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Salmond sets his sights on live debate with Brown



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Published Date: 16 October 2008
ALEX Salmond has signalled that he would be happy to turn the Glenrothes by-election into a battle of personalities with Gordon Brown.
The First Minister used his by-election campaign launch in Glenrothes to challenge the Prime Minister to a debate in the constituency.

Even the choice of venue – East Fife's football ground in Methil – could not have been better designed to rile Mr Brown, a supporter of fierce local rivals Raith Rovers.

However, Mr Brown's onslaught on independence earlier this week seemed to have had some effect, as the word was not mentioned in the press release handed out to journalists at the launch.

But Mr Salmond – who was joining the Nationalists' candidate, Peter Grant, the Fife Council leader – said: "Our policy of Scottish independence underlines everything we do."

But he insisted the impact of the financial crisis on people's lives was more important, which was why the SNP's by-election campaign was focusing on winning a cut in VAT on fuel bills and demands for £120 million of fossil-fuel levy money from the Treasury.

Mr Salmond claimed the Prime Minister had ended the political truce, declared while the government tried to tackle the international financial disaster, by questioning if an independent Scotland would have been able to save its banks.

He said: "I can only interpret the decision to resume political hostilities in that light, therefore he will now be subject to the same examination politically that normal times demand. In particular, we can examine who the author of the 'age of irresponsibility' actually was."

He went on to say that Mr Brown had deliberately ignored Norway when he said the case for independence had been undermined.

Mr Salmond pointed out that Norway had a £200 million sovereign oil fund and had provided a stabilisation package of £35 billion for its banks, despite having a smaller population than Scotland's.

But he welcomed Mr Brown's decision to ignore the precedent which dictates that prime ministers do not campaign in by-elections.

Referring to his party's victory in Glasgow East, Mr Salmond said: " The political earth is still shaking and it's going to be felt next here in Glenrothes."

He said he would exceed his trips to Glasgow East and had been to Glenrothes campaigning five times already.

"I would be delighted, incidentally, to debate with the Prime Minister," he said. "I will be delighted to debate with the Prime Minister anywhere in this seat."

Number 10 refused to comment, but a Downing Street source said: "Alex Salmond's economic illiteracy is becoming more apparent and more embarrassing for Scotland."

The full article contains 440 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 16/10/2008 00:10:13
Ha ha debate with Salmond, like asking the Professor to debate with the nursery student.

Keep on learning Fat Al!
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Canadian Jambo,

16/10/2008 00:10:20
I hope Alex uses the opportunity to raise his 'empathy' for faith-based schools (includng Muslim)There's an issue worth discussing.
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Castaway,

16/10/2008 00:13:01
Gordon Brown's a fearty.
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:17:27
1. If that's true, 'Professor' Brown has got nothing to fear from taking up the debate, has he? Mystifying why he would turn it down.

Back in the real world, we all know Alex Salmond would wipe the floor with Brown in a debate. The Tories' Michael Gove admitted in a newspaper article this week that one of his debates with Salmond had to be stopped 'for humanitarian reasons'!
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ThomasP,

16/10/2008 00:19:07
Salmond will walk all over Brown.

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famous 15,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 00:21:10
Brown broke the embargo my unsuccessfully trying to undermine Scotland and its aspirations in his "Stronger together,weaker apart" speech. The joke is on fat Brown with crocodile tears and sparkling teeth telling this to the wee hard working donkey that is Scotland. Real Punch and Judy this as the crocodile gobbles up everything of worth in Scotland. More than ever Scotland needs INDEPENDENCE!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:22:17
Salmond should have a question and answer session with the public.

I would like to ask him how easily Scotland could replicate the Norwegian Model.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:24:10
Following on from #8 I would like to ask Salmond his thoughts on the Danish Model (which is a hybrid).
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gothenburg glory,

aberdeen 16/10/2008 00:26:16
stronger together weaker apart - a view shared by the vast majority of thinking Scots - but not the bile ridden snp propagandists who choke these comment threads on a daily basis with their intolerance.

Intolerance and an inability to stomach different political views or justified criticism of the fantasy that is nationalist economics.

Intolerance incidentally my nat friends that would not look out of place in totalitarian regimes.

Maybe now the arc of prosperity has gone down the tubes cybernatdom should look further afield to independent north korea where those who think Mr Salmond speaks for Scotland and the SNP is 'Scotland's' party might be able to make common cause with Kim Il Sung.....

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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:26:59
I would also like to ask Salmond about his plans to get Scotland into the Eurovision song contest.

Norway always got nil points, so maybe we could learn from their mistakes.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:30:14
#11 Salmond is so much more than a first minister.

I think he could be Scotland Football Manager on a part time basis as well.

He certainly sorted out Kris Boyd.
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 16/10/2008 00:33:46
No chance, Brown would be shown up for what he is, muppet.
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Theres obviously internet access in your padded cell,what planet do you live on
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:35:35
12. Norway also won the Eurovision Song Contest twice. Sweden have won four times, Denmark twice, Finland once, and Ireland a whopping seven times. Even tiny Iceland were the runners-up in 1999.

Yet another startling advantage of being a small independent country in northern Europe.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:36:17
BTO yes I agree.

One thing that worries me about the Norwegian Model if he pursues it is whaling.

Will we copy Norway and start flaunting the International Whaling Convention?

Will our fishermen start slaughtering thousands of defenceless, friendly intelligent whales?

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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:38:38
17. "Will we copy Norway and start flaunting the International Whaling Convention?"

Er, no. But I think you knew that before you asked.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:39:43
Mind you, Salmond must be worried.

If Scotland did adopt the Norwegian Model and started whaling, he could never in for a swim in the Forth ever again.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:42:12
Hey Frances, whats your thoughts on Mary Queen of Scots Bones?



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famous 15,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 00:42:53
#10 In my maths an"arc" is not a spot like a tiny volcanic island way out in the sea. The remainder of the arc has the same difficulties caused by Brown and Bush as the rest of the world but they are doing better than Scotland! We are only stronger when the elephant is not sitting on us!
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One-man-bucket's older twin,

16/10/2008 00:45:18
#16 FrancesP - I don't wish to be partisan (at the moment) but why is that an advantege?
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:45:36
21. I couldn't give a monkeys, and as an SNP supporter I wish Christine Grahame would stop focusing on trivialities. But every party has the odd maverick - and I still wouldn't swap her for George Foulkes in a million years.
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karinxxx,

16/10/2008 00:45:48
21 are you still jumping on them bones?
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karinxxx,

16/10/2008 00:49:02
hey rufus whats your thoughts on the colour of gordon browns underpants.

i know its nothing to do with the article i just thought i would join you in talkin nonsense
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:49:11
23. Well, that was meant to be tongue-in-cheek obviously, but I suppose if Scotland were allowed to enter the Eurovision in its own right, winning would enable us to host the event the following year, which in turn gives your tourist industry three hours of free prime-time advertising across Europe. It did wonders for Ireland in the 1990s.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:49:29
Frances what about the Snp campaign to get Scotlands very own Eurovision Song Entry?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:52:33
Frances, who was the Snp Msp that referred to our flag as the Butchers Apron?
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karinxxx,

16/10/2008 00:53:41
hey rufus whats your thoughts on the theory that gordon brown is to blame for increased taxes and the rise in fuel bills and pensioners being in fuel poverty.

whats your thoughts rufus on brown giving iceland 100 million

whats your thoughts on rising inflation rufus.

whats your thoughts rufus on the big pay rises going to be demanded by public sector workers next year.
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:54:33
28. "Frances what about the Snp campaign to get Scotlands very own Eurovision Song Entry?"

I support the principle obviously, because I think Scotland should represent itself in all international competitions. But the SNP are not running a 'campaign' on it, as you know perfectly well.
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karinxxx,

16/10/2008 00:55:00
whats your thoughts rufus in more children being in poverty due to inflation rising under an economy brown said he had done away with boom and bust.
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karinxxx,

16/10/2008 00:55:47
rufus whats your thoughts on your thoughts.

small and a bit wee perhaps
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 00:56:13
29. "Frances, who was the Snp Msp that referred to our flag as the Butchers Apron?"

Well, you've revealed yourself as a True Brit there. From my point of view, 'our flag' is sky-blue and white.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/10/2008 00:57:44
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Her son reburied her there. His choice, not ours.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 00:58:14
How is the SNP campaign going to ensure the Saltire flies higher than the Union Jack over Edinburgh Castle?

Last time i looked, the Union Jack was still king of the castle.
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 16/10/2008 01:01:19
no1 You are 50% right Eck would wipe the floor with him but the Subprimeminister is such a coward he would never dare go face to face with anyone other than a sycophant wirh an approved script

DOES GORDON BROWN WATCH THE APPRENYICE Hmmmmmmmmm ( Watch my posts for an explanation )
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FrancesP,

16/10/2008 01:01:21
36. There's no 'SNP campaign' on that either, but I suspect the general public would at the very least like the two flags to be flown at equal height. Not everyone's a British Nationalist like you, Rufus.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 01:02:04
Okay Frances, your answers were good.

Time for me to head off and study the Danish Model in more detail. Good Night.
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Conan the Librarian™,

16/10/2008 01:10:07
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Study Danish model and jerk off do you mean Rufus?

Of course you did.
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Edward,

16/10/2008 01:17:11
Salmond debate with Brown
not a good idea, as we wold all feel sorry forBrown as Salmond would run circles around the History graduate
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 16/10/2008 01:54:59
Hold on a moment....so all the unionists are now saying that the 'arc of prsoperity' has dissapeared?

What about Norway, Sweden, Norway and Finland? Iceland has the same population as Aberdeen so comparisons with Scotland are a little disengenious. As Scotland would be part of the Eurozone we would be part of a large economic unit anyway!

Lastly are the unionists now conceding that up until a few weeks ago that Scotland was economically viable - but not know?! I seem to recall the same large measures of doom and gloom and 'we cannae do it' since time began from that rabble!.

Talk about a bunch of bull$hit artists. They must think we are all mugs.

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Brian Hill,

16/10/2008 01:56:28
Brown would only debate with Salmond if all else was lost. He has more facts in his head than most politicians put together but he is not quick on his feet and more importantly he doesn't connect with his audience as well as Salmond.

That fact that his arguments against Independence and for the union are 'contrived' to put it politely means he will have even more trouble defending them because I think Brown is fundamentally honest.

A debate should be seen as a last desperate throw of the dice because a bad showing, combined with Labour losing the by election would be sure to reignite the Brown must go argument.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 16/10/2008 02:02:40
Brown really is a numpty. The architect of this mess should be keeping a low profile not breaking political truces. Wait until the dust settles the bloodhounds in the English press will be back on his scent, if he wants economics to be put under the spotlight he will be shown to be a complete incompetent.

Another thought - virtually every economy in the world grown massively during the period that Brown has been in charge of economic policy in the UK and was promoting himself as some sort of guru. As this is a given the state he has run the economy into shows that he is an absolute chancer.
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Christina, Aberdeen,

16/10/2008 02:25:17
Could be an interesting debate - between one disturbed soul who seems to ashamed to be Scottish and wishes he was born in England, and another who appears to at one with himself.
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Christina, Aberdeen,

16/10/2008 02:29:16
There are stories that Brown will campaign in Glenrothes with the love of his life.

His wife may come along too.....


Oh Mandy!
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 16/10/2008 02:33:48
#46

Brown did an excellent job of the growing the economy at the same time as every other economy grew aswell?

Brown did an excellent job of managing the regulatory environment that caused this mess?

Brown did an excellent job of flogging HBOS in a fire sale to another institution now in need of aid? (the day before such a fire sale would not have been required)

Brown did an excellent job of mentioning Iceland ( a city state)all the time and conveniently overlooking the Scandic examples of small and liquid economies?

Throwing a massive sum of money at a problem that you have caused can in no way be described as an 'excellent job'. It's a complete bodge and will be shown to be so.

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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 16/10/2008 04:29:43
#51

"Earth to bring them on......, earth calling"

Thanks best post of my lunchtime read
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 16/10/2008 04:31:09
sorry that was meant for #50 - was gutting myself so much
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Castaway,

16/10/2008 05:26:52
#55:Joe-kerr."Boom and bust" featured 18 times in many of Gordon Brown's autumn conference and budget speeches over the last decade.
Channel 4 News 22 Sep 2008:http://tinyurl.com/3lc7bv
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donald,

glasgow 16/10/2008 05:34:37
Broon has as much chance of winning an economic debate with Alex Salmond as Engerland has of finding a supporter in a Eurovision Song Contest.

There is as much chance of this skwerr go as Labour being converted to socialism.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/10/2008 06:09:19
#45 BTO

"Brown did an excellent job in the circumstances."

Browns economic miracle has been built on debt.

The UK now has over $10 Trillion in External Debt. That represents 20% of the Worlds Total.

With the Bailout and a now failing economy means that External Debt in 2008 will be 5 times GDP.

The UK is broke and Brown's Policies put it their.

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Geoff,

sa 16/10/2008 06:14:31
My eyes surely deceive me-is that not an Orange Sash around oor Alex's neck?

When thousands were bandied the Throne to cast down
The Protestants rallied and stood by the Crown! :)
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Geoff,

sa 16/10/2008 06:24:51
83 Joe-Kerr-a general comment-as with boom times,bust time values including debt are often not a reflection of reality. The Stock Market/Property lotteries rarely reflect true values. No doubt that at the peak of the boom,values were ridiculously inflated. Now companies and real estate are in general undervalued and the significance of paper debt is thus overstated.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 06:25:57
82 KampungHighlander
You frequently refer to UK external debt but there are aspects of this you are not considering.

This is not a net figure. Just as people or institutions overseas hold UK debt in say UK gilts, people and institutions in the UK hold debt of other countries. As many huge investment funds are held in the UK this will amount to a substantial amount.

Also, you have referred to the figure as 490% of GDP and used this to claim that the UK is broke but the figure for Ireland is 960% of GDP so if the UK is broke, what is the position of Ireland. Have you not mentioned Ireland as a sound economy. The reality is that the figure for Ireland is offset by financial assets in the same way as that for the UK.
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Geoff,

sa 16/10/2008 06:27:22
Yes Joe-you're on to me. But it would be funny to see the First minister in a bowler hat all the same. Incidentally altho I am an avowed Unionist,I am an admirer of AS all the same.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 06:29:43
82 KampungHighlander
PS Switzerland also has very high levels of external debt but its economy is strong. Again, because Switzerland, like the UK, has a large financial services industry this debt is offset by financial assets.
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Geoff,

sa 16/10/2008 06:31:09
On the subject, there is no doubt that Alex salmond is a gifted speaker and more personable than GB. As to substance though, it is always difficult to judge. Its much easier to love Sarah Palin than say Ross Perot, on a superficial level. But who would you have rather had as a CEO given the choice!?
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Geoff,

sa 16/10/2008 06:35:37
90 Joe-Kerr-tin hats might be more appropriate!
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Angleland Isover,

16/10/2008 06:58:56
No amount of disdain to Scotland from little britain will put of the we arny gid enuf voters.
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Andra, Dundee,

16/10/2008 07:02:33
Didn't know Salmond was standing for election in Glenrothes. I thought he already had 2 or 3 jobs (- and wages).
Or is this call just Salmond spin.
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Andra, Dundee,

16/10/2008 07:05:07
Anyone can be a good Prime Minister in good times. Thank goodness we have the Fifer in charge in these difficult times.
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Andra, Dundee,

16/10/2008 07:06:17
(That could be the first time I've said something good about a Fifer!)
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 07:08:50
Any word on the criminal investigation into alleged fraud and deceit by an ex Glasgow East MP??

I believe the sum of money involved is around £750,000!

Yes our champagne 'socialists' know how to enjoy the high life!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/10/2008 07:10:59
#87 & 89

Yes Ireland and Switzerland both have very high levels of External Debt to GDP.

Like Ireland and Switzerland a proportion of the UK debt can be explained as having a large financial services sector as part of your economy.

But where as a lot of Irelands and Switzerlands debt can be explained by their serving as an offshore jurisdiction and the kinds of structures used by companies to avoid tax, as you would expect also for the Channel Islands and Isle of Mann, in the UK and Ireland a very large part of that debt is secured by foreign debtholders holding paper on your domestic property market.

That is why Ireland and the UK will suffer disproportionately as the worlds economy deleverages.

Analysts are now predicting over 3 million unemployed and and a 40% drop in property prices by 2010.

With the cupboard bare by Browns use of Oil Revenue to pay daily expenditure rather than creating a rainy day fund, you are going to suffer very badly.

In fact bar Ireland and Iceland the UK is in the worst position of any country to weather this storm.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 07:14:36
Looks like the Far East stock markets don't think Comrade Broon has saved the world?

Mind you neither did I!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 07:20:44
Where will Comrade Broon get the money for all his financial master-strokes??
He'll borrow it!

Where will the money come from for Trident replacement??
It'll be borrowed!

Maybe from Norway??


Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 07:25:05
#106

You DO mean donkey??
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Richardinho,

16/10/2008 07:32:11
#106 Maybe you should look at the latest falls in the markets before proclaiming 'mission accomplished'.
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Ugly George,

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103 KampungHighlander
I am not disputing your analysis. I have never been a fan of Gordon Brown's handling of the economy and I agree that the level of debt (both public and private) is too high. The reason I mentioned the examples was to illustrate that the picture is not as dire as may be thought from the single figure of $10trillion.

"That is why Ireland and the UK will suffer disproportionately as the worlds economy deleverages"

Possibly so. It has been evident for a long time that our economy is too dependent on property prices though there never seems to be a shortage of foreigners seeking to buy Highland estates or luxury town houses in Kensington.
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Vote UKIP,

16/10/2008 07:42:29
I'd love to see them both in a debate with our Nigel Farage. Of course they daren't because Nigel will maul them with the truth!!!!
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Andra, Dundee,

16/10/2008 07:48:56
#101 Joe-kerr
I'm no troll. But since I'm no Nationalist I don't seem to have the right to free speach. I guess you are in line for Chief Camp Guard once Nationalism moves to the next stage. I hope I can make it out of the country before the roundup begins.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 07:49:08
Ooops thats 2 banks in Switzerland in trouble.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 07:51:56
Gordon Brown (the world saviour) will be getting a call no doubt to help sort out the Swiss Banking Crisis.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 08:03:38
I'm sure the Iraqi people will look on Comrade Broon as their saviour. Even though he helped devastate their country, they'll no doubt be shouting his praises as they try and get by living in their wrecked towns and cities brought to them by a tissue of lies.

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
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Andra, Dundee,

16/10/2008 08:08:35
Not heard much from Salmond for a day or two - he must be busy trying to repatriate Mary Queen of Scot's bones.
I think it's a great project for him - keeps him out of things where he could cause damage - a bit like getting a prisoner to sow mail bags.
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Andra, Dundee,

16/10/2008 08:09:54
#122 Herr Joe-Kerr,

"I rest my case"

Good - we'll hopefully not see you again until tomorrow.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 08:10:25
If Comrade Broon can't get by with reduced tax takes, due to the recession he has caused by his GROSS mismanagement of the economy, perhaps he could sell some gold reserves, use the oil reserve fund and if things get really tough, he could start a war against Iraq and steal their oil!!
He could always ask Blair for a sub!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

16/10/2008 08:18:45
Oh and whatever happened to Comrade Broon's "Britishness Day"?
There's me all ready with my Butchers Apron bunting, Rule Britannia T-shirts and Bulldog breeks ready to relive the glory days of the Empire!

Or was that yet another case of opening his mouth without thinking??

"Boom and Bust is over"!!
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Queen D,

Glasgow 16/10/2008 08:22:53
Don't you worry ,pet!
The SNP can multi task and think of more than two things at once.
I know it's a novel concept to supporters of other parties as they have never witnessed such a phenomenon before, but I know that the entire front and back bench SNP MSPs can cope with two ideas( and more )all at once !
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Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 08:23:09
The TV debate will be good if it goes ahead.

Gordon Brown the worlds economic saviour versus Alex Salmond, Mary Queen of Scots Bones Saviour.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/10/2008 08:27:28
Alex must be desperate! A debate with Brown is a cynical attempt to give himself and SNP credibility.

A debate amongst the actual candidates DOES make sense, though!
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/10/2008 08:43:09
Both the Tories and the SNP did make a mistake (albeit understandable) in agreeing to stop hostilities given the extent of the financial crisis.

This is a very common Labour tactic when things go badly wrong to immediately call for everyone to team up so that they can head off massive criticism for their role in the creation of the aforementioned mess.

Brown however couldn't even manage to keep this going for Labour and could not resist having a dig at the SNP (at the sametime as expecting everyone else to say nothing other than support the Labour Government). the result of course is that Alex Salmond has called off any truce (just in time for the SNP conference this weekend) and poor Gordon can expect a full broadside (using terms the warmonger will understand).

Once people hear the true story of Britain's true disaster, both in terms of the original crisis but also the true cost of the Saviour's rescue plan with hundreds of billions of MORE borrowed money squandered, hundreds of thousands of jobs lost, pensions destroyed, savings and shares wrecked then I forecast Brown will only be seen in the streets of Glenrothes if he is accompanied by tanks and what few members of the British Army that are left here after his exploits all over the world.

As far as a TV Debate with Alex Salmond is concerned there is NO chance of this happening. Salmond would destroy him in minutes and his case for the Union can best be made by relying on his fans with typewriters in the media who report verbatim the great Saviour's lies!
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famous 15,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 08:46:05
#131 It was not the candidates who broke the consensus it was PM Brown in his Union Jack underpants! More than ever in three hundred years Scotland needs Independence from the maw of the self serving Brits. Weaker together stronger apart is the answer if your "partner" is swallowing you whole! (Look closely at the thieving terms for the Scottish Banks)
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danielrober,

16/10/2008 08:53:51
THIS IS IT Alec.S, your moment of validation. Where you can prove YOU ARE the greatest SCOTSMAN. This is your moment in history, your moment of self actualization.

Enjoy it, its fleating. Just keep the bill down when you lose you head and starting spending Scotlands money.

Maybe you could have a statue made with your foot on the neck of Gordan. We could call it THE MOMENT - THE DEBATE. (nutter).

So apart from the crazy stuff (I'm only joking), has the SNP reached a point where the Conservative and Liberal Demcrates no longer exist as far as debates are concerned?
112

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 08:57:55
Since when has a sitting PM EVER debated with another party leader during the course of a by-election? That's the problem with Eck. Most of the time I think he's a competent, sensible First Minister. Then he goes and does something that a) makes him look a bit of a smug ers* and b)confirms him as just another tawdry, petty point-scoring politician.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 09:00:51
133 famous 15
"Look closely at the thieving terms for the Scottish Banks"

Some nationalist rhetoric really is reaching staggering lavels of ludicrous hysteria. £30bn or so of taxpayers maoney is being used to bail out the two banks and this is described as "thieving"
114

BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/10/2008 09:17:10
138
LeLutin
Thanks for the link, very interesting that journalists in the Washington Post can work out what Brown's game plan for Scotland is when none of our own seem able!
115

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 16/10/2008 09:17:18
Salmond sees the election slipping away from the SNP. The bookies' odds (which he pays great attention to) confirm this. And with the infamous Trump issue about to blow up again, Alex and the bookies could be right.
116

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 16/10/2008 09:17:43
#113 Ugly George

"there never seems to be a shortage of foreigners seeking to buy Highland estates or luxury town houses in Kensington"

That is not what created all this external debt. It is because all your mortgages that financed your housing boom got Securitised. When that was no longer possible, Northern Rock, Alliance and Leicester, Bradford and Bingley and HBOS where doomed.

With property prices expected to fall for the next 2 years that tap won't becoming on again, no matter how much Brown insists that lending return to 2007 levels.
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Alasdair,

16/10/2008 09:18:42
Dear David Maddox - I realise journalistic integrity is generally frowned upon in your workplace, and that you have the character of a weasel, but will make the attempt to correct your "accidental error" anyway:
A debate is no simply a "battle of personalities", it demonstrates competance and intelligence also. That is way Salmond desires a debate with Brown, and your typically pathetic "damning with small praise" never goes unnoticed.

Is this what you imagined life as a journalist would turn out like? I suspect you have lofty dreams of exposes and public-interest investigations.. instead you face a daily grind of hatchet jobs for the Hootsmon. I bet your parents are proud.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 09:20:27
141 KampungHighlander
Yes. I am aware of that. I just put the bit in about Highland estates etc. as a facetious afterthought.
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famous 15,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 09:25:19
#136 The terms for the Scottish banks is ruinous Ugly George, A pawnbroker would give a better deal. The interest rate for any "rescue" money used is 12%. Darling is literally a Bank Robber
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Mikey,

16/10/2008 09:31:08
So the onionist muppets show their true colours at last! Frustrated that they can't get a comment on Kris Boyd because they are sectarian, racist muppets, they try to intoduce the subject into a political debate. It's about time that BTO, Rufus, Gothenburg et al. got their own forum. Racists are us or something. How about posting with the rest of the uneducated at some BNP group? I'm sure you'd all be at home there.