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SNP hails its 'winning performance'



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Published Date: 14 April 2008
THE SNP is starting to win the argument over independence because it is governing well, an SNP minister claimed yesterday.
Mike Russell, the environment minister, was responding to a poll that showed greater backing for independence than for the Union.

The TNS System Three opinion poll found 41 per cent of Scots wanted the SNP government to negotiate an independence
settlement, compared to 40 per cent who are opposed to breaking up the UK. Speaking on BBC Scotland's Politics Show, Mr Russell said more people would come round to independence the longer the SNP was in government in Scotland.

He said: "What we have seen in the last 12 months is a steady swing towards the idea of independence.

"I have always believed throughout my political career that if the SNP is governing and governing well, which we are trying to do, then the people will realise that if we can govern well in some things, we can govern well in all things.

"That's exactly what I think we are seeing so I think as time goes on, I expect the numbers will improve even more."

Mr Russell added that the Labour government in London had helped further the cause of independence by "bullying" Scotland, withholding money and "picking fights" with Holyrood.

"I'm sure that is having an effect because no-one in Scotland, no-one anywhere, likes to be bullied," he said.

The TNS poll is the second in the last week to show more than 40 per cent support for independence.

Professor John Curtice, an elections expert from Strathclyde University, warned the polls were slightly misleading because voters were only being asked to choose between independence and the status quo; they were not getting a choice of more powers for the parliament – as is likely to be the option in a referendum.

But he added that the SNP had won back the ground it lost during the election campaign last year when support for independence slumped.



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  • Last Updated: 13 April 2008 9:37 PM
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1

karinxxx,

14/04/2008 00:03:54
and where is the scotsmans poll they conducted and promised to publish on the 13th april. 13 unlucky for the scotsmans editorial stance was it? showed the support for the snp was higher than 41 percent did it?
2

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 00:05:52
"Professor John Curtice, an elections expert from Strathclyde University, warned the polls were slightly misleading because voters were only being asked to choose between independence and the status quo; they were not getting a choice of more powers for the parliament – as is likely to be the option in a referendum."

Excellent! Congratulations to TNS on yet another pointless poll!

However, that obviously will not stop the nats from claiming this is 'proof' of growing support....
3

karinxxx,

14/04/2008 00:13:33
highland mighty

you forgot to mention that the labour party dont want to ask the electorate if they want more powers. they are the ones who will decide so there is no point asking.
4

Castaway,

14/04/2008 00:17:19
Professor John Curtice, an elections expert from Strathclyde University, warned the polls were slightly misleading:
So was the 23% for independence often quoted by the opposition this was part of a YouGov poll 17/08/07 which included the choice of independence (23%), more tax raising powers (39%),status quo (20%) and no independence (9%) or quoted from other multi choice polls which would include more devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
These multi choice polls didn't show the true precentage for independence because they didn't ask only the one question."The Scottish Government should negotiate a settlement with the government of the UK so that Scotland becomes an independent state."
The TNS and Progressive Scottish Opinion polls give a more true reflection of the voters intentions because they required a yes or no anwer to the question that the Scottish Government is planning to ask the Scottish electorate on Scottish independence.
5

Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 14/04/2008 00:18:16
I claim that this poll is PROOF of growing support for the SNP




SNP.ORG...You know it makes sense
6

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/04/2008 00:21:59
#2 Highland Mighty

It is good to see you and Professor John Curtis now supporting the 3 option poll preposed by the First Minister.

Choice of Status Quo, More Powers or Independance.

HM do you have any outdated polls you want to post?
7

urban poacher,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 00:34:14
perhps it might be better to ask how many want to go back to before 1997
8

karinxxx,

14/04/2008 00:44:58
7 f off we did that and it didnt work.
9

FS,

Stirling 14/04/2008 01:16:02
Polls are Polls - no substitute for real democracy.
If the Scottish Parliament claims to serve the people then it must trust the people's judgement in a referendum and not retain that privilege for itself.

300 hundred years is to long for both Nationalists AND Unionists to be ignored on this issue.
10

Boggle fey the Bog,

14/04/2008 01:19:43
They're taking there time on their own poll, where are the results promised yesterday.

HM of course polls are misleading, that's why AS is at Bute House, 'cos the polls mislead Bliar and Gordo into believing that if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, you'll scare everyone into keeping you in power.

Nu Labour? Dithering Diddies Perty mair like!
11

ptdoug,

14/04/2008 01:30:16
#2 Highland Mighty ???

I thought you only ever posted under the name British Pride?

... or is it the other way round...?

;-)
12

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14/04/2008 03:03:06
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13

democracy,

Scottish Borders 14/04/2008 04:49:59
I'll decide how the referendum will be worded and is as follows;.......
"DO YOU WANT YOUR NATION TO BE GOVERNED BY A FOREIGN COUNTRY, YES or NO.
14

Rodster,

Glasgow 14/04/2008 07:04:00
Professor John Curtice, an elections expert from Strathclyde University, warned the polls were slightly misleading because voters were only being asked to choose between independence and the status quo; they were not getting a choice of more powers for the parliament – as is likely to be the option in a referendum.

Really Prof?? don't you mean I do not like the result of this poll so can we please muddy the waters and be as negative as we can I the Prof am a committed unionist and Uncle Tom no independence thank you !!
There will only be a multi option if that is the price the SNP have to pay for extracting our democratic right from ther Axis of Drivel .
The SNP want a straight single question ,so do the people ,only the unionists want to try and skew the result.
Remember Cunnignhame and the 40% rule? !!
15

John S,

14/04/2008 07:08:10
"The Scottish Government should negotiate a settlement with the government of the UK so that Scotland becomes an independent state."
With the condition that 40% of the total electorate vote "No" in order for the proposal to be rejected.
16

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 07:30:05
Highland Mighty

Do you plan to use more than one moniker ie British Pride or have you learned the error of your ways?
17

Linda,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 07:38:37
The TNS poll is the second poll in a week which shows 41% support for independence and 43% against so thee is definitely a trend towards independence.

Where is the Scotland on Sunday poll promised on Sunday has it been sent to the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission for doctoring?
18

Hugo of Garven,

14/04/2008 08:11:33
The longer the SNP govern well, the more support they will get.

The future looks bright.
19

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 14/04/2008 08:45:37
'More powers' is not a constitutional position'. In short you can't vote on 'more powers'. There needs to be a defined position or the opinion poll is false. Clearly, if more powers mean transferring a small policy matter to the competence of Holyrood then the majority of people are in favour of independence.

I think what this poll really shows is that a majority those who desire 'more powers' are also comfortable with voting for independence. They were previously, by union propgandists, lumped together with supporters of the union.

The is the difinitive proof that these unionists are wrong. If Scots want 'more powers' it is as a second step to independence.
20

Joe,

St. Leonards Hill 14/04/2008 08:54:27
Nodding through transport projects in the west and
vetoeing most in the east is governing well? Who do they think they are kidding?
21

Union is Best,

14/04/2008 08:59:48
21. Quite right. The new Forth crossing is in the west. I hear the Edinburgh Trams go far west as well.
22

Stepford Nat,

14/04/2008 09:01:41
We are brill, even if we dos say so ourselves, and that means voters want independents now!

www.snp.org - Scottish Power for Scottish People!
23

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 09:04:26
Having read the article about the spy service of fascist Westminster, going to recruit Scots to spy on Muslims here in Scotland. I think we owe it to our Scots who are muslims, to decide in favour of Independance. Only then can we protect peaceful people who go about their daily business in a peaceful manner, without being picked on and vilified just because they are of a certain religion. Muslims here in Scotland have absolutely no more record as terrorists than the majority of other Scots.

The saddest thing of all is that we Scots are trying to protect them from what was once a Labour Party of Scotland. Shame on everyone of the Scottish Labours Members for not putting the traitors down south back in their place.
24

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 09:06:28
The SNP are not governing well. All they are doing is bribing the electorate with English money. Prescription charges, bridge tolls,student grants. Anyone could do that.

The irony is that come independence the English money won't be available anymore and all the sweeties will need to be taken back.
25

The Strategist,

14/04/2008 09:08:29
Never trust a newspaper that doesn't report local motor racing events. Knockhill was mobbed this weekend for the FIA GT races. The Scotsman hasn't even mentioned it.
26

Union is Best,

14/04/2008 09:12:36
25. Good point. Scottish money having no value and oil being a largely invented Nat myth.
27

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 09:24:06
#27 I speak for everyone when I say that your wit is well past its sell by date.
28

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 09:26:43
#28 Morag, who definitely doesn't speak for me!



Better to be witty than half-witted. ;-)
29

Alan B,

14/04/2008 09:30:53
I do not think there is really a trend towards independence being shown by the polls here.

Highland Mighty quotes John Curtice. Curtice also said that this poll is not surprise polls have shown a rougly even split between independence and remaining within the UK for about 8/9yrs, with many showing a majority support (of those that express an opinion) for independence.

I think as such the latest polls show a return to the support for independence that has regularly been shown before the dip after last yrs election.

Why the dip? could be from
1)wanted to see how the snp fair
2)snp said they would wait a few yrs for independence referendum
3)labours campaign at the last election was anti-independence while the snp were more concentrating on getting elected
4)probably most important - after the election polls
some of the media has sold the idea of devolution max. Polls have then asked multi question options. Many people that would support independence would support dev max to either see how that works or as a stepping stone. However with the union commission now unlikely to advocate dev max (fiscal autonomy being it prerequisite) and possibily being a damb squib people are refocussing on the choices available.

30

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 09:35:57
Just read this classic line in the Independent today!!

Alan Johnson, the Health Secretary, came to Mr Brown's defence yesterday. He insisted the Prime Minister was facing a "character assassination" campaign from journalists similar to that endured by Tony Blair, John Major and Margaret Thatcher.

Does this ring any bells Hamish ,Eddie???
31

Alan B,

14/04/2008 09:36:30
MoragfraeEdinburgh
"The SNP are not governing well. All they are doing is bribing the electorate with English money. Prescription charges, bridge tolls,student grants. Anyone could do that."

The snp have had the same settlement by teh barnett formula that labour and tories have had for the last 30 odd yrs but neither pary were able to do it. This despite the fact that this is the lowest increase that the scottish government have had since devolution. 0.5% this yr and under 2% over the 3 yr period. (Far worse than the increase england is getting.)

As for saying it is doing that using english money shows a complete economic ignorance on ur part.
32

Union is Best,

14/04/2008 09:39:40
28. Great work - "I speak for everyone when I say...."

10/10 for Unionist style!
33

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 09:43:44
#32

It's not a question of not being able to do it. Why should the rich who can easily afford them have all these things for free? But they like being bribed just like everyone else. Hence SNP policy of doling out sweeties paid for by English money. What happens when that gets taken away?
34

Senga Jean,

Scpotland 14/04/2008 09:44:11
#28 Morag fraeGalafrae...YOU DO not speak for me you speak like that foolish candidate for London Mayor. When someone is so wrong it is difficult to know where to start. Take this one Scots person.. me. I have savings and investments and have run businesses profitably in Scotland with world wide customers. Never mind the oil yet but multiply my case by the thousands of others in Scotland and I am certain you will see I am subsidising London. If you do not believe me then do mind the oil and you have no argument. I would only wonder why a Scots person would think so little of Scotland. MOTIVES????
35

Senga Jean,

Scpotland.. because we are not yet perfect. 14/04/2008 09:47:20
#35 DITTO
36

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 09:48:15
And this nice headline from the Daily Mail

Battered Brown fights to stay on course as he's hit by dismal opinion polls and growing Labour revolts
37

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 09:58:56
Hilarious how when successive polls came out a few weeks ago showing dropping support for independence, the nats couldn't be found.

But bring out two that show increasing support and here they all are again declaring this as 'proof'!

Welcome back!

Anyway, we are all STILL waiting for details of Salmond's guarantees that Scotland will be better off independent....we are STILL waiting for Salmond's figures on the oil income he says will make us all so very rich....we are STILL waiting for Salmond to publish the long overdue GERS that he has been hiding in a manner even Mugabe would be proud of.....we are STILL waiting for details on how Salmond intends to save the shipyards and its 40,000+ jobs when the MOD contracts dry up....we are STILL waiting for details on how he will rescue the 10,000 families that depend their income from Faslane....we are STILL waiting for details on how he will keep our young financial sector going should the London-owned banks (such as our flagship RBS) decide to move south (Remember that RBS has far more staff in London than in Edinburgh).....

Never mind, we will have those 7 votes in the 751 seat European Parliament and a vote in the 200 seat UN Assembly, so all will be well regardless!

SNP: Exploiting the gullibility of Scots since 1934.
38

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 09:59:42
Another classic line from the Daily Mail

However, a senior member of Tony Blair's last Cabinet said yesterday that Brownites and Blairites - who gathered recently - all now shared the same analysis of Labour's prospects.

"We all agreed that we are f*****," the ex-minister said.
39

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 10:05:15
#39 Highland Mighty

Morning, are you planning on being yourself today or are you planning multiple monikers? It's hard to take you seriously when you talk to yourself!
40

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 10:06:01
MoragfraeEdinburgh says: "The SNP are not governing well. All they are doing is bribing the electorate with English money."

Morag there is no kind way of saying this but.....ooops, just found a way....say nothing.

Isn't life great watching unionists spluttering and giberring in the media on a daily basis?

Bless...they've got to make some pretence at defending the Union before giving up and coming over to the SNP.

Wonder who will be first?????
41

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 14/04/2008 10:12:15
#24 "Muslims here in Scotland have absolutely no more record as terrorists than the majority of other Scots."

So the terrorists who drove a range rover packed with drums of petrol and large gas canisters into the departure lounge of Glasgow airport - they weren't muslims?

It is true that only a very tiny number of muslims are terrorists; but it does seem equally true that the majority of terrorist incidents in the UK have been planned and carried out by muslims.

It would be ignorant to smear all muslims as 'terrorists' but it would be stupid not to realise that there is a fundamentalist strand in Wahabi'st Islam that regards western non-believers as less than dogs - fit only for death.
42

MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 14/04/2008 10:13:57
42# I think you will find that there are no economic organisations not linked to the Nats that believes that the SNP bribing of the voters is not paid for by the English. I suppose there is only one way to find out - have independence and watch all the sweeties being taken back again.

The Scottish electorate is being extremely gullible in falling for these bribes. In fact it's pathetic really what a great nation has been reduced to by Salmond and his cronies.
43

Conan the Librarian™,

14/04/2008 10:17:48
39
Weren't you spamming these threads with a post, something about 23%...Condemned out of your own mouth, if support for the SNP is rising, shouldn't it follow that pro-SNP posts should rise also?
44

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 10:23:50
44. Oil is fast running out and will be merely a trickle come Salmond's latest target of 2017.

However, the UK's financial sector is raking in the money and Salmond wants to cut us off from one of the biggest 'money-wells' of them all.

Finance has always brought in far more money than NS oil, even with prices at current peaks.
45

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 14/04/2008 10:26:49
HighlandShitey,
"Hilarious how when successive polls came out a few weeks ago showing dropping support for independence, the nats couldn't be found."

Only hilarious thing is your imagination. Nats are always to be found. There never was any drop in support, that was your spin as was well argued and now we have the evidence to support the fact that it was spin.

All you unionist cyber-trolls do is make things up. Fantasy politics and banal propaganda - have you no shame?
46

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 10:31:36
45. Wow, how many times does this have to be repeated?

The 23%-27% are from MULTI-option polls.

The 40%-41% polls are from TWO-option polls.

Salmond Himself agreed just a few weeks ago that support for independence was from "only a quarter of the population".

Obviously, you believe support has jumped 15% in a matter of days. Go for it.

(The disappointing thing about these boards is that the nat side is almost totally comprised of teenagers with little comprehension of what they are talking about other than what SNP Central tells them. To struggle with the concept of TWO types of polls, for example.....!)
47

McX,

14/04/2008 10:54:12
#48 So presumably HM you are now promoting a multi option referendum which includes independence?

Is this the case?
48

Conan the Librarian™,

14/04/2008 10:55:17
48
Are you of the persuasion that if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it?
"41 per cent of Scots wanted the SNP government to negotiate an independence settlement"
Given another option they'll become unionists again, eh?
49

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 14/04/2008 10:56:01
#48 Keep panicking, love.

The polls of the last two days ask the SAME questions those same polls asked a year ago, and the swing towards independence is around 15% in both cases. No matter how you try to spin it, that's a trend in favour of independence. The results might well be different in a multi-option vote (hard to say, since the Unionists won't let us have a voice at all, whereas the SNP are happily prepared to have two options OR multiple options), but the TREND is absolutely, unquestionably, irrefutably in favour of independence. Of course, you know that perfectly well, which is why you're spamming these boards with increasing frequency and hysteria.
50

John S,

14/04/2008 10:57:26
#30 Alan B; Ref your 4), I don't think that there was any dip in the support for independence and I agree giving the dev max as a choice in the multi choice polls distorted the actual "for" independence poll result and off course the unionists jumped onto only 23%-27% want independence taken from these multi choice polls.
The TNS poll from last August and December 2007 and now April 2008 has shown an increase from 35%,40% and 41% for independence and a decrease from 50%,44% and 40% opposed.
It is the same with the Progressive Scottish Opinion with for independence Aug 2007 at 31% and now April 2008 at 41% with against Aug 07 at 49% and now 43%. These polls allowed only yes/no/don't know choice of answers.
51

McX,

14/04/2008 11:02:01
One wonders what percentage will support Independence come the next Holyrood election?

The Scottish government need only do as it has done so far, continue governing well and maintain the WENDY as leader of the opposition and support will continue to grow.

I know the WENDY was taking a week off to be with the bairns after her colossal success at Aviemore, but where is she now?
52

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 11:05:02
51. I think you need to go back and check the polls again.
53

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 14/04/2008 11:08:23
Sorry, dear - unlike you, I can actually read properly.
54

McX,

14/04/2008 11:18:31
#55 Come on old crocus please answer my question at #49
55

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 14/04/2008 11:34:21
#28 Morag, you don't speak for me. UiB's humour is very effective in blowing gaping holes in most Unionist propaganda. Long may it continue.
56

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 14/04/2008 11:39:00
#46 HM - You clearly know nothing about the North Sea oil reserves.
57

Jock 1O7,

14/04/2008 11:40:03
58 Connaught

Quite right - anyone expecting logical debate on these forums is a wee bit naive, and fair game.

It's 95% full of eejits like myself, although most take themselves too seriously
58

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 14/04/2008 11:44:31
The difference between 'dev max' which I assume will be control of all internal affairs coupled with full fiscal autonomy and 'independence' which in 21st century terms involves for most European countries the acceptance of shared policies and regulations as promulgated by Brussels and perhaps mutually agreed matters with the other states of the British Isles, will only be a matter of degree. The point where one becomes the other will be marked by who has the final say - the 'sovereignty' - Westminster or Holyrood.
Already 'dev max' and 'independence'together is supported by most of the population. The 'status quo devolution' and 'union integration' is a minority standpoint.
Eventually, when the perceptions of the people become that the economy is sound, and the administration is delivering, the voters will be quite happy to have the 'sovereignty' in their own hands. It is the natural order of governance.
Little by little we are heading in that direction. We are already past the point of no return. The tipping point in favour of 'sovereignty' is not far off.
59

ptdoug,

14/04/2008 11:48:03
Highland Mighty,

How are we supposed to take anything you say seriously when you post under multible monikers and deny it point blank..... but you were coaght bang to rights recently... is that not so...British Pride ???

Now tell us.... are we lying???
60

ptdoug,

14/04/2008 11:48:49
Sorry "caught" bang to rights... British Pride.
61

ptdoug,

14/04/2008 11:49:48
We are waiting... British Pride...
62

ptdoug,

14/04/2008 11:51:03
Your silence tells us all we need to know, HM aka BP.
63

ptdoug,

14/04/2008 11:51:58
Well ?????????...
64

Carlo,

Fort William 14/04/2008 11:53:36
!!!!ATTENTION ALL SERIOUS FORUM BLOGGERS!!!!

The entity that is Highland Mighty is to be ignored completely...!!!

It is straight from Kier Hardie House's media dissemination and lies desk......rest assured it comprises of at least 3 different people.....I know, I used to teach it there!

Roll on the Westminister elections!

It's TIME.....!!!!
65

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 12:06:29
Highland Mighty/British Pride

As someone with a split personality how many votes will you get in the forthcoming referendum??
66

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 12:14:39
Ah, the good old "He's got multiple usernames!" shriek.

How very dull and how very silly considering most nat bloggers have multiple usernames.....as if anyone with a brain actually gives a flying s**t.

Next.

(Seriously, too many children on these boards.)
67

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 12:16:33
57. This one, for instance, has a certain Ayrshire ring to it.

So much support for independence that the nats need multiple usernames to boost their 'numbers'.

Gah, the people on these boards are such neds!
68

danielrober,

14/04/2008 12:21:23
Honestly, what is the SNP on and do they pay tax on it?

So far they have given away billions in promissed engineering infrastructure contracts for rail, road and bridges. They have suppored more buyouts of industry than ever before, how can they see this as successful?
69

McX,

14/04/2008 12:21:41
#70 Dear old Ayrshire Scot has used my terminology in the past, this pleases me as I enjoy seeing my darling phrases take off like flying monkeys.

I note you prefer abuse to answering my question, as you may be hard of thinking. DO you support a multi option referendum, including Independence? No trap just a simple question.
70

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 12:25:49
HM/BP

So are you saying that the Nats use multiple user names to boost their numbers? If they're such a minority why do you feel the urge to display multiple personality disorder and post under heaps of different IDs?

Multiple personality disorder, or MPD, is a mental disturbance classified as one of the dissociative disorders in the fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV). It has been renamed dissociative identity disorder (DID). MPD or DID is defined as a condition in which "two or more distinct identities or personality states" alternate in controlling the patient's consciousness and behavior. Note: "Split personality" is not an accurate term for DID and should not be used as a synonym for schizophrenia.
71

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 14/04/2008 12:26:39
I never find that the Nationalists on these board ever say that independence will create 'Utopia' only that it will bring the normality that other northern European countries enjoy.
On the other hand the Unionists profess that independence will bring disaster, chaos, poverty and a myriad of other disasters and difficulties.
The reason why the former are winning the argument for independence is that they convey levelheaded reality, whereas the latter convey nothing but irrational absurdity.
72

McX,

14/04/2008 12:27:08
Jimmy is this where the name DIDDY comes from?
73

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 12:36:00
#75 McX

Could be ;-)

Joking apart, after reading the articles about MPD, DID and all that other stuff, we should not mock HM/BP but pity him/them. It's not his/their fault that he's/them are no fairly right. I'm sure come independence day, he/them would be better staying in Scotland for medical treatment rather than upping sticks and heading down south.
74

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 14/04/2008 13:14:52
Seems highland mighty doesn't care who folk support as long as it is a unionist party, could it be he'she'it now works for the commission oops should that be review?
75

 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/04/2008 13:15:58
70. Good grief, what is Oscar X Montague doing with my ring?
76

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 14/04/2008 13:19:25
Of course you can understand why these unionists go on the way that they do, i mean everything has always been so wonderful under British rule, makes you wonder why all those ungrateful folk left over the years.

Especially as they had the chance to go on living under a government style which once again has been shown to be so honest and upright!

Long live Westminster rule, but not for us.
77

 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/04/2008 13:24:01
76. Jimmy

indeed, compassion should be our wacth-word when dealing with poor unfortunates like Highland Pride.

Clearly the intensity of constantly defending, all day every day, a series of numblingly hopeless and illogical positions (the latest that the System 3 and PSO polls don't show increasing support for indepenence) has taken a toll on the poor pompous, boorish chap.

Poor Highland Pride's latest output is the dribbling menatlist culmination of an erratic downward spiral that has been apparent in his output for some time. Despair and panic at the increase in SNP and independence support has caused him some kind of severe dissociation from reality, leading to the palpable anxiety and incoherence in his posts. We wish him a speedy recover, but alas his prognosis is not good, his continenece is failing more and more daily, and he has now developed a nasty chill as the result of sitting 19 hours a day on a pee and dribble soaked chair bashing like a lunatic at his keyboard.
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Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 13:35:07
#81 Ayrshire

Yes I agree with what you say.
The really worrying thing about this disorder is that there can be up to two thousand personalities. This is a truly horrendous thought as if he can't keep track of who he is with 2 or 3 personalities, God knows what the poor soul will be like with 2 thousand. Mind you that could already be happening looking at some of the absurd posters on this site!!!
79

GM,

14/04/2008 13:37:53
@69 Highland Mighty/British Pride...

Yes it is a shriek, and yes it is true - your faux pas is not forgotten despite the fact your post has now been removed completely from the website...

not modded, not blanked, but removed completely.

How did you manage that?

And,
I am quite frankly amazed that you have the gall to come back here and post any comment whatsoever, given the complete loss of 100% of any credibility you may have had...

Posting as multiple usernames simply to give yourself backing and yet everyone else is a 'child' or a 'ned'... your arrogance is absolutely amazing!

Advice -

Pick a new username - just the one mind - and start posting afresh.
Anything HM posts from now on will be subject to the ridicule it deserves.
80

 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/04/2008 13:40:11
82. Jimmy, What I really don't understand and think is most unfortunate, is why when Highland Pride has so many personalities, are they are all repulsive, childish, pompous and incapable of logical argument? You would think on the balance of probability one of his personalities would be tolerable, but alas no.

What cruel vicissitudes of fate have left this deranged incontinent Highland Pride engaged in a protracted battle with reality, given him so many monikers and personalties, and made them all full of despair, scampering amuck hysterically as their mental apparatus disintegrates?
81

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/04/2008 13:52:56
".....we are STILL waiting for details on how Salmond intends to save the shipyards and its 40,000+ jobs when the MOD contracts dry up....we are STILL waiting for details on how he will rescue the 10,000 families that depend their income from Faslane....we are STILL waiting for details on how he will keep our young financial sector going should the London-owned banks (such as our flagship RBS) decide to move south (Remember that RBS has far more staff in London than in Edinburgh)"

As someone who comes from Greenock and who is descended from 3 generations of Shipbuilders I can assure you that their are not 40,000 working in the Shipbuilding industry in the entire UK let alone Scotland.

The supposed 10,000 families that depend on Faslane for their livelyhood will no doubt find employment servicing the needs of Scotlands Navy.

As far as the financial sector goes they will make their determination on where to locate staff based on an unsentimental business case. RBS may well decide that it is prudent to move a lot of the London based positions North if intelligent policies are implemented. Being small has not hurt Luxembourg, Ireland, The Isle of Mann or the Channel Isles in developing their Financial Sector.

You may find that a lot of other companies such as BP decide that Scotland is a more prudent choice to locate their head office. Given that the UK taxes them at a 10% higher rate than other business.

82

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 13:54:42
#85 Ayrshire

It gets worse. I found this article and it is very disturbing to say the least!!!

A person suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder undergoes change in personality in just a few seconds. The patient then acts as a completely different person than he/she is in reality, the patient imitates characteristic and behavioural traits, name, history etc. of the person he/she thinks he/she is. People suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder sometimes undergo change in personality where they have alters of different genders, sexual orientations, ages, or nationalities. Some people alter to something that is not even human; they alter to some spiritual force, sometimes to different animals, sometimes to some extra terrestrial life force etc. Generally, people suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder has from 2 to 10 alters but at situations there have been as many as some hundred alters.
83

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/04/2008 14:15:04
#87

"some extra terrestrial life force etc"

Do you think he might also be Galactic Cannibal?
84

The Strategist,

14/04/2008 14:40:16
#86

Given the damage the banks have done to the economy I'm somewhat unconvinced that we would want to retain them here anyway. I'd rather start another one that had some interest in growing the Scottish economy instead of the size of its bonuses.
85

Queen D,

Glasgow 14/04/2008 14:44:56
Kampung Highlander , don't mention that name!
86

bill-alba,

Fife 14/04/2008 15:01:57
holy mary...I think you should check your facts re the oil (while I'm at it just check your facts on anything.
However I think you'll find that most nats don't want independence because of oil we aren't dependent like you britnats so please get a backbone of some sort.
87

Sanny,

14/04/2008 15:25:35
44 MoragfraeEdinburgh
Your wrong there Morag. You should try making enquiries at the National Statistics Office or the UK Treasury there you will find ample proof that, far from excepting English Geld, Scotland is in a small way subsidising England. Incidentally the most heavily subsidised part of the UK is London and the SE.

To save you the hassle of extracting the figures from government sources and analysing them, I suggest you get a copy of Niall Aslen’s paper “The Great Deception”. Niall has already done all the hard work for you and has even asked the Treasury to review his figures in case of errors. So this must be regarded as a reasonable analysis of Scotland’s Income and Expenditure and guess what? We have a small surplus; what’s more we have been in surplus for over thirty years.

Will you now review your comments and opinion or will you continue spamming your lie?
88

Highland Mighty,

14/04/2008 16:37:34
92. Very bizarre comment seeing that London and the SE receive no subsidies whatsoever.

A subsidy is what you receive when you spend more than you make. Those two regions make a net contribution of about £80bn a year to the Treasury. No subsidy in sight.

I mean, if both those two regions, two of the richest in Europe, need subsidies, just WHO is providing all the money??

'The Great Deception' also has Scotland paying the entire bill for Trident (!!!) and that we should only be paying for 3.5% of the defence budget (even though we are 8-9% of the population). That's one unreliable arch-nationalist source you are relying on there!
89

Union is Best,

14/04/2008 16:46:47
94. Quite right! No one will notice the fact that you say at the same time (1) The great deception includes total cost of Trident in Scottish expenditure (£40 billion and more than the defence budget) and (2) only 3.5 % of the defence budget.

If they do, move on! We must be fast and fleet of foot!
90

Truely English,

14/04/2008 16:54:00
It seems that the Nationalists have made great strides on the political front in a very short time, with the help of a British Prime Minister from Scotland. At this rate we can anticipate Scotland to seperate from the rest of Britain in a short period of time.

One good refreshing bit of news is that Britains greatest playwright Shakespeare will be performed in Glasgow very soon having parts taken by most of the leading actors from Scotland.

The Union is far from over knowing the English language bonds us all together.
It is my intention to attend performances and I hope to see you all there.
91

Union is Best,

14/04/2008 17:07:05
96! Quite right! I see what you are doing - you are taking the poll that shows 41% in favour of independence vs 40% on favour of Union, and converting to 60% in favour of the Union by allocation of all undecideds to the Union! Bravo!

92

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 17:18:48
I see Michael McMahon an MSP was in the Sunday papers yesterday.I'll leave it to you to see if you can guess which party he represents.

Onwards and upwards

or in the case of Highland Pride

Downwards and inwards
93

Truely English,

14/04/2008 17:33:44
It has been most interesting reading how many in Scotland are against what is seen as a parochial and cringe culture.

Indeed Sir Walter Scott is to blame for this state of affairs as he was concerned that Scotland would take on the mantle of being like North Britain or like England. So he introduced different things like the kilt from the Highlands to create a seemingly Scottish identity.

What a waste of time and effort, as it is clear that Scotland has always wanted to remain in the English and British cultural mould no matter what happens at the political level. It didn't happen then and it won't happen now.

Let us all rejoice that we can be as one country and one people whether independence comes or not.
94

European Scot,

14/04/2008 17:39:19
97 'Truely' English

"It seems that the Nationalists have made great strides on the political front in a very short time, with the help of a British Prime Minister from Scotland"

Your post might have been a little more accurate if you had stated:-
It seems that the Nationalists have made great strides on the political front in a very short time, in spite of the help of a very British Prime Minister from Scotland

The Australians, New Zealanders, most Canadians, even the good old US of A speak English, although the latter, like you, spell it differently.
They also share another thing, something that Scotland is aiming to achieve, their Independence.
Doubtless you can visit all of these countries and watch excellent performances of England's greatest playwright William Shakespeare.
The Shakespeare performed in the theatres of an Independent Scotland will still be of a high quality, and of interest to visitors from many other countries.
That common language will, however, help you to understand the results of a Scottish referendum, that much faster, than others around the world.
The Union is all but over, the commonality of language isn't going to change the political will of a people.
95

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/04/2008 18:30:25
#97 & 100

Are you also one of Highland Mighty/British Prides/Galactic Cannibals multiple personalities?

It is difficult to see which of you Unionists are Real or Contrived as you all post such similar rubbish.

96

Janis *,

London 14/04/2008 18:31:56

Yip too Jackie Priest @ 102 I've read that you Scots have also got your greedy sticky hands on Robin Hood , turning him into a Scot. Come Independence all this will have to be sorted.

97

Jimmy the Pie,

14/04/2008 18:43:21
#100 Truely English

What you are really hankering after is a return of the glorious British Empire. We could restart slavery, bring back child chimney sweeps, send troops off to die in pointless, but glorious wars (OK we're doing that now), men only voting (landowners at that), build things called Empire Domes, where the workers doffed their hats to the gentry, God save the Queen and all that Land of Hope and Glory nonsense.

Scotland getting her independence is one of the final parts of dismantling of the Empire and not a moment too soon.