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Published Date: 03 July 2008
NICOL Stephen last night resigned suddenly and unexpectedly as the Scottish Liberal Democrats' leader, plunging his party into turmoil.
He told parliamentary colleagues he could not juggle the demands of the job with his family life. The MSP has four children and it is understood he has found it increasingly difficult to spend time with his family in Aberdeenshire while being party leader. He will remain as an MSP for Aberdeen South.

His resignation means there are now two parties looking for a leader after Wendy Alexander's decision to step down as Labour leader last week amid a row over leadership campaign donations.

"It has been an honour to lead the party over the last three years," Mr Stephen said last night. "Everyone involved in politics knows that there are stresses and strains on family life. The health and wellbeing of your family has got to come first."

And he added: "Perhaps my announcement today should alert people to the demands placed on politicians and their families."

He is married to Caris and they have two sons and two daughters aged between four and 12.

Mr Stephen's decision to stand down will spark a leadership contest with Tavish Scott, the MSP for Shetland, the clear favourite to replace him.

Mike Rumbles, the independence-minded MSP who stood against Mr Stephen in the battle to succeed Jim – now Lord – Wallace, last night confirmed he would run, adding:

"I am heartened by the numbers of people contacting me and asking me to stand. Having stood before I am ready to do it again. I feel I have a lot to offer the party."

The leadership election process is likely to conclude by early September. Michael Moore MP, the deputy leader, will take the role of acting leader.

Mr Stephen had a poor election last May when his party came fourth behind the Tories. The Lib Dems had served in coalition rule with Labour for eight years.

Mr Stephen stayed on to lead his party in opposition but refused to enter a coalition with the SNP because of Alex Salmond's insistence on a referendum on independence. He surprised many with the way he has scored points at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of Mr Salmond.

Lord Wallace said: "Nicol Stephen can move on, confident his achievements in government and opposition will stand the test of time."

Audrey Findlay CBE, national convener of the Scottish Lib Dems sent an e-mail to party members. It read: "Family life is important to everyone. You cannot re-run a child's childhood."

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader, said: "Families are paramount. We wish Nicol and his family the best for the future."

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrats' leader, said Mr Stephen was an "outstanding politician and force for change in Scotland", adding: "He will remain an important figure in the Liberal Democrats."

IN QUOTES

"Everyone involved in politics knows there are stresses and strains on family life. But when you have to make a choice between family and politics the health of your family has to come first."

"With four children between the ages of four and 12, my family has to be my priority."

"I have been away from home at least four working days each week for more than nine years."

"As party leader, the responsibilities have been even more demanding. There is rarely a weekend, birthday or family holiday when the demands of the job do not intrude. It can have an impact. And when that impact becomes too great, it is time to put my family first."

"My hunger for change in Scotland is no less now than when I started in politics 25 years ago. However, that drive and that passion comes at a price. And it is a sacrifice that my family should no longer have to make. Their happinessis more important than any political office and that is the reason for me standing down."

The full article contains 665 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2008 12:54 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Liberal Democrats
 
1

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 00:02:39
Come on, Salmond.

Do us all a favour and join them in their taxi.

Take your overblown ego, your lies, your hatred, your dodgy economics, your obsession to be a latter-day Wallace and let's go for a hatrick.

What do y'say?!
2

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2008 00:03:07
So, Nicol is a Labour politician as we all suspected!
3

Schot,

03/07/2008 00:03:42
Lib/Lab suicide pact ?
4

Colkitto,

River Clyde 03/07/2008 00:04:58
Looks like the unionist parties have no answer to Salmond.
5

ThomasP,

03/07/2008 00:05:11
"Lib Dems in disarray as leader Stephen quits."

Who from which party?
6

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03/07/2008 00:05:44
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ThomasP,

03/07/2008 00:08:26
"Mr Stephen had a poor election last year when his party came fourth behind the Conservatives. The Lib Dems had served in coalition rule with Labour for eight years."

Fly with the crows, you will be shot down with them.

What do the suspect after 8 years working with Labour?
8

Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 03/07/2008 00:09:38
#1 = #6
9

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03/07/2008 00:10:14
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Richardinho,

03/07/2008 00:10:41
Don't know where that #8 came from btw!
11

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2008 00:10:46
Is it just a coincidence that Stephen quit within a week of Alexander? I don't think so !
12

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 00:12:26
#9 = #2, #3, #4, #5, #7, #8...
13

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03/07/2008 00:13:05
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2008 00:13:11
#1 Desperate stuff. This has nothing to do with Salmond.

You are displaying your pain for all to see.
15

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03/07/2008 00:17:31
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John PM,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 00:18:55
Who is the Scotsman trying to kid?

"Mr Stephen has gone on to surprise observers with the way he has scored points off Mr Salmond at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of the First Minister, which had been beyond Ms Alexander."

Name one time! What I remember is Stephen pretending there was a 'whiff of sleaze' about Trump when in fact Salmond had done nothing wrong and his disastrous decision to become more unionist than the Tories.

That's no doubt why his party's vote is in free-fall.

At one point the Lib Dems believed in something called the 'Claim of Right' which means that Scotland has an absolute right to choose our own destiny, something even wee Windy realised but Nicol did not.

Whatever new leader they get no doubt the Scotsman will pretend they are the bees knees. In fact Stephen was a very dull wimpish individual, no better than the ancient but smarter Sir Ming or his equally dull UK leader Nick Clegg. (Maybe the Scotsman thinks Clegg is murdering everyone else at UK level as well, it's just no-one else has noticed his brilliance!).

The ONE time Nicol stood up for Scotland over our right to the oil revenues his party leadership ignored him and it was never mentioned again!
17

ThomasP,

03/07/2008 00:20:14
19 Jwil.

Most of the time I found Nicol Stephen defending the Western part of Scotland, neglecting the fact Mr Stephen represents an Eastern seat and what the SNP done would actually help his own constinuency.
18

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03/07/2008 00:20:35
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Queen D,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 00:21:03
I really don't get the bit about Nicol the Nose scoring points at FMQs, I thought he was dreadful!
Wonder if the Aberdeen bypass has caused him discomfort??
Personality bypass has caused those watching him discomfort.
Please not flirtatious ,simpering Tavish.
20

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 03/07/2008 00:22:46
This will have no effect on the Referendum FOR INDEPENDECE results to be held in 2009. He just does not wish to be around when SCOTLAND votes OVERWHELMINGLY in favour for INDEPENDENCE!!!!
21

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03/07/2008 00:22:52
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 00:23:35
"Mr Stephen has gone on to surprise observers with the way he has scored points off Mr Salmond at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of the First Minister, which had been beyond Ms Alexander."

Hamish's statement is factually correct. It happened in a parallel universe , about 8,000 light years the other side of Alpha Centauri. Only Hamish is able to report from *that* universe and sometimes he does get it a bit mixed up with the one the rest of us inhabit. Bless !
23

Claymore,

03/07/2008 00:26:43
There's got to be a story here. Could Nicol have been having a fling with Wendy?

(sorry to anyone reading at breakfast time)
24

Claymore,

03/07/2008 00:27:33
25 Scotindy. Seek help.
25

karinxxx,

03/07/2008 00:27:50
Mr Stephen has gone on to surprise observers with the way he has scored points off Mr Salmond at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of the First Minister, which had been beyond Ms Alexander

that wasnt what the papers were saying before she resigned...................
26

Paula,

03/07/2008 00:27:52
Hurrah, begone before someone drops a house on you too (reference there to the previous good news that the witch was dead.) Goodbye to the whiney little brat and lets have someone competent.

The Lib Dems still have to recover from their pact with the devil. They weren't so much in government as being allowed to sit at the big table but only if they behaved.

Tavish, but only if he grows that beard again.
27

McMillar,

London 03/07/2008 00:28:01
Smells like……leadership bypass.

Or is there more to come on this one?
28

karinxxx,

03/07/2008 00:29:33
ooo family reasons thats been done before.


I wonder what the real story is?
29

Paula,

03/07/2008 00:29:38
#30 Never mind breakfast, that is going to give me nightmares. Ah, yeuch, keep notions like that to yourself!
30

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2008 00:35:37
The real reason will surface soon.

One word - "spineless".

Wait for the fireworks !!!!
31

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/07/2008 00:35:51
Remember Jo Moore's comment on September 11: "A good day to bury bad news."

Given his sleaze enquiry about the Aberdeen by-pass and the LibDem meltdown in the North East (partly to do with Nichol's nose) and given that Labour are electing a new leader and there's a big by-election on I think he's trying to slip out unnoticed.

Problem is that tavish Scott is implicated in the enquiry too. So, looks like Raucous Rumbles will have to step up. Salmond better be careful;)
32

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 00:37:43
40
Believe it or not, HM© is a fakie who tries to argue in the same mode as his/hers/its hero.
Or talk about sphincters and really itchy anuses.

Best ignore Ken, unless you want to spend a pointless night.
33

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 00:38:58
27. If you want to talk about parallel universes, you could see which one #25 is in.

* Dropping/unchanged support shown in repeated polls for independence compared to a year ago.
* Increasing support in many polls for continuing in the UK compared to a year ago.
* Only 1% of the population have visited the SNP's much-publicised 'National Conversation'.
* Less than 0.01% of the population have actually contributed to the SNP's much-publicised 'National Conversation'.
* Less than 1% of the population has signed any of the pro-independence petitions.
* The SNP itself proves that Scotland receives its full geographic share of oil revenue.
* Salmond's claim that Scotland will be one of the world's richest countries once independent due to the oil revenue, is totally discredited by his very own creation, the 'RBS Oil and Gas Index', which shows oil production is barely a third what it was in 1999....and still falling at 8-10% a year.

No support. No economic argument. Manifesto pledges dropping like flies.

Just what colour is the sky in Scotindy's dimension??
34

Paula,

03/07/2008 00:40:27
#40 But it would be a unique selling point for them.

Could you imagine visitors to the Parly being faced by an opposition leader who looks like he is eating a bear's backside.

There is little enough to have fun with these days. We need some characters.
35

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 00:41:18
Ah, looks like somebody has been deleted, makes the rest of us, counter posting look like diddies.
36

Paula,

03/07/2008 00:41:57
Highland Mighty is mighty annoying.

Could people please ignore.

Thanking you kindly.
37

Guga II,

Rockall 03/07/2008 00:44:22
The Whigs have obviously been feeling out of place as they couldn't get their snouts in the trough any longer as they were no longer in bed with the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch).

As for that numpty Nicol Stephen, there is no way he was a match for wee Eck, at FMQ or any other time. Like the rest of the Whigs, he was living in a dream world.

At the next Scottish elections, they will still be in fourth place; though probably just behind their former bed-mates this time.

#1 Highland Blight. Why don't you go and vent your racist spleen in some of the English newspapers. You are getting very boring.
38

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 00:50:28
Ayrshire Scot, have you changed your username?

Are you trying to hide so I don't remind people how YOU proved that Scotland has been subsidised by that mean old UK for the past 19 years?

All that bluff and bluster from the nats about the UK "stealing from Scotland"....and it is a nat that finally proves those claims wrong!
39

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 03/07/2008 00:50:49
Poor, poor, Highland Shighty, the last Unionist in Scotland.

Meanwhile, how's this for a mouthwatering prospect:

Alex Salmond comes back from the Parliament's summer break and faces his first FMQs grilling at the hands of... Tavish Scott and Margaret Curran.

Go on, just imagine it. Sweet dreams, everyone.
40

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 00:53:35
55. "the last Unionist in Scotland"???

Oh, you really need to get out more!

Maybe you just need to get out. That's probably closer to the truth.

Go on. Get outside, get some sun on that bleached skin of yours and maybe, just maybe, you might meet some real people.
41

Paula,

03/07/2008 00:54:38
#55 Not Margaret Curran, Labour couldn't possibly be *that* stupid!...Could they?
42

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 00:57:20
54. All this time and all those links you have posted...

...and there has only been 715 visitors?!

Hey, there's that "0.01% of the population" again.

Thanks for proving my claims in post 44, much appreciated.
43

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 01:01:39
68. Far more than you've managed to scrape together for YOUR bizarre little poll.

How many times have you posted that link? Dozens? Hundreds?

What a complete waste of time, eh!
44

Paula,

03/07/2008 01:01:56
#68 Don't feed the troll! Ignore him and he'll go find a bridge somewhere to hide under, preferably one without WiFi.
45

ThomasP,

03/07/2008 01:03:16
53 Highland Mighty©

"Are you trying to hide so I don't remind people how YOU proved that Scotland has been subsidised by that mean old UK for the past 19 years?"

How can the United Kingdom subsidise Scotland, when in fact the United Kingdom runs a debt?

The United Kingdom can not possibly subsidise Scotland if the United Kingdom spends money it does not have.
46

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 03/07/2008 01:03:44
And the indie juggernaut rumbles on and on and on and ....
Brown's next. You've heard it here first.
47

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 01:03:58
And the nats are now fighting among themselves.

I really should be in bed but this is just too funny.
48

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 01:05:36
80. Your consistent failure to understand economics only goes towards bolstering the stereotype that nationalists have no idea what they are talking about.
49

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 01:11:59
Jeez
Is there just one?
Or has the Scotsman and its intrepid, seeking after truth bloggers, become a nut magnet?

Highland Mighty, for all being an annoying (Scotsman will not let me post) cant, has posts on this side of sanity.
(By the way, I am in the Hopetoun Inn, Macdonald Road, quite a lot. if you ever fancy a real argument instead of your pretendy one with McMadman...)
50

Vivas,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 01:13:45
"He surprised many with the way he has scored points at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of Mr Salmond."

This is my favourite example of Wee Nicol "getting the better of Mr. Salmond". It's from pre-Xmas and Alex signs off with a bit of festive spirit.

http://tinyurl.com/4kr2yc

Enjoy :-))
51

Highland Mighty©,

03/07/2008 01:18:45
90. Salmond in 'refusing to answer question' shocker!

SNP MSPs in 'applauding Great Leader regardless of what he says' shocker!
52

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 01:21:32
Interesting times. Both main challengers to the SNP rudderless at a Bi Election.

I wonder who he was fiddling......or what..........

53

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 01:24:06
Right then HM. Hopetoun Inn 5pm Friday.

Or forever shut the fk up.

ps, there is a free buffet.
54

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/07/2008 01:24:41
47 Ken_Fitlike,03/07/2008 00:41:30,

A perfect time to distance themselves from Labour too. Maybe they are considering a policy change on a referendum and fiscal autonomy. And Nichol was heavily associated with Labour. Perhaps because he is becoming such a pariah in the North East he wants to be forgotten about completely.

I wonder if there are some vulnerable Westminster seats:O) Jangling nerves.

Lots of positives here for the LibDems in this decision.

55

RightTurn,

03/07/2008 01:26:41
He really wasn't up to the job, that's the real reason for his departure. None of the parties have an individual who can match Alex Salmond. Tavish Scott nor Bumbles Rumbles will not be able to reverse their party's decline into irrelevancy.

The question is not who their next leader will be, but what is the point of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.
56

RightTurn,

03/07/2008 01:31:05
#98

"Lots of positives here for the Lib Dems.."

That's spin that would make even Alastair Campbell blush.
57

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 01:36:07
#97 I might come along to spectate if Mighty has the bottle to put his dignity(even the small amount he appears to have) on the line?
58

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 01:36:53
I quite fancy seeing some boxing too.....
59

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 01:39:48
103
You are welcome, Raj.

60

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 01:43:33
It has been well proven time and time agian HM is a troll. I just go past his postswithout reading them, cos he is a proven tool of stellar proportions.
61

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 01:44:20
104
If only in spirit;-)
62

scotstoun_voter,

glasgow 03/07/2008 01:47:54
forgive me but its like rats jumping off a sinking ship!
unionist london labour arwe in a mess now the not so democratic lib dems are in a mess me thinks the have given up the ghost to the snp???

lets see what the summer brings already 2 out of 3 unionist partys have lost a leader whos next annabelle??
63

Conan the Librarian™,

03/07/2008 01:49:02
106
Well, I have drawn my line in the sand.

Only hope the arrogant, patronising, pirrick sees this.

64

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 03/07/2008 01:53:59
Right Turn,
Why spin? Look, they have seats in the North East and Stephen is a liability there now - they could all fall. There will be a report too on the Aberdeen by-pass enquiry in September which may well implicate Stephen with sleaze. What I'm saying is that it may well be a good time, while no-one is looking, for him to stand down. If he stays he'll drag the party through more trauma.

No spin in that - just fairly obvious commentary really.
65

Edward,

03/07/2008 01:55:58
Hate to be cruel, but what exactly did Nicol Stephen do as parliamentary leader of the Libdems??
All I saw was inane remarks and questions at PMQ's. mostly not relevant
So he will continue to travel to Edinburgh each week, sit in the Libedem back benches and do nothing, isnt that what he does anyway. If he genuinely wants to spend more time with his family, then why not just resign the seat its self and have a by election?
66

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03/07/2008 01:58:04
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Edward,

03/07/2008 02:00:22
Find it interesting that the Libdems have to have Michael Moore MP is to take charge while the leadership contest is staged. So why do thyey have to have a Westminster MP in charge of the Holyrood MSP's ?
69

RightTurn,

03/07/2008 02:22:58
#110

It's hardly good for the Lib Dems to be leaderless now is it? Especially when there aren't any decent candidates to replace him.

As a constituent of Nicol's, I await the report into the by-pass with interest.
70

Jimbo2,

03/07/2008 02:24:20
Politics aside, I've no doubt that in his private life Nicol Stephen is a very decent man and a very caring father.

Good luck to him. He's putting his family before his personal ambitions.

I've also no doubt he must have been really scunnered lately by the machinations of his former allies (Labour) in the unionist alliance. It must have been very disheartening for him to see the Labour party casting aside their shared alliance purely to suit the narrow partisan Labour agenda.

Firstly they inveigle him and his party into backing the Calman Commission in order to hold up the referendum process, and once the Liberals and Tories are fully committed to that cause, the labour Party do a volte face and demand an instant referendum. Who'd want to be a political leader who has to share a room never mind a platform with that corrupt, sleaze ridden outfit?

How's the Aberdeen by-pass inquiry coming along? I smell sleaze.
71

RightTurn,

03/07/2008 02:31:25
#116

It begins in September.
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Legacy,

NE 03/07/2008 03:20:36
As H.M. said to P.B. there are things happening we know nothing about!
Will they out, watch this space.
74

subrosa,

03/07/2008 03:30:14
# 119

Aye there's something not quite right about the urgency of this.
75

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donald,

glasgow 03/07/2008 06:27:04
Unlike Glasgow's Eastenders, Nic and Wendy will not be retiring to poverty. Anyone as incompetent as the dumbanick duo would be living in welfare benefits and not Unionist benefits. Will they receive Queen's awards?

Has Nic no more silly letters to read out, so as Alex can bash him one more time, for old time's sake: "For the sake of Auld Land Syne".
77

inkster,

03/07/2008 06:49:04
NS's official site, says it all
http://www.nicolstephen.org.uk/

78

inkster,

03/07/2008 06:51:31
The last thing any decent politician (oxymoron?) is to be supported by the scotsman comic the sure and certain kiss of death.

79

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 06:53:46
Personally, I'm in favour of a one-party state:The SNP, naturally. On saying that, my tongue is only partly lodged in my cheek. Once we've achieved our cherished Independence, we can all go our separate, political ways.
80

inkster,

03/07/2008 06:54:51
To the new leaders of the Labour and Liberal parties. Save your skins, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em
81

inkster,

03/07/2008 07:00:44
So Goodbye young Mr Fogey Nicol. After your last salary and expenses cheque later this year it's back to the ledgers and tombs (legal ones that is). Sleaze Im afraid.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 03/07/2008 07:02:04
tavish scott another eejit who likes the expenses perks,his support of road taxes from technology that has not even beeen invented yet said it all about the man.has nicol run away hand in hand with wee wendy,will a scandal develop
83

An Beal Bacht,

03/07/2008 07:14:10
Nicol Stephen was no friend of Scotland. He will not be missed.
84

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 03/07/2008 07:20:39
Nicol fingering Jackie The Hut? :-O

No wonder she's been on the pies!!
85

roughrider,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 07:41:10
So slimeball stephens joins the crook ubendy, cant hack it against A.Salmond.Ha,ha,ha,ha.
Mibee he got a whiff of sleaze when bent Wendy walked out the door and he decided to follow the bad smell.
Lib/Lab erses are in blind panic.
Roll on the glasgow east election,Liebour prepare for a hiding.
SNP for me.
HM is Wendy,s bum wipe.
Oh happy days.
86

LEAL,

03/07/2008 07:47:03
The leader of the Scottish branch of another London,England based party resigns.Is it not time the Lib Dems in Scotland became Scottish?
87

LEAL,

03/07/2008 07:47:04
The leader of the Scottish branch of another London,England based party resigns.Is it not time the Lib Dems in Scotland became Scottish?
88

roughrider,

03/07/2008 07:57:45
132 Richard Taylor,Aberdeen.
Slimey Stephens has his fingers if a few pies ,but JABA
the hut.

You put me off my breakfast with that one ,jezus the thought of it.
Oh the smell.
Puuukkke.
89

jdships,

03/07/2008 08:06:00
Interesting comparison's here

Salmond - the egotist and puffed up pigeon.
Alexander - sleazey blusterer
Scott - little boy lost , end of
Goldie - A lady doing her job quietly be it right or wrong.
90

brownlie,

03/07/2008 08:08:51
131 Rules

Congratulations on adopting a unique position!

Are you that desperate for friends?

Can you and your hero, Highland Mighty, demonstrate evidence of Salmond's hatred?

91

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 03/07/2008 08:31:38
re the quote above - He surprised many with the way he has scored points at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of Mr Salmond.

Well let me say this fact didn't surprise me as he's a far braver and intelligent man than Salmond will ever be. I've known man and boy Nicol Stephen since he stood and won Kincardine and Desside from the Tory's in that famous by-election over 25 years ago. He's a credit to this party of ours, a credit to his country and most important of all a credit to his family. His kids will benefit from seeing more of their dad and anyone who thinks he has about-tailed an run for any other reason is a charlatan.
92

A Scott,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 08:40:32
Whatever the real reason is ,profiteering or sleaze the Unionist press and TV will cover it.
93

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 03/07/2008 08:41:05
~114 - what an eejit you are. Michael Moore is a Scottish MP and is deputy leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrat PARTY, not deputy leader of the Scottish MSP's, amongst whom there will now be a contest for a new leader.

For goodness sake no wonder the sad wee Scotty mentality is aliving and kicking in our "modern" Scotland with numpties like you around the political fringes.
94

A Scott,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 08:41:55
Post 142. That of course should be "cover it UP"
95

Jock ex 45Cdo RM,

THORNHILL 03/07/2008 08:43:50
Work Schedule ? seems like keeping the EASY day job is OK, will Nicol not now have to work so hard? This Aberdeen MSP speaks with forked tongue.
And Big Alec, time you treated the oposition Leaders a bit easier, soon there will be no oposition to FREEDOM
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roughrider,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 08:43:56
141 Liberal for life,Dunblane.
Ha,ha,ha,ha.
You had me in stitches with that one.More intelligent than A.Salmond. Ha,ha,ha.
Slimeball Stephens is a total waster, I heard his family tried really hard to talk him out of spending more time with them.
lol
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Jings Crivens,

03/07/2008 08:46:09
Its just goes to show that hitting your head against a brick wall is bad for your health.

After listening to Cavalier salmond's lies, broken promises, hatred and creatiaon of rcaial tension I can understand why he left.

Hopefully the new leaders will understand that to pin down Salmond, don't give him th echange to make rabble rousing speeches but catch him out where he is weakest .... in the detail.

Rememeber an independent Scotland would not get 5000 jobs from the supercarriers
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jenny,

musselburgh 03/07/2008 08:47:48
The Scottish Libdems are certainly not in disarray! Nicol has resigned for legitimate reasons which we should respect and we have a robust system in place for electing his successor - no scandal, no sleaze. And we have quite a good choice of MSPs from whom to elect the next leader - disarray? No disarray.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 08:51:51
Warmongering Unionist 147 Jings Crivens.
Wrote
"Rememeber an independent Scotland would not get 5000 jobs from the supercarriers".What a stupid comment.
Pathetic stuff.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 08:53:54
Stephens bottled it.
Is he not being investigated for his part in the Aberdeen by pass?
I smell sleaze.
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brownlie,

03/07/2008 08:57:13
141 Liberal

In what sense is he "braver" than Salmond.

Both he and Salmond vehemently opposed the invasion in Iraq.

Salmond consistenty opposed the invasion.

Nicol Stephens, on the other hand, despite his party being against the invasion, continued, in Scotland, to support the party responsible for the invasion.

They could have sent a clear message regarding this opposition by refusing to co-operate with the Labour party in Scotland.

Instead, in a very brave and noble fashion he decided to put ministerial perquisites ahead of principles.
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 03/07/2008 08:58:25
Nicol Stephen was a decent family man trying to serve his party. We all ultimately have to decide on the crucial sacrifices we must make in life. To sacrific career for family is an honourable choice.
I understand and applaud his decision, and wish him well, even though I do not share his politics. I hope he continues to make his unique contribution on the Scottish political scene - the nation needs more people like him.
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brownlie,

03/07/2008 09:01:05
147 Jings

Please explain and prove Salmond's "hatred and racial tension".
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Iain green,

Haddington 03/07/2008 09:12:55
Highland Mighty, #1, etc...
A little drunk, perhaps?
Heh heh.
(related to JingsCrivvens by any chance?)

On the real issue, frankly I'm a bit unconcerned.
Despite what Liberal for Life says (real name starting with "M"?) he paid the price for failing to go into coalition with the SNP.
The Libs are 4th in Scotland, with no chance of holding power save as the coat tail hangers of a bigger, more popular party.
Also rans, I'm sorry to say.

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Senga Jean,

Scotland where the Lib/Dems are being found out! 03/07/2008 09:17:46
Nicol Steven at FMQ came over as a shallow point scorer with a Sixth form debating prize in view; not the betterment of the people. Like a RED TOP he tried to shoe horn the SNP into bed with Mugabe ignoring the fact that ALex Salmond.s letter to the leaders of all the non aligned nations had the noble purpose of reducing the threat of nuclear war. As for Nicol Steven's smell of sleaze I would say that was beyond belief in light of a certain by pass. Nicol was a nasty schoolboy in a country where adults struggle to solve the problems. Scotland is well rid.
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Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 03/07/2008 09:20:10
Why resign?
Bush G the Murkin Mistah P'ressedint gets by on holidays nearly half the calendar year, so why not friend Stephen? Has Stephen no ranch with brush to cut?
He could stay in the job at home with tele-conferencing and, for goodness sake ,can the Libs not have a whip round and buy him a mobile phone? One with soothing pictures of rushing waves would be nice.
But if I were he I really would consider the Bush option.. pays well too.
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Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 03/07/2008 09:20:10
Why resign?
Bush G the Murkin Mistah P'ressedint gets by on holidays nearly half the calendar year, so why not friend Stephen? Has Stephen no ranch with brush to cut?
He could stay in the job at home with tele-conferencing and, for goodness sake ,can the Libs not have a whip round and buy him a mobile phone? One with soothing pictures of rushing waves would be nice.
But if I were he I really would consider the Bush option.. pays well too.
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Steve,

Bo'ness 03/07/2008 09:23:46
147, racial tension? you're having a laugh, surely!
The only race Salmond cares about is the 12:00 at Ayr.

How typical of unionists to pull this one out of the hat when the chips are down.
While conveniently forgetting "British jobs for British people"etc. And detaining asylum seekers kids in prisons!!
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Delphinian,

Delphi 03/07/2008 09:29:26
#25

The GERS review concludes that Scotland would have a buget surplus if it received its fair (geographical) share of oil revenues. That position will have improved significantly with the increase in revenues caused by current oil prices.

That is what the position would be "if" Scotland got its fair share, but, of course, it doesn't.

How does this support your argument?
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Wynn,

CLYDESDALE 03/07/2008 09:31:51
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I doubt that my wee songs deserve an encore... but I suspect, going by the experience of others, that we may have a software intake problem at the publishing end.
One click and the hardwon typing disappears into IT limbo...two clicks and it gets posted twice... something funny going on...
All comment of a technical nature, gratefully received. I'm not likely to understand it , unless it is simply abusive.........
I click this once...

And while we're at it, congratulations to Hamish Macdonell and Emily Pykett who, unlike the big Bears in the Herald, suffer COMMENT. Good on'yer.
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Delphinian,

Delphi 03/07/2008 09:36:49
#131

You do realise that before a state can decide to enter a federation with other states, it must first have the independent capacity to make that decision.

The problem with the UK is that power flows down from the Queen in Parliament, not up from the people. Federation is not therefore possible in the UK at present.

An independent Scotland could choose to enter into a federal arrangement with other UK or European countries, and you will have the opportunity to argue for that following the comming independence if that's what you really want.
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Hamish Scott,

03/07/2008 09:40:09
So Mr. Stephen wants to spend more time with his family? Is this the same Nicol Stephen who seemed to take his family with him everywhere he went during the May election campaign? It seemed as if the whole family were standing for election.

More seriously, why have the leaders of the two parties that formed the previous administration suddenly resigned within days of each other and for unconvincing reasons? Is the proverbial about to hit the fan in some way?
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MisterN,

Scotland 03/07/2008 09:43:11
Lib Dems in disarray? Is there a way to distinguish this state from their usual state?

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Which can only be done of course from a position of full independence. Like you have noted the East end of Glasgow is in dire need of government help after 300 years of Union and 50 under Labour.
Very observant of you.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/07/2008 09:43:20
Looks like it is up to Golden Oldie to hold the Union together. The last Unionist Leader in Scotland.
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MisterN,

Scotland 03/07/2008 09:44:01
There is a scandal hidden in this resignation and I bet its to do with party funding or expenses.
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MisterN,

Scotland 03/07/2008 09:53:35
166

Still peddling your sh*te?

"That means we can do petty much as we wish."

Who is this we?

If "We" could do pretty much as "we" wish then why are we paying taxes?
why are some of "we" living in poverty?
Why are "we" at war when the vast majority of "we" are against it?

You are simply a f*cking idiot trying to put over a ridiculous personal fantasy as a viable political option and calling it a Federation when in fact all it is, is just remaining in the union without our national identity.
Why have you not dealt with the question of why Scotland shouldnt choose its own federal option from a position of Independence? a "TRUE" Federalist would be pushing for that option which enables Scotland to enter any Federation of its choice.
Now answer that question or admit your peddling nothing more than continuing within the union.
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Saul Tyre,

Germany 03/07/2008 09:54:39
I can hardly believe that Nichol Stephen is going. He'll be taking a large vacuum with him. There will be many a dry eye in Holyrood today.
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Jimmy the Pie,

03/07/2008 09:54:48
The Lib-dums were in disarray before he resigned.


Vote SNP.

The only party for ALL of Scotland.
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State ...... Coatbridge 03/07/2008 10:00:11
George Galloway said on his show that Alex Salmond was a "shark against minnows" in comparison to Wendy Bendy Toy and the rest of the opposition politicians up here..... come to think of it he was well ahead of a lot in Westminster.
I can hear Bobby Darin giving it Mack the knife.....When the shark bites !!!!!!

What's the odd's on Annabel staying the course ?
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Pook,

Dumfriesshire 03/07/2008 10:10:23
Whilst I do believe that Nicol has resigned for the reasons stated, it is clear he is not leadership material. He presided over a terrible result for the LibDems in 2007, has next to no public profile (in one survey only 9% of those questioned even knew who he was) and in the current political climate he felt to slog it out and inevitably fail would be too damaging to his family and party.

Having had dealing with him personally, I found him to be very dry, uninspiring and a bit rude. He had the political ambition but no talent to see it through. He was right to go. Just like labour at the moment though, there is no obvious successor. Tavish Scott - more of the same, Mike Rumles - could make life interesting, Jeremy Purvis - a complete non-starter.
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Jimmy the Pie,

03/07/2008 10:14:22
Does anyone know the best odds on the SNP winning the by-election???
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piehutt,

RoS 03/07/2008 10:16:24
Stephen has always struck me as a fairly level guy. Not particularly effective at what he does, but a safe pair of hands. Given the problems the Lib Dems have with getting their leader known by the voters, this does indeed pose them a serious problem with 2 general elections within 3 years due.

I think the references to him being good at FMQ's is really because the Labour party are so bad, that anyone would look half decent. Also, expectation levels of going up against Salmond are fairly limited.

Final point. Don't buy this whole thing of spending more time with his family. He only took the job 3 years ago (when he knew it came with a deputy FM role) and if Lib/Lab had held onto only one more seat he'd probably still be deputy FM. Surely as an opposition leader, his workload cannot be greater now?

There's some other reason or reasons for this resignation, that I'm sure will materialise in the next few months. He obviously wants to lesten the impact by resigning now. Good move politically.
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European Scot,

03/07/2008 10:17:33
166 Rulesbutnotrulers

" A federal UK solves so many problems that it must be tried before independence is seriously sought."

I've asked you this question before, but you didn't answer.
Will your Federal solution put Scotland in the United Nations, and at the EU ?
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salmond spray,

Livingston 03/07/2008 10:25:15
What difference would being in the UN make?
and what would stop Scotland being in the EU
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robbied,

echt 03/07/2008 10:27:47
Didn't Rumbles Matt leave Aberdeen for Edinburgh to do an important job for him?
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 03/07/2008 10:28:06
Power Hungry Politicians never resign for family or any other reason. Only to go into hiding before the real sleaze and scandal come out.

I wonder if it is a man or a woman ?

If he resigned then I assume we will be finding out pretty soon.
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tam dolan,

Dundee 03/07/2008 10:32:38
The real reason he resigned???

Gordy Broon picked up the phone to him last week and said, Nicol me old mate, thanks for yur help in the last Parliament. Sorry we lost and you had to give upo all the perks you were used to.

You may note that we are having a wee bit of a problem noo that Wendy has gone. We dinnae really hae anyone of good enough calibre to take over as Labour leader up there, so can you do mne a favour.

Step doon as Lib Dem leader and then next week, come on over to oor party. Then you can stand for oor leader in scotland and I will gie ye my full backing. That was when we win the election in a couple of years, you can take over as First Minister. I know yu would win the election for leader, after all, look who you would be up against. what do you say?
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Aqwes,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 10:34:31
#166

No, our parliaments aren't sovereign. That's the fundamental flaw in any devolution settlement. The only sovereign parliament in the UK is that at Westminster. The rest derive their powers from the Westminster parliament. They hold no sovereignty in and of themselves. If they did, then they wouldn't have to wrestly powers from Westminster, they could simply be taken back.
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Skyrat,

03/07/2008 10:42:52
Highland Mighty, you clown. You are a vile person who spouts nothing but Unionist propaganda. Why don't you just FRO?
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Delphinian,

Delphi 03/07/2008 10:46:33
#166

I'm afraid that you are wrong.

In the UK constitution, power flows down from the queen, not up from the people. The people of Scotland are not sovereign under the UK constitution.

You have not said how you expect this federation to come about, but I expect that what you mean is that the UK parliament will resolve that the constituent parts of the UK will have power over domestic matters with central government powers, like defence, put in the hands of a federal government.

The problem with that is that (a) it's never going to happen because the majority parties at Westminster don't support it, and (b) it isn't federalism anyway - it's simply an all-round devolution settlement. Sovereign power would stay at Westminster (the Queen in Parliament).

Scotland needs to become independent and reclaim sovereign power before there is the slightest possibility of what you're proposing actually happening.

That is reality.
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European Scot,

03/07/2008 10:49:25
180 salmond spray

If Scotland were an Independent Nation it would be entitled to be a member of the United Nations.
It would also be able to sit at the European table as a member country.
With a Federal arrangement, Scotland would remain as a Region, or State within a UK.
The only way to any kind of Federal arrangement, which would put Scotland at the United Nations, and the EU would be to arrange a federation of sorts, post Independence.
If you don't believe that Scotland being at the UN, with the other Nations of this World is important, then you clearly don't place any importance on Scotland re-establishing its credentials, and International connections, as a Nation on the World stage.
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MisterN,

Scotland 03/07/2008 10:51:09
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He has been told that at least a dozen times.
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:14:08
Nicol Stephen simply was not up to the job as leader. He reminded me abit of John Swinney in that he came across as a good minister but not leadership material.

In the leadership contents he won he was poor incomparison to Rumbles but for some reason the lib dems chose the less able candidate.

The lib dems really have to rejuvinate themselves as they are going nowhere. Parachuting Charles Kennedy in as leader would make sense as he is head and shoulders above the rest. Just depends on whether he can put his personal issues behind him.

The lib dems also need to find a voice as they have lost the edge they used to have when they had clear cut policies and had the ability to sell that message.

In some ways they have a good message to sell - more powers for scottish parliament but have failed to be clear about what they want what they stand for in this regard.

Part of their problem is Stephen's approach to the snp. the media kept telling us how close in policy terms the 2 parties were but the lib dems managed to avoid having a positive relationship with the snp. there refusal to have a referendum was silly and immature as it was not democratic and therefore the surrendered the moral high ground. It was also hypocritical for a party that believes in the use of referenda.

If the lib dems drift as they are they could get wiped out the next scottish eleciton.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2008 11:18:59
Nicol Stephen fatally damaged his reputation by his "sleaze" remark and failing to apologise when there was no sleaze to be found.

His failure to detect anything un-toward about Wendy's deeds merely confirmed that he is a Labour lackey.

Good riddance to a useless politician and hopefully his constituents will remember his shocking behaviour of the whole Trump affair!
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 11:22:01
#192, what a strange comment. Scotland isn't either a member of the Security council or of the UN General Assembly. Scotland isn't represented at the UN at all.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 03/07/2008 11:22:16
Hmmm...the second victim in a week.... Luckily the police are on the case though, they've just had a press conference about it.

tinyurl.com/6k7yr5

I swear I've seen the killer....
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Geoff,

sa 03/07/2008 11:25:28
200 for the Union
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Geoff,

sa 03/07/2008 11:26:01
200 for the Union
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Geoff,

sa 03/07/2008 11:26:35
200/
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:27:46
#Highland Mighty

The argument for scotland to be a member of the EU on its own right rather than have a union with the rest of the uk and then let the uk represent scotland interests is simply that the uk does not represent scotlands interests.

Firstly the uk is semi detatched in its relationship to the EU and hence does not have a positive influence that scotland can benefit from. A union with france or germany being the most powerful members of the eu would be a more powerful argument from the perspective of eu influence.

Secondly the uk is be the number of people english dominated. This means when it comes to important issues the uk working for the majority in the uk will be definition not be working for scotlands issues unless they happen to co-inside with englands.

We know that fishing was sold out by the uk government as it was not seen as being a priority issue for the uk. As such spain gets a much better fishing deal than scotland.

The third problem is if u look at where britain has fought for issues at a eu level and then look to see if they coinside with waht scotland would do u can see they could very easily be different.

Take the social chapter. The tories spent alot of political capital opting out. Labour inturn simply opted in when they were returned to power. That is completely stupid. Scotland rightly or wrongly would have simply adopted the social chapter as the politcal parties in scotland supported this.

The euro is another. Sterling interest rates are not in scotlands interest. The euro while not perfect is a better match and has been for the last 30yrs (DM etc interest rates before inception of euro). Scotland would be far better served being in the euro and not sterling but it is with sterling for political reasons and not scotlands economic interests.

The argument that the uk would have more influence than scoland is correct. However that is only beneficial if scotland interests are served. We can see clearly from the l
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:28:20
cont..

The argument that the uk would have more influence than scoland is correct. However that is only beneficial if scotland interests are served. We can see clearly from the last few decades it has not.
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Geoff,

sa 03/07/2008 11:29:41
Nice to beat meths to the double ton!Why do they always say a Party is in"dissarray" when the Leader quits. He gave good reasons and there are some able succesors in the wings.
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:29:55
#195 connaughtboy

Agree with u. It made him look petty and labours poodle. By not standing against sleaze u are implicitly supporting it.
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Geoff,

sa 03/07/2008 11:31:33
Late News Flash!!!-Alex salmond defects to the Tories!!!!! :)
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Jings Crivens,

03/07/2008 11:38:13
149 roughrider


Is it pathetic to speak the truth an independent Scotland would never build this type of ship with the orders going to English or N Ireland yards.

An independent Scotland could just about afford to build a couple of rowing boats, it would also be cut off from the larger Englsih markets.
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:40:58
#Geoff

I agree it is a silly headline to say the lib dems are in disarray because of Stephen quitting.

However i do think it will be difficult to turn the lib dems round. i could see them being squeezed serverly and possibly wiped out.

It is difficult to see why anyone would vote lib dem based on where they are at at the moment. They have a nobody uk leader. They will be squeezed by the 2 main parties at the next general election.

And at the next scottish election it will be a straight fight between labour and the snp. The tories may hold on but the lib dems could go the way of the ssp. Voting for the lib dems at the next sp election means on current form, if the snp win the lib dems will be in opposition and going nowhere and not influencing the agenda like the tories have managed to do. Or if labour somehow manage to win having a coalition with labour again. If u want that just vote labour.

As a party they have lost the clear policies they want and would demand to be returned to office. The only area that may vote lib dems is the borders due to the border rail link that the lib dems forced on labour.

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Jings Crivens,

03/07/2008 11:42:06
154 brownie

Salmond has deliberately had a anti- British and Anti-English campaign long before he came to power. Everything is the fault of Westminster or the English dominated Labour/Lib parties. This is also typical of the talk coming from the SNP supporters and is typical of raising tensions between both communities.

Its also quite funny that after making no impact at Westmister he couldn't wait to get back to Scotland. Still better a big fish in a little pool than a little fish in a big pool.
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Jings Crivens,

03/07/2008 11:44:42
156 Iain green,Haddington

He isn't but I wish he was, for even if he was drunk if he/she wrote the comment its still the truth and makes more sense than most of the twaddle that usually appears on these posts
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/07/2008 11:45:39
#198 # 199

"200 for the Union"

Whats that, your prediction on the Referendum Results.

Given the current dearth of leadership talent that seems to be available perhaps the Scottish branches of the Tories, Labour and Libdems should consider forming a merged single unionist party.

Given that Labour have no money, that the Liberals have no clue and the Tories have reputation that makes them as popular as Robert Mugabe at a Zimbabwean White Farmers Convention, they should consider merging as a last chance to save their precious union.

The could come up with a new name that escapes all their political baggage: The Scottish Dependance Party.
or The United Union of Unionists.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 03/07/2008 11:46:16
"Mr Stephen...surprised many with the way he has scored points at First Minister's Questions, consistently getting the better of Mr Salmond..."

Umm, no, I must have missed that one!
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:48:12
#Jings Crivens

Given this is the first time the snp are in power who would u blame for scotland poor economic performance under the tories and then labour.

If u believe that scotland should be joining the small european countries known as the arc of prosperity and instead that we have performed poorly squandering oil etc who would u blame.

u either take the view that scotland is useless and cannot be expected to do aswell as some of the other small countries or u make those that have run scotland while we have underperformed responsible.

The problem with the union, is if it not part of the solution it is part of the problem.

"Salmond has deliberately had a anti- British and Anti-English campaign long before he came to power. "

Would have to say "Anti-English" is untrue. There is complete difference between being anti english and pro scottish. The point about independence that u seem to miss is it is about scotland and how well scotland is governed.
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:50:00
#Jings Crivens

Why are so many small western eu countries richer gpd per capita than the uk. Why are they also richer than the other big european countries?
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 11:51:23
qualification to #222: richer gpd per capita (ppp)
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inkster,

03/07/2008 12:10:25
#219 Kampung How about:

The Unionist Axis of Evil
The Unholy Unionist Alliance
The Reactionary & Unionist Party
The Jobsworth Alliance (Unionist)
The Great unthinking Party
Elizabeth Empress & Unionist Party
The English Colonialist Party
The Swinging Handbag & Unionist Party
The Sycophantic Nepotism Patronage & Unionist Party
The Old Fettes & Etonian Party
The Evil and False grinning & Traitor Party
The Berkley Nightingale and Annabel Conservative & Unionist Party

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David Chapman,

Aberdeen 03/07/2008 12:14:12
I'm amazed Nicol Stephen made it as far as he did. He holds the dubious distinction of having the shortest term served as an MP before being defeated in an election - six weeks. His popularity knows no bounds.

I know I've only been voting Lib Dem because the alternatives are the Tories (scum), Labour (Tory scum) and the SNP (scum with no connection to reality). When they shacked up with Labour, I was worried that I might have to vote Tory just to get the lesser of four evils. I reckon a great many people round here think the same way.
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Micropacer,

03/07/2008 12:19:26
The Great paradox of the Independence debate.

Most Pro-independence seem to want to be Part of the European Union.

Pray tell what the point of having Brussels still in charge taking our cash instead of Westminster?

It seems people just want to be run by anyone other than Westminster. There is no common sense argument for ditching one to take the other.

Norway have the right idea. If we are to be Independent it has to be Independent. Utterly pointless having Brussels run us and consindering the mess the EU is in makes even more stupid.
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inkster,

03/07/2008 12:20:36
David Chapman(Nihilist Party)

'I reckon a lot of people round here think the same way'

No.
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brownlie,

03/07/2008 12:25:35
214 Jings

Wee tip for you, my friend, brain first, fingers later.

Standing up for Scotland is not
anti-English or anti-British or racist.

Pointing out where the successive unionist Lab/Tory governments have let Scotland down and fighting UK Labour for funding that would have been forth-coming if Wendy and co had been the Scottish Government is not in any way racist.

I have never known Salmond to make a speech specifying hatred of the English and he would lose a great many supporters if he did.

The fact that the SNP seek out and welcome nationalities other than Scots makes a nonsense out of your contention.

To content that Salmond make no impact at Westminster is too laughable to be worthy of comment.

Apart from Kennedy it is difficult to think of any Lib Dems who made any impression either at Westminster or Holyrood - their lack of electoral support speaks for itself.
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subrosa,

03/07/2008 12:27:08
It never ceases to amaze me the biased reporting in our Scottish papers. Now it's Nicol Stephen who was the only person to come with Mr Salmon at FMQs. Aye right!

I despair at all the rubbish written by these unionist journalists.

Scotland would be a much healthier place if the media would be fair and unbiased in their reporting. Then again, no unionist wants 'healthy' because that would reduce our dependency on their lords and masters.

I just can't understand why the urgency for Nicol Stephen's resignation. It's common knowledge he had his family in Edinburgh for the past year so it's rubbish he's been travelling. Isn't he one of the MSPs who bought a bigger house for them in Edinburgh then rented out the smaller pad he had? Didn't the taxpayers have to cough up? Do hope the powers that be at the Scottish Parliament ensure he now sells the big pad and the profit is put back to the public purse.
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Alan B,

03/07/2008 12:31:26
#Highland Mighty

U obviously know little about economics or monetary policy.

Scotland has performed worse than so many of the other small european countries and the uk as a whole. The small european countries have a higher gpd per capital ppp that the uk. why? Why have they also a higher gdp per capital ppp than the other big european countries.

In relation to the euro. A couple of points
1)the lib dems support it
2)labour in scotland supports it. Jack McConnell
3)Blair supported it. (only brown and the anti eu feeling in much of the london media and in the country at large prevented blair from signing the uk up).
4)only the discredited tories were against the euro and that is for polical reasons. The most sensible of the tories Clarke and Heseltine etc were all pro euro).

I can understand why the euro would cause difficulties for the south of england. It has a much higher growth rate and much more inflationary pressures. The south of england needs higher interest rates than the euro and also the north of britain.

That was shown in the governor eddie georges remarks about unemployment in the north a price worth paying to control inflation in the south.

One other point if u beleive the euro is bad becuase scotland has different growth patterns to the euro area and also different inflationary pressures, given that sterling is far worse in that regard u by ur own logic are arguing for a seperate scottish currency.

In regard to scotland the situation is different. the options are:

scottish currency-interest rates best for scotland. however we would suffer currency fluxations with both the euro and sterling areas.

sterling- the high interest rates suffocate scotlands economic growth rate. we also suffer from currency fluxations with the massive euro area.

euro- interest rates are much more inline with scotlands economic needs than sterling. there is no point in denying that. it is quite simple. if the economy grows slowly u drop interes
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euro- interest rates are much more inline with scotlands economic needs than sterling. there is no point in denying that. it is quite simple. if the economy grows slowly u drop interest rates. if it is growing too fast for the economic production potential of the economy u raise them.

by any test interest rates in sterling have been too high for the scottish economy over a period of time. The euro have mainly been lower. As such it would be better for scotland to attach ourselves to an interest rate much more inline with our needs.

One question u always refuse to answer:
Would u support an independent economic assessment by economists into the effect on the scottish economy of joining the euro. ie we put politics aside and decide the issue on economic terms.
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AJ Fife,

03/07/2008 12:36:53
It's good to see the opposition disappear like 'snaw aff a dyke'!

Mr Salmond is certainly clocking up a healthy amount of 'kills'!! :)
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03/07/2008 12:39:58
#Highland Mighty

"Saying that, Alan B, do you work in the SNP Economic Policy office?"

No, i just have an interest in economics (studied it abit as part of a degree a long time ago) and is one of the key drivers that lead me to support independence.


My argument for scottish oil has little to do with oil but the failure of scotland economically for most of my life both absolutely and relatively compared to so many other eu countries.

U suppport the union fair enough. But surely u cannot be so blinded to see scotlands economy is under performing. The big question for the unionist parties is to come up with a solution for scotlands poor economic performance within the union.

They simply have not. Thatcherism did not work for scotland. And brown has done nothing to deal with the north south divide.

Do u honestly think any westmisnter party will try to address scotlands economic difficulties?
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03/07/2008 12:43:45
233 Highland Mighty

Please stop trying to discredit our noble and glorious unionist cause by posting gibberish and nonsense.

We know that you are a nat agent provocateur who comes on here in an attempt to make the rest of us unionist look swivel-eyed, mean and nasty.
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03/07/2008 12:44:14
sorry should have said

"My argument for scottish independence has little to do with oil"
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03/07/2008 13:21:08
H & M - can I ask you a simple question, do you have a real job or are you paid to post in these comments boards, are you 1 person or a conglomerate. The reason that I ask is that you seem to be on these boards all the time and be able come up with statements figures etc that someone like myself who logs in to read whats going on wouldn't have time to do
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So Nicol Stephen resigns because the job puts too much pressure on him meaning he can't spend time with his family. What pressure? He's leader of an irrelevant political party and doesn't need to do much except cash a big cheque and smile occasionally for the TV cameras.
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JoeMiddleton,

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Apparently if Mike Rumbles gets in the Lib Dems will revisit their opposition to a referendum and give their own members a vote on it.

Given that their vote has fallen like a brick since they adopted this Anti-Scottish stance, that's probably a smart idea.
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Busymale,

03/07/2008 13:32:15
Highland Mighty is a propogandist who needs to find himself a job. This is a forum for expression, not a tool for the Unionists to combat sentiments that don't suit them.

I reckon if he has a job at all he works for the Scotsman or is Fat boy George Foulkes from the databased obsessed Labour Party.
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The Tin Man,

03/07/2008 13:37:11
#245

I only got as far as your swear-word - you really should try to do without the naughty-words. Bad boy!
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 13:41:38
1. Give salmond enough rope,his time is coming,and sooner than he thinks.
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sa 03/07/2008 13:48:20
208 Ayrshire Scot and 213 Alan B. Good Day gentlemen!

The LibDems are an enigma. They SHOULD do better in Scotland-when you think about it, the Independence issue apart, their policies are close to those of the SNP so I would have thought that disillusioned NuLab voters who remain Unionist at heart would have switched to the LibDems. They need a Charlie Kennedy.
219Kampung Highlander-notwithstanding the current buoyancy of the SNP and the malaise that afflicts the opposition in Scotland-Labour in particular, I do not think that the Yes vote would win a referendum at this time. I still believe that a significant segment of SNP support derives from satisfaction with their fresh faced and competent first year in government combined with a Labour Party in meltdown. Granted that not all NuLab supporters are necessarily Unionist but the same applies to SNP supporters vis a vis independence-some of this support is bound to be protest and local vote
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That's the problem with the Lib Dems, they have practically no women at all... so where are the female challengers for leader? .... just a sea of suits. Where are there family friendly internal policies, fewer meetings in the pub in the evenings etc? They've talked about being more women friendly for years... I mean 25 years .....they do nothing.
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219 Kampung Highlander-your suggestion of a combined UnionistFront is not so far fetched a possibility altho I would probably not go along with your Scottish Dependence Party idea:) nice though the suggestion is! If the LibDems-Labour parties got their acts and structures together it would certainly pay them to cooperate in seats where their participation as rivals would split the Unionist vote-Glasgow East comes to mind! A pact with the Tories may be a bridge too far for historical reasons even though as i have said before, the reality is that there is little difference betwen them policy wise. Who could have foreseen in Harold wilsons era, a Labour Party waving the UJ and ordering two of the worlds (and UKs) biggest ever warships!!
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 14:02:45
256. You wish, Salmond can't even keep to his manifesto promises,and swinney can't add up.
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03/07/2008 14:08:39
256. SNP breaks promise on student debt. Students in Scotland have expressed dismay after the SNP shelved plans to scrap student debt. and that is only a part of salmonds lies.
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03/07/2008 14:10:28
256.From "The Journal" Alastair Sloan, Sarah Clark
19 November 2007
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251 Elizabeth the First-all parties and their leaders inevitably fall out with the electorate. I think that notwithstanding some mistakes Salmond and the SNP have performed well-the proof of the pudding is that they are riding high in the polls! As Unionists this is a reality that we must face and find ways to deal with it.
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I vote for the SNP,

03/07/2008 14:26:24
My analysis post fingering sais that if Malcy Mcdoonhannigan gets a 40/60 splite vote with the Lieboral/Liebour coalition flip flop deal theb, with an option of bringing in one rogues Green Party vote then post-fingering this brings independence one step closer.
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03/07/2008 14:32:02
262. This kimba character must be good,but i am not kimba,and i agree english dems are rubbish,as are the snp,we need to stand together,i have voted tory for 34 years and believe David Cameron will unite our country.
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 14:34:43
276. The best form of flattery is to copy someone,you are obviously devoid of any original ideas,as my son would say,"get a life"
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03/07/2008 14:35:33
And 280.
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And 283
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 14:37:22
Fakey me,do you feel threatened,Good!
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278 Peter-I dont like Ken Clarkes half baked proposals to address the question of English votes but it has nothing to do with floating the end of Union. If anything, an English Assembly will strenghten the Union by removing justifiable English resentment at Labours devolution cockup that left England as the only Home Nation without its own House!
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03/07/2008 14:38:51
Methalions. At your age you should know better!
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I vote for the SNP,

03/07/2008 14:45:41
OH GOD PLEASE LET ME GET 300
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I vote for the SNP,

03/07/2008 14:45:52
YESSSS!!!
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 14:54:31
my goodness,this kimba character must be good, you are so threatened by him/her, you have to denounce anyone whom you deem to have a similar opinion.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 14:55:37
Most comical statement of the day goes to : elizabeth the first ,03/07/2008 14:32:02
262. This kimba character must be good,but i am not kimba,and i agree english dems are rubbish,as are the snp,we need to stand together,i have voted tory for 34 years and believe David Cameron will unite our country.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 14:58:30
"Lib Dems in disarray as leader Stephen quits" - errrrrr... they were in disarray when he was leader......


"elizabeth the first" - you full of wise cracks. The Cameron uniting the country comment was class.
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 15:01:13
To my fakey. copy me all you like, it just goes to show that i have rattled your cage,there is nothing so good as to have had an impact on someone, as i have previously stated," imitation is the best form of flattery".
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Talorthane,

03/07/2008 15:01:17
#295 I vote for the SNP

I so wish I hadn't read that.
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I vote for the SNP.,

03/07/2008 15:03:13
To my fakey. copy me all you like, it just goes to show that i have rattled your cage,there is nothing so good as to have had an impact on someone, as i have previously stated," imitation is the best form of flattery".
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I vote for the SNP.,

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03/07/2008 15:04:20
314. I take it from your post you do not want to be united, i'm sorry to say you may have no choice,as the majority of scots still support the union.
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I vote for the SNP,

03/07/2008 15:05:19
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LOL

I am cracking me up.
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I vote for the SNP.,

03/07/2008 15:06:23
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LOL

I am cracking me up.












lol
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

03/07/2008 15:28:06
Oh god it's the return of Mad Janice
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wattie>x 1,

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Would we wake up to a WONDERFUL WORLD for the human race tomorrow; if all the sleazy, lying,corrupt politicians, lawyers, solicitors, bent journalists and all the faux pas celebrities decide to do mother earth a favour and disappear overnight; maybe go to HEAVEN or, maybe Hell: Who would honestly miss them? Their relatives may do so? But; would those who produce all our needs and comforts to make our short stay on planet Earth worthwhile? I doubt it!
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Barcelona. 03/07/2008 15:48:54
The Lib Dems were just a joke!

What is the point in voting for them when they sided with Labour and helped them with their Thatcherite policies?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 03/07/2008 16:06:41
The Labour posters here attacking the SNP for not keeping its manifesto promises, ho ho ho.

That would be the same Labour party that promised us a referendum on the EU constitution but simply lied to us, would it?
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Geomac 1,

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Poor diddums! What a hard life it must be being a politician!! if only any of them were any use!! What other worker group must also have family issues - offshore workers, policemen etc - but they can't opt out but still get their MSP salary.Can anyone please remind exactly what Lib Dems are for anyway? Why all the fuss??
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pehman,

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Do I smell another BY-ELECTION ?
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elizabeth the first ,

03/07/2008 17:15:11
336. AU CONTRAIR,at the last yougov poll over 48% supported the union,me thinks it's you who needs to get your facts straight.
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Talorthane,

03/07/2008 17:36:05
"342 Highland Mighty...,03/07/2008 17:21:32
And in a series of Yes/No polls over past years:

YouGov Apr 08…For: 25% - Against 59%
YouGov Jan 08…For: 27% - Against: 57%
YouGov Apr 07…For: 25% - Against: 53%
YouGov Mar 07..For: 28% - Against: 51%
YouGov Nov 06..For: 31% - Against: 50%
ICM Oct 06……..For: 39% - Against: 51%

Anyone see a pattern?"


Are you the artist formerly known as AM2?
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344 Ayrshire

Beyond being a statistical expert are you also well clued up on international law and that?
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