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Unanswered questions over budget proposals



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Published Date: 06 September 2008
GORDON Brown's statement this week about Holyrood taking greater control over its budget has left many questions over what powers he envisaged being transferred.
The statement was, perhaps deliberately, vague.

"The Scottish Parliament is wholly accountable for the budget it spends, but not for the size of its budget," Mr Brown said. "And that budget is not linked to the success of the Scottish economy and
that's why we've asked Calman to look carefully at the financial accountability of the parliament."

On the surface it looks as though all he is doing is giving his blessing to the Calman Commission to beef up the Scottish Parliament's powers, with no particular view of what it might propose.

There are 24 categories of tax, of which 20 are collected by Westminster. And Mr Brown's speech has raised the issue of whether control of some major taxes could come to Holyrood, as both the SNP and Liberal Democrats want.

But Professor Arthur Midwinter, one of Scotland's leading economists, does not think it is possible.

"If you look at the (main] taxes – income, corporation, property and VAT – it is hard to see where powers could be moved," he said. "There could be a greater variation on income tax, maybe increasing it from 3p to 5p or 7p, but the Scottish Parliament never uses that anyway.

"It cannot have control of corporation tax because it would break European law to have two rates in one country. The same is true of VAT."

He says only smaller taxes, such as stamp duty – which raised £686 million out of £45 billion of total taxes in Scotland in 2006/07 – could be shifted.

The other possible change is that taxes raised in Scotland could be assigned to the Scottish budget as part of a renegotiation of the Barnett Formula. This would leave control in Westminster, but the actions of the Scottish Government would affect the amount raised through the growth of the economy.

Prof Midwinter is again sceptical and believes there will inevitably be an argument over the North Sea oil revenues, which are estimated at £15 billion this year

He said. "I don't see the UK government giving that to Scotland. I also think that it will only have a limited effect and there will still be a sizeable block grant from London."

It has been mooted by some commentators that the plan is intended to please the English by dismantling the Barnett Formula.

Professor David Bell of Stirling University, a member of the group taken on by the Calman Commission to look at greater fiscal autonomy, believes it is about bringing responsibility to Scotland.

"We are at a very early stage in our deliberations, but the idea

is that if the Scottish Government performs well and the economy grows, then revenue grows.

"If it performs badly then it decreases," he said.





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  • Last Updated: 05 September 2008 10:17 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 06/09/2008 00:25:19

Simple answer....

Bean has not got a single answer not for Scotland , not for the UK.

2

Alan Reid,

NZ 06/09/2008 00:57:28
Professor Arthur Midwinter:
"He says only smaller taxes, such as stamp duty – which raised £686 million out of £45 billion of total taxes in Scotland in 2006/07 – could be shifted"

So let me get this right, Scotland raised 45 Billion in taxes, which went to the UL treasury, and we got how much back in pocket money? AND we're told that Scotland is a parasite country thats feeds off England and, we're told that Scotland would be a third world country over night if we were independant???
Something does not add up!
3

danielrober,

06/09/2008 01:45:26
# 2

Dude you really need to lighten up. This is good news no matter which party you support. You know the song - Don't worry be happy. ;-)
4

terry osser,

morden 06/09/2008 04:51:40
how could £45 billion pounds of tax be raised in scotland? theres only 5 million people a fair number of whom do not work and a large number are employed by various govt agencies. where does the 45 billion come from. serious question--not taking the proverbial
5

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 06/09/2008 06:16:14
#5 Terry Osser:

Go to tinyurl.com/6m3w2t for a complete answer. Tax sources are explained there and listed in detail in Appendix A, with expenditures detailed in Appendix B.
6

GM,

06/09/2008 09:12:12
Leaving aside Professor Midwinter's reputation as a Labour stooge,

I think Gordon Brown has simply dug himself another hole.

He promises more tax raising powers but holds back on the detail, awaiting (we assume) the results of his own Calman commission.

Eventually, when th meat gets put on the bones, Scotland will still be 'granted' autonomy on one or two fiscal areas of little relevance...

and when *that* is exposed, old Gordon might just see a little more wrath of the Scottish people.


£50m (remind me?) was it we lost per day during the Grangemouth strike...

£50m a day!!! of money raised from a Scottish resource that goes straight to Westminster...

Just imagine the possibilities if this alone came to the scottish government directly for the use of our own small population of 5m!?!
7

Jwil,

06/09/2008 10:44:15
ther is enough obfuscation in the PM's statement for him to avoid doing anything serious about more powers. This is just another faint promise to fool the Glenrothes electorate into voting for Labour.
8

subrosa,

06/09/2008 11:33:15
'We are at a very early stage in our deliberations, but the idea
is that if the Scottish Government performs well and the economy grows, then revenue grows.
"If it performs badly then it decreases," he said.'

Ah so this is what they're up to. Give us a wee bit, not enough to have any proper control, but a wee bit. Then they can say to England that they've pacified the Scots.

Then, if we're naughtly and don't do what's best for England, they'll take away our funding.

This is pure nonsense. Nothing but total control of our country will do. We must stop being controlled in any way by our neighbours. We must start to show what we're made of and stop our continual acceptance of such Westminster attitudes.


9

lulach mac gille coemgain,

06/09/2008 12:34:55
Ahh well - Good News week . . . independence here we come !
10

MacGillicuddy,

06/09/2008 13:55:50
From the piece:
" The statement was, perhaps deliberately, vague."

Sounds about right for Broon and his war-mongering Liebour Party.
11

Vivas,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 14:38:06
Brown can promise all the sometime-never tax raising powers to Scotland that he wants ... he knows fine well that neither he nor Labour will be here to deliver them.
12

Finnzz,

06/09/2008 20:37:49
So all the Unionists still think that England finances Scotland, even with the oil revenue included.
All Brown has to do then is cancel the Barnet formulae and allow Scotland full fiscal autonomy.
He pleases his English masters and Scotland has the chance to prove their capabilities at running their own country.
Independance then becomes a certainty when the truth comes out about Westminster lies and thievery.
13

Active Sassenach,

Luton, England 07/09/2008 18:20:28
Could we not transfer more budget and budgetary power to Scotland if they gave certain undertakings?

For example, the much discussed oil revenues could go to Scotland provided the responsibility for defending Scotland rested wholly in Scotland. It should be obliged to have a foreign policy that actively promotes the EU and UN charters on Human Rights and requires it to stand up for them when required. So Scotland would have to pay towards the EU defence forces, Blue Helmets etc.

I would be happy to leave the Barnett Formula as it is and let Scotland spend it all. Provided, that is, they use it to support their own business investment, without distorting competition by tax policy so they just lure English business up there.

They would be forbidden to use any money to foster an economy based on the continued illusion of housing "wealth" to support retail sales.

I expect it would turn out to be tougher than some people imagine to provide all that the SNP would wish for Scotland and pay for it all by itself with no help from anyone. Especially if the rest of the presently United Kingdom was actively competing with Scotland instead of regarding it as part of the family.

 

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