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Published Date: 04 August 2009
HARRIET Harman yesterday appeared to suggest that having too many male bankers may be to blame for the depth of the credit crunch and global economic downturn.
Following her claims that Labour will never have an all-male leadership again, Ms Harman has gone on the offensive over a lack of women in senior positions in banks and financial institutions.

When asked in a television interview whether the fina
ncial crisis would have arisen if more women had been in senior positions, Ms Harman said: "Somebody did say that if it had been 'Lehman Sisters' rather than Lehman Brothers then there may not have been as much," referring to the US bank whose collapse sparked the turmoil. But she quickly added: "I have to say it was not me that said that."

However, she then said: "Women make up half the workforce of insurance companies and banks. Why shouldn't they have a say on boards as well?"

Her comments drew a terse response from former deputy prime minister John Prescott, who demanded that she "stop complaining".

"Why take away from the party the right to choose its leaders on the basis of ability?" he wrote on his blog.

But Ms Harman – who has been dubbed "Harriet Harperson" for her forthright views on equality – last night refused to back down.

"I basically said you get better decision-making in a team if it's a balanced team with women and men working alongside each other," she said.

And she went on: "When I was first in politics, issues like wanting to have longer maternity leave for women; wanting to be able to work flexibly; making sure that part-time workers, who are mostly women, weren't treated as second-class citizens – those sort of issues didn't get a look-in in politics, when politics was overwhelmingly men."





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  • Last Updated: 03 August 2009 11:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

helend498,

UK 04/08/2009 00:34:01
From a woman to a woman - so-called nannies like Harriet have wrecked our country.

Women can always get top jobs if they are up to the job.

I, as a woman, would hate to feel that I was in a top job just because others were not allowed to apply for it. No wonder our country is in the state that it is in.

The best for the job should always be the one appointed. Otherwise we end up with meddling nannies and the stupid laws as we have now, just because they have to leave their mark.

There have been many successful women in the world - it doesn't need false appointments for a woman to make it if she really wants to.

People like Nanny Harriet are a disgrace to the female gender
2

Fletty73,

Stirling 04/08/2009 00:52:31
Remember 'The State Police' women from "The Worm That Turned" ?

Don't fancy seeing Harriet in those leather shorts.
3

Me Thinks,

Brighton 04/08/2009 00:56:56
If, ms Harman is so into equality, then how about she help elect a few prostitutes to parliament? Why, not surely if we are to be an enlightened society, we should have to include all, to lend a hand at the helm.
Ms, Harman, you are a disgrace to mankind.
4

Cynicus Unbound,

04/08/2009 01:34:18
Harriet is misunderstood. These remarks should be seen in context.

She has 4/5 days in the limelight covering for Macavity. She makes the most of them by setting out her stall to succeed Macavity when he resigns next summer -or is overthrown this October.

"Vote for me -because I'm a woman" was enough to win the deputy -leadership odf the Labour Party when coupled with a disownoing of her support for Blair's War. She must be pissed off at Miliband and Johnson being discussed as the only potential successors to Macavity.

Now there is this nonsense about Mandy Foy disclaiming his "Foy" peerage and standing for the leadership. Her remarks on Sunday to Stephanie Flanders ("Welcome, Harriet..." -showing that Kirsty Wark is not the only one too close to senior New Labour politicians)are easily decoded. "Women and men" should lead Labour in partnership signals her toleration of the prospect of Johnsom or Miliband as her deputy.

Mandy? That would mean a woman/gay "nightmare ticket" and would court disaster wuth Old Labour's core vote and would even alienate some Guardian readers.
5

Edward,

04/08/2009 01:59:01
Haradon Harmen going for some self publicity
the dying days of the Labour reich indeed.
Its everyones fault except for Harriet
she is obviously trying for the women vote, unfortunately for her Women are not that daft and can see through her. She is finished as is Labour
6

Henderson Malkara1,

Manchester (Between London and Glasgow) 04/08/2009 02:32:01
I remember in my younger days working for HMIT and within the shallowed halls of the Civil Service was what Chariot Harperson would have called a male chauvenist pig, as the man to be known only as Stanley, used to get irrate at the feminists that he loved to have a go at - he was a true and honest man and Stanley spoke as he thought, much to the despair of the twenty three stone tax persons that worked there that were going to their daily airobics - yes they could eat twenty Mars bars a day and then play pretend for twenty minutes of their lunch break on a prayer mat, sorry I mean airobics mat, and then go and celebrate all they had not done by going for a full greasy Italian lasagne made by I think non-Italians.

Now when I look at Harperson I can see those same body designs and her leaning towards total out of control Sumo wrestling style bodyshape - by those same people that would take your child off you for being fat and out of shape - just show me a female Civil Servant come Politician that is not under twenty stone after fifteen years of politically correct overeating!

Now Stanley he used to say the following:

"We gave woman the vote and are losing the Country, as they look not at the policies and inner content of the party, but at the gloss, the make-up and the vanity" "and if a male glamour puss is on the television, as a doctor come politician then they will go overboard and want to vote it into power!" "We lost the Empire through soft-women and we will in twenty years lose the Country through the same soft-headed policies, as to run a Country you have to be hard and honest - not soft headed and in comlpicity to backstab the men that make the decisions as that was how Rome was lost, through ineptness and backstabbing.

Twenty five years has gone and do you know I think that old man at the HMIT was correct in every point even though he shot me down for looking through drink at the length of a shortened skirt at the office Xmas party. He was a man
7

donald,

glasgow 04/08/2009 04:37:21
Maddox is back. Why isn't he baling David Kerr for this meltdown?

Reminder:-
The Queen's a wumman. So is Maggie Thatcher, Maggie Cameron, Wendy Alexander, Helen Liddell, Mayer Golding and Mrs Ghandi
8

RampentLion,

04/08/2009 05:54:02
Unbelieveable is she seriously implying that woman are more careful with money?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Thats a wee cracker.
9

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 04/08/2009 07:40:47
Hmm, that kinda contradicts the fact regarding the level of personal debt V income between the sexes.

That is, wimmin are in way more debt because they have the shop till you drop attitude. I'd rather not see that attitdue in the board room thank you very much Harperson.
10

Jings MacCrivvens,

04/08/2009 08:16:13
Methinks Harridan Harperson has totally flipped!

If she really believes in female superiority she should form her own British Labour Amazons Party and campaign campaign for it as such.

But soft, there appears to have been NO dissent in the mainstream Liebore Party for her views, so its members must agree with her!
11

Stevie G,

Paisley 04/08/2009 08:38:40
She may have a point more capable women in power would counter act the bullish machismo of men. Rather than being sexist the posters should look at what she actually said rather then just read the headline and react.

However then again look what Thatcher did for the economy but I think she was a pseudo–man.
12

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 04/08/2009 09:19:45
So if it was all girls together then there would be a lot more co-operation and less of the testosterone-fuelled nasty competition stuff going on?

Except in any organisation where I have worked and women are in charge in certain areas it can go red in tooth and claw, especially if you don't happen to be one of the manageress' mates. The bitching and nastiness can get to legendary proportions! Scale this up with billions at stake and it could go much more pear shaped. Anyway I'm sure many women have contributed to the recession and is she saying she had nothing to do with it? But she supports the arch-fiend of gleeful overspending himself, so is truly complicit in wrecking the country.

Trad Labour types will be overjoyed to vote for Harperson or the other big girl's blouse.
13

RampentLion,

04/08/2009 09:39:46
Give a woman a credit card and stand way back to avoid the slip stream as she heads at the speed of light for the nearest boutique.

Harman youre an idiot.
14

Number 6,

Germany 04/08/2009 09:39:52
This woman is a definite danger. What a complete and utter fool. She has put women in politics back to pre thatcher days.

Remarkable to suggest that at least one of the 2 top jobs should be reserved for female politicians.

Once again Labour show they are not concerned with talent, ability, probity etc etc etc. Just pure pathetic student politics which have brought us the likes of this idiot and the rest of her imbecile party.

Rollon the GE when the English electorate can consign these fools to the political dustbin.
15

RampentLion,

04/08/2009 09:43:55
Why cant we comment on the two anti UK government stories "Independent inquiry call on torture claims"
and Lyebours lack of moral compass?
The censorship from this pathetic government controlled rag is abysmal.
16

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 10:29:53
#1. helend498

Well said. She is indeed a disgrace to her gender. She is the biggest sexist going. The only thing she ever gets involved in is womens' issues, disgraceful for somebody who is supposed to be Minister for Equality. What a joke. Sho ought to expend some energy on tackling the inequalities in other areas of society - like why are there three times as many males unemployed compared to females. Why is the employment rate in local government so skewed towards females (60% to 40% typically)? Why are there virtually no male school teachers, especially in a society where loads and loads of young lads have no father and no father figure in their lives. Why is there a huge chunk of young male society hinging about street corners with nothing to do - is this the result of any of the above factors?

You would think a so called Minister for Equality would be doing something about this. However, Harriet only fights the female corner.
17

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/08/2009 10:30:50
Surely 'boot time Harriet changed her surname to 'Harperson' ?
18

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 04/08/2009 10:45:33
Harriet Harman uses and abuses the female victim ticket because, frankly she has nothing else to offer.

She is completely devoid of any talent, wit, charm or grace.

Mind you - that didn't stop Gordon Brown becoming PM.
19

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 10:45:36
#15. Coz they wouldn't like the responses.
20

Herry Oaksters,

04/08/2009 10:45:41
Harman is just another useless labour troiugh swiller,
she is on the way out and she knows it.

http://tinyurl.com/nl8ecv
21

Obanite,

04/08/2009 10:53:53
What a stupid woman, but then, she wouldn't understand anyway! :)
22

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/08/2009 10:57:20
6..."We gave women the vote"...such generosity...such graciousness...such bull§hit and misogyny..haul yourself into the 21st century mate...women fought for the right to vote...women supported Britain through the war at home, working in factories and doing the jobs their husbands, fathers and sons had previously held..Suffragettes who had previously campaigned and demonstrated for their rights shelved all of their demands and went to work to support Britain..in all areas...clerical workers, gravediggers, plumbers, chimney sweeps, landworkers. Over 700 000 women worked in munitions (filling shells etc), engineering and ship-building..in the coal industry etc..many became nurses to attend to the wounded men who were being shipped back to Britain..at the end of the war most women lost their (poorer paid)jobs to to an agreement with the trade unions...As British citizens women, like men, have the right to vote...they work, they pay tax..the are also employers who help sustain the economy..etc etc...

Your brief analysis (as agreed with "Stanley")of how women use their vote is rather parochial and paternalistic..I suggest you look a bit deeper at why people, in general, vote for particular politicians and parties..you'll find that some do so out of belief, some out of habit, others because they follow the herd and many because they are rather dim and easily misled....this of course applies to both men and women...

You of course, are not so shallow minded that appearances matter in the realm of politics..I am sure that you are a man who can see beyond the exterior of a human being and appeciate their qualities and skills rather than labouring over what you would see as defects and unattractiveness?..I'm sure you'll agree that it merely deflects from the material to focus on the immaterial and makes you look just a tad hypocritical when you repeat an oft muttered misogynist yarn about women voting for men because of their appearance?

Judging by the somewhat mature
23

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/08/2009 10:58:19
22..Contd...and 'old-fashioned' tone of your comments I take it that you are referring to Stanley Baldwin...
24

EsterRancid,

glasgow 04/08/2009 11:03:09
I doubt if Harperson is even aware that 40% of the Lehman Brothers staff were female.
Didn't that 'Superwoman' Nicola Horlick talk up Maddoff Investments in the US and encourage her investers to put their money into it.
And when it turned out to be a Ponzi scheme and she lost £13m of her clients money it was all somebody elses fault ?
Seems to be a pattern here.
25

Ggordon,

04/08/2009 11:38:41


Might be a good idea to have elected leaders who live in the real world, not career politicans
26

Shaken,

04/08/2009 11:39:14
One Question realting to the article regarding maternity leave.

If the CEO of Lehmans, Northern Rock or one of the other doomed instituions were female and pregnant could they just up and leave the company and stakeholders?

It is the foremost reason that large companies tend to select men for positions over women if experience and ability on paper are the same.

I mean if you owned a company and had to pay someone a salary of £500k pa you'd prefer them to be there and actually work instead of having to find a seconded replacement for the 6-9 months that they are off. Taking out the equation business continuity, corporate structure etc just simply being available to work is a real plus when our appointing someone in a pivotal role.

27

Itchy,

04/08/2009 12:43:55
"HARRIET Harman yesterday appeared to suggest that having too many male bankers"

What counts is not that the bankers were male but that the bankers were RUBBISH at banking.

It is quality that counts, not gender.

It was also the Labour government who relentlessly and greedily raised taxes for years, strangled the economy with regulation, recklessly plunged Britain into debt and held interest rates down too low for years, leading to boom and bust. But then Mrs Harperson ignores that.
28

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04/08/2009 13:08:57
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29

Sgian Achlais,

04/08/2009 13:18:50
Men and Women are different.

We are really good at some things and Women are really good at others.

That Cow Harperson is no good at anything.

On a more sexist note I would like to point out that the original work place for the hunter gatherer was very dangerous. Who do you think decided that the men should all go out into the wild to catch dinner while the women stayed in the cave beside the fire.

In fact it was not until the invention of telephones in the centrally heated office that the demand to work started. I do not recall the demands to get equality down the mines.

LOL. I am seriously joking.
30

Eve,

Scotland 04/08/2009 13:20:49
"But Ms Harman – who has been dubbed "Harriet Harperson" for her forthright views on equality – last night refused to back down"

That no equality that Harriet talks about, it's positive discrimination or biasm.

Where as in an ideal world there would be equal number of men and women doing the sames jobs and making the same amount of money.

It's no always possible, I'd rather that a proffsion was over ran by males or females if it ment that we had the best people for the job.

Rather than picking people at radom because they fit in to certain boxes, without thinking if they are right for the post. And ignoring other aplicepts who are ideal for the post because they are to similar (i.e. fit in to the same boxes)to the people who are already empolyeed there.

Equailty is about giving people equail opertunities, to learn, recive support and to find employment, it's no about being given somthing (like a job) because you fit a certain discription.

Yes the people who where in thoes jobs where to blame for some of the current problems we face. BUT it wasnae a gender flaw. The flaw was that they didnae have adquite experence and knollege to avoid the recession symptoms.
31

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 04/08/2009 13:30:10
And where is this Cow Harperson with regards the female dominated industries of the NHS, primary school teaching, care in the community etc?

I'll tell you, nowhere. She's a coward.

Women really are the weaker sex. Why? Because they need all these extra laws and legislation to protect them from themselves and others.
32

AJ Fife,

04/08/2009 13:32:29
Surely it was Mrs Thatcher who sowed the seeds of the current crisis and Antonia Blair, backed by 'Mrs Doubtfire' Broon, provided the final disasterous legislation.

So you see, the whole mess was caused by women!
33

Ggordon,

04/08/2009 13:33:04


Most women or men would not want to be deputy or leader of a party whose policies have result in the deaths of millions of innocent people.

Most women or men would not want to be deputy or leader of a party whose policies have causes inequality, poverty and hardship to the very people who that had a duty to protect.

Most women or men would not blatantly use a situation, which has brought hardship to many, to cynically self- promote.

Most women or men with any gumpion would want to be a self- serving politian never mind accept the (poison chalice) leadership of a corrupt, redundant political party

34

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 04/08/2009 13:34:37
For every man doing wrong in the eyes of a woman, there is a woman that gave birth and raised that man.

How far do you wanna go?
35

Ggordon,

04/08/2009 13:36:56


TSB led by Susan Rice no problems

Clydesdale Bank high up woman executive no problems
36

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 04/08/2009 13:39:22
UK lead by Thatcher for a decade, major problems.
37

C0H,

04/08/2009 13:44:33
Caused by the nats, more like!
38

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 04/08/2009 14:11:58
38

You silly boy!
39

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 14:37:32
#36. The TSB was swallowed up by Lloyds. Big problems at the time I would think.

Clydesdale had major problems too not that long ago. I seem to remember it closing many branches so it could remain in the black. Big problems at the time I would also think.

40

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 14:49:54
#32. Andrew

"Women really are the weaker sex. Why? Because they need all these extra laws and legislation to protect them from themselves and others."

They are also not daft. Notice how Harperson and her ilk are never heard bleating about inequality amongst 'professions' such as airplane pilots, racing drivers, fishermen, construction workers, bin collectors, heavy engineering, road building & maintenance, house construction, car mechanics, mining etc etc etc - i.e. the thousands of important and necessary jobs that are obviously too dangerous or mucky. It's always the cushey indoor jobs they seek job equality for.
41

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 14:51:01
Mind you - don't think racing driving is an important or necessary job mind :o)
42

hoblar,

04/08/2009 15:57:30
Sounds like the Hootsmon is 'grooming' Harman, giving her two useless articles that are about as vacuous a piece of political commentary as one could hope for.
43

Richard Lionheart,

04/08/2009 17:17:23
Just goes to show you that labour is so devoid of talent that Harriet Harperson is unaware of the economic cycle.

So there we have it.

The climate changes because people are alive and men cause recession!
44

George Mackay,

Dundee 04/08/2009 17:39:29
Ever since Labour came in 1997 with all those wimmin, we've had endless wars with our soldiers being killed in places we'd scarcely heard of before. (Not many women killed, but lots of young men.) I blame Harriet Harman and her like. I bet Harriet's grannie handed out white feathers during World War 1.
45

El Franko,

04/08/2009 18:24:59
A foolish and ignorant woman. Females were and are prominent in investing. Specifically at Lehman Bros:

'If Ms. Harman had done her research, she would have discovered that the systemic disaster that is the credit default swap originated from the derivatives team run by the ever so definitely female Blythe Masters (great name for a senior swaps dealer: you couldn't make it up, sheer nominative determinism). Indeed, during the boom years, the lefty feminist press made a great song and dance about the fact that her team booked $4 trillion of the things every year.'

Source: http://alexmasterley.blogspot.com/2009/08/blythe-masters-of-universe.html

No informed person in their right mind will ever vote Labout again.
46

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 18:43:01
#46. El Franko

"No informed person in their right mind will ever vote Labout again"

You are quite correct. Unfortunately, this country has an unhealthy quota of people who are most definately not of 'right mind'. Let's pray they do us a favour and stop voting for this mob just because their parents and their parents before them did it without even thinking.
47

Jimbo2,

04/08/2009 18:56:01
How Harriet Harman voted on key issues since 2001:

Voted moderately for a transparent Parliament.

Voted moderately for introducing a smoking ban.

Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.

Voted very strongly for introducing foundation hospitals.

Voted strongly for introducing student top-up fees.

Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws.

Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.

Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.

Voted very strongly for replacing Trident.

If Harman feels men are the cause of the world's problems due to their bullish attitude and testestorone output, why did she vote along with them (very strongly) for the Iraq war, Trident, against an investigation into the Iraq war etc?

Was it due to her own high testestorone levels and bullish attitude?

Or is she really just another Labour sychophantic piece of lobby fodder who knows her place?
48

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 18:59:42
#48 Jimbo2

"If Harman feels men are the cause of the world's problems due to their bullish attitude and testestorone output, why did she vote along with them (very strongly) for the Iraq war.."

To kill a few men off?
49

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 19:00:09
Ooops. Sorry. That was a bit uncalled for.
50

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/08/2009 19:08:35
I look forward to opening an account in the Harriet Harman Bank.

And if you believe that...........

Come on, women, invent something.
51

Tartan Viking,

04/08/2009 19:27:28
#51. One of them invented a bra that stops women's t*ts jiggling about when they are running.

She doesn't have many male friends left after that :o)

 

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