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Financial fears lead to fewer births in Scotland



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Published Date:
07 December 2007
SCOTTISH women have fewer children than those elsewhere in the UK, researchers said yesterday.
Women north of the Border are more likely to stop at two children than those in England, and also leave longer gaps between their offspring.

The two-year study said the reasons behind the lower rate could include higher levels of deprivation, job
commitments and money worries.

Researchers from five Scottish universities carried out the research, funded by the Scottish Government and the Economic and Social Research Council.

The lower birth rates in Scotland are below the average needed to replace the population, the researchers said, and pose economic "challenges" in the years ahead.

It comes as concerns grow about the impact of Scotland's ageing population and the need to get more people of working age into the country to support an older community.

The study found that Scottish women did not necessarily want fewer children, but their circumstances meant this was how they ended up.

The researchers found that the ideal family size in the group of almost 800 people they questioned was 2.48 children. But in reality, the average number of children they had was 1.24.

The fertility rate for the whole of Scotland is 1.67 - compared to 1.9 in England. In 1964, the rate in Scotland was 3.09.

But while half of women in England had a second child within 3.2 years of their first, in Scottish women the gap was 3.5 years. The researchers said that the reasons behind the differing fertility rates were complex, but were not necessarily the result of Scots wanting fewer children.

They found that people chose to have smaller families for reasons that included levels of deprivation and the cost involved in having to give up work.

People who were more negative about the area in which they lived were likely to have fewer children than those in more affluent surroundings. Low crime levels and good schools were among factors that persuaded people to have more children.

The researchers also said Scottish women with medium or high levels of education were less likely than other groups, including English women, to have a third baby.

"Female employment seems to depress fertility generally, but well-educated Scottish women seem most likely to 'stop at two'," the researchers said.

Professor Frances Wasoff, from Edinburgh University, said: "A range of factors appear to have a bearing on fertility variations in Scotland. Low fertility in Scotland cannot be attributed in a simplistic way to people holding low fertility aspirations."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "Recent population projections have been optimistic, however, we must address the significant and long-term population decline."

CARE COSTS A DECIDER

SOMEHOW, a bit like the woman in the cartoon who declares: "I can't believe I forgot to have children", I find myself careering towards 40 having only had two when I really wanted three, writes Kirsty McLuckie.

Since having my second baby in 2001, the time has never seemed right to plan a third and I now have a life that doesn't seem to be able to accommodate any complications.

As a sometimes broody woman, I envy the couples who have a conventional work/childcare arrangement, meaning two children or three doesn't make a life-changing difference. But my husband and I share looking after the children, and a major part of what we do is made much easier because they are now at school all day.

Given decent affordable childcare we could have another child but without it one of us would have to give up work, because there is no way we could manage the few hours a week when our working lives overlap.

With the younger of mine just about to turn seven, I think it may be too late to start all over again.



The full article contains 646 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 06 December 2007 9:56 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Pregnancy and birth
 
1

Navvy,

07/12/2007 02:03:59

No worries, we have too many people already as evidenced by the lack of housing, the inadequate capacity of the roads and railways and our inability to feed ourselves.

If we need more we can invite some more east eurpoeans who do at least work and if the Inland Revenue and Home Office can engage first gear, pay taxes

2

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 07/12/2007 07:54:57

It's been a deliberate policy for a few decades now to hinder native women of this country to breed.

They have done this by feminist propaganda, making the pill et al freely available and keeping Scotland an economic desert unjustifiably.

Why have they done this? To create room for immigrants of course. The same immigrants that happily live 5 or so to a house and work for minimum wage.

In order to bolster the concept, they introduced laws to protect the immigrant, to castigate the normal white man and protect the non breeders such as homosexualists.

All this to keep Scotland free to be filled up with immigrants and refugees.

3

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 07/12/2007 08:32:22

#2 Er..that's the whole of the west, not just Scotland.

"In order to bolster the concept, they introduced laws to protect the immigrant, to castigate the normal white man and protect the non breeders such as homosexualists."

That was a joke right?

If not how is life back their in the 1950s?

How does this affect the nationalist's gloriousrose tinted vision of a world beating Scotland - doesn't exactly seem possible if there is no one left.

4

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 07/12/2007 08:47:43

Nick

Whatever.

There are plenty of people left, they are called immigrants. Immigrants to replace people, not new borns.

Try think out the box, if you can't, fek off.

5

wellwood,

ayr 07/12/2007 09:17:41

We have been fed this diet of falling population for years. Yet the only people that believe it is the Politicians.
Navvy#1, has put it so well.The provision of housing is at a critical level, our roads are jam packed and the pressure on essential services is worrying.
The solution from those in power is- bring more in, which is a recipe for disaster.

6

Jeff, Surrey,

07/12/2007 10:02:31

I should think a large part of the problem is men steering well clear of commitment and having children because if things do go wrong and the couple separate, they will be rogered something rotten by the divorce courts and have few rights to see their children.

7

Mikey,

07/12/2007 10:05:40

The problem is that the thinking people are not having kids coz they can't afford them.

The scumbags who rely on benefits will keep popping them out, one after the other and then demand that their benefits are raised.

8

G,

dundy 07/12/2007 10:41:17

#2 Your thesis seems to lack any evidence or understanding. If you are to forward a conspiracy theory it is unusual to name the conspirators..

I believe that there are two reasons for the falling birthrate

Men like you
and women like they have in Dundee......

9

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 07/12/2007 11:37:42

Contrary to your own theory, I have father 4 children thank you very much.

The evidence is all around i.e. a falling birth rate and the understanding is easy.

Now, the only reason the women in Dundee don't have kids is because of thick ugly b-tards like yourself.

Now shut it, if ye dinnae like the possibility that you have been manipulated forever.

10

Brad,

Glasgow 07/12/2007 11:43:00

It's not impossible to increase the birthrate among Scottish women - it has been done in France and Sweden. We also need to think about the cost of living: house-prices are too high, and if you want your kids to go to a "good school" (another issue), they're higher still. People who simply want a decent home and a good education for their children are being snared in the high cost/debt = need two full time incomes/can't take time out trap.

It sounds like women want to have the kids: let's remove the obstacles to doing that.

11

Uncontentedlittlemum,

Edin 07/12/2007 12:51:49

Costs are sadly always a factor in the decision to have more. I am expecting my 2nd child and dont want to go back to work but prob will have to - there are no benefits available for someone who has worked their whole lifes and paid taxes !! I dont think I can afford 3 lots of child care and I dont want big gaps!

12

Beermeister,

07/12/2007 16:18:40

#10. The reason the birthrates are up in countries like France and Sweden is their governments give them massive financial incentives to have children In this dump, there is no such thing and they seem to think the answer is to bus thousands of immigrants in, at little thought to what the long term effect of this will be on us and our kids in the future.

13

henrymanchester,

UK 07/12/2007 16:38:51

The reason birth rates are up in places like France and Sweden is mainly due to the huge influx of Muslim migrants in recent year.

If you want a good example go and see The Netherlands these days...it's about 50% migrants now.

Scotland should be proud of falling birth rates...it's a sign of quality over quantity.

Only the truly civilized seek to limit the size of their families through birth control methods.

14

Brad,

Glasgow 07/12/2007 17:10:35

You got the source of your facts, #13?

Falling birthrates are certainly nothing to be proud of. If nothign else, it means you'll die out in the end! And places that have declining and ageing populations tend not to hang onto their best and brightest (as Scotland often hasn't) - hardly quality over quantity.

15

Dougie - Edinburgh,

07/12/2007 17:33:21

White people in Scotland and England have a very similar birth-rate. The reason Scotland's overall birth-rate is lower than the rest of the UK is because relative to the rest of the UK, there are less ethnic minorities here. Pakistani born women in the UK for instance have an average of 4.7 children, three times the rate of the native population.

16

yockel,

07/12/2007 18:23:04

Any economic impact from a reducing population could easily be mitigated by transferring those in the public sector in to useful employment. Their current numbers are clearly indicative of a surplus population. There is no other explanation for their existence.

17

Eric D,

Belgium 07/12/2007 19:31:19

The Irish dont have this problem so there is nothing inevitable about it. Most of Europe have a far worse problem than we do , but the Italians and others ( Denmark, or Finland ) are not going down this route.The reason we're in this mess is a result of nulab's family hostile policies and sluggish economy( due to brain drain). There is no financial incentive for a woman to stay home rearing her children, and in fact rearing children is putting families off having a third child. What we should be doing is compensating the family for the financial loss ( and bringing back child allowance), but most of all promoting the family and family values, ie woman should not be forced out to work and staying home encouraged. Abortion laws should be brought into line with Europe, as we have the most liberal laws in Europe bar Sweden and the 3rd highest abortion rate ( something nobody should be proud of) . Graduates encouraged to stay, and for the sizeable dyaspora encentives offered for the return. The alternative laid out by professor Bell is a truly chilling scenario - proposing a net annual immigration of 20,000 from 3rd world countries. His (in my opinion correct ) analysis is that European migration will dry up by 2011 , and therefore immigrants are need from 3rd world ( which will be Pakistan, Iran, Iraq , Nigeria and to a lesser extend the orient). I believe his scenario will be counterproductive ( not to mention damaging),as there is evidence in England, Holland and Germany that emigration is a direct function of immigration - last year more people in Holland emigrated than migrated and emigration is England is rising. The real irony of this situation is that the UK Government through its new points sytem will filter out 3rd world unskilled immigration ( the very type Bell refers ). Salmond and SNP , have stated there is no upper limit for immigrants so if this country became independent they would almost certainly apply Bells'recommendations and the irony

18

Beermeister,

07/12/2007 20:22:29

#13. I take your point about muslims in France but there are not many in Sweden. Where did you pick up this about??

19

Eric D,

Glasgow 07/12/2007 23:42:49

No 18 - You are kidding aren't you. Sweden has proportionally more than Britain. 250k in a pop of 7m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html

20

Charles Linskaill,

Chairman for the 'Babies-Union' 08/12/2007 00:38:22

"Financial fears lead to fewer births in Scotland"
'ABSOLUTE NONSENSE'.......'END OF'

21

terry reed,

scotland 08/12/2007 04:08:02

As one of the childless, who missed their chance, anger wells up in me to see brown skin foriegn imigrants, surrounded by hoards of children, presumably their own. Where did I go wrong? Well my employer simply paid me youths' wages when I was of family creating age. I feel like one of the red squirrels, being pushed to the edge of our island by the more pushy greys.

Yes folks, we just lost our country, and continue to do so. Street by street. What invading armies failed to do, our inability to say "no", individual decisions of foreign migrants and employers' greed has achieved. It a perverse kind of eugenics, to actively encourage and support those whose genes will survive, while ours will not.

Every animal in the animal kingdom fights tooth and nail to have their genes represented to the max in the next generation. We red squirrels just tell the greys where are the best nut trees and warmest places for the winter, then go off to the margins and contracept ouslelves out of existance.

I am sure while many foreigners here, taking us for all they can get at the moment, laugh at us behind their hands today. In future, will their rising generation one day treat ours as white trash and actively persecute them in what was once their own country? Very likely, in my opinion.

22

Roballe,

Aberdeen 08/12/2007 04:46:05

Financial realities do play a part. There’s only so much money in the family pot - and you can do a lot more with just one or two kids than if your money’s spread across three or four. All of the ‘working class’ parents I know that have limited their output to a single child have been able to afford to educate junior privately (or buy a house in a good catchment area), send them to a decent university, and see their offspring established in a ‘professional’ occupation. If you’ve two or three, unless you are seriously wealthy, or the children are exceptionally smart, their future’s unlikely to add up to much. Like it or not, we live in a ‘global’ society; your kids will have to compete with the brightest and best (that are) arriving from around the world. If Scotland fails to attract the brightest and best, it will become a second rate country. The SNP appreciates this, so does Labour. Edinburgh and London are thriving because of the cosmopolitan nature of their residents.

If your kids fail to excel, they’re likely to be eclipsed in the jobs market by brighter, more hardworking migrants. And if your kids are ambitious, they’ll want to work and compete alongside these brighter imports, not the slackers or numpties. If they find themselves amongst colleagues that aren’t that sharp, the most capable will go south, or abroad, and seek a more dynamic environment. Eventually, Scotland will be left with companies and organisations that aren’t equipped to compete in international markets.

Finally, in these days of climate change it would be irresponsible to raise more than a couple of children. The planet has a finite amount of resources.

23

celticsnowdrop,

08/12/2007 10:27:06

imigrants have more rights than the local and I know as I have seen a local born and bred here of italian parents who speaks both english and italian who quite happily puts on the accent and broken english to get everything she wants.I know of young women here who have used their collage loans get get sterilised privately...........reason being they have decided that 10 years down the road there will be no white faces left in goverment.

24

Douglas,

Bathgate 08/12/2007 14:12:35

#23, wadda da fack ayou tock oboot. I no unnestan wot yoo meen.

25

Brad,

Glasgow 08/12/2007 17:33:01

#23, what nonsense. Are there ANY non-white faces at Holyrood? There are very few in Scotland's local government or at Westminster.

What exactly does this Italian parent get by putting on an Italian accent? I might try it myself.

26

Millie,

Edinburgh 08/12/2007 23:48:58

#13

Just a thought - why do you included Iraqis and Iranians in your projected immigrants rant? Not sure about Nigerians or Pakistanis but I have'nt noticed mass influx of Iraqis or Iranians. In fact they are not even allowing Iraqi translators who collaborated with the British and whose lives are possibly at risk because of it, free entry into the UK. You should really check your facts before you write such crap - and by the way, before our wonderful country destroyed Iraq, Iraq had the highest number of PhDs per capita of any country in the whole world. Surely you are a right racist by assuming that they would be unskilled.


 

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