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Published Date: 12 January 2009
By BRIAN FERGUSON
PRINCE Harry faced a barrage of criticism yesterday after video footage emerged of him using the term "Paki" about an army colleague.
He was forced to apologise after he was shown referring to an Asian member of his platoon as "our little Paki friend".

In the footage, filmed three years ago while he was a cadet at Sandhurst Military College, the prince is heard calling another officer cadet a "f****** raghead".

Politicians, race relations campaigners and Muslim leaders led criticism of the prince.

Despite earlier ruling out an inquiry, the Ministry of Defence said last night it would investigate Harry's remarks. A spokesman said his use of the word "Paki" would be looked at by his commanding officer in line with "normal army procedures".

The video shows Harry heading off on manoeuvres while an officer cadet at Sandhurst. The "Paki" remark comes as he joins other cadets gathering at an airport for a flight to Cyprus.

As he films one cadet lying on the departure lounge floor, he says, "How to admin yourself while waiting for the RAF to square you away". The camera then pans over other snoozing soldiers, with Harry saying "now that is bad admin, bad admin", before zooming in on the face of an Asian cadet. "Ah, our little Paki friend… Ahmed," he says.

Although the MoD has refused to confirm his identity, Ahmed is widely thought to be Ahmed Raza Khan, a Pakistani who won the award for the best overseas cadet at Sandhurst.

Mr Khan's uncle said, Iftakhar Raja, said: "At no time he told us that he was called Paki.

"I myself am a British subject. I am proud to be British and if someone called me Pakistani, I would be proud to be called that, but Paki is definitely a derogatory remark."

Mohammed Shafiq, director of Muslim youth organisation the Ramadan Foundation, said: "I am deeply shocked and saddened at Prince Harry's racism, which upsets and offends many British Asians."

David Cameron, the Tory leader, said the term "Paki" was "completely unacceptable", adding: "I think that it is important in the great institutions, whether it is the army or political parties, we to root out (such] attitudes."

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, said the remark had caused "considerable offence".

A statement from St James Palace said: "Prince Harry fully understands how offensive this term can be and is extremely sorry for any offence his words might cause.

"He used the term without any malice and as a nickname about a highly popular member of his platoon. There is no question that Prince Harry was in any way seeking to insult his friend."

Three years ago, the prince, who is third in line to the throne, had to apologise after wearing a swastika armband to a party.


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1

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 12/01/2009 01:08:33
PC gone barmy. It is not the word that is the problem.It is the method of delivery. Soldiers call one another horrendous names,why? Because they can, in the knowledge their mates will not take offence.To a squaddie they are almost terms of endearment.The names I was called alluded to a physical characteristic and a national identity. 99.9% of the time it was no problem at all.On the occasion it was delivered in a manner as an epithet,then and only then was it a problem. The guy was a Pakistani for God's sake, and P rats A re K eeping I nsisting (on blocking the word in the newspaper article.) is short for that. It is a slang word not a racialist one,unless delivered in an inappropriate manner.Would you be incensed were you called Scottie,Taffy,Paddy,etc.My army mates who would have died for me and vice-versa were a great close-knit bunch and could call me anything with impunity. It is perhaps time folk concentrated on the method of delivery than the word.ie "Kill all the Infidel" on a placard being screamed in your face is a wee bit different to someone saying with a smile on their face" Oh! you infidel are so funny".
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 12/01/2009 01:23:53
In days gone by the news was "Reported".Now it is NOT reported, but DISTORTED and misreported!
The Scotsman used the word and yet when we use it in response to the article it is banned.That does not even happen in China!!
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12/01/2009 01:44:29
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King Richard IV,

Brisbane 12/01/2009 03:29:39
Seems like Prince Harry will keep making the same blunders his Grandfather did,does and will continue to do.Royals have to get out more and meet new people other wise it all takes on that whole "Tasmaniac" atmosphere,where inbred tendencies can rear their ugly head.Whatever happened to all "Phill the Greeks" illigitimate off-spring? Has it all been swept under the Royal carpet again!
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Julian.,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 03:33:29
Dragonhead,

And how is this being distorted and misreported? In days gone by you wouldn't even be able to comment on this article. Also, bear in mind you are being censored by a privately owned website, hardly the same as government or other types of censorship.

I agree with most of your first point though. Surely it comes down to whether the soldier himself thought it was a racial insult. We've heard from everyone else including his uncle but the remark wasn't directed at any of them.



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Kingston,

Singapore 12/01/2009 04:16:42
The only apology should be from the British Pakistani's for not condemning the bombings in London and elsewher. The Mumbai killers were also Pakistani.

It is about time the British took offence at their treatment in their own country.

There is an eagerness to take offence. This is only to extract some advantage. In this case to attack the Royal family.
8

Julian.,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 04:49:13
#7,

And your evidence that he does not condemn the London bombings is....
9

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/01/2009 05:52:07
Harry has the same sentiments as his great-grandad Windsor's elder brother.
10

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/01/2009 05:55:36
3 - not so much lap dogs but ( as in the case of the current Middle east 'peace envoy-) r.slickers
11

Pocket Dictionary,

12/01/2009 06:55:11
Let's not forget, Harry has risked his life for his country in the bars and nightclubs around the world.

I'm fed up with the press reporting he has apologised - he hasn't. Some flunkey quickly issued a statement. Harry probably didn't even hear or read it before it was rushed out by the Royals PR lackeys. When he apologises in person at a press conference, then he has really apologised.
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Jonboy,

Inverness 12/01/2009 07:14:55
What does he have to apologise for? He simply used the abreviated form of Pakistani...

If he had said "little Pakistani friend" would you have been ok with that?
13

Jonboy,

Inverness 12/01/2009 07:15:27
What does he have to apologise for? He simply used the abreviated form of Pakistani...

If he had said "little Pakistani friend" would you have been ok with that?
14

Jonboy,

Inverness 12/01/2009 07:15:57
What does he have to apologise for? He simply used the abreviated form of Pakistani...

If he had said "little Pakistani friend" would you have been ok with that?
15

Navvy,

12/01/2009 07:17:47
big deal

show me snow white and I might believe that there is no one who has not used such a word.
In Glasgow it is a term of endearment
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Jonboy,

Inverness 12/01/2009 07:18:46
Sorry... Had a problem making this post - then 3 suddenly appeared...

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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 12/01/2009 07:26:09
Another example of the PC brigade distorting things out of all proportion.
Here in Azerbaijan the locals are referred to as Azeri.
Is this also a "derogatory" term ?

WHy should Harry (or anyone else for that matter) apologise for using the term referred to in the article, and that this newspaper refuses to allow posters to use, if the person it was used against took no offence to it being used ?

The UK is slowly but surely turning into a nation of apologists who are afraid to say anything for fear of upsetting ANYONE !!

It's funny how the P.C. Brigade, Muslim leaders and anti-racist campaigners are quick to take offence at anything they deem "derogatory" or "offensive" yet are strangely silent or refer to "freedom of speech" when the extremists are dishing out their "infidel" bile.

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whateverthename,

Avignon 12/01/2009 07:26:33
No sense of humour. I'm sure he'll keep a stiff upper lip and all that.
Do you think he was wearing his wee SS uniform when he came out with this new ditty.
Before the royals simply milked the land and kept their mouths shut. Now they give us an insight to what they really think. I blame it on the parents. (Maybe grand parents)
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Afromonkey,

Commander, PC Brigade, Republic of Leith 12/01/2009 07:45:46
Is it any wonder Scotland is a seething morass of ethnic discrimination and sectarianism when most of the posters here don't even know what is overtly racist and what isn't? Prince Harry is a privileged yah who has allegedly had the best of educations, yet still acts like a moron most of the time. Speaks volumes for in-breeding and the private school system.
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caithness,

12/01/2009 07:50:27
Some years ago I was working down south, got friendly with my co workers, drinks at the pub on Fridays etc. I was called Jock or Haggis Muncher, a Welsh guy was caleld Taffy and an Asian was called the above. These names weren't meant as insulting. Can't wait for the day when all this PC rubbish gets kicked back to America where it crawled out from.
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Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 12/01/2009 08:08:02
Racism is alive and well in this country from Downing Street to the BBC. How many times do we hear of the Anglo whatever agreement, army, workings or wars? Anglo means English and I am not English and I do not have an English passport. Racism is alive and well in this country.
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overton,

aberdeen 12/01/2009 08:08:53
20 Afromonkey,

Nice to see that you're no predjudiced atall!
24

wright,

london 12/01/2009 08:54:39
Does this mean that when we are called Jocks we can sue for making a racist remark.
25

Road to the isles,

12/01/2009 09:01:22
Unbelievable! So it's OK to take offence on behalf of someone else even if they don't? You have to think this is another media led and fed fake moral outrage.
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Farmernot,

12/01/2009 09:12:09
Whats the problem........I'm regailed with names like Haggis Hunter........Jimmy McJimmy........Gladys (when wearing the kilt in Engleterre) so I laugh it of ............Pc or not Pc that is the question
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Afromonkey,

12/01/2009 09:14:06
#23
Damn right I'm prejudiced - against an aristocratic, nazi loving buffoon who should take the silver spoon out of his big mouth before opening it. And #21 - people in England will call you 'smelly sock' before they use the term 'Jock'. Big difference if you ask me.
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Bruce's spider,

12/01/2009 09:18:03
Its a symptom of how awful the media are in this country that this has turned into a major news item. Has anyone ever spent time with any squaddies? well for the majority of news outlets who appear not to Harry's comments are mild. There has always been an element of gallows humour about soldiers and their language could be described as colourful but this has been the case for hundreds of years. How do people expect him to talk when he's around other soldiers, with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth? ditto name calling, its been around since time began. Does anybody doubt that Harry's been called A ginger bstard and other such terms since he's donned the uniform? God, just when you think this country can't get any worse it does.
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Andy 52,

Niddrie 12/01/2009 09:18:58
#21 Caithness: And what were the English called? If you don't have the bottle to stand up to the racists then that's your problem. Don't force your cowardice on us all. The remarks made by the wee prince boy are a disgrace and another reason for the declaration of an Independent Scottish Socialist Republic.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 12/01/2009 09:19:50
Surely to goodness The Sun didn't have to wait three years before publishing this story? Could they not just have made something up? There's people out there who'll believe it!
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loosehead,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 09:25:32
#25 Hooray Harry is an over-privileged, under-educated, irresponsible yob; by contrast, it`s worth noting that the gentleman he was referring to was the awarded the best overseas student prize at Sandhurst and has not himself complained. That said, I doubt if 1 in 10 of my colleagues in the Royal Air Force knew my real name - I was universally Jock. I served with Taffys, Paddys and others, who usually answered with an unpublishable (nowadays) verbal volley in kind. All was taken in the spirit of banter and nobody would have dreamt of complaining. It`s a sad, sad world.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 12/01/2009 09:27:08
This was repoerted last night on News at Ten and the newsreader said the full term 'Pki' (spell checker)
Does News at Ten now have to apologise?
The soldiers uncles was intervied and stated the full term 'Pki' Does he have to apologise?

What was the nick-name of Pat Bonner the exCeltic goalkeeper?
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 12/01/2009 09:27:50
I must confess to the same sin as whats his name. When the Pakistani grocers came into Scotland, not one of them told me that referring to himself as a (fill in any description you want, it has been clumped) was insulting. Mind you Pakistani is quite a long word and maybe a lot of folk could not pronounce it in one breath. I seem to remember that the less noble members of Great Britain were referred to as Jocks, Taffs, Paddys, and Poms (but only in Australia).
Those Pakistani's are a sensitive lot aren't they? Do you reckon we should worry about it?
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 12/01/2009 09:30:32
Just an addition, do you notice that Jock, Taff, Paddy and Pom are acceptable to the Scotsman's PC filter?
35

shivago8,

livingston 12/01/2009 09:32:22
Royalty appear to have words for everything,remember that failed marine Edward calling spectators "Grockles"
Look at the expletives used by his Grandad.
Harry should be booted out of the army,he is an embarrassment.
Wars have been put into motion for less.

Red Topped Harry is the orifice that can be found at his rear
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AJ Fife,

12/01/2009 09:34:58
Is Harry still here? Does he still have the Prince ticket? Shouldn't he be banished from the Kingdom to a far off land?

In the good old days the Royal family would've simply locked the unfortunate ginger prince in a tower, but I suppose with today's media, that is impossible. How the Queen must curse modernity.
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John S,

12/01/2009 09:38:53
#12 Jonboy, I agree.
P...:- It appears that it is ok to use the word P... between Pakistanis and that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it ?
N.....:- Usage by non-blacks, however, is almost invariably considered offensive. This term is generally derogatory when used by persons not of African descent (and sometimes when used by persons of African descent).
We have www. p....com plus other websites having the word p... in there url, just type p... into the search engine.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 09:44:01
A certain well-known expression concerning a mountain and a molehill comes to mind here...
39

Scythia,

12/01/2009 09:52:08
It's a storm in a teacup thanks to the manifestly politically correct,diversity-drunk BBC, aided and abetted by the jobsworths at the Race Industry.

Pity they didn't make such a fuss over the "Undecover mosques" programme, where "kill the kaffirs" was heard frequently, why not ?

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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:02:15
#43:

Probably because it not racism in the first place.
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Melly,

Dunblane 12/01/2009 10:05:58
I used to be consistently called "Jock" when living in the deep south, I called them "limeys". - we got on. The PC brigade want to get a life. Sticks and stones will break your bones, but names will never hort you.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 12/01/2009 10:07:07
The nationalist apologists are far worse than the daft prince.
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caithness,

12/01/2009 10:07:35
# 30. Sense of humour bypass evident here. Joking with your workmates in a pub on Friday night makes me a coward and racist? Please!
PS Like you, I long for the day when Tommy Sheridan is president in our glorious people's republic of Scotland - not!
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 12/01/2009 10:09:14
44

Daftie, a question for you: how would an Indian feel if he/she was called a P___?
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 10:10:31
43...Because they are not dark skinned and have probably never been called a "Pàki b*stard" or been told to get back to where they came from...even if its Leith Walk....

15..I am Glaswegian and I can assure you that the term "Pàki" has not lost its racially offensive connotations..to some it has become an acceptable part of our language, but to others it is still a word spat out with hatred and ignorance...

The Royals just keep putting their feet right in it...I say we swap them with the Royle family...they'd behave with more dignity....
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 10:11:56
38....Heh heh heh...nice one banjo boay......
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Alan B,

12/01/2009 10:14:45
Interesting that so many people try to excuse racism. Shows that the uk still has a serious racist problem where people think it is ok to insult others because of where they come from or the colour of their skin.

Harry should be made an example of and kicked out.

When people say it is just pc gone mad they should be honest. They think racism is acceptable. They think insulting and abusing others due to skin colour is acceptable.

It is interesting talking to friends that are of a different ethnic background and one of their biggest fears is the racist abuse their kids might suffer at school and how to avoid that, and whether their children will suffer the same abuse they did.


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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:18:32
#48:

Probably no different to how a New Zealander would feel if he/she was called an Aussie.

Start switching your brain into gear before you start hurling insults at me.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 12/01/2009 10:19:32
51

Alan B, for once I agree with you 100%. Well said.
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12/01/2009 10:26:37
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sam the god,

12/01/2009 10:37:10
canker where have you been? it is about 4 months since you have posted
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fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:44:09
load of heee hawww about nothing,the p word is a shortened version of pakistani,just like people calling us scots jock,scotty,etc yet everyday we see all the scots in westminster being racialy abused by english voters,wanting english mps only in posts
the bearded ones are the worst,they can stand on the street,proclaiming death and beheading to unbelievers
yet if we call them hamilton accies,r-heads etc they wail as if we had just robbed them
the whole world is racist im afraid,it was the likes of blairand his money grabbing wife,and all those right on socialists,who started all this rubbish pc nonsense
why we cant even say lie-bour without the middle bit n this forum
yet we have to put up with venomous anti scottish people like rufus,english flag etc
this only suits when they arent receiving it
biggest racist in scotland was harry lauer,he ripped his own people to bits,and cultivated the myth that scots were mean,and tightfisted
only to get a knighthood from the then throne,and a road named after him by the last labour lot,so they two faced about racist remarks,banned words like chin-ky(food to every scot,racism to labour)dark-ie,well if one is dark then this is a discription ,and pa-ki all banned by labour
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fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:46:09
#56 typo lauder
54

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 10:51:18
Agree with Alan B.

And no 15 it is NOT a word of endearment here. It is a racist word. Get real.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 10:51:51
55..Awrite Sam...you missed me them sunshine?...ach well no thit ye kin see ahm still aroon ye kin stoap squirmin in yer herry troosers...

Posting on this forum is not the sanest of occupations. Quite often one would find oneself in a catatonic trancelike state after gawping incredulously at the many lunatic ravings to be found here. I realised fearfully that I was merging with my computer and the entity known as "The Scotsman"..immediate detox and shock therapy were in order...ie closure of said computer and finding something else to do with one's time....

No I have not been committing acts of Animal Liberation Terrorism...well depends how you define it...s'ppose....
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 10:54:42
56...Dear "Fair" scunnered...and if you were to live in a country of predominantly blacks, had been on the receiving end of racism from them...then you would not object if you were to be called "Whitey"..with the usual 'b*astard' affectionate endearment tagged on at the end?
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The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 12/01/2009 10:56:05
Here's the situation as I see it. Its the British royal Family. Now, Britian is at "war" in Iraq and Afghanistan , and here we have the heir to the throne racially abusing those we are at "war" with.

Diplomacy at the highest level ?!

He's actually quite funny towards teh end of the video but this is just very stupid indeed.

If your mate down the pub says it, its still not good. If the heir to the british throne says it on Video and it ends up on Youtube, its embarrasing and frankly shoddy.
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The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 12/01/2009 10:58:27
56

Theres truth then there's truth.

It's not right for Harry to say this due to his position.

for the same reason it would be wrong for The Scotsman to headline an article :-

"Alex salmond is a wee c u nt". Even if thats what they think.

realise there are rules and laws of conduct for a reason.
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St Caledonia,

12/01/2009 11:00:55
The very muslim leaders who are leading the way in attacking the Prince's words are the most silent when it comes to condenming certain Imans for hate speech toward the West.
The same people who cry racism in this instance are the same people who deny Westerners their freedoms within Islam, freedoms that Muslims enjoy when they visit or reside in the West. Racism toward Westerners is rife in Islam and it happens on a daily basis, but goes unoticed.
Stories like this enrage people because racist accusations are not consistent. If a Pakistani person had called Harry a "whitey" it would mean nothing, in fact it would not make the papers. If Pakistani person taking part in a reality television show made a racist remark about a white person, there would be no outcry. If there was a "white music awards" the weekend after the very popular 'black music awards' there would absolute pandamonium.
If there was a "white lawyers association" designed along the same lines as the "black lawyers association" there would be hell to pay - We all know this to be the truth.
Perhaps the most frightening aspect of the news in the last 2 weeks is that we can comment on stories like this, but we are STILL BANNED on commenting on the conflict in Gaza, because freedom of speech is non existant, especially when it could offend Israel
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The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 12/01/2009 11:04:29
63 Its the British media who are leading the way in "attacking the princes words".
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AJ Fife,

12/01/2009 11:08:26
#63,

Harry looks the sort of lad who is no stranger to a whitey!

#50,

Hullo thair Canky.You been releasing wee lab monkeys again?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 12/01/2009 11:08:48
Everyone in the forces is busy laughing at the PC clueless civvies.
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westview,

Scotland, the land of my birth. 12/01/2009 11:11:16
Just as long as they do not call me English. Now THAT is offensive.
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St Caledonia,

12/01/2009 11:11:17
The Leith Cowboy

Of course it is - it's a story when a white person makes a racist remark, it's nothing when it's the other way around -
And the Muslim clerics and community leaders who are reacting are hypocrites of the highest order.
But as I have stated, the most worrying factor is not Harry's words, it is the fact that we are banned from commenting on ALL stories about Gaza - that in itself is an absolutely terrying fact because it reminds us that we must always be gagged when Israel is involved in something unsavoury.
We cannot have people posting anti Israeli messages, that cannot be tolerated.
Harry's words are an insignificance by comparison to the real issues we face in this world.
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picasso,

Stirling 12/01/2009 11:14:10
I think most people refer to their local Pakistani run grocer shop as the Pak* shop, but certainly not meaning to be insulting.
Remember way back everyone used to call the local Italian run cafe and chip shop the Tallys!
In the village I lived in there was Johnny the Pole, Jimmy the Tally, and Margaret the butcher!
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 11:17:37
Awrite banjo boay...nah nah ...releasin some dugs fae cages...poor beggars are slaverin mad an chokin fir freedom....even if its temporary...

Harry eh?...'e probably jist wants tae be left alane tae git oan wae it...problem is 'e firgets 'es allegedly royalty and at the mercy o' the media and the paps...
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Derek Williams,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 11:22:18
This issue gave me pause for thought. It is true that all sorts of abusive terms can be used as endearments, or by members of a stigmatised minority amongst themselves, or publicly against themselves as a means of robbing the epithet of its power. Some of the most unrepeatable Jewish jokes have been told to me by Jewish friends.

Having said that, I doubt I'd ever be called "our little faggy friend" by even the closest comrade. The fact that the soldier thus nicknamed did not complain probably indicates that he did not take offence, but it is possible he may have chosen not to in order to escape peer opprobrium.

I do wonder what the phrase would sound like with the P word removed, "our little friend" - could that be seen as demeaning to short people? Alternatively, could a still furhter shortened "our friend" be deemed presumptuous because Harry didn't check with everyone first to ensure that the solder really was "their" friend? Looking deeper still, was the word 'friend' being used ironically? Such a sociologically exacting examination is surely ridiculous given the age of the video and the social environment in which the word was said in this case.

I very much doubt whether Harry's spur of the moment banter connotes anything other than genuine mateship and affection. If Harry truly were a racist, we'd have known long ago. The real reason I think this matter has had such airplay is that Harry's fame guaranteed it press coverage and subsequent newspaper sales; moreover it handed politicians and divers notorieties another chance to distract public attention from their own performance.
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AJ Fife,

12/01/2009 11:28:09
Canky,

Harry's antics have more than a whiff o' Phil the Greek aboot them.

What chance does this, highly debatable, member of the Royal family actually have? Maybe they keep the DNA tests at bay, cos he makes Prince Wullie look good.
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Al Pacino,

12/01/2009 11:39:13
Is it really such a big deal? A young man with a loose tongue said something daft. Surprised? Interesting to see how many people want to score PC points now by attacking the boy, his upbringing, his culture etc... We're all prejudiced regarding race, but usually try not to offend. He was a dozy twit, he's sorry. That's enough for me. He didn't rape anyone, didn't kidnap anyone and didn't blow anyone up in the name of religion. Can we move on please to talking about Edinburgh's trams again?
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 12/01/2009 11:40:27
It is wrong to call Harry a pronce or Royal as these terms may be considered offensive by some minorities who are excluded
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 11:47:22
72...Aye well...the grandfaither probably sat 'im oan 'es knee and said "Right son noo listen tae yer grand-daddy cos this is how it is"....of course the boay wid be scoarin points wae the aul fella by repeating 'es 'fit in gob' jibes...

Like I say...if Harry were an ordinary citizen we would hear nothing about it...but he is not and now knows that he needs to zip it...

74..Whits a "Pronce"...is that a cross between a prince an a ponce?
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E1izabeth,

Inverclyde 12/01/2009 11:49:34
This is as bad as using the n word and it appears like harry is no stranger to using this term loosely, in fact I believe he probably uses the word regularly in conversation among friends or family or even both.
Not only this, he was also heard referring to someone as a raghead in the video & lets not forget he dressed up in a nazi uniform.

He should be stripped of his title for setting such a bad example.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 12/01/2009 11:56:21
There is a perception that only white people are racist.
Adi Amin put out all the Uganda Asians.
Adi Amin also exterminated many who were not from his own tribe.
And there is the current trouble in Somalia . . . . .
Won’t mention Mugabe . . . .
India and Pakistan rumble against each other on a regular basis. It was better when the British ruled them before 1948.
74

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 11:59:36
77..What does this have to do with the price of cheese?
75

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:12:16
#56:

"...yet if we call them hamilton accies,r-heads etc they wail as if we had just robbed them"

Actually, they don't. The people who wail and rant about it are usually NOT Hamilton-Accies or Rag Heads. They are generally white, middle-class do-gooders with a large axe, a grinding wheel and too much time on their hands.

Like has been mentioned here, Scots often get called "Jock", the Welsh get called "Taff", the English get call "Limey" or "Pom", the Americans get called "Yankie", the Irish get called "Paddy", New Zealanders get called "Kiwi" and Australians get called "Oz" or "Aussie".

All of these terms are perfectly acceptable. What then is the problem with calling a Pakistani "P**i"? Provided it is not done with malice or in an offensive way, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
76

Big Carbon Footprint,

East Lothian 12/01/2009 12:24:43
Firstly hello all, I have no great love for this individual he is a very immature person who needs a good kick up the bum, the spoilt brat that he is however,

What gets up my nose is when ever a debate is opened on the muslim question these individuals go absolutely wild, any one who was in London over the weekend would have seen first hand what horrible levels of hate many of these people have towards not just the Jewish community but the rest of us 'infidels'

I fully agree with previous posts that the muslim element in the Country would draw alot more understanding if they showed condemnation of the many muslim attacks happening worldwide, currently it is always one sided.
Would the mythical 'moderate' muslim please stand up

Until then we can only label them all as freedom haters who are intolerant of all others, it really does make a mockery of the One Scotland campaign when we are told to be tolerant to others but it's ok for these others to call for murder and public mayhem.
77

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:28:04
#80
sssshhhhh dont mention the middle class,as this paper fawns over them,youll have the fib dems after you along with the pc police
just by calling a spade a spade a bloody war of gobsh!te appears from the appeasers,so its ok to hack off a white mans head,threaten people for exercising free speech(unless its about isreal)
all because they dont pray the way the bearded ones do
if i was offended by bearded ones ,i would get no help in denouncing them
yet i call them ragheads and all hell breaks loose
yep the worlds gone to hell,so all you middle class hand wringers,all the whinny joes you can stick yer pc rubbish up yer satanic verses
78

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 12:28:25
81...Please replace "We can only label them" with "I can only label them"

And what exactly is "The Muslim Question?"
79

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 12:29:55
82..Cause and effect mate.
80

Big Carbon Footprint,

East Lothian 12/01/2009 12:30:45
Post 80
I would say you are spot on, I've never heard people from the ethnic groups saying they are offended by Christmas etc, it's always from as you say the White Middle Class do-gooders who have far too much time on their hands.
However from this I would hope that someone from the group in question would stand up and say, 'no we are not offended, but we are offended by those who seek to say we are'!!!!!
81

Arrow,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:32:02
so it's all right if Muslims call non-muslims "Kaffirs"? i do not beleive that the terms is meant with any degree of affection and they do tend to use it when speaking in their own language so us Kaffirs do not twig. i do beleive that it will be a cold day in Hell before any of the PC brigade will critise them. as for the British protestor throwing shoes: is this to show solidarity with the oppressive regimes in the Middle East like they did with Arafat who swanned out with millions of dollars stolen from his own people. i'll bet they are shoes nicked from shops and noy their own. at least the journalist who chucked shoes at Bush used his own.
82

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 12/01/2009 12:34:55
for gods sake it is p[olite compared to what uor dear friends from across the sea call us . whether you claim to be aBritish Citizen or not.P..S OFF back to where you acame from.and stop bringing our country back onto th 18th Century from whence you came
83

Big Carbon Footprint,

East Lothian 12/01/2009 12:35:13
83,
The muslim question in my book is how to integrate into a peaceful society and make positive contributions.

and no I will not replace my choice of words, it's not my fault your head has been buried in the sand these past few years.
84

Arrow,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:36:48
i meant to add that references to Hamilton accies is offensive to me as a supporter of Hamilton Academicals (aka Hamilton Awfycomicals).
85

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:38:55
Manufactured story, manufactured outrage.
86

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 12:45:27
Why is Harry Hewitt still in the army today? How long can it take to kick out a racist bigot?
87

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:46:15
ja a big seig heil to zat
88

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:48:43
#91 like jilted john sang in the 70s "GORDON IS A MORON,GORDON IS A MORON"
like you said hes just proved it
89

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:53:07
instead of arguing about the princes choice of words,how about asking your mp why "its not in the public interest,to state why ,scotlands marine boundery ,was moved from berwick to arbroath,thus making the sea from berwick to arbroath come under english courts of law"

http://www.oilofscotland.org/scottish_politics.html#Scotlands_marine_boundries
90

Cringing Jock,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 13:02:08
21# cathness

What did you call the English, then?

91

Bejjy,

12/01/2009 13:34:48
Harry has nothing to apologise for. What is wrong with these people; if they don't like the way we speak or the way we lead our lifes why do they want to live here? If you don't like a place you move somewhere else.
92

greenhill,

12/01/2009 13:37:47
RE Navvy,12/01/2009 07:17:47


It was a term of endearment in Glasgow but the PC brigade redefined the word long ago. It also denoted superiority when used in conjunction with the word shop.

The fact is that if you tell a big lie and keep on repeating it over and over the lie becomes "truth".
Now I would tend to avoid using the word.

PC people love to be pompous and easily buy into half baked theories on the subject of race and racism.They really enjoy playing the hurt feelings card on behalf of others.

Real racism is distinct bias where people are excluded,restricted and prevented in various ways and also subjected to abuse and violence.

"P@ki" can and has often been used in an abusive context but it is not a racist word.

93

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 13:45:17
I'm fairly willing to bet that none of the people on here who say pak.i is an inoffensive word are of pakistani origin. I'm 43 and I never remember pak.i being a term of endearment, I remember it as being a racially derogative term used to demean people. It still is. There is nothing politically correct about expecting a man who is third in line to the throne, and who is serving in the British Army, to avoid calling people pak'is and ragheads, particularly not when he is serving in an Army which has invaded two muslim countries. It is just common bloody sense.
94

sam the god,

12/01/2009 13:50:57
canker

so it is care in the community time is it?
95

Silence of the Yams,

12/01/2009 14:05:33
What is so special about Pakistan that cannot have it's name shortened to decribe nationals or people of that origin? Tell me another nation where the same standard apply's?

PC do gooders be gone!
96

greenhill,

12/01/2009 14:06:30
Re Observer.You are talking nonesense I am also 43.It is just a word. You could easily substitute the word Pakistani and surround it by abuse. The problem is not the word itself, the real problem is disrespect to Pakistanis.To quote the businessman Abdul Rahim who sells clothes under the brand P@K1

"The word has been misappropriated by the racists, and our elders, white society and the media have allowed them to do so. The racists hijacked this word and the power and confidence is with them. I want that power and confidence back with us."


97

lulach mac gille coemgain,

12/01/2009 14:14:54
Jocks n Paddys an aw an aw !
98

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 14:17:46
102 Eh ? yes I agree the problem is the use of the word is disrespectful to Pakistanis. When it stops being disrespectful then it will stop being offensive.
99

Silence of the Yams,

12/01/2009 14:20:47
#102, Pakistani's use the word themselves!

IMO this is all about Islamic sensitivity and fear of the extreme violence that this medieval religion creates. We saw it in 1989 with Salman Rushdie and we've seen it several times since.
100

Class On Grass,

Saxon ach 12/01/2009 14:24:57
96 CJ,
Just what I was thinking - derogatory terms for all other nations seem to be part of the Percy's makeup...
Not ours though. Can we think of any other derogatory terms for the Little Ingerlunders?

101

Class On Grass,

Far from Saxony 12/01/2009 14:31:49

I wonder, are the only chins in england (Little E) chinese?
102

Number 6,

Germany 12/01/2009 14:32:22
The next time someone refers to me as a Scot should I

foam at the mouth and sue for racist taunts because they did not address me as a Scotsman?

What about "Jock" good ? bad ? or is it not possible to be racist against a white man ?.

Complete politically correct drivel, all courtesty of the Labour party (Never forget that).
103

greenhill,

12/01/2009 14:32:53
RE Observer,,Glasgow 12/01/2009 14:17:46

You are being disingenuous. We do not agree.I was talking about the use of the word not the word itself.Tone of voice can come into this: think of the word "British" being uttered in a proud manner by a British Tory or a bitter manner by a supporter of Irish Republicanism.

The use of the word P@KI per-se is not disrespectful to Pakistanis. It is in the mindset of those who use it in a derogatory manner: a matter of personal choice.A person can use the word Pakistani in an abusive manner or a positive manner. The same goes for P@ki.
104

Independent,

USA 12/01/2009 14:38:23
Oh, for the love of God. Leave this young man alone.

In the tape he goes on to make fun of his family and himself. This is the way troops talk. Get used to it or go out and fight your own battles.

105

greenhill,

12/01/2009 14:45:25
RE Independent,USA 12/01/2009 14:38:23

The guy was sticking two fingers up at political correctness big time.He was even sarcastic about British history and the current monarchy.I am a republican but I respect him.

PC people are as thick as two planks.
106

Ofner,

Scotland 12/01/2009 14:49:40
Successive British Governments have being carrying out a successful programme of constructive genocide by replacing the indigenoius white population of Britain with people from Africa and Asia. This constructive genocide began in earnest in 1948 with the arrival of the Emperor Windrush carrying settlers from the Carribean. They barely got off the boat and were alraedy crying racist at the first white person they saw.

According to Government Stats Leceister will, in 5 years, have a non-white majority, Birmingham will have a Muslim majority in ten. Each new generation born here has a stronger hate for what is left of the white indigenous races of this land. This hate was expressed in 7/7 and other hate filled attacks. In time, those of us that are left will be restricted to areas like Gaza.

Increasingly, you are going to hear louder and more numerous voices accusing whites of "Racism". This is an assertation of the conquerors over the vanquished, in time you will not be able to glance at anyone of colour without an accusation being made. We did not offer even token resistance to the successive Britsh Governments implimentation of their constructive Genocide programmes now we have to accept and grasp the foot while prostrated in suplication to our overlords and accept our ultimate extinction!

The weapons of conquest were: Racism, diversity, equal opportunities (euphemism for go to the back of the que, your superiors get first choice) Oh, and the proscription of the whites right to protest.
107

Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 12/01/2009 14:58:06
It's taken athiests who probably advertise on busses probably off the main hit list
108

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 15:07:39
I see there is still no answer to my question: why is the self-proclaimed racist bigot Harry Hewitt still in the army?
109

steve52,

Kinfauns 12/01/2009 15:08:49
Load of rubbish. Oh aye the PC mob will jump on the band waggon.

My son works in that there Engerland and they call him JOCK....so is that racist?
110

Helivet333,

Marlboro, New Jersey, USA. 12/01/2009 15:14:10
My Goodness, where will PC end? Army buddies teasing each other isn't racism, it's an age old tradition and is always accepted in good spirit. I know the Royals are lambasted at every turn by the UK press but they need to employ their sense of humor on occasions when it's required.
111

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 15:24:41
#116 There is nothing funny or correct about a few trumped up silver-spoon-in-their-mouths tax-payer funded parasitic and ungrateful snobs insulting ordinary decent people.
112

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 15:29:34
#98:

"The fact is that if you tell a big lie and keep on repeating it over and over the lie becomes "truth".

Absolutely! This fact was noted by Goebbels and was not only put to use by the Nazis, it has also been in widespread use by the stupid labour government of today.

The principle has been used to justify speed cameras, anti-car measures, political correctness, the global warming myth and of course the smoking ban---and that's just the things that come to mind straight away. No doubt there are many more.

In short, its called propaganda... And it is killing the country!
113

Bejjy,

12/01/2009 15:41:35
#114 & #117

Go crawl under a stone you pathetic little nobody. Harry Windsor is a valued, competent and trustworthy British army officer who, unlike nonentites like you, is admired by the people of the UK. What are your credentials and what have you done for your country? Oh, have crawled back to where you belong yet?
114

loupgarous,

Denver, Colorado, USA 12/01/2009 15:51:12
Request to the person who broke this story - please come back when you have a serious complaint to make about HRH Harry. He called another member of a military organization to which he belonged a "P--i." Big deal.

A term under which I often post on the Internet is "coonass," a term which refers to French-Americans from Louisiana. It's probably not a totally polite term, but it's one which is often used for people of my ethnic background in the US military, or in the workplace, or in drinking establishments... in other words, everywhere people are expected to show a sense of humor. I certainly wouldn't expect a controversy to arise because someone called me a "coonass."

I am gratified that the man to whom Prince Harry was referring in the video chose not to complain about the remark. If we're ever going to emerge from the climate of synthetic outrage which accounts for 99 percent of the lawsuits filed over things like this, it'll be because everyone involved has chosen to grow up.

I do notice that many people of Pakistani citizenship or background refer to themselves as "P---s," so it can't be a completely bad thing to say. But the people who do this are probably, again, grown-ups.

As opposed to the people have blocked me from posting the word "P--i" just now.
115

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

12/01/2009 15:54:22
If abbreviations are now considered racist, should I have an attack of indignation when someone calls me a "Brit"?
116

Libertarian!,

12/01/2009 16:34:13
Can someone please enlghten me as to who initially decided in calling my Scottish ancestors and my self in particular, 'Jock'? Having served during most of the Second World War and my late father during the First World War. we found Englishmen in particular, always were soon in finding demeaning terms for any one not English, BUT, never one for themselves.
In mmy young days, Jock was the Scottish for those named John and NEVER for any other reason! If I dared listed on this forum some of the many most disgusting terms used in my life time too describe those not English, I would be immediately incarcerated for a lenghty spell in one off HM Elizabeth the 1st of Scotland's 'hotels!
117

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 16:42:55
#119 Are you'd be the inevitable little BNP supporter who's got all enraged on his armchair? The "if I find out who you are I'll 'av you brigade"? with your cheap export lager and your broken bottle. Nice.

I've done far more for my country than loud-mouthed sad little BNP bully boys who think it's okay to demean anybody without white skin and who wear army surplus, bovver boots and a skin head hair cut.

No doubt Harry Hewitt would love to be in the BNP - judging by the bile that comes out of his own mouth and the Nazi uniforms he likes to wear.

You all look pretty sad and Harry should just get chucked out with a dishonourable discharge.
118

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 16:48:57
#119 and while people who think like you are waving English flags from their council house windows and strapping on bovver boots for a night's gay bashing with their equally loveable chums, take another look at Harry Hewitt's little photo shoot in the "warzone". He clearly doesn't even know one end of his machine gun from the other.
119

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 16:55:23
Have a look at this thread. Some of the mud-slinging that is going on between some of the contributors pales whatever Harry may have said into insignificance.

Harry's was a throwaway remark made in the heat of the moment when he was under stress during an exercise. What you see on these pages is cold, calculated insulting where the people concerned have plenty of time to hone their prose to be a pointed and cutting as possible.

Go figure...
120

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 17:00:36
#125 Harry "was under stress during an exercise". Yes, it looked stressful with everybody snoring on the floor in an airport lounge. But when you are used to first class travel and groupies I suppose it would be.
121

sigholm,

ayrshire 12/01/2009 17:06:07
Never fear Harry, the majority of the country (that matters) are with you.
122

Bejjy,

12/01/2009 17:06:14
#124 & #125

You are in need of emergency psychiatric assessment and tratment. You can rant as much as you like, I still stand by my opinion that you are a nonentity who, unlike Harry Windsor, is not admired by or has done anything his fellow country men. And by the way, I am a SNP supporter who entertains the idea of independence; what I don't want in an indepedent Scotland is total idiots like you so begone to under the stone from whence you came.
123

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:07:39
125 No no no. He videoed it himself. He made the video he is responsible for what he said in it. He made it for his own and his friends entertainment. He was also quoted as saying that all was good in the ''Empire'' several times. Why are people making excuses for this racist pr@t ? I repeat what I said earlier, I am willing to bet not one contributor to this thread who is making light of this issue comes from an ethnic minority themselves - and you know I am right.
124

Bejjy,

12/01/2009 17:12:16
#126

Your life is probably not as everybody else knows it. Are you where you belong yet?

#127

Well said sigholm; its only complete twanks like the nonentity at @114, 117, 123 & 124 who haven't got the intelligence to see it.
125

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 12/01/2009 17:12:57
I wonder who the lowlife was that sold the tape to the News of the World ?
Jocks, yanks,noggies,taffs etc is ok but if you are black or asian then it is racist!!!
These people need to get a life or go back from whence they came. We have always had nicknames for various people and will continue to do so.
These PC numpties really need to get a grip on reality.
126

It's life but not as we know it,

12/01/2009 17:15:10
#129 you are 100% right. Poor little #128 is so wound up now that I fear he'll trip over his bovver boot shoelaces while running to his export-lager filled fridge. Then he can put his little Nintendo set on and pretend to be Big Prince Harry, Champion of the British Empire and Slaughterer of P*kis and Ragheads Everywhere.

What an image.
127

greenhill,

12/01/2009 17:18:46
RE Observer,,Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:07:39



"all was good in the Empire' " that was obvious sarcasm. He also made remarks about the Queen and the health of her Corgis.

You are such a PC fake:he was not being serious.

Shame on you
128

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 17:20:27
#128:

I think you directed your acid comment at the wrong bloke. I'm not slagging Harry off.

I'm attacking the idiots who are knee-jerking all over the place about it.

"Oh! You can't say THAT word!!! I'mm going to tell mummy!!"

For christs sake, grow up the lot of you.
129

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/01/2009 17:22:49
"Haven't we had enough of those sausage-eatin b*****ds on the throne from George the Elector to that flatulent ould b*tch that's dead ? "

James Joyce - "Ulysses"
130

Dunfesterin,

12/01/2009 17:23:17
So let me get this right:

Scotsmen are Scots
Swedish are Swedes
Germans are Krauts
French are frogs

But you cannot use the abbreviation for Pakistani, but the others are acceptable?

I'm damned if I'm going to selectively apply rules just because a MINORITY cries about them. If they don't like being called pkis then they can stop calling us Kaffirs, Infidels, Spooks, Honkies, Whiteys etc.

I also don't like the fact they don't try a fackin leg to integrate with us as well, how many of you "whiteys" on here have Pakistani friends? Thought so
131

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/01/2009 17:24:46
128 - Harry Windsor is admired ? By daft teenage lassies no doubt.
132

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 17:25:45
#134 Harry Hewitt can call anybody whatever he likes and he knows it. Tomorrow, you go find an asian colleague in your work place and call them a P*ki and then call an Arab a raghead in front of witnesses. See how long you last. Good luck.
133

Dunfesterin,

12/01/2009 17:26:03
And furthermore before the pro-BNP accusations come flying in, may I add I have Chinese and Indian, and even ENGLISH (gasp!) friends.

The Indians call the pakistanis worse than Harry, I know that for a fact.....
134

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 17:27:57
88...Let me ask you this...prior to 9/11 and the bombings in London...just why were you not asking the "Muslim question" then?...why is it a problem now?

I'd rather have my head in the sand than somewhere else covered in the brown stuff mate...know whit ah mean?

Sam old bean...got it in one sunshine...been out there doing stuff for our furry friends in the community. Did you know, that in China they suspend dogs by the neck until they slowly die of strangulation (if they are lucky) before they skin them. However a large proportion of these dogs, puppies, cats and kittens have the skin torn from them whilst they are still alive and gasping for air? Rabbits in fur farms are treated equally atrociouslly before they are killed...PETA has filmed them screaming in agony...dog and cat fur is being used as fur trim on parkas, coats, gloves and scarves etc..it is being sold as "Wolf" or "Faux" I believe they are now using the skin too to make jackets and accessories...repulsive..

They have to kill a whole bear to make one hat for auld Lizzy's guards...and dont they just look absolutely bliddy ridiculous....seriously...
135

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:28:21
133 Of course he wasn't being serious, he doesn't know what that word means. In his position he should. He's an ignorant little racist who was brought up with a silver spoon in his mouth and thinks Britain rules the waves. Empire Loyalists can line up and support him if they want, but count me out.
136

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/01/2009 17:29:04
127 - "particularily when your staggerin oot a night club, p*ssed as a newt, tryin to do an imitaion of Frank Macavenie"
137

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 17:29:31
136...Who called you that to your face mate?

I think you are telling fibs.
138

Pilrig,

Livingston 12/01/2009 17:30:03
139 - Harry Pakistani ?
139

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 17:31:42
#141 I also want the racist Mr Harry Hewitt prosecuted for dropping litter - as on the video in the News of The World he can clearly be seen throwing a cigarette onto the ground.
140

greenhill,

12/01/2009 17:34:02
Observer,,Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:28:21

You talk rubbish. His remarks about empire were obviously irreverent as were the rest of his comments. You really are willfully stupid.
141

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:39:00
147 Yes I agreed with you earlier that he was a tube, or irreverant as you call him. But when I'm having a laugh with my pals I don't ususally have one about pak.is, ragheads, and the British Empire.

142

Dunfesterin,

12/01/2009 17:40:05
Horrible W.anker - where did I say they called me it to my face?? Can you not read? Suffice to say I used to live in Pollokshields and GovanHill...

Do you run around with a mad squad of pakistanis in the Livi "designer" centre or something?

I think you are a c.ock but I can't prove it either so we'll agree to differ shall we?

143

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:42:34
149 when was that then ? Because I've lived in that area for the past 43 years give or take a few, and I have never been called any of these names. Stop making things up. If you want to be racist - be an honest racist.
144

greenhill,

12/01/2009 17:51:44
RE Observer,,Glasgow 12/01/2009 17:39:00

Well he had a go at the whole lot without fear nor favour. If we take all the comments together then we can see no serious partiality :We have a young man giving the finger to all kinds of PC Bull$hit in a over the top youthfull manner.

I have no bias,I want to see the end to the monarchy but this is not an oppertunity for royal bashing.
145

Libertarian!,

12/01/2009 17:56:36
115# I HAVE LIVED THE BEST PART OF MY LIFE DOWN SOUTH, MARRIED A LITTLE 'EDUCATED' ENGLISH LADY IN 1946 WHILE WAITING TO BE DEMOBBED FROM THE ROYAL MARINES AND AT NO TIME, EVER ALLOWED ANY ONE TO CALL ME 'JOCK. I REMINDED THOSE WITH LITTLE COMMON SENSE AND PLENTY OF IGNORANCE WHO DARED TO USE SUCH AN EXPRESSION, THAT WHEN BORN IN SCOTLAND,IT WAS CUSTOMARY TO BE GIVEN A CHRISTIAN NAME AND I RESENTED BEING CALLED WHAT THEY TERMED 'JOCK'. MY LATE FRIEND ORIGIONALLY FROM CAMBUSLANG WHO ALSO LIVED HERE, REMINDED THOSE WHO LACKED THE DECENCY TO CALL HIM PETER WHICH WAS HIS CHRISTIAN NAME SOON SUFFERED FROM THE LASHING OF HIS SCOTTISH TONGUE IN NO UNCERTAIN MANNER.
146

greenhill,

12/01/2009 17:59:48
RE Libertarian!,12/01/2009 17:56:36

Hey Jocko Jock : take the caps lock off.
147

Dunfesterin,

12/01/2009 18:18:41
151, you must be wearing pink tinted glasses!!

I've seen pakistani gangs fighting white & Romany gangs down there, indeed been close to a few scuffles myself through no fault of my own. Thats one reason why I moved.

But of course, you haven't seen it, that means it never happened, right?

And there you go, play the "racist" card when someone says something you don't like. Are you sure you're SNP son, or are you SS??
148

Bejjy,

12/01/2009 18:53:42
#134

Yes, I did misdirect my comment and I apologise for that.
149

Bejjy,

12/01/2009 19:00:16
#145

Thats all we need to know about you; you read The News of the World and we all know that its only twankers like you who do.
150

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 12/01/2009 19:22:52
#157 That video was shown on BBC News 24 and Sky News. But I am very impressed that you managed to put some coherent thoughts together. Keep trying.
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radge dug,

12/01/2009 19:41:14
Wonder if Harry knows he's an inbred German and a b*stard at that?

Upper class oafs and neds.
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radge dug,

12/01/2009 19:42:51
Royal family are a bunch of Nazis. Maybe it's PC to be anti-Nazi but they killed my grandfather like many other Scots who fought Hitler. Harry, Phil the Greek and his kind would've loved a Nazi take over of Britain.
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 19:44:51
51 Alan B,How does using an abbreviation insult someone because of their skin colour.As for school bullying,children are bullied for many reasons,I was bullied in primary school just for wearing glasses,a classmate was bullied because his old man was a cop.
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notantidollarbut,

14west prestonlinks 12/01/2009 19:51:52
does this mean i can;t call my friends from Wallyford :Wallys:
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12/01/2009 19:58:41
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Bejjy,

12/01/2009 20:15:56
#164 Ribbonman

Yet another hilarious and deluded fool.
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Bejjy,

12/01/2009 20:28:03
#164 Ribbonman

And I would also wager a bet that a greater percentage of the population of Scotland would consider themselfs to be Royalists than those who would do so amongst the population of England. You will now probably try to tell me that those who do consider themselfs Royalists in Scotland are all English or from Pluto. And answer me this if you can, why is it that Scottish Regiments of the British Army are considered more loyal to the Crown than other regiments from the other three countries in the UK or are all those lads and lasses serving in Scottish Regiments not Scottish?
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viking nz,

newzealand 12/01/2009 20:30:55
IS THIS NEWS
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Northbrit,

Hamilton 12/01/2009 20:53:05
Maybe he should appear on the Pakistani version of big brother , just to prove hes not a racist or that .

Its funny how this video was realeased on the same day there was to be mass protests in London , which funnily enough did turn ugly and showed real RACISM, but this story was far more important to the mass media of course .



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Bejjy,

12/01/2009 20:54:47
#168 Ribbonman

So let me get this right, according to you the majority of Scots are "lickspittals"? Would you like to tell the majority of Scots using your own name that they are "lickspittals"? No, I didn't think you would be brave enough to do that. The problem with people like you is that you want to be part of a political system where dissent is not allowed and that anyone who disagrees with the party line is not one of the chosen people of the utopean State. Give it up, I for one do not want to live in an independent Scotland governed in that manner.
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 20:55:13
83, No WE is perfectly acceptable.
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Alba Abú,

12/01/2009 21:03:00
168 Ribbonman.

I fear that you are wasting your time trying to talk sense to the likes of Bejjy. His type will always want to be ruled by England.He and his merry band of serfs will always be content to crawl to their English masters. These people do not have the confidence in their own country to be master of its own destiny.

This band of slaves will always hang on to mother England's apron strings and gladly take the crumbs from John Bulls table. I feel that the good people of England must be having a right laugh at them.

"Oh,we are more loyal to your queen than you are"
Would'nt you laugh at that?
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fair scunnered,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 21:06:05
#119
is this how your bnp gets to act out its fantasys,hiding in labour councilor house
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/
so i will bid you seig heil,after all is that ,what you want to hear echoing in the streets of the uk
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 21:06:20
114 It's his grandmother's army thats why.
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Bejjy,

12/01/2009 21:19:47
#172 Alba abu.

People you and your ilk make me weep, with laughter.

I am not ruled by anything or anyone other than the laws of the country in which I reside at any given time. I was never happy with the situation in Scotland with its people being governed from London so I set off many years ago to make my own way in the world to which I have been fairly successful. I only occasionally visit these columns but I'm alarmed at the bile and hatred that is spilled by people like you which will eventually stop successful Scots like me living abroad ever returning to live in Scotland. As I commented earlier, if Pakastani's living in the UK do not like the way we speak or behave why do they not move elsewhere where they will feel more at home. I'll ask you the same question, if you are not happy with the situation in Scotland why remain there. And finally, I am as much Scottish as you if not more so please do not try to insult me with your cheap jibes.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 21:19:53
171...You and the fibber dont speak for the rest of Britain so geez peace.
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh. the capital of free Scotland 12/01/2009 21:27:49
#176 If you are so loyal to the queen of England,why dont you just go and live in her country? That the advice you are giving to the Pakistani people in relation to their cultural loyalties,is it not?
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radge dug,

12/01/2009 21:30:20
#176 - Bejjy - Well said. Likewise, if pompous foreign blooded inbred illegitemate upperclass airheads can't treat British born citzens of any skin colour with respect then they should be hung/shot by the proletariat and their corpses sent back to Saxony thus saving the taxpayer paying for these inbred scroungers to loaf around.

And if you don't agree, you're a PC pinko.
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 21:35:42
153 That's the kind of attitude which gets Scots(sorry Scotsmen) a bad name.I lived & worked in England myself for years & found the English to be great people.We had plenty of cross border banter which made for good work relations & strong friendships.Yes there were some Scots like Libertarian & his pal Peter(the Wha Daur Meddle W' Me types).They had no English friends like the rest of us, as they were disliked intensely.
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Bejjy,

12/01/2009 21:40:46
#178 Alba Abu

Your comment just shows you to be the total idiot that you probable are. Read my comment again @176. I neither live in Scotland or England at the present time.

#179 radge dug

Are you referring to Alba Abu?
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Bejjy,

12/01/2009 21:44:13
Alba Abu

I am off to work; have you any work to go to or are you receiving hard-working tax-payers money from the British Government which allows you to sit in your hovel all day making stupid comments. Have a nice day, I know I will.
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Ray 1,

Glasgow 12/01/2009 21:54:28
I have wrote letters to ex Prime Minister Tony Blair and Prime Minister Gordon Brown although my letter were answered in the beginning they have ignore me now. They are very happy to let civil servants cover up theses racial incidents.

Like The Equality and Human Rights Commission who demanded a formal inquiry into Prince Harry’s jibes and got it, I demand a formal inquiry into the BCA, GOEM, Police and TREC to find out what part they played in hiding those racial incidents against a Scot.

I left Scotland with my family when I was 11 to live in England but Due to the racial incidents after living in England for over 40 I have now returned to Scotland and was re housed due to the racial harassment fact.

Racial Discrimination against a Scot while in England
I contacted CRE now the Equality and Human Rights Commission several times regarding the racial the CRE said it was racist but did not offered to help me. I had a meeting with The Race Equality Centre (TREC) who are based in Leicester at their offices and the Braunstone Community Association (BCA) chief execute Mr Keith Beaumont OBE and BCA chair the Ven Richard Atkinson Archdeacon of Leicester OBE. The person who made the racist comments was a BCA director who had made the racist comments at me at a meeting, the BCA board investigated and covered the racial incident up.
There was an agreement made that I would receive a written apology from the BCA for that racial incident yet the BCA have never honoured that agreement. I complained to TREC that they had not done their job i.e. making sure I received the agreed apology for that racial incident. I also complained to TREC`s funders, TREC`s response was they would not chase up the BCA for the agreed racial apology unless I withdrew my complaints to their funders, I did not withdraw my complaints from their funders and TREC`s response was “why should we help you” this is recorded on video at the meeting.
I can only assume because I asked for help and
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santa cova,

12/01/2009 22:10:23
182 bejjy.......... I have to inform you that the empire has faded in to history.The majority of the Scottish people do not want to be subjects of a monarch from another country.Scottish Independence is on the way.Those who want to be ruled by a foreign monarch will have to accept the will of the Scottish people.There will be a place for English loyalists in the new Scotland.You will still be able to pay homage to your English/German queen,but she will no longer be in a position of power over the free Scottish people.What I am saying is,that the Scottish taxpayer,me included, will no longer foot the bill to keep the Windsors in the life of sloth and privilege to which they are accustomed.
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Alba Abú,

Edinburgh.capital of free Scotland. 12/01/2009 22:22:21
#182

Oh I see! you dont work in Scotland or England,so that would mean you are not paying taxes for the upkeep of the English royal scroungers.
Aye, well done,just leave it to the mugs in Scotland to pay taxes for the upkeep of your royal spongers,whilst you glory in this bunch of mis-fits from a far off land. GTF........Idiot!
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barrow5,

glasgow 12/01/2009 23:32:03
184,It's far too late to go for Independance now.We should have done it 40 years ago when we still had a manufacturing industry.Shipbulding,steelmaking & even electronics have mostly gone.Now Gordon Brown has made sure our banking system has been neutered by destroying HBOS,which he cold easily have supported(N Rock is still a stand alone bank).This was done to finally scupper any chance of independance working.

 

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