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Inside Holyrood - Election that no-one cares about is the one that matters the most



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Published Date: 04 August 2008
AMID all the excitement of the summer with political earthquakes in Glasgow, the final demise of Wendy Alexander's painful leadership of Scottish Labour and the subsequent struggle to succeed her, one story appears to have been almost unnoticed.
It is the forgotten election and – in case you need reminding – it is the one to replace Nicol Stephen as leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.

Some – mainly the Tories and Nationalists – are saying that the fact that nobody is taking notice o
f this three-way contest means that the Liberal Democrats are simply irrelevant now. Their polling in Scotland is currently 13 per cent at best and they do not hold the balance of power in Holyrood, so nobody cares.

All of which is true to a certain extent. And it was rather summed up by one of the contenders' ill-conceived attempt to launch his campaign. For reasons known to himself, Ross Finnie decided to do it the morning after the Glasgow East by-election when really there was only one story in town.

But this contest between Mr Finnie, Tavish Scott and Mike Rumbles could be hugely important and should not be under-estimated. If, as many people are predicting, the SNP wins a by-election in Motherwell and Wishaw next year when Labour's Jack McConnell heads to Malawi to take up the post of High Commissioner, then the Liberal Democrats would have the numbers to be Holyrood's power brokers again.

This would make it likely that a form of local income tax would replace the council tax. If Mr Rumbles were in charge it would make a referendum on independence and a push to at least devolution – or Home Rule – a much more realistic prospect than it is now.

And, as with the Labour leadership contest, this one is turning out to be too close to call. Mr Scott is the front-runner and safe pair of hands. But many in the party question whether a safe pair of hands is what is needed. They still blame him for last year's failed Holyrood election, when he was campaign manager, and are angry that he, apparently, unilaterally ruled out a coalition with the SNP.

Mr Finnie has gravitas (as well as the deepest voice in British politics) and some big-hitting supporters, including Lord David Steel. But some wonder if he appears too old and may have the Sir Menzies Campbell problem.

Mr Rumbles was once perceived as the outsider and firebrand. But his manifesto makes him the only one to lay out an distinctive vision for the party. Over the weekend, a senior party member told me that members were genuinely unsure who to back, but Mr Rumbles' manifesto was pulling support away from Mr Scott.

Ballot papers arrived with the party's 7,000 members on Friday and voting has already started. The winner will be announced on 26 August. It may be more interesting than many people think.





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Senga Jean,

04/08/2008 00:22:39
Lib? Lab? Who cares? They have made themselves absurd.
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/08/2008 01:08:38
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So you delete your registration, then register under the same name?

How clever.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 04/08/2008 01:17:01
Maddox is a right neep!Fib Dems are irrelevant. The Motherwell by election will change nothing.

Ming will see to it that whoever leads Fib Dems in Scotland will not be allowed to make up numbers in SNP led coalition - he is stewing in his own bile!

Also I suspect that the SNP will tell the Fib Dems to stew in it as well. Also they might not have the numbers themselves by then to make a coalition?
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FrancesP,

04/08/2008 01:38:14
There is a rather glaring contradiction in the paragraph that ponders whether Scott's 'safe pair of hands' is what the party currently needs. As stated, Tavish was the campaign manager for an election in which the Liberal Democrats were widely expected to win 20-25 seats and become the third largest party, but instead won just 16 (a net loss of one) and were left languishing in fourth place for the third parliament in a row. His machinations in the days after the election then virtually guaranteed that the party would leave government, and thus lose all the high profile and credibility that goes with it. Is this really the track record of a 'safe pair of hands'? Rather like Gordon Brown, it just goes to show how far a man's reputation can lag behind the reality.

Now that they have left government and are desperately struggling as the fourth party to get themselves noticed, the earnest dullness of Scott is the last thing they need, even if he wasn't such a clumsy pair of hands. Mike Rumbles' bold manifesto for a party under his leadership is the golden opportunity for the Lib Dems to get back into the game. For the sake of Scottish politics as much as themselves, I for one hope they grasp it with both hands.
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Mykel Mzoritz,

04/08/2008 01:45:37
Interesting... but.... http://www.ufo-thesnp.org.uk/
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muppetfinder,

04/08/2008 01:55:32
ming the labour stooge doesn't want them to assist the SNP so they are down the tubes. the three candidates are as big nonetities as labour. they could be in power but they screwed up. no futire under any of these leaders. doing worse than the snout in trough tories in scotland. says it all.
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 04/08/2008 03:09:08
It would appear that the contributors this morning have been at the sauce late last night.

It also appears that there was a road to Damascus Event in Edinburgh that I have missed totally, could it have something to do with the “Trams” and associated works?
There has now been two articles this morning both attributed to David Madox and no mention of that “Noble Lord” what-so-ever.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 04/08/2008 03:16:57
If the Libs elect Rumblers they have a great future.

If they elect Tavish Scott they are finished.

He is yet another toff who hates self-determination for the Scots.
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eric,

04/08/2008 06:59:52
3 seems to be awfully interested in all things GAY!.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 04/08/2008 07:01:22
The Scottish Liberal Democrats, are the most DISHONEST BUNCH OF HIHENASE I have seen for years. Tell that one to your CHILDREN!!!!!!!!
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Richard Taylor,

aberdeen 04/08/2008 07:27:49
You can just imagine AM2 & their ilk bleating even AFTER Independence!!

Speaking of whom, where ARE Highland"Mighty" et al? Or are they indeed one & the same troll???
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john z,

edinburgh 04/08/2008 07:57:31
Number 3,

What is it that makes you so straight and stupid?
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donald anderson it's me,

weegieland 04/08/2008 08:07:05
It won't matter which nonentity rules the Fib Dums, as Labour won't be in power to tell them what to do without their Ministerial cars.
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MacGillicuddy,

04/08/2008 08:07:57
Regardless of who becomes the leader, the Fibdems will remain the irrelevance they always have been.!
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Doh,

04/08/2008 08:45:44

The trouble with interal party elections is that they are bit like beauty contests held in a burns unit.

The three manifestos are exceptionally bland - and any difference in position must only be apparant to journalists that are being briefed rather than to humble members.

I will make my mind up at the hustings.

Although the party is doing well in the polls - I dotn think membership has increased to 7000 unless 3000 Shetlanders have joined overnight.
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Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 04/08/2008 09:02:29

Liberals like Labour and the Tories will become increasingly irrelevant in Scottish politics until they cut all ties with their London brethern. Scots deserve at least one true Scottish opposition party to keep the SNP in check and ensure the FM does not get above himself more than has been manifest over the last few weeks.
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Bo28,

Midlothian 04/08/2008 09:15:33
This is absurd.

Its all a punch and judy show folks. All of it. Scotland will go forward to being a minor region within the E.U whether its allowed independence at first or not. Labour, Libdem, Tory, Green, SNP its all the same result.

Do some homework and you'll see what I mean. You'll also see that the 'war on terror' is a myth and the major terror attacks carried out in the U.S and Europe were what is known 'false flag attack'. Merely an excuse for a war that can be waged in any country, on the slightest pretence to grab land and resources and also slip through increasingly draconian laws and loss of civil liberties.

Wake up.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 09:17:11
The Scots Lib-Dem Party, except for a few pockets of traditional support in the Northern Isles and Borders,
is irrelevant to Scots politics.

In recent years it has only come back into prominence by propping up previous Labour Scottish Executives. The Nationalists also attempted to entice it into coalition to prop up its minority administration.

English candidate Mike Rumbles pitch for the leadership never even raised a headline when he proposed 'Home Rule' for Scotland along the old Liberal Party lines?

Like the leadership race for the Labour Party in Scotland, many members of the general public could not tell you the names of ANY of the candidates?
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Alan B,

04/08/2008 09:51:45
This election does matter in that if the lib dems fail to turn themselves round they could end up being wiped from the electral map of scotland. Alternatively if they get it right they could propel themselves back into a dominent party in scotland.

With pr parties can start up and get seat much easier, ie ssp and greens etc. They can also die faster aswell.

Part of the problems with the lib dems is it give people very few reasons to vote for it. It has few cutting edge and dynamic policies or ideas. It is no longer a real liberal party but more a social democratic one (alhtough their new uk leader seems to be wanting to drag them rightish). And by being so aligned with labour and going into government with them for so long are hardly the social democratic alternative to them.
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Scottish 'N British,

04/08/2008 10:04:36
This goes well beyond Scottish Labour and the Scottish Lib Dems politicians.

1. Last year, Salmond wrote to 122 states regarding the NPT.


..."Please do not hesitate to contact me if you or your government wish to discuss these issues further.”

How many acted on his request?


2. In April, Salmond was in New York for the newly-branded Scotland week.

How many of the 3 US presidential candidates did he meet?


No-one cares.
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Scottish 'N British,

04/08/2008 10:11:47
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Answers -

1. no-one replied.
2. no-one met him.
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George Mackay,

Dundee 04/08/2008 10:12:38
Personally I don't think that this is an interesting election. Why don't we talk about something more interesting and important, like changes to Brechin City's second team?
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 10:15:09
It must take a strange type of view of politics to imagine that one of the minor opposition parties leadership elections is the one that 'matters most'.

Ever since the Lib Dems turned their back on the Claim of Right and the democratic principles of their party and declared they were just another unionist party desperate to deny Scots a chance to vote on independence their vote has fell like a brick down a well.

No matter who they put in as leader if they keep to this course they will be finished and quite frankly no-one will care less.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 04/08/2008 10:41:40
I'm also surprised there hasn't been more coverage of this, because the outcome is potentially FAR more significant than whether Scottish Labour ends up being led by Numpty 1, Numpty 2 or Numpty 3.

If the Lib Dems elect Tavish Scott, they'll be committing suicide, as simple as that. They'll haemorrhage voters, mostly to the SNP, and that'll be the end. He's a complete idiot, and he stands for the same policies that have taken them from government to a distant fourth behind the Tories in a year, and still falling. If the LDs vote for more of the same, they might as well clear their desks and lock up the office behind them, because they'll be wiped out in 2011 like they were in Glasgow East.

If they vote for Rumbles, they have a chance of turning things round. If he supports the SNP on a referendum (as appears to be his position), and McConnell loses his seat, the Lib Dems will share the credit for giving the Scottish people the voice over their future that they crave, and the Red Tories and Blue Tories won't be able to do a damn thing about it. The party will become relevant again, and will be seen as a genuine alternative rather than just Labour's lapdogs.

The Labour leadership election doesn't matter a damn, because whoever wins it won't change anything - all the candidates are damaged goods, and all are anti-referendum. But the Lib Dem one has the future of Scotland riding on it.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 10:42:36
The Whigs are a total irrelevance in Scottish politics. They've been fence sitting for so long they've damaged their brains.

In any event, who is likely to vote for Finnie, the man who destroyed most of the Scottish fishing industry.
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jacquesmac,

04/08/2008 11:37:38
The LibDems must have really pi$$ed of some Deus a few years ago.

They are forever condemned to wonder the political wilderness seeking whatever sustenance they can, looking for a Messiah to lead them to their Promised Land.

All they have are false prohets and exploitation by visiting would-be Monarchs lacking in cannon fodder.

Nae luck then and none forseen either.
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jacquesmac,

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Funeral Notice for The LibDems

Announcement will be made shortly regarding the arrangements.

See all local newspaers for deatails or call

0131 123 4567 and ask for AM2
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Boggle fey the Bog,

04/08/2008 11:56:36
32 Guga II,Rockall 04/08/2008 10:42:36

You make a presumption that they had brains to start with, "Whigs and Brains"?

It just don't sound right, not like Bodie and Doyle, Ying and Yang,Romeo and Juliet, Lager and Lime, Whisky and Soda.

Naw it don't really work does it Guga ;-)
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Neil,

Glasgow 04/08/2008 12:22:42
They are only irrelevant because they choose to be. The blandness in the manifestos Doh mentions says it all. If any of them actually mentioned the lunacy the party stands for (100% windmillery, economic decline, state control of most of the economy to fulfil the "aspirations" of every passing special interest group, 200mph speed limit, increased subsidies for bicyclers, increased subsidy for school teaching purely in gaelic etc etc) they would be laughed out of Holyrood.

He says "Although the party is doing well in the polls" which must be some polls not visible on this planet.

The sad thing is that at the last Westminster election they were the 2nd party in Scotland & generally considered the most innovative party in the Executive (granted the competition wasn't tough) & they have thrown it away along with any liberal principles to embrace Ludditism.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 04/08/2008 12:43:41
Opposition parties try to make political capital from SNP not having a proper mandate owing to lack of majority.
This is a rather stupid statement to make considering the voting system in place in Scotland and Labour no longer the force they were, so if any of the other opposition parties get an opportunity to govern, you can bet they will be in the same boat as the SNP without a sizeable majority to drive policies through!!
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AJ Fife,

04/08/2008 13:01:17
Am I blocked from this site?
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AJ Fife,

04/08/2008 13:02:19
Strange, can't comment on the lead 'Gordon Brown is a moron' story, but I can on this one!??
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ThomasP,

04/08/2008 13:03:19
#27

Your right. No one cares for Scotland, why? Because when it comes to Britain you would talk to the Prime Minister of Britain. You would not talk to a Leader whos Parliament is incapable of International Matters.

You proudly have shown that Scottish Independence is not only good for Scotland internally but also on an International Level.

Should Scotland continue to exist apart of the EU or anything and be unable to make her own choices?

Independence!!!
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antifa,

04/08/2008 13:08:02
36 - do the Lib Dems really stand for economic decline, state control of the economy and 200mph speed limits?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 13:31:50
Who exactly was the previous leader of the Lib-Dems, was it Nicola someone?

They appear to be a total waste of space, apart from the fact that they all seem to have curious accents and surnames.

Rumbles, Mainwearing and Tavish, sounds like a Fringe comedy trio from the University of Liecester.

I suppose they could consider going into coalition with the Labour Party leadership candidates, putting on a comedy show, and bill themselves as “The Six Dwarves”.

One dwarf short of a light bulb.

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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 04/08/2008 13:34:24
The sooner the scottish government get rid and make all opposition parties illegal the better I prefer a one party state dictatorship type government and obviously we have to have the borders closed noone in noone out
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ThomasP,

04/08/2008 13:37:01
#43

Yes because the SNP are undemocratic and are already building the border walls for once we are Independent...

What nonsense.
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Daveunderwater,

04/08/2008 13:51:36
Surely the most imprtant piece of news at present is the implosion of the Labour Party as the disappear up their own backyards, onward to political vaccuity.

Alex Salmon has had a hand in it

So yes you could say on this occasion "It's the SNPs Fault"

LOL
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Daveunderwater,

04/08/2008 13:52:31
# 44

To save money Alex Salmon has unveiled plans to upgrade Hadrian's Wall
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Tris,

04/08/2008 14:02:31


#27 Scottish and British. You asked a question at 10.04.

Who answered it?

You! No one else.... You must know how Mr Salmond feels then.

No one cares.......as you said when you answered it yourself!

QED
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Neil,

Glasgow 04/08/2008 14:58:33
Sorry Antifa 41 that should have ben 20 mph speed limits - I stuttered.

Otherwise correct. The LDs do officially stand for relative decline, industry run by Greenpeace & getting used to blackouts & hypothermia.
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The Spook in Leith,

04/08/2008 16:14:14
eh?? its says 1062 comments at the top but only 49 comments, Highland Mighty must have been deleted, thank god for that..

Now to the Lib Dems, er no i cant be bothered with them, to irrelevant, YAWN..ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz!!BURP!!
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kimba,

04/08/2008 16:15:10
Lets hope who ever replaces him has enough back bone to stand up to salmond.
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ThomasP,

04/08/2008 16:16:32
#51

I doutb anyone can.

You even have Cameron on his knees begging Salmond not take the Union away.

That should tell you something.
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kimba,

04/08/2008 16:19:58
50. Celtic didn't do to good against the Boro! strachan was sh--ing himself.
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kimba,

04/08/2008 16:25:13
52. REALLY, Don't think Cameron see's it that way--"Let me make it one hundred percent clear: I am passionate about the Union. I don't want to be the Prime Minister of England. I want to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - all of it, including Scotland.

"I absolutely believe we are stronger together, and weaker apart, and I will do anything and everything to keep our two countries as one.
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ThomasP,

04/08/2008 16:31:53
#54

Exactly.

Desperate for the Union to work, Cameron understands that he will loose it unless he kisses Salmonds behind.
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kimba,

04/08/2008 16:38:34
55. Cameron went on to tell friends,"If that means putting troops on the streets of scotland,so be it".
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ThomasP,

04/08/2008 16:41:24
#55

Aye right.

You have no idea the amount of Scottish soldiers make up the British Army.

Why don't you present hard evidence that supports your claim that Cameron did threaten to use soldiers?

You simply can not hack the idea that Cameron is actually talking and negociating with Salmond which clearly shows Independence more popular then shown.
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Scottish 'N British,

04/08/2008 16:46:46
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hehehe

Kimba's reeling you in, BIG time, kid!!!


LOL


Back of the net.
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Scottish 'N British,

04/08/2008 16:47:40
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Can't stop laughing, sorry!!!

Gullible, or what?
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"Hoots" Fandango,

04/08/2008 16:48:00
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David Cameron didn't say anything about putting troops on the streets in Scotland. He'd be pretty upset to see that someone has posted this here.
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ThomasP,

04/08/2008 16:50:17
#58

No, not quite. What idiot would really think that soldiers would be moved into Scotland when we declare Independence?

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"Hoots" Fandango,

04/08/2008 16:50:21
Maybe Cameron said he be putting boots on his feet. That'll be it; a simple misunderstanding.
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Scottish 'N British,

04/08/2008 16:50:58
Jings, whit a day I've had.

Wish this stuff had been posted at 08:30. Made my day. The sun's out, too.

Then again, the sun will always shine as long as we're in The Union.
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The Spook in Leith,

04/08/2008 17:47:51
kimba,04/08/2008 16:19:58
50. Celtic didn't do to good against the Boro! strachan was sh--ing himself.

er what ? er excuse me, er what are you on about??

Feyenoord 1 - 3 Celtic: Vennegoor brace helps Celtic cruise to victory against Feyenoord.

Now are you not thinking about the 3-2 win for Boro over the Hibees, nuff..
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The Spook in Leith,

04/08/2008 17:49:27
kimba is a man, stuntman mike says..
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"Hoots" Fandango,

04/08/2008 17:51:57
What is this fascination with Kimba?
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brownlie,

04/08/2008 18:37:57
64 Spooky

Thanks for the untimely reminder, ex-pal!!
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The Spook in Leith,

04/08/2008 19:02:25
Hoots" Fandango,04/08/2008 17:51:57
What is this fascination with Kimba?

she/he has that sort of addictive have to post back to syndrome..

#67 brownlie...oops sorry, sniff sniff..COME ON THE HIBEES XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Jwil,

04/08/2008 19:19:43
1081 posts?

What happened to them? I wouldn't have thought there was that much interest in the LibDems, or this article, or this Newspaper for that matter.
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brownlie,

04/08/2008 19:44:11
A little bird tells me why you went off Cathy Jamieson. It seems you told her "Get your coat, you've pulled" and she replied "Ooer, you're a little forward, are you not". Hehe!
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The Spook in Leith,

04/08/2008 19:54:49
#70 browlie

lol, never listen to little birds, i prefer Wendy Alexander, Ooer i say them bright red lips can clamp my man thing anytime..Ooer bing them on hee hee..
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jacquesmac,

04/08/2008 22:44:24
51 kimba,04/08/2008 16:15:10

Legsa

Go to bed, right now, with no more rubber toys!

Bad little whatever you are!

Matron
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Arfur,

05/08/2008 13:28:39
#54 Mount Kimba - that wouldn't be a good idea. After all with the amount of Scots in the army and every Scottish regiment having had combat experience recently and the fact that 70% of the SAS are Scots, we might just think to ourselves that we may as well take over England after pumping the lot you send up.
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