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Call for immigration to be balanced with numbers leaving UK



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Published Date: 08 September 2008
THE number of immigrants to the UK must be balanced with those leaving the country to prevent Britain's population soaring by 20 million in the next 50 years, leading politicians warn today.
This would involve capping the number of non-European Union migrants entering the country and forcing other international workers to return home after four years.

In its inaugural report, the cross-party group on immigration – the first to be fo
rmed at Westminster – says that immigration exploded in the mid-1990s. Before Labour took office, net immigration was about 50,000 a year. It peaked at 244,000 in 2004, and has fallen back to about 190,000 a year.

This has placed huge strain on housing waiting lists, the NHS, schools – there are now 1,338 where the majority of pupils do not have English as their first language – and the "cohesion of society".

Scotland has been relatively unaffected, with only an extra 2,000 foreigners arriving between 1993 and 2006 – compared with more than a million in London.

The report said it was "simply not the case" that Scotland needed a large influx of migrants because it had a declining and ageing population.

It said that even allowing for the differences in populations, the flow of immigrants to England had been six times higher than to Scotland.

The report said: "Scotland's population is not declining. Its population has been about five million for the past 50 years and will remain at that level for the next 25 years, even without net migration."

Net international immigration is projected to be 4,000 a year and internal migration, mostly from England, will be 4,500 a year.

Frank Field, the former Labour minister who co-chairs the group, said the UK working class had been the biggest losers from immigration.

His group wants immigration to become "substantially lower" over time until it is close to the level of emigration. It promised to "ensure that the voice of working class people is heard" in what is regarded as an "immensely sensitive and difficult issue".

Mr Field said immigration had "undoubtedly" brought gains to some sections of the community. But he added: "One group that has disproportionately borne the cost of such immigration, through pressure on wages, longer waiting lists for decent housing and increased demand for public services, has been lowed-paid black and white Britons."





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  • Last Updated: 07 September 2008 8:05 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

truthsleuth,

08/09/2008 00:10:23
Its about time we stopped pussyfooting around
Immgration should be stopped NOW.

Illegals should be sent home - no argument.

Families or 'dependants' should not be allowed.
2

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08/09/2008 00:23:17
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 00:34:21


GODS SAKE MAN!! Its a bit late to think about this now, is it not,?

The 'Lunacy' is beyond beggars believe, as in,..

'CRY WOLF' when it is too late!
4

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 08/09/2008 00:43:31

Seems to me this is Labour bleating about an English problem.

Not really an issue UK wide at all.

But . . . . . . .

If the SNP were to come out with a rant like this the howls of indignation from the unionists would be deafening.
5

Guga II,

Rockall 08/09/2008 01:20:52
They should have listened to Enoch Powell.
6

somerferg,

perth 08/09/2008 01:21:18

Firstly I find it laughable that this rag expects me to believe that only 2000 'foreigners' settled or more precisely were settled in Scotland between 1993-2006.

Secondly, if the issue of pensions were to be sorted out with regards to expats I'm sure many would consider coming home. This however is very unlikely because the government is really only interested in taxing us to the earholes in order to pay for the local and imported population to sit on their backsides racking in dole money - oh and not to expect to collect a state pension at the end of it - no thats reserved for the lazy no hopers who wouldn't know a hard days work if it slapped them on the face - no thank you.
7

Willie Macleod,

Wick 08/09/2008 01:53:05
#5 Guga Powell wanted to be leader of the party
And his racism hatred and bile all erupted in one speech in 1968.
8

Scullion,

Canada 08/09/2008 01:55:53
#5 Ay-yi-yi.
He's not someone you should be looking up to.
9

Willie Macleod,

Wick 08/09/2008 02:24:19
#8 Scullion All the best catch up with you later.
10

Eric D,

Renfrewshire 08/09/2008 05:12:17
No 4 - You should visit parts of West Central Scotland and tell me if you think it's an English problem. Official stats for 2007, show total of 100,000 in-migrants ( 2%) in ONE year.
11

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08/09/2008 06:42:59
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 08/09/2008 07:02:46
No surprise to read the usual racist contributuions from the nationalists.
13

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 08/09/2008 09:35:11
Easy. Illegal immigrants pursued actively and ejected with any and all dependents. Legal immigrants - tighten up the criteria and stick with it. First of all assess whether immigration is affordable and has any merit economically. If not don't do it. Simple.

And in the meantime get the idle off their couches and into paid employment. make it much harder to be idle than to be working. Labour can't and won't do it, so someone has to.
14

Fairfax,

08/09/2008 09:58:08
the_figures_are_fudged (4): "Seems to me this is Labour bleating about an English problem."

This is a cross-party group, not just Labour. As for bleating, the ethnic-minority population of England in 2001 was roughly equal to the current population of Scotland, on official statistics alone: it may now be as high as 8 million, although this is an unknown -- accurate immigration statistics are no longer available. To give one example, the school-age population of London is now roughly 50% ethnic minority.
15

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 10:15:02
#12 W U Merchant,Aberdeen 08/09/2008 07:02:46
No surprise to read the usual racist contributuions from the nationalists.

Where ?? If you look at Fairfax post (a unionists) you will see that he is being racists.

Now what about the 60% of Canadians who are of UK stock ? do they grunt about that ?
16

Alan B,

08/09/2008 10:16:57
It probably makes sense to devolve immigration to Scotland as the needs and problems are different from England.

I think the biggest problem is labours incompetence over the issue as they must take the public with them. All labour have succeeded in doing is encouraging the bnp in parts of england.

For scotland the biggest issue is the media and political parties have gone on so much about a largely english issue that it encourages a racial backlash in scotland when we do not have any major issues.
17

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 10:29:23
#16

I know i am NOT out of line saying this but the problem i see is with the retired English people shunting up sticks to the Highlands and then forcing an artificial hike in the local property market and leading to long standing families being forced out of the local community due to the highly inflated house prices.

This is also a major issue in Rural Wales and even worse in the South west of England. Even in France the French government is so concerned about the amount of Retired English economic migrants that they have started to take measures on curbing this bricks and mortars zima menace
18

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 10:34:07
And may i add that the English Lakes is also seeing a huge influx of retired English economic migrants from the south, something has to be done about this because this is causing a far bigger problem for rural health services than that of the Polish migrants who come to the UK to work.

So in brief, the biggest problem in the UK is the mobilisation of the retired English Caravan brigade to Raul parts of the country, a complete burden on locals and the local health services.
19

Big Carbon Footprint,

Edinburgh 08/09/2008 10:47:33
I don't see a problem with skilled migration, quite frankly I would welcome chucking out the tens of thousands of native benefit scroungers who will not work and trade them for hard working foreigners.
20

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 10:57:11
19

Agreed, that will be them Labour voters, a complete burden if you ask me, now i must dash as i have work myself to do.
21

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 08/09/2008 11:34:58
#17 Spook, the issue is land ownership.

We need to build new houses, villages, facilities for the working locals. Local builders can do this. Architects are interested doing real design and building.

I don't think you should own land to forbid people from living on it. Elected regional associations should allocate land as required. I'm sure reasonable repect can be given to the landowner's own residence and amemity.

Water supply's seldom a problem and local industry would develop for heating, power and sewage requirements.
22

JayDeeTee,

08/09/2008 12:57:35
Apart from anything else, if the population "soars by 20 million over the next 50 years" so does the religous and racial 'mix'. Some group somewhere is going to get p*ssed off.
23

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 08/09/2008 14:08:09
As a Canadian Scot who has witnessed an influx of "British" and Scottish immigrants recently. when you de-brief them on why they left - other than the usual stuff about the outrageous cost of living thanks to excessive Labour taxes and protected EU agriculture - there's one compelling reason given.
"Britain isn't Britain anymore."
That's the reality from this side of the pond. And it will become more and more of a problem for the English and one more compelling reason for Scotland to get the hell out of this failed "union."
24

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 17:04:08
#21 Yock...

I agree with you 100% but all i am pointing out is the huge influx of the grey and zimmer brigade to rural UK and the negative effect this has on rural villages, mind you the local Bowling clubs must be making a bomb.
25

Fairfax,

08/09/2008 18:10:26
The Spook in Leith (14): "? If you look at Fairfax post (a unionists) you will see that he is being racists."

I'm not a unionist. Do you honestly classify any worried discussion of ethnicity as racism?
26

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08/09/2008 19:44:00
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The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 21:02:22
#27 Pete.

No i am not being a hypocrite and in fact both my parents were born outside the UK, one is from Israel (Scottish parents though) and the other is from Yemen or al Jumhuuriyya al Yamaniyya, a bit of a mismatch considering the 2 religions but in the end i think beauty got the better of him.

Anyway away from your obsession with my private life, i was posting the fact that it is the retired English economic migrants who are being a burden on rural parts of the UK, its not being racists and it is something that has featured on many documentaries and BTW my it was my Great Grandfather (mums side) who founded the Yorkhill based Arbuckle Smith company who now employ over 3,000 people and have offices in Glasgow,Kent and Lagos but the company has passed though 2 or 3 new owners since then, now that at least constitutes part of my family not being shunted out of Scotland.
28

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 21:16:26
#26 Fairfax

Now i may be wrong but did you not post a while back that you now live in New Zealand ?? Just hope the New Zealanders are not counting the inward migrating settlers.. Anyway for the record, nope i now have DVD,s.
29

Fairfax,

08/09/2008 22:01:30
The Spook (29): "Now i may be wrong but did you not post a while back that you now live in New Zealand ??"

You're wrong: I live in Cambridge.

"Just hope the New Zealanders are not counting the inward migrating settlers.."

They are counting them, and rightly so.
30

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 22:52:26
#30

Well i was not to far out was i ? Yes i agree with you and i do hope the people in New Zealand are keeping an eye on the amount of English migrants just like they do in North west France and parts of Spain, its just not fair on the local health services with all them old English caravan and back packers clubs descending on them poor rural folk is it ?
31

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 22:57:56
Bloody god dam caravans, has anyone ever drove up North and got stuck behind a caravan with a "Jean & Joe from Maidstone" sticker on the back ? it is a worse case scenario, believe me it is and the worse part of it is, when they reach a strait bit of road the old fa#ts speed up !!WHY??? This is when you just wish you had a T54 main battle tank to take out wee jean and joe. Poom poom poom they are gone and so is the burden.
32

Fairfax,

09/09/2008 09:05:26
The Spook (31): "Yes i agree with you and i do hope the people in New Zealand are keeping an eye on the amount of English migrants just like they do in North west France and parts of Spain"

There is no substantial English emigration to North-West France -- perhaps you mean South-West France. Still, your general point is valid: allowing free movement and mass immigration can cause unforeseen problems, even within in the relatively similar nations of the EU. In the case of the EU, however, the total number of English settlers elsewhere is dwarfed by the total number of of EU settlers in England, so there's at least a quid pro quo. That does not apply to non-EU immigration.
33

Countryman,

09/09/2008 10:19:53
Nobody here has given the correct definition of the move by many English into Scotland in the last ten years. The explanation is summed up in the words " white flight".
Very soon now cities such as Birmingham, Leicester, Luton et al. will have coloured,and/or Islamic majority
populations. The English are rapidly being outbred.In Britain today Bangladeshi women produce on average 3.9 children and Pakistani women 5 children against an indigenous English woman's contribution of only 1.3 to the population pool. Scotland, at present, knows nothing about this racial tidal-wave but if the present "civic nationalists" have their way our turn will shortly be here.
Roseanna Cunningham msp recommended some time ago that we should have an annual inflow of 50,000 Chinese to Scotland.
With realists like that we are done for.
34

Fairfax,

09/09/2008 12:10:17
Countryman (34): "Very soon now cities such as Birmingham, Leicester, Luton et al. will have coloured,and/or Islamic majority."

In fact I believe that point has already been reached for Leicester and Luton. For comparison, only 22% of Inner London schoolchildren are white British:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564365/One-fifth-of-children-from-ethnic-minorities.html

"Scotland, at present, knows nothing about this racial tidal-wave"

Immigration is increasing rapidly in Scotland, but it is certainly almost invisible in comparison to London and several English cities. For this reason, Scots are still unwilling to view such discussion as anything other than racist: the reaction in England is changing rapidly. In my view, the reluctance to discuss mass non-EU immigration is likely to promote extreme political reaction.

I agree with your points on fertility differences, but would add that family reunification policies imply a larger exponential increase than fertility alone.

35

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 09/09/2008 17:23:18
I'm afraid there is no chance of me sitting by and watching Scotland become somewhere like London in terms of ethnic mix. Most immigrants to Scotland come from England and thankfully most are white and, as was mentioned in a previous point, they all seem to say: "I don't recognise the town I grew up in anymore."
The reason I specify the ethnicity of an individual is because it is deeply intertwined with an individuals culture and past. i.e. we share the same ideals and culture as the English.
This is in no way a racist rant, skilled immigration is fine but lets be honest do the majority of blacks or pakistani bring skills that are essential to the British economy? No. They bring unskilled labour, a
disproportionate amount of crime, in the case of the latter an extrememly alien culture and (often) utter disrespect for the indigenous population.
What the government should be doing is decreasing the number of indivduals on benefits instead of 'papering over the cracks' in the labour market using immigration. In addition, boost our indigenous birthrate through some sort of benefits scheme; house prices, commodity prices, tax and other expenses would only increase with increased immigration.
Labour chant on about the economic boom created by immigrants without ever mentioning the cost in terms of social cohesion or pressure on public services. They lie, they fiddle statistics they do everything other than address the problem!

 

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