for it, why include it?
If they were planning on abstaining, why not say so earlier and not hand the Tories a triumph on a plate?

Why abstain at all, rather than simply voting against it, when they would have lost anyway?

On close scrutiny, nothing they did yesterday made any sense whatsoever.
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 02:36:25
#80 AM2,
Libdums and New Labour Sleaze and Corruption were outthought and outwitted by Alex & Co.
Your assertions that the budget was passed only because of 'momentary confusion' caused by SNP spin would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
Might as well admit it, your mob were given a lesson in statesmanship and diplomacy.
Join us AM2 - you know its making sense!!!
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 02:41:54
juan kerr and his dead magic hands, now re risen.,

Boy you're on top form tonight. AM2 is taking a real pasting. I can feel a huff coming on;-)
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 03:03:26
Opposition humiliated as £30bn Budget is passed.

This is today headline in Scotland's only quality newspaper. What do you reckon AM2???
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 03:22:11
I wonder if New Labour Sleaze and Corruption's 'big hitter' Dougie will be putting in an appearance on TV and radio, making excuses for sister Wendy after yesteday's debacle, telling us she unintentionally abstained???
We have to know ;-)
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Manila,

Manila 07/02/2008 03:35:12
Salmond is beginning to look and behave like Jabba the Hutt.
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Buchanan,

07/02/2008 03:41:28
My favorite Scotsman Headline ever :

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

I think I now have the inspiration I was looking
for a Tattoo.

I just need to read it a few more times

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

"A total triumph and an utter defeat"

Ahh, so good .......
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Jimmy the Pie,

07/02/2008 03:51:47
I noticed Nicol is conspicuous by his silence. I see he's also going full astern re the Trump trial. How long has he got before his London masters boot him out, as he is dragging the Libdums off the political map - no bad thing given their recent form!
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donald,

glasgow 07/02/2008 04:52:17
The Broon Thatcherite London Cabinet must be relieved that their North British Numpties did not dare call for an election to wipe themselves out.

I attended Alex Ewing, SNP cartoonist's funeral yesterday. Alex would have loved to see this farce in Holyrood, as he would to see so many of his old friends gather in Glasgow to celebrate his life in the style he would have appreciated.

The congregation sang Hamish Henderson's "Freedom Come All ye", which a Labour Conference once had the cheek to hijack. Alex used to sing many Socialist songs with sincerity and relish that no Kinnockite could ever hope to match. He marched against Labour's war in the Middle East and their Nuclear bases in Faslane. It was also good to see so many honest, self sacrificing people ther to do homage to him and his work. Pity Alex did not live to see the fruits of their labours for Independence. I only hope I won't be too old to enjoy it. Fellow House of Fraser artist, Malky McCormack, performed the oration with humour and style, recalling Alex's life and work with hilarious anecdotes. Alex was also a Republican Socialist, far to the left of any Labour hack who worked his life for the cause without a penny of expenses, or thought of a career, or amassing a personal fortune from his chosen path was indeed and a pleasure to remember. Fare ye well
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

07/02/2008 06:16:36
"You couldn't make it up,"


Now I hope people will realise how the country came to be in the state it was.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 07/02/2008 06:17:01
With the first SNP budget now in place it is now time for Mr Salmond and his administration to buckle down and start treating their respective jobs seriously. They should remember that they have been entrusted with the care of the most vulnerable in our society. It is worrying to see the man entrusted with the care of our sick or the education of our children spend more time acting the goat with cheap political stunts than concentrating on the responsibilites of his job.
He will never be forgiven if he spends more time preening and prancing about claiming to be an international man of peace or whatever delusions he may have that day when our frontline services are being cut to pay for his council tax freeze.
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Media 1,

cape town 07/02/2008 06:46:17
Salmond throw his toys out the cot, and it worked! But it worked this time, it wont always work. He was at the end of his tether, he was cracking under the pressure, he was lost in a maize of political disorientation and he felt like running for the hills because he knows he doesnt have it in him to run a nation! Rogue politics is all the SNP know!
His next wee childish outburst will hopefully see him head for the hills
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/02/2008 07:00:03
A couple of observations:

A party gets an amendment accepted and then abstains from the vote, and this is greeted with derision. Meanwhile, in complete contrast, a party gets an amendment accepted and then abstains from the vote, and this is accepted as a reasonably logical position.

The difference in reception between Labour's action and that of the Greens seems to me to confirm that this criticism of Labour has little to do with what they have actually done, and everything to do with how vulnerable people feel they currently are to a full-on onslaught.

I have no doubt that, had Labour voted against the budget immediately having had an amendment accepted, the criticism would have been just as stinging, and just as little justified. And I can only imagine the howls of derision had they voted in favour.

There would have been no benefit to Scotland in voting the budget down, so I am glad it was passed. Salmond's arrogant suggestion that he would take the issue "to the people" if the budget failed was not just bluster, but another false promise. He has no power to call an election. He could have resigned as First Minister and been reelected 10 times without it making the slightest difference.

Yet again in Alex Salmond's Scotland we are seeing politics played as a game. Perhaps after 9 months he is still enjoying rubbing people's noses in his position. I do hope he grows out of it soon.
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yockel,

07/02/2008 07:16:09
What are the LibDems up to? They severely damaged themselves by their cosying up to Labour just to get a bit of power and the trappings that go with it and now when they should be distancing themselves from Labour in order just to survive they go and demonstrate they are just a NuBlab subcommittee
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/02/2008 07:39:11
#115 Do you feel sorry for the people who voted Green as well? By your logic, they too couldn't be bothered to vote.
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inoui,

Bordeaux 07/02/2008 07:40:22
Exellent news for Scotland!
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Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 07/02/2008 07:45:30
110 Media 1, Still ranting on about Salmond I see, wish you would head to the hills.
However a great day for Scotland and the Scottish people, once again the SNP with Mr Salmond leading from the front is showing that the people of Scotland have had second rate numpties running Scotland all these years.
Onwards and upwards!
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Braesbear,

07/02/2008 07:47:07
Yet another show of petulance from the Lib Dims and Labore. Both of these parties have yet to realise that they do not have control and their continuing refusal to accept this is clearly visible to the Scottish public. If a snap election had been called tomorrow then I'm sure that they would have lost even more seats as people see the other parties getting on with the job in hand. long may it continue.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 07/02/2008 07:48:40
Shrecky Ecky deserves his win. Compromise is the main benefit of minority government. Shame that Labour and Liberals have still to learn this.
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Citylocal Fife News Room 07/02/2008 07:53:27
Great News for Fife and Scotland!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/02/2008 07:56:23
#121 And how exactly would a snap election have been called tomorrow? It would be constitutionally impossible. All Salmond could do is resign as First Minister. No-one could call a snap election. Salmond's threat of going "to the people" was empty, because it wasn't in his, or anyone else's, power to do so.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/02/2008 08:01:12
#123 Ah, here's the representative of the Tory-controlled and dreadfully misnamed Federation of Small Businesses Scotland! Hello Angus. Still pretending that your little group is representative?
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paulr,

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When i was younger I used to beleive we voted these people in, in order to represent us. Of course I know the truth now.
I wonder just how these so called MSP's think they are helping the country or themselves by abstaining from votes?
if they beleive something is wrong for the country they should vote against it,
if they beleive it is right then vote for it.
By abstaining in the most important vote of the year they simply prove that electing them was totally the wrong decision.
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

07/02/2008 08:06:08
They've even have corrupted the lottery?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2008/02/05/ntory105.xml
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/02/2008 08:07:06
#126 This wasn't a single issue vote so your simplistic interpretation is inapplicable. Every MSP will have found elements of this budget good and elements bad. The Greens, for example, found the extra £4m for bus subsidies good, but large swathes of the roads building budget bad. They therefore abstained. It seems to me a quite reasonable response. Does it not to you?
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

07/02/2008 08:08:17
They didn't vote because they didn't want to be seen to lose. They abstained to avoid an election at the time when it was likely Wendy would be found guilty of undermining democracy.

Classic
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07/02/2008 08:15:34


"They were also celebrating a humiliating defeat for their Labour rivals, for this was a test not just of government but of effective opposition. Labour flunked that test"

"Labour had no Plan B"

"The bewildering saga has damaged Ms Alexander and her finance spokesman, Iain Gray, when things already looked grim for the leadership. The blame game was already under way last night"

Lovin it