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Published Date: 14 January 2009
THE Royal Family was at the centre of a new race row yesterday after it was revealed that Prince Charles and his sons, William and Harry, referred to an Asian member of their exclusive polo club as "Sooty".
The princes were said to use the greeting "every time they meet", as a way of cocking a snook at political correctness.

Sources at Cirencester Polo Club claimed Harry, 24, had used the "affectionate nickname" to address businessman Kolin Dhillon since childhood. His father and brother, along with other members of the Royal Family, are also said to use it.

Mr Dhillon, whose family is of Indian origin, is a former chairman of the Schools and Universities Polo Association (Supa) and a respected member of the Cirencester club. The millionaire property developer, 58, who is understood to own a substantial property portfolio, is a good friend of the Royal Family.

His son, Satnam, 31, is a professional polo player who has represented England and played alongside Charles, William and Harry.

A source at Supa, who asked not to be named and who has known Mr Dhillon for many years, said: "He has been called Sooty for as long as I remember.

"The princes and other royalty have called him that since I first met him about 15 or 16 years ago. They call him Sooty every time they meet, and he's never upset about that. It's an affectionate nickname."

A member of the polo club, who also asked not to be named, said the name Sooty had been introduced to put "two fingers up" at political correctness.

He said: "Charles, along with both of his boys, have called this chap Sooty because it is his nickname and he is perfectly comfortable with it. I suppose we all see this as a sort of running joke about political correctness."

The controversy followed the release at the weekend of video footage that showed Prince Harry using a racist epithet to describe the Pakistani army cadet Ahmed Raza Khan, and describing Arabs using another derogatory term when talking about another colleague.

It also comes less than three years after the prince caused outrage when he attended a friend's birthday party dressed as a Nazi.

After the "Sooty" story broke, Clarence House issued a statement saying: "To imply the princes are racist is ridiculous. Through their charity work, all three are committed to helping people both in the UK and abroad regardless of who they are."

A spokesman added: "The Prince of Wales has a very strong view on racial intolerance."

Mr Dhillon also insisted the nickname was a "term of affection, with no offence meant or felt".

Neither the Cirencester club nor Supa would comment.

But last night, anti-racism groups reacted angrily .

A spokesman for Give Racism the Red Card said: "In our view, there's no friendly banter where racism is concerned.

"The members of the Royal Family, with all the money that's been spent on their education, should be aware that calling people 'Sooty' is unacceptable."

Weyman Bennett, from Unite Against Fascism, said: "Racism should be taken seriously at all times, on every level, and it appears the Royal Family are not doing that. This suggests that it is not a lack of judgment, but a deep-rooted problem that needs to be addressed.

"The Royal Family are the figurehead of this country and need to come out in strong opposition to this kind of behaviour."

When TV didn't mind its language

DURING the 1970s, racial stereotypes and terms were common fodder for sitcoms and stand-up comedians.

Love Thy Neighbour, which has latterly become the symbol of what is now considered unacceptable, was at the time hugely successful – even generating a spin-off film.

The basis of the comedy was that a white couple find a black couple moving in next door and have to deal with the cultural difference with "hilarious results" – though during the course of episodes, the white male character often used various racist terms to descibe the black characters.

Comedians such as Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning also regularly appeared on television during the 1970s telling jokes that would now be considered racist and completely unacceptable.


The full article contains 705 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Daft Old Git,

14/01/2009 01:07:00
That old racist Harry Corbett was at it for years. Incidentally I notice that the Scotsman this week has been using the racist terms Arab, Kurd. and Afghani instead of the proper terms Arabian, Kurdistani and Afghanistani. I'm shocked and will never read the rag again
2

Conan the Librarian™,

14/01/2009 01:10:15
Sooty usually gets a full hand up, rather than just two fingers.

Mind you Sooty's...um...controller, was called Harry.
3

Conan the Librarian™,

14/01/2009 01:11:32
1 Great minds.
4

Cassandra,

14/01/2009 01:21:59
My lifelong partner is deeply upset at his name being considered suitable for a polo-playing, capitalist toff, and suggests the nickname be changed henceforth to 'Basil' as Mr Brush has the appropriate aristocratic sporting connections.

Yours etc,

Sweep
5

Otis Boone,

Sacramento 14/01/2009 02:38:21
Amazing how people seem to think that Their Royal Highnesses should stop calling this man Sooty despite Sooty saying he doesn't mind it and considers it a term of affection from his friends the Royals.

Watch how this evolves - pretty soon, all of us on both sides of the Atlantic will no longer have names, just randomly assigned numeric identifiers implanted into our skin and tattooed as barcodes.

The anti-christ will not be a person, but a group of persons with authority to stamp out nicknames and given names because every name will offend someone.


Tongue-in-cheek.
6

Anonym,

14/01/2009 02:49:04
Ahem.

..."Mr Dhillon (aka 'Sooty') also insisted the nickname was a "term of affection, with no offence meant or felt"..."

Apparently, anti-racism groups know better, however, as calling Sooty, "Sooty" is not acceptable, regardless of what Sooty thinks...

How can anybody take them seriously, as they insist they should be, when they have no sense of perspective whatsoever?

If you want respect, then quit taking offence on behalf of other people! You presumptious cretins!

This sort of thing only serves to undermine legitimate concerns about racism.
7

SoSueMe,

Bolton 14/01/2009 03:51:17
The whole world's gone stark staring bonkers, if you ask me! In the 70's, British people laughed at themselves as much as anything else. Not much left to laugh at these days. 'Toilet humour' says it all, really.
8

Graeme,

Guangzhou 14/01/2009 03:53:34
“Two fingers up at PC”. We need a lot more of that. If anyone thinks differently, well they are very much in the minority and therefore should be ignored. We have to keep standing up for our way of life and rights.


9

Ex gourock boy,

Shrewsbury PA USA 14/01/2009 04:04:09
Sooty, Packi, what next: Scouse, Geordie, maybe even jock. These are not racist terminologies. If you served in the armed forces you were known by the part of the country you hailed from Jock=Scotland Scouse= Wales etc.
Everyone called the Indian Pakistani carner shop at the corner of the Rd "The Packi shop" irrerspective whether the owner was Indian or Pakistani. It was more a friendly terminology than andything racist.
These do gooders in the anti racist groups need to grow up and live in the real world. They are making the average man in the streets life a bloody misery and the scum ball trouble making immigrants love them. They threaten to sue at the drop of a hat or turban. Human resources dept are running scared of the race relations boards.
My ex wife works for a well known Japanese company in Telford Shropshire who are scared to sack an illegal immigrant as he keeps threatening them with the race relations board even though he curses, swears and insults other workers.
This race issue has gone to far and it's about time law abiding citizens of British nationality stood up to it
10

Dunnie,

Canada 14/01/2009 04:24:43

Has anyone thought to ask what terms immigrant communities/societies use to describe us, the so-called bigots known as whites? You would be amazed by the racist tone. But you will never hear it reported.

My life-long East Indian friends look upon this tabloid and PC frenzy with hilarity and disbelief.

Lighten up people. Take an extra toke or swill. See the lighter and perhaps more sincere side.
11

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12

Helen,

14/01/2009 04:38:20
Surely it's now time to abolish the monarchy and show these parasites on the taxpayer that their behaviour is unacceptable and offensive.
We cannot consider ourselves to live in a civilised society when we have this shower living well at the expense of the taxpayer while elderly people think of ways to be creative when trying to heat their homes.
Harry should be dismissed from the armed forces and put on trial for racially abusive behaviour. After all, if I had heard one of my staff using the vile terminology he clearly thinks is ok, they'd have been suspended on the spot, face a disciplinary hearing and probably be dismissed...but in the real world we take racism seriously.
The polo club in question needs to be investigated as do all the members who clearly seem to think they are above the law.
13

chics311,

sarasota 14/01/2009 04:48:05
Helen read ex gourock boy and get with it. He makes more sense than all other posts. You have a major problem.
14

amcl,

14/01/2009 05:12:07
Oh to hear the banter of the polo changing room sobriquets. "Sooty" "Ginger in the woodpile" the oldest apprentice in town" "Geeza job" "Whoseyerda?" the possibilites are endless
15

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/01/2009 05:41:51
Just wait till the Press finds out about their West Indian Cricketing chums "Sammbo" and "Golliwog".
16

The Trossachs Hasher,

14/01/2009 05:49:27
Here is another "racist " incident which again seems only to be stoked by the media and yet another anti racist organisation which I am sure were different from the anti racist organisation which complained about Harry's apparent lapse.

Just how many anti racist organisations are there? They are losing credibility fast by jumping on every "incident" despite the fact that the person concerned has not made a complaint. It is the first organisation I have heard of that makes complaints on behalf of someone who doesn't want to make a complaint.

It's obvious to all but the anti racist organisations that there was no racist incident here at all.

17

Gordon A.,

Vancouver 14/01/2009 06:10:49
Why make a mountain out of Hot Air?
Give this a rest as it is not a derogatory remark.
The press must need more nonsense to fill the paper with wasted ink.

18

Anne,

Eaglesham 14/01/2009 06:30:27
I do think the Scotsman has got hold of the wrong end of the stick regarding "Love Thy Neighbour".

Admittedly, it was using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, but what it did was to expose to ridicule blue collar racism. Jack Smethurst's character was always the loser, soundly abused for his views by his long-suffering wife.
19

Colin Wilson,

14/01/2009 06:53:58
Re ex Gourock boy (#9) : "If you served in the armed forces you were known by the part of the country you hailed from Jock=Scotland Scouse= Wales etc."

Just out of interest, what did they call people from Surrey?
20

Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 14/01/2009 07:11:40
#9: I think you mean 'Taff' for a Welshman. Scouse is Liverpool, isn't it?
I'd like to know how this dreadful piece of news came out. Who blabbed?
The worth of the Royals, and their polo-playing swell pals, is another matter.
21

Finnzz,

14/01/2009 07:12:33
#11 amcl

He probably calls him 'Sir'

#12 Helen

Please educate us by suggesting a few descriptive terms which we can use to describe individuals from the far corners of the world. Lets see if your own terms are any less racist than Charles'.
22

donald,

glasgow 14/01/2009 07:17:12
The Royal family affectionately call their adoring flunkies, Broon, Gray and Murhp, "Sweaty Socks".
23

Proximaking,

Dundee 14/01/2009 07:23:15
No-one is saying that immigrants or immigrants kids should be a protected species THAT would be a problem if anyone was suggesting that. A friend of my sisters is originally from India she is a brilliant person and she was a doctor in the former soviet union but couldn't get through the exams here so she has been serving in shops for years but this hasn't made her bitter or anything, why should it you might ask. Her sister is almost identical except she got a job years ago in the NHS and worked her way up not by being good but by making threats about race relation boards etc and now she is one of the top administarators albeit she has been banished to a small rural hospital because no-one can stand her. "They" are not all the same you see and neither are we and I simply object to having my taxes spent on nothing better tyhan idle layabouts like the "royals" or that hospital administrator, both milk the system for all it is worth and give nothing in return and I am utterly shocked at how many people writing here seem to think that it is alright for someone on the civil list to be uncivil to anyone. Harry should never have even got into Sandhurst, his family had a teacher sacked for having the temerity to tell everyone that she had done all his coursework, coursework that made up a large part of his marks. This is the "man" these people are defending and his "father" (uncle?) Charles who as a naval captain ran his ship aground while on the bridge and blamed his second in command who was not on the bridge and who was later demoted or who crashed a plane off the end of the runway when he demanded the controls from the pilot and the pilot was then demoted. And his granny who was driving along in the middle of a public road on a blind corner when a brand new bullet proof jaguar that was being delivered by one of her protection squads came the other way and the officer driving it threw it off the road to avoid her, cost of car over £300k written off and a gong each for the
24

Proximaking,

Dundee 14/01/2009 07:24:34
cost of car over £300k written off and a gong each for the two officers in the car for keeping their traps shut, maybe she should ask for them back now eh!? These are the people you wish to defend? Are you mad?
25

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Downunder 14/01/2009 07:26:22
I remember "sooty' he was a little bear on the TV when I was a little tacker
26

Kate,

Zurich 14/01/2009 07:31:08
Pathetic!

The term is used as a nickname and is accepted by the person being called it...end of!

My nickname at uni was haggis and that never upset me!
27

TREV,

Poland 14/01/2009 07:50:11
How typical of th racist British education systm. Obviously this poor ethnic gentleman is too undereducated to understand about racism and to understand that he is being racially abused by this nickname.

The system has failed Mr Dhillon by not educating him about racism. We must send our most experienced (white) patronising, know-it-all PC cultural sensitivity officer to educate him.
28

alex patersons English teacher,

14/01/2009 08:01:44
They should sweep this under the carpet, or someone will soo them for lots of money.
29

Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 14/01/2009 08:04:47
Now Charles and William in race row


Rubbish. There is no row. How dare the media interfere with a personal relationship between 2/3 people that have known each other for decades. What they call each other behind closed doors is none of our/thier fecking business.

For all we know, Sooty calles Charles Lugs or Baldy or Fritz or Kruat.

So what.
30

John Cameron,

St Andrews 14/01/2009 08:10:54
It must be a sign that all is well with the world that we are being inundated with such rubbish. Clearly peace has descended on Gaza, Africa has entered new sunlit uplands, our economy is on a high and no-one is in fear of losing their job. Who on earth cares what Prince Charles uses as a pet name for a friend. Does everyone refer to their pals as Jonathan fortescue-machiavelli or do they sometimes call him Mutt?
31

paulr,

edinburgh 14/01/2009 08:13:08
quite right, from now on there will be no more postMAN or policeMAN it will be post technician and police errr person maybe.
No more calling a dalmation a spotty dog, thats racist it will be a polka dot canine from now on.
However I will continue to call my younger brother a total wa***r and tha same term equally applies to all these PC fascists.
32

LAM,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 08:14:19
Life is becoming more and more ridiculous.. It is obvious that these nicknames aren't meant as any insult racial or otherwise. Strong likelyhood that no member of the Royal family gave these people these names. They were probably introduced to them with these names. There is so many more important things in world to worry about and silly term of endearment nicknames is not one of them. This story is not whether you like the Royal family or not... it is some simpleton's grand idea of blowing things out of proportion to come up with a story...and not much of one at that..
33

paulr,

edinburgh 14/01/2009 08:17:29
#19 to say scouse = wales is definitely an insult to the welsh, taffy = wales please try to be accurate with regional nicknames.
34

sam the god,

14/01/2009 08:22:18
When will the PC brigade stand up for all these people who are being victimised and discriminated (racist and bigots being a minority group) is than not what they do stand up to the victimised
35

TREV,

Poland 14/01/2009 08:23:44
32 paulr, "polka dot" suggests Polish woman (polka)so is both sexist AND racist. I suggest "intermitant none regulated dots"

36

Gdgy,

14/01/2009 08:24:39
I'm happy for the Royals to call anyone by these "inoffensive" nicknames" as long as we can refer to them by a nickname that best reflects their main characteristics....para...as in "parasite"

37

Number 6,

Germany 14/01/2009 08:30:14
Excellent news . Well done "Sooty" for stopping the PC Brigade in their tracks. Of course, they wil now say sooty does not know when he is being insulted (The stupid savage).

POST 1... Brilliant !
38

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14/01/2009 08:31:47
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39

Astarte,

Giffnock 14/01/2009 08:31:56
They are parasites and cannot be expected to show civil behaviour or express decency towards others.
40

Douglas,

Bathgate 14/01/2009 08:34:03
Does Sooty's son Satnan morph in satnav and if so does that make him an uncle tom-tom?
41

Courtney,

East Molesey 14/01/2009 08:34:12
More politically correct nonsense from the media. Haven't the hacks any useful to report upon.
42

Gazzza,

Berkshire 14/01/2009 08:43:00
No wonder our country is in the mess it's in if the politically correct lefties have taken us this far. What next?
For many years people are known by nicknames, Scots in England,or furher afield are affectionately called Jock, even Haggis, or Scotty.

Perhaps if these people turned their attention to more important matters that are occurring, like the credit crisis instead of taking every excuse to criticise our Royal Family and our country we would all benefit from it.

In all honesty it is sickening how these "lefties" can be so easily offended.
43

Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/01/2009 08:43:17
This is a smart piece of media management by the royals. The focus has now shifted away from Harry's remarks, which even if not overtly racist were certainly unedifying and deserving of apology, to a carefully constructed story designed to draw the approval of the "political correctness gone mad" crowd. Think about it - as soon as the story "broke" we had quotes from, and a full background of, Mr Dhillon. "Sooty" is clearly a nickname, and by enticing the less politically aware anti-racism groups to attack Charles on the basis of it, they have ensured a groundswell of support. By association, Harry's damage is reduced, and we have his unreserved apology repeated in every paper to boot.

It certainly shows that the royal press office has got its act together in the last few years.
44

Gazzza,

Berkshire 14/01/2009 08:54:50
Come in Number 23, your time is up. What a load of drivel. Why don't you get a life.
The Royal Family spends a lot of time doing excellent work for Charity and indeed the monarchy is a massive tourist attraction as can be seen in any visit to London or Windsor. What is more, our Roayal Family is cherished, not just by British People but across the world.
If you don't like them, fair enough, we still live in a democratic society but don't bring your prejudices in to a discussion which, quite frankly, is on a totally difeerent subject matter.

45

watcher,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 08:59:20
You have to laugh at the SNP going around calling people racist after years of hurling abuse at the English. They must have painted every wall and bridge in Scotland with anti English slogans. An English girl in Aberdeen got punched in the face by an SNP supporter just for being English only the other day.
46

GLW,

14/01/2009 09:02:45
In times of economic hardship for many people it's amazing how racist stories are dragged up by newspapers to stir the pot.
47

MoiraMac,

14/01/2009 09:09:21
#1
Don't go Daft Old Git! Please keep posting. I never read the article just the comments they are always brill!
48

mystery,

mystery 14/01/2009 09:11:47
# 12

you and your like are whats wrong with this country !
anything not PC and away you lot go....get some fun in your life, chill out a bit.

plus the money brought "in" by the royals by far outweighs the costs.
49

unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 14/01/2009 09:12:21
Watcher - there is absolutelyl no evidence that that poor lass was assaulted by an SNP Supporter and, in actual fact, it was not even reported that she was English - just "sounded English".

On the original story, my husband's uncle when abroad was called "Snowy" - is that racist?
50

Zedwed,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 09:13:31
It is a positive boost to the liberal tolerance of oor wee land that all these comments have been posted without being "reported as unsuitable," isn't it?
51

Walter McDermott III,

Aberdeen, Wisconsin 14/01/2009 09:16:53
The problem with you Brits is that you have a culture of racism. Here in the US, we are far more tolerant of all races, and I personally employ negroes on a regular basis to do casual yard work. They are reasonably diligent workers too (as long as they have someone to organise them).

We have now elected a black president, and even though I am not sure the country was ready, it shows how far ahead we are of you brits, who I doubt will ever elect a black king.
52

JayJay,

Right here 14/01/2009 09:17:34
I am no royalist, but quite frankly, who cares? By all accounts the blessed Queen Mum (Gawd bess her) and Princess Margaret were quite shockingly racist, but they seemed to be excused presumably because there were not armies of organisations of the perpetually offended waiting to pounce on them.
At the weekend the teminally unfunny "comedian" Stephen K Amos (and he is not funny irrespective of his colour) was expressing outrage about the racism of 70's sitcoms such as Love thy Neighbour and Till Death Us Do Part. That the main protagonists in both shows were dreadful losers who never triumphed was perhaps too subtle a plot design for this comedy genius. No instead he was lambasting the language used by "the honkey" whilst neatly side-stepping the equally racist language used by his neighbour. Equally excrutiating is these guys efforts at explaining why its ok for Chris Rock to use the n word, and to roundly abuse the entire black community, but never acceptable for that word to be uttered elsewhere.
I am a great believer in allowing the true racists out there to say what they like, when they like, so that we can all have a right good laugh at their ignorance. As for Charles, he lives in a world where a man is employed to hold the pot he p*sses in, so I think we can safely assume he lives in a sub-section of society where normality is pretty skewed. I would have to doubt whether his casual racism has any impact whatsoever on real people, who presumably might be more distracted by Charles's outrageous unearned wealth.
53

TheSmith,

14/01/2009 09:18:08
Do you think he would have been as popular and as well-connected if he hadn't taken the 'Sooty' comment as a joke?
54

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 14/01/2009 09:19:12
sooty was a glove puppet,all orange,why id be annoyed after being called that ,after that nerve annoying squeekie wee thing(hmm lard haw haw foulkes is like that)
55

It's me!,

14/01/2009 09:20:59
I'm sick to death of PC zealots. Too many are making a living out of trying to find racism where none exists or intended. Maybe the police should be charging them with behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace!
56

JPF,

14/01/2009 09:21:22
On the subject of nicknames down at the polo club, i believe harry is referred to as "Hewey" due to his uncanny resemblance to a young James Hewett, arch cad and former consort of his late motther.
57

MoiraMac,

14/01/2009 09:28:01
#39 I think you are spot on. They do hate us! Especially the Tartan Tat traders who torture everyone in the surrounding area with their bloody music and their highly racist highly offensive C.U. Jimmy hats
58

Barobalti,

Haddington 14/01/2009 09:32:41
A propos the “P” word, I believe its usage has become taboo because of the sneering way it was used by extreme bigots in or around the Powell era and later via BNP, etc. If anyone had called my late Granny a racist for the innocent way she used the term back in the day, they would have been well misguided.

Has anyone NEVER had a “racist” thought or used such a term? (Cast the first stone, and all that…)

Probably most of us have uttered worse in the three years since Son of Hewitt made his faux pas on camera. The hoo-ha over this horrible little matter gets right up my nose and beyond. Much as I detest the royals, why should a silly throwaway remark made three years ago come back to bite you in the bum just because you are in the public eye? I recall Lennon being condemned in the States for the "We are more important than Jesus" remark several months after it had been published in a relatively unknown (in the USA) UK magazine. I almost thought he was going to be besieged by a baying mob with dogs and torches

I am so sick of these tub-thumping, oh-so-perfect, tiresome tw@ts who make it their business to be affronted by proxy on behalf of others and go screaming hysterically from the rooftops. Get over it!

59

The Jannie,

Out there, watching 14/01/2009 09:33:51
Once again the PC squad enlist the mindless assistance of the media to push their righteously indignant agenda. Four fork sake get a life.
60

wilfredthehairy,

Scotland 14/01/2009 09:39:28
So, Captain Kirk can no longer call his engineer "Scotty"? This PC stuff is complete nonsense. What are the media up to? Gazza, economic crises and global warming hardly make it a quiet patch to bring out the silly season stories. Scotsman, BBC and other serious news media. Please leave this rubbish to the Daily Star et al. I can't believe I even took the time to write this. Grumpy old man syndrome, I suppose.
61

Mad Jock,

Offshore Denmark 14/01/2009 09:45:06
To fall in line with other organisations created to ensure that no-one can be offensive to anyone, and in the interest of fairness to all, henceforth THE SCOTSMAN is changing it's name to THE SCOTSPERSON.
62

ex-teacher,

Fife 14/01/2009 09:46:31
When I was teaching,at lunchtime my pupils were either packies, schoolies or homies. Were they being racist or homophobic ?

The nanny state is totally bonkers.
63

cabrach loon,

poverty looming in stalingrad 14/01/2009 09:47:02
For heavens sake just where is this heading. The PC politicians and gutter press have already destroyed Britain. Everyone uses nicknames and national jokes in everyday life! Especially in the forces. Paddy, Jock, Taffy, yank etc. etc.
But who is doing the reportiung, where is privacy, where are the friends, are they all selling themselves for a bowl of soup? What a horrible grubby greedy world this current generation are inheriting. No morals at any level. Politicians who cheat and lie.
Brown destroyed the private pensions, sold the gold reserves for peanuts, lowered the regulator responsibilities to permit unprincipled greed to grow, countenanced cheap show off by so called celebrities - celebrated for what though? Cheating?
Now thgey wanmt to read our private emails, listen to phone calls, next it will be our letters, Oh yes I forgot, they already have microphones in some street cameras. Thought police with chief commisar brown at the helm.
God help Britain because the politicians cetrainly wont. Ruled by vociferous minorities who neither work nor spin plus the parasitical arrogant so called civil servants who are now in many cases neither civil nor servants.
64

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 14/01/2009 09:47:05
Yawn. The PC brigade have created much more damage by creating divides where none exist. I could understand it if the gentleman in question took offence but since none was taken you could fairly safely presume none was intended.

TV and newspapers needing a headline as if they did with all the other stuff going on.
65

StoneMan,

California 14/01/2009 09:49:53
P C Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. These groups need severe mental health help. They also need to have a sense of humor re-programmed into their Pea Brains.God save us, and them. If there is a God?
66

Joanna,

Cambs, England 14/01/2009 10:00:08
Duncan in Edinburgh @ 44 has hit the nail on the head. I don't think its a coincidence that the 'Royal Gaffes' damage limitation team have swung into action in this way either.

Wheel forward an obliging 'chum' who doesn't mind being called by what many deem to be a racist term and detract attention from another clanger dropped by Harry.

Excellent PR work - they'll all be invited to the next gathering of Big Ear's chums where they'll meet Sooty, Sweep, Noddy, PC Plod and all the Golliwogs. Super!
67

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 10:06:45
Instead of concerning themselves with this irrellevant trivia, maybe the stirrers should be more concerned about the English girl who was assaulted recently---for having an English accent.

That is REAL racism. Old schoolboy nicknames still in use between friends are not.
68

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/01/2009 10:11:24
Duncan is right, this is damage limitation.

I didn't know there were so many ignorant people posting on this paper that think pak/i is an acceptable word. I guess you must all be oldsters, I suppose that is an excuse, no well brought up person of a younger age would use that word now.
69

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/01/2009 10:13:41
69 Racism is alive and well in Scotland, and I don't think the English are it's buggest victim (as long as they are white). But I suppose it's dreadfully ''pc'' to point that out, let's just ignore it.
70

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 10:16:59
#70:

OK then Mr self-righteous, santimonious spouter of claptrap, how do you compare this insignificant banter between friends with the serious assault on the young girl in Aberdeen?

Stop being so blinkered and open your eyes man! You have been blinded by political correctness.
71

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/01/2009 10:24:03
72 First of all I am not a man, and secondly you provide one example of a common assault on a woman, which may or may not be race-related. Common assaults on Asians and in particular asylum seekers are ten-a-penny, you won't read about them, they are rarely reported unless the vicitm dies or is hospitalised. You are the one who needs to open your eyes, the Royal Family's casual use of racist terminology and the desire by so many posters to sweep racism aside as ''pc gone mad'' masks a wider problem that many of us are racist, and some take action on their racist views. Instead of just sweeping that to the side, we should deal with it, not pretend it doesn't happen.
72

jdships,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 10:43:59
12 Helen,
Please read ex gourock boy and act your age not your shoe size . He makes complete sense . You have a major problem methinks !

When I was in the Navy my nickname was "Haggis" that didn't upset me .
73

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 14/01/2009 11:06:37
#70 says "I guess you must all be oldsters, I suppose that is an excuse, no well brought up person of a younger age would use that word now."
What self righteous cant, how do you square your impeccable pc credentials with your loathsome ageism and condescension?
74

The Jannie,

Out there, watching 14/01/2009 11:09:03
And another thing!

"Weyman Bennett, from Unite Against Fascism, said:"

He obviously hasn't heard PC described as "intellectual fascism", then?
75

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

14/01/2009 11:12:28
44...bang on...73...thankfully your comment highlights the fact that not all people go around with their eyes shut...believing all is well in the world...particularly if we just ignore it as it is insignificant and will go away...

This is damage limitation...and not relevant to Harry's ignorance...

Why dont we all refer to all asians as pakies?...its totally acceptable after all..what do you mean its not where they come from?..they must do...what???..they are a Weegie??....
76

Chris W,

14/01/2009 11:28:52
Shame the press can't find some real news to report upon.
77

Lochiel,

West o'Glasgow 14/01/2009 11:29:46
Could have been worse. The nickmane could have been "Stinky".
78

MoiraMac,

14/01/2009 11:34:33
Could it be that we are not racist we just have a problem with immigration. We haven't got to grips with the difference between catholics and protestants as yet so how are we expected to take on board loads of new very different cultures, languages, dietary requirements, mode of dress,religions and separate communities. It's easy enough not to say Pakki anymore but that doesn't solve the problem and the feeling of resentment.
79

salmondella,

UK 14/01/2009 11:37:11
Thank god for the royal family. Just how would the newspapers fill their pages without them?
80

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 14/01/2009 11:49:38
I DESPISE political correctness!!! At the same time however, I use common sense and manners, and do not use racial epithets, unless it with a very good friend (who by the very nature of being a friend and that we have known each other for ages and we BOTH use racial epithets towards each other now and then as a we did when we were MUCH younger), and we are out of earshot of these pathetic whingeing nancy's who are afraid of their own shadows let alone using words they are terrified of. We British need to get back to actually having manners, and categorically ignoring the modern way of trying to excuse everything and anything that MIGHT possibly upset someone. If they have that thin of a skin, LET THEM GO BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. If you were born here, well, you should have enough of a clue when someone is really being racist towards you, or its a friendly jibe. If they are being racist by accident, let them know about it in an adult, responsible manner, if not, be sharpish and let them know that is not acceptable. But by all means don't call the ruddy "politeness police", else your name will appear in an article on this forum...
81

ecosseman,

FACT NOT PROPAGANDA 14/01/2009 11:56:20
STICKS&STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT ME.REMEMBER THAT!
82

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/01/2009 12:12:18
75 I'm trying to find a reason why so many people are justifying using racist language. Age (because things were different decades ago) is the only one I can think of.
83

Proud to have Scots blood,

Brooklyn, N,Y, 14/01/2009 13:27:33
To get rid of bigotry and prejudice, a person has to

begin with self.
84

Fernie,

14/01/2009 13:36:36
84 Observer
"I'm trying to find a reason why so many people are justifying using racist language. Age (because things were different decades ago) is the only one I can think of."
I'm trying to find a reason why some people can't understand that really being respectful is calling people names that are agreeable to them personally, whether or not they are sanctioned by some special interests. Low intelligence (because of inability to understand) is the only one I can think of.
85

NorT,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 13:39:23
A lot of fuss over nothing. There is too much PC nowadays. In my book there are only two PCs. - Personal computer and Police Constable.
86

AbandonAllHope,

14/01/2009 13:51:20
We are the porridge wogs
87

Fernie,

14/01/2009 14:08:49
88 tommytommy
Are you really suffering from the perception that Mr. Dhillon, the millionaire property developer, or his professional polo playing son, are victims of racial discrimination?
Are you really deluding yourself that this story has anything to do with a young woman (and by the way, the word "lady" has connotations too) being assaulted?
Do you really object to the fact that there are parents standing between their children and the schools' promotion of their own political agenda as "education"?
Really?
88

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 14:09:39
Observer:

Apologies for the gender mix-up.

The point I am trying to make here is that frankly, it is none of anyone else's business how a group of freinds address one another, no matter how "offensive" people outside that group might find it. That is true whether the friends are members of an exclusive polo club or a band of dossers sleeping under a canal bridge.

It is simply nothing to do with anyone else and the privacy of those concerned should be respected. In fact, in this case, more offence is being caused by nosey busibodies than would ever be caused by William addressing Kohlin as "Sooty". Can you really not see that?

Racial discrimination and racial hatred are things that should rightly be dealt with robustly. However, this does not fall into either category and as such, the fuss being made is actually offensive to the parties concerned... Or does that not matter because it is being done in the name of "anti-racism"?

Have a good, hard think about the stance you are taking here and try to work out exactly who is doing the offending here. It certainly isn't Charles or William.
89

British Military Vet Veritas,

Gaza City 14/01/2009 14:44:13
No. 9.

Scousers come from 'The Pool' = Liverpool. They are called Scouse after an infamous dish once the staple diet of the poor of that area to keep body and soul together.

Apart from that, your call for British Nationals to take a stand against those taking a stand against racism is redolent of other racist regimes that have led their nations into war and inexorably towards defeat.

Any appeal to Nationalism leads no place except downwards and out of sight.

It is unfortunate that the ignoranti, including the future monarch of the United Kingdom and his family, are too blind to see the cost of their errant and unacceptable behaviour.

What they, and others who use racist epithets, need have Supernanny Jo to step in and straighten them out.

It is noticable that those responding to this article who blame the offended rather than the offenders are those whose language and tone suggests they are constitutionally exclusionist xenophobes.

Those good people who employ conciliatory language and sound reasoning remind us that the British, excluding none, were widely respected for their good manners and politeness.

For anyone unable to see that primitive tribal behaviour where the auslander was treated as fair game has no part to play in modern civilised societies, it is time to upgrade your mindset, and to treat others as you wish to be treated by others.

Some call that the Golden Rule. Whatever we choose to call it, it is the antidote to prejudice, civil unrest, religious wars, injured feelings, damaged self-esteem, and its use signifies maturity, adulthood, and responsible citizenship.

Its absence have led to race riots, demeaning treatment, personal attacks, injury, murder, and wars that leave everyone poorer and opens doors for unstable extremists to fuel their inadequacies through propoganda intimating that others who are in some way 'different' from themselves, must be marked out and targetted for special abuse, imprisonment, torture, a
90

US Graham,

America 14/01/2009 14:56:24
"Fair scunnered" (56) I am deeply offended by your use of the term "glove puppet" and would prefer if you'd use the more socially acceptable phrase "rogered sock" in the future.
91

Dunnie,

Canada 14/01/2009 15:03:36
92 - Ironic that you post from Gaza. Also, brevity will not lessen your argument.
92

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/01/2009 15:04:31
91 I do understand the point you are making, but this is the Royal Family here. Their words will be reported so they need to be careful what they say. We are living in a country where attacks upon Asian people have risen dramatically, Police figures support that. It ill becomes members of the Royal Family to use words like pak/i, raghead, and sooty in that context.
93

Dunnie,

Canada 14/01/2009 15:05:17
87 - there is third PC - Prince Charles.
94

wee maggie,

New Franklin 14/01/2009 16:02:46
We all need to re-examine words and phrases that we once considered acceptable. Ideas and ideals change.
95

sigholm,

ayrshire 14/01/2009 16:27:07
Have we not had a guts-full of this PC tripe yet? Who, other than a bunch of half-wits care?
We should be more concerned about the debts being heaped upon the Nation, by those two non-descripts, Paw Broon and The Lord Of The Rings.
96

Fernie,

14/01/2009 16:36:47
tommytommy,
When you resort to "fascist bigot" and "racist", you yourself have stooped to a very low level of name-calling. It signals that you have become too frustrated to apply any actual reason to your arguments. If you were capable of reason, you would realize that your calling me names is far more offensive than the prince's affectionate pet names for his friends. It is sad that you are so hateful.
97

Morry,

Scotland 14/01/2009 16:44:46
Political correctness gone stupid!
98

Fernie,

14/01/2009 16:54:04
"You may not like being identified as a fascist bigot but you are."
"It is to those of us who are not racists but I believe that excludes you."

Were these not your comments?

I don't think you are smart enough to understand this. It's not your fault. I'm done with this for today.
99

Dunnie,

Canada 14/01/2009 17:12:06
105 Tommy - The Grammar and Punctuation PC Brigade have concluded that you are a linguistic racist and therefore should be banned from further commentary.
100

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/01/2009 17:30:23
107 quite right, in the absence of being able to rebut the posters meaning, resort to pedantry. You haven't punctuated correctly, so your post must be rubbish.

101

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 14/01/2009 17:36:50
My mate gazza tells the best racist jokes and he's a 6 foot barbados colored chappy who was brought up in Ayrshire. Go figure!!!
102

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2009 17:39:33
Hamish, a Pakistani friend of mine, tells me he is worried about a possible backlash from the hype the press is giving the "race row" over what he sees as comments made behind closed doors between muckers. He says that goras (sp?) is a term used to classify white skinned people but most English speaking people do not hear it being used and/or do not understand what it means but he believes it carries as much or as little weight as the P word according to the sense in which it is used.
103

Ewen Miler,

14/01/2009 18:08:47
What a none story! The media are like the banks: reckless and morally corrupt. In addition they sensationalise everything.

In this case, they are the rascists - stirring up trouble when there isn't any to stir!
104

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 18:12:16
#95:

Like I said before, it matters not who is using the term, it is still nothing to do with anyone else.

The Prince of Wales still calls The Queen "Mummy". Who are we to say that he should "grow up" and address her as "Mum" or "Mother"? Exactly. It is none of our business... In the same way that it is none of our business what Harry calls his fellow Pakistani Officer or what Charles and William call William's old school chum.

You appear to be concerned that people might take those words out of context and therefore, by some strange kind of logic, it will encourage them to use proper racist expressions themselves.

If you don't mind me saying so, that is the most objectionable, self-righteous, sanctimonious load of bile that I have ever heard. In fact, I take mild offence at the fact that such a thing might be suggested! People don't need protecting from themselves in this manner and it is completely out of order to suggest that they might do.

The vast majority can see that these comments were made in the kind of context that was not offensive to anyone. OK, some people may need that spelt out to them, but they can mostly see it eventually.

If those concerned HAD been racist then I would fully support moves to deal with them appropriately, no matter what their styles and titles might be. However, they have done nothing wrong except to offend a number of (probably white) do-gooders with too much time on their hands. I personally think that it a worthwhile thing to do! :-)
105

georgia, chloe's mommy,

outside chicago 14/01/2009 18:30:43
"Beam me up, Hibernian!" certainly does not have as grand a sound as its William Shatner command.

Certainly, if the person who is called a nickname doesn't mind it, it should not matter to anyone else.

As long as Harry doesn't call me "Sooty," I think I shall live another day....
106

Alan B,

14/01/2009 18:58:49
Interesting that so many posters hide behind the term PC rather than being honest and saying they support the right to be racist and abuse other due to the colour of their skin or where they come from.

107

Kitti Kat,

Newtown Square 14/01/2009 19:17:12
what a shame that some people have nothing better to do than police people who use nick names for friends, etc. If the man doesn't mind being called "Sooty" then who are these people to jump on the band wagon and protest for him? I am sick and tired of "political correctness' and wonder who or where it came from. Enouigh is enough. Yes, we will all need to be given numbers rather than names if all this pettiness keeps up. I pity the younger people today because they will surely pay the price for all this silliness. Concentrate on abolishing wars, ridding the world of dreadful illnesses and FORGET about all the silly stuff like worrying about what the princes and others are calling that gentleman - who doesn't seem to mind.
108

St Caledonia,

14/01/2009 19:49:33
Sootey is a classic - makes sense!
I know a wee Irishman, we call him "Spudless"
I am often refered to as "sweaty sock" jock - it makes sense
If you can laugh at yourself it is humour, if not it's racism -
Whites invent,innovate and advance - true
Chinese invent, innovate and advance - true
Japanese invent, innovate and advance - true
Lets stop there before the truth offends someone.
109

Eric D,

14/01/2009 19:57:57
A devious Orwellian article. The whole PC nonsense is way out of hand. Far too many vested interests are using the all incompassing 'racist' tag to ward off criticism , be it immigration policy , multi-culturalism etc.

No.9 : Ex gourock boy - Excellent post.
110

radge dug,

14/01/2009 20:43:19
117 - eric, don't be shy. Come on out and say it like you want to.

As to the inbred foreign blooded scrounging royals - get rid of them and give the taxpayer a break.
111

Dunnie,

Canada 14/01/2009 20:56:05

Observer - your moniker is an oxymoron since you are obviously blind. Lighten up.



112

Buspassenger,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 22:00:06
I once taught English to Indonesians in Surabaya and, amongst other peculiarities of our culture, I was careful to explain that the British tend to politeness when addressing strangers and are frequently rude to their close friends and family as a means of expressing affection without sentimentality. For example, it would be a sure sign of acceptance and friendship if a British person was to refer to them as a "silly bu**er", an "idiot" or "daft" in the course of normal conversation. In contrast, some of the posts here are really abusive and offensive about people whom we, as a society, exploit as figureheads and who have no right of reply.
113

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 14/01/2009 22:45:27
SOOTY.MIGHT.CALL.HIS.HORSE.WHITEY..GIVE.US.A.BREAK
114

anel,

aberdeenshire 14/01/2009 22:45:33
Wow a story that produces some new rubbish but also a great many fairly thoughtful comments. Way above the usual pro or anti union rubbish.
Great change to have a fair amount on topic lets have more. And yes while we are at it some more common sense about PC language - it all depends on context. I work with a disabled lad and might happily tell him to keep his wheels in order but you should here what some disabled say to each other - totally un PC. But that would not give me, an outsider, the right to do the same. Close groups work on totally different rules.
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Dubhglas,

Johannesburg 15/01/2009 05:09:45
This is ridiculous. I wonder if Mr. Bennett is aware that Harry and William belong to an exclusive mens club in London where the royal family are openly referred to as "the Krauts"? They don't take offence, neither does Mr. Dhillon. In fact this story will probably enhance the royals reputation among the Indian community as it shows that they have affectionate relationships with persons of Colour. Britain's PC political class really need to grow up.

Actually, it is Labour's uncontrolled immigration policies, rather than nicknames that are fuelling the fires of racism and facism. Makes you think, doesn't it?
118

zigzag,

Canada 15/01/2009 05:57:08
Charlie had a little lamb
Its fleece was black as soot
And into Chuckie's bread and jam
It's sooty footy put.
119

Udith Fonseka,

Sri Lanka 15/01/2009 06:32:26
As a person at constant risk from being the target of s terrorists in Sri Lanka. My question is

Who is looking after Prince Harrys security?
How can any member of the armed forces in Pakistan be fully vetted. The military there is full of Taliban and jihad supporters.
120

Eric D,

15/01/2009 15:30:27
123 - Try 'discriminatory' - can I assume your one of the frequent S.N.P. groupees that can't spell independent too ?
121

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Prth & Glesca' 15/01/2009 22:44:03
I used to own a cat that we called 'Sooty,'anyone wonder why? I also owned a cat named 'Smokey,' they didn't object!! My last dog was called "Tammy" and she loved it.
I was named 'Haggis MacBagpipes' by a fellow in Northern Ireland and it stuck and since I came to Canada 42-years-ago my ONLY name has been 'Haggis MacBagpipes'should I be upset? I don't think so.
There's been too much of that PC nonsense as far as I'm concerned, I wonder what that bunch would like to be when they grow up...adults perhaps!
Cheers,
"Haggis MacBagpipes™©"
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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 15/01/2009 23:06:07
I was an uncivil civil servant until a heart attack put me into instant retirement, the day after my 57th Birthday.
We had one fellow from Sierra Leon in our office and round the coffee table we were discussing the Summer weather and I told the fellow, "Well, on thing is sure, you won't need to lie in the sun to get sunburnt." He went to our boss and complained about me and the boss opened his door and yelled, "Haggis, get in here." he preferred yelling to using the phone! Into his office I went and he had the coloured fellow repeat what he told my boss and I burst out laughing, and then asked that fellow, "What do you call me?"
and he stood there looking sheepish, then my boss said to him, "If it doesn't bother Haggis, why should it bother you?" The fellow apologised and we both left the boss's office together. No problems after that.
Cheers,
"Haggis MacBagpipes™©"

 

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