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Published Date: 24 September 2008
ALEX Salmond is to make a personal pitch to senior managers at Lloyds TSB in the next few weeks in an attempt to persuade them to retain as much of HBOS as possible in Scotland.
The First Minister acknowledged yesterday that Lloyds TSB had secured the "deal of the century" in taking over HBOS, but he still believed there was hope of retaining much of HBOS in Scotland.

Mr Salmond said he was prepared to travel anywhere to
meet Sir Victor Blank, the Lloyds TSB chairman, and his board and he would give them a presentation on the benefits of staying in Scotland.

The decision by the First Minister to make a presentation to Lloyds TSB was agreed at his meeting yesterday with Archie Kane, a Lloyds TSB board member and the chief executive of Scottish Widows.

Mr Salmond will make his pitch in the next three weeks, aware that, if he leaves it any longer, Lloyds TSB's plans for HBOS will be at too advanced state to alter.

Lloyds TSB will also make a presentation to the Scottish Council for Development and Industry on its plans.

Mr Salmond said after his meeting that Lloyds TSB had agreed to take a submission from the Scottish Government presenting the arguments for Scotland as a location for "key head office decision-making functions".

Mr Kane had also assured him Lloyds bosses were alive to the special role of the Bank of Scotland, a body "hard-wired to the social fabric of Scotland", as well as its economic role. And Mr Kane, as chief executive of Scottish Widows, had shown how it was possible to run a successful head office in Scotland as part of a wider financial group, said the First Minister.





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  • Last Updated: 23 September 2008 9:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Halifax Bank of Scotland
 
1

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/09/2008 00:03:49
Well who would have believed it?

Salmond went in with nothing and came out with nothing.

He never even met the top brass. Thats how highly they regard him.

Lloyds will have to make commercially sound decisions when it comes to integrating the 2 banks.

So is Salmond really expecting them to put a higher value on Scottish jobs ahead of English and Welsh ones? If he is then he is more deluded than I thought possible.

Is Salmond really expecting an organisation that size to put their HQ in Scotland when his own stated aim is independence post 2010? Can you imagine the Lloyds TSB board subjecting themselves to such uncertainty? Would it be pounds sterling or Euros? Would it be a Scottish Central Bank as was mentioned this week? Would they really want their HQ in a foreign country when their share listing is in London?

Salmond can make as many presentations to the board as he wishes, but cleary he is wasting everybodies time.
2

Stepford Nat,

24/09/2008 01:13:46
1 Rufus

So what if he came out with nothing? Why are you not surprised? They are clearly idiots, if they don't recognise the brilliance of our banker turned first minister, and his genius at doing things and saying stuff.

www,snp,org,uk - OOR DAY WILL COME
3

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 24/09/2008 01:19:53
Rufus T. Firefly #1

You are advocating that Alex Salmond sit quietly and watch Scottish jobs disappear. As first minister, he has the DUTY to exert every effort to keep this from happenening. He is not deluded about that duty, as you claim.

Remember, better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.

In any case, can you PROVE Alex came out with nothing? Why should anyone believe you, when you are becoming well known in these threads for your negativity.
4

W Smith,

Middle East 24/09/2008 03:34:05
#1
Correct.

English companies have left England for Ireland completely ignoring Westminster.

Salmond is becoming delusional if he thinks him and this kiddy on parliament at Holyrood has any clout.

Callling it the "Scottish Government" doesn't make any difference to Scotland's job market.

Should he at least try to save these Scottish jobs?

Yes - but lets not be surprised at the outcome.

BTW
Just because the Nats get excited and wet themselves over Holyrood now that Salmond is FM doesn't mean that big companies listen to the eejits in Holyrood.
5

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/09/2008 06:39:52
#3 Sierra, what is Salmond doing about the British Energy takeover by EDF?

This is another company which currently has its Headquarters in Scotland, but not for much longer, it would seem.

What is Salmond doing about all the staff who are going to lose their jobs?

Nothing. Why is that?
6

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/09/2008 07:10:04
1400 British Energy jobs are at risk as a result of the EDF takeover. The Headquarters will undoubtedly move out of Scotland as well.

Because it does not fit Salmonds narrow political agenda, these jobs are not as important as Hbos jobs.
7

K McDonald,

Glasgow 24/09/2008 07:58:10
#6
1400 British Energy jobs are at risk as a result of the EDF takeover. The Headquarters will undoubtedly move out of Scotland as well.

Because it does not fit Salmonds narrow political agenda, these jobs are not as important as Hbos jobs.>>>>


Salmomd has made ot absolutely clear to all that Scotland has no place for the highly paid & skilled engineering jobs that come with design, construction and operation of the next generation nuclear and coal power station. Why would EDF want to stay in Scotland?

Salmond is just like Thatcher in the respect that engineering jobs are not as important as financial services jobs. This week has proven that beyond all doubt. Alex Salmond is a disgrace.

8

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 07:58:20
Thank goodness we have individuals of the calibre of Rufus T Firefly, Stepford Nat and W Smith out there, straining every sinew as they cringe incessantly on Scotland’s behalf.

However, their script is a tad confused this morning.

On the one hand they argue that the Scottish government has insufficient powers to be able to influence the decision makers at Lloyds TSB, and then they argue that these same decision makers would not choose to locate their head office in Scotland in case the government gained more powers.

They of course appear to be blissfully unaware that the head offices of HBOS and RBS are both currently located in Scotland.

In these days of economic uncertainty all we really can be certain of is that the dwindling band of serial cringers will continue to troll this forum, spouting their bile and inferiority complexes at every opportunity.
9

Tynietiger,

24/09/2008 08:10:04
The personal abuse above at Scotland's First Minister is disgraceful. He is working his but off trying to save up 24,000 Scottish jobs which have been sabotaged by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling who failed to act after two previous attempts to run down HBOS shares and failed to introduce regulations to Financial Sector to prevent crazy financial models, 125% mortgages etc.
10

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/09/2008 08:30:56
Bully Wee you are nothing but a fool.

Yes RBS and HBOS have headquarters here. They have been here for many a long year.

That has no bearing on where Lloyds/Halifax would decide to put their new HQ.

I can almost guarantee that they will not risk putting it in Scotland whilst Salmond continually fights with Westminster, whilst dragging the country towards the uncertainty of independence.

11

K McDonald,

Glasgow 24/09/2008 08:31:22
The personal abuse above at Scotland's First Minister is disgraceful.>>>


Salmond is a man who has made a political career out of verbally abusing his opponents with cheap-shots. Of coarse, like all sarcastic smart-@rses he can't take criticism himself. Neither can his devoted followers.

12

Rufus T. Firefly,

24/09/2008 08:34:06
Maybe Salmond does not like British Energy because of its name?
13

watcher4,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:53:08
Salmond was never a banker, he worked for a bank and thats where it ends. Anyone that works out the Council Tax as "say" 3% shows his financial ability.
The Bank of Scotland lost all its connection with Scotland when it merged with the Halifax, and I can`t remember Salmond saying anything then.
I have to say that EDF will create jobs in Scotland if the narrow minded SNP don`t frighten them away.
14

bill-alba,

fife 24/09/2008 09:02:57
The britnats out in force decrying scotland again..if you hate scotland that much why are you here.
15

LKK252,

24/09/2008 09:35:30
#15 - why is it if you oppose some of Scottish Government policies, etc using reasoned arguments that you are automatically seen as hating Scotland? Perhaps you should apply some of this logic to your argument. I, who support Scotland remaining part of the UK also happen to be proud of Scotland. The two are not mutually exclusive!
16

Sedov,

Scotland 24/09/2008 13:08:58
#21 sm 753 & 11 rufus - yes you have got the SNP sussed to a Tee. What you don't own you cannot control. Nationalism of the kind Salmond spouts is a fetter to development in Scotland because we live in a world controlled and influenced by the international interests the advanced capitalist countries( now being challenged by China). Surely the events of the last few weeks have confirmed this and the fact that the utopian dreamers of an independent Scotland being able to go it alone and still believing this nonsense is frankly astonishing. For Salmond the credit crunch has exposed the sham of indepedence in a global economy and the game is up for him and his party. He can do nought because he has no power.
17

Miss H,

24/09/2008 17:09:32
I can't see the similarity between British Energy and HBOS.

The unions are behind the British Energy-EDF thing. They think that will save their jobs.

Whereas the HBOS workforce know fine well that their jobs will not be saved by what has happened. For a lot of them it will mean the opposite.
18

Grant,

Scotland 24/09/2008 19:16:19
#27 Yup, I completely agree with that, especially with regard to the Unions and their overt support for this deal. And that of the Government too. And the Scottish Government as well.

#26 sm753 - Dribbling nonsense.

Not only are the Unions actively supporting this deal - and very much talking it up, as above, but there is even the suggestion that not only will the EDF deal PROTECT jobs, it may actually even ENHANCE jobs. The impression garnered also shows that many BE employees are happy to see the end to the uncertainty. I mean, the Unions weren't exactly over the moon at the Lloyds-HBOS shenanigans were they?

Structurally as well, the situation is very different. Lloyds and HBOS are amalgamating operations, and creating duplication, not only on the High Street, but at the high end of the jobs food chain - with Corporate Banking in Edinburgh. Quite clearly, EDF taking over BE is not nearly in the same ballpark as Lloyds-HBOS in commercial terms. Surely even the thickest person can see that...?
19

Grant,

Scotland 24/09/2008 19:29:31
#22 Sedov

Hahahaha, excuse me while I pick over your comments. Did you actually say:

"For Salmond the credit crunch has exposed the sham of indepedence in a global economy and the game is up for him and his party. He can do nought because he has no power."

Ah, yes you did. Where do we start on that little gem?

So independence is only viable in a closed, autarky economic system? Well gee, has no-one told the 170 odd independent countries in the world that this is the case? That "independence" is not viable in the globalised world? I mean surely you don't just mean just in terms of Scotland. Even the thickest Unionist poltroon isn't daft enough to suggest that, or presume that Scotland is a "special case" when it comes to such matters. After all an independent Scotland will only be as independent as France, Italy, New Zealand or Canada.

And what does that mean? Well it means that Scotland is governed.........just like any other sovereign entity in the world is governed. S'not rocket science is it?

 

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