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CCTV: Does it actually work?



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Published Date: 26 May 2008
NEW fears have been raised over how effective CCTV cameras are in cutting crime after it emerged that only one in seven incidents caught on camera in Scotland was followed by an arrest at the scene.
More than 200,000 incidents have been picked up by CCTV cameras over the past four years, at a cost of £42 million.

But experts admit that it is still not known how many crimes they have solved.

Figures on the number of convictions secured using CCTV evidence are not recorded, but information released to The Scotsman under the Freedom of Information Act suggests significant differences in the effectiveness of cameras across Scotland, with some areas showing much higher arrest rates than others. The findings follow recent comments by the man in charge of London's CCTV network, who branded the cameras "an utter fiasco" for failing to cut crime.

Police also say that while CCTV is a valuable tool for investigating crime, footage rarely secures a conviction on its own.

In an attempt to make CCTV more effective at deterring crime, officials in Glasgow are considering using lights and speakers on cameras that can be activated when the network operator believes a crime is about to occur.

According to the figures – released by local authorities and police – just 14 per cent of the incidents caught on camera last year led to an immediate police response and an arrest.

Opposition politicians are now questioning why so much has been spent on CCTV without any clear way of evaluating the system's effectiveness. A government report assessing the impact of CCTV will be published later this year.

Responding to The Scotsman's investigation, Patrick Harvie, the Green MSP, said: "Successive governments have, without public consultation or consent, brought in a radical surveillance society.

"There are now more cameras per person in Britain than anywhere else on the planet, despite the Home Office's own research showing that CCTV cannot be deemed a success.

"The money would be better spent on community policing, crime prevention and better resources for victim support."

A massive amount of public money has been invested in CCTV. The 1,566 cameras operated by the 25 councils and police forces that provided data to The Scotsman cost £27 million to purchase, with running costs of nearly £15 million accrued over the past four years.

Bill Aitken, the justice spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives, said: "CCTV is all well and good, but it simply doesn't work if there is nobody to answer the call. We need extra police officers on the street to deal with these incidents being spotted.

"What might also be necessary is to look again at the number of cameras and their locations to make sure they are being effectively deployed."

His concerns have been echoed by Jago Russell, the policy officer for the civil liberties pressure group Liberty:

"Surely we would be better spending these millions of pounds on proven crime deterrents like more police on the streets?"

Walter Kean, the man in charge of CCTV in Glasgow, admitted here were doubts about its effectiveness. However, he said the cameras provided police and councils with a valuable weapon in the fight against crime and anti-social behaviour. Between April 2007 and March this year, 14,264 incidents were caught on CCTV in Glasgow. More than 1,500 on-the-scene arrests were made thanks to the cameras.

Mr Kean, the general manager of Glasgow Community and Safety Services, which operates the city's 400 publicly-funded CCTV cameras, said an unknown number of arrests would also have been made by police after reviewing CCTV footage.

He insisted that the benefits of CCTV extended to identifying missing children and aiding the work of council services by spotting local problems, such as burst water mains and abandoned cars.

But he conceded that it was unclear how successful CCTV was at solving and deterring crime. "It's very difficult to look at statistics and say whether CCTV is working or not. There are too many reports saying 'maybe it does, maybe it doesn't'. But we are convinced it is beneficial," he said.

"How many people get convicted on the back of CCTV? I would struggle to tell you. And how many have been charged on the back of CCTV? I wouldn't know either." He added: "CCTV doesn't make a difference on its own. If we had more resources, we would make better use of CCTV footage.

"But that's not to say CCTV isn't working. It is. It is helping to direct resources in Glasgow to where they are needed. CCTV is feeding heavily into the city- centre policing plan. A police officer sits in our centre on a Friday night and directs officers on the basis of what they see."

He continued: "More people are arrested because of CCTV. There is less fighting because of CCTV. If it hadn't been for CCTV, none of the 21/7 bombers would have been caught."

He also rejected suggestions from human rights activists that the spread of CCTV has become a threat to civil liberties: "If you're in the city centre doing no wrong, you will never feel any impact from CCTV. If you're in the city centre and start to cause trouble, you would expect there to be some consequence."

But he accepts the increased use of CCTV may have its downsides. One might be that they are discouraging the public from reporting crime: "I think there's a real risk that CCTV will do the community's duty. Sometimes that's a problem."

Mr Kean said CCTV only reduced the fear of crime when the public saw an immediate police response to incidents: "There's a need to feed that back to communities to say 'because of CCTV, this is happening'. The time between CCTV capturing an incident and someone being convicted can be very long."

Mr Kean's comments follow concerns raised by Detective Chief Inspector Mick Neville, of the Metropolitan Police, who described the use CCTV to convict criminals as a "fiasco".

He said: "Billions of pounds has been spent on kit, but no thought has gone into how the police are going to use the images and how they will be used in court. It's been an utter fiasco."

One Lothian and Borders police sergeant told The Scotsman that CCTV was "highly useful" in catching suspects. But he added: "Image quality can be a problem. When it comes to bringing a case to court, prosecutors, as a general rule, prefer eye witnesses."

A Crown Office spokesman said: "CCTV footage of a criminal incident can be instrumental in the decision by an accused person to submit an early guilty plea. Where there is a trial, CCTV footage is often used by the Crown in evidence in court."

Plan to deter crime – not just record it

WORK is now under way to make CCTV cameras stand out in a bid to deter more crimes.

Scotland's Violence Reduction Unit (VRU) is testing a camera in the centre of Glasgow which is fitted with a powerful light that can be activated when the operator believes a crime is about to be committed.

Karyn McCluskey, deputy head of the VRU, which is based in Glasgow, said: "CCTV was brought in to record crime and identify offenders, but we think it can do more to prevent crime.

"It's cold comfort if you've been assaulted and it has been caught on CCTV, but the camera didn't prevent it in the first place."

The move is seen as vital to unlock the potential of CCTV as a crime deterrent.

Walter Kean, general manager of Glasgow Community and Safety Services, an arms-length joint council and police body in charge of the city's CCTV network, said the cameras' ability to deter crime had been slowly eroded over time.

"In terms of public-space CCTV, it's become acceptable within the public domain," he said. "When you went from the train station to here, how many cameras did you see?

"The cameras aren't hidden, but they just blend in," he said. "If people were totally aware they were being recorded then, in reality, they wouldn't do it. But nine times out of ten they are under the influence of drink or drugs, so whatever happens, happens."

It is understood officials are also considering using speakers so people can be warned about their behaviour when the cameras spot something suspicious.

Such a CCTV system – using enhanced cameras with speaker systems to allow workers in control rooms to speak directly to people on the street – was trialled in Middlesbrough last year.

The Home Office said it led to an immediate drop in anti-social behaviour, and rolled the system out to 20 other communities south of the Border.

IN NUMBERS

1,566 – number of publicly-funded CCTV cameras in 25 local authorities and police forces which provided figures.

£27.2million – the purchase cost of Scotland's CCTV cameras.

£14.8million – the running costs of CCTV since 2004.

205,239 – the number of incidents recorded on CCTV since 2004.

43 – the average number of incidents recorded in Glasgow every day.

44,000 – number of incidents filmed last year in ten council and police force areas

6,200 – number of arrests last year as a result of CCTV in those same areas

15,011 – number of incidents filmed in Edinburgh last year

1,881 – people arrested as a result of CCTV in Edinburgh

59 per cent – proportion of filmed incidents resulting in arrest in Fife

8 per cent – proportion of filmed incidents resulting in arrest in Midlothian

350 – number of full-time police officers which could be bought for the public money spent on CCTV in the past four years.

1,400 – the number of prisoners who could be locked up for the same amount of cash

The full article contains 1635 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Guga II,

Rockall 26/05/2008 01:53:56
The image quality on most of these CCTV cameras is garbage, and there is no way that the grainy and blurry images would stand up in court.

The money spent on the ever increasing number of cameras and associated equipment would be better spent in getting the police out of their canteens and their nice warm patrol cars, and out in the streets.

As for this "if you're doing nothing wrong..." type of argument, that is also garbage. On that basis, none of us could object to our Stalinist, totalitarian control freak government making us all have micro-chips inserted into our bodies, with chip readers on every lamp-post and street corner.

Get the police out pounding the beat, once again. And if they are short of men, change the retiring age to that of the rest of us. They can use the older, fatter and unfit ones to answer phones, clean the stations, do the paperwork etc., and get the rest of them out on the beat.

2

tomi,

26/05/2008 04:23:39
Yes, CCTV is GREAT!!
It gives the authorities plenty of opportunities to spy on law abiding citizens in case that that they might happen to break some obscure law; and it tells the police where to avoid all these trouble-making louts that can freely roam our strets.
3

fruitbat,

Airdrie 26/05/2008 08:07:27
The best CCTV system in Europe is in Lanarkshire, it has won awards for the system and is linked to a variety of supporting services. The biggest issue is not what is seen and recorded but the time delay from reporting the sight of crime to the response time of the police. CCTV should be a tool in assisting police to aprehend criminals but the police themselves do not seem to value it or act on the information received from the camera operators or from the actual footage.
4

thinking,

Scotland 26/05/2008 08:13:11
Regular police patrols have always proved more effective
5

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 26/05/2008 08:40:28
Interesting that we are not being allowed to comment on MP Anne Moffat who was knocked unconscious in East Lothian's Cockenzie - then had her ribs broken by being kicked while unconscious - and robbed of her rings, earrings etc. The Scotsman does not even mention WHERE this took place - until the very last paragraph - where a police spokesman states it was Cockenzie.

Interesting to see a member of the East Lothian Labour Mafia on the receiving end of the feral scum which Nulabour's policies have spawned over the last decade: uneducated, undisciplined, unemployable, drunks, stoned scum. And Nulabour has created hundreds of thousands of them by the following policies:
1. Destroying teacher's rights to discipline pupils
2. Destroying parent's rights to discipline children
3. Dumbing down the education system to a Coca-Cola diploma
4. Destroying local businesses and any hope of a real manual job
5. Flooding the country with cheap imported labour from Eastern Europe - undercutting any hope fo local teenagers competing on an equal footing
6. Reducing the police service to a rarely seen, reactive, office-based band of quasi social workers.
7. Reducing the chance of punishment for these scum to a 'community service order'

I have genuine sympathy for Ms Moffat in terms of her own real suffering - but no sympathy for her as a member of a Party that has reduced many of Britain's cities to drink and drug riddled ghetto estates, populated by violent, uneducated, unemployable neanderthal scum. The fact that a tiny wee place like Cockenzie is now infected with this is a testament to 10 years of NuLabour's social engineering and destruction of decent family values.
6

ddmc,

26/05/2008 08:51:30
#6 the thought police are in action, the story on Moffat did allow posters earlier this morning.

But the hootsmon pulled it. The majority of posters werent too kind to her & some (including me) don't really believe her story. Who goes jogging with diamond ring & earings & they didnt even steal her mobile which was in her hand.
7

Paul Carline,

Scotland 26/05/2008 09:04:40
Ah yes, all those cameras - one for every 16 of us. But they never seem to be working when it's really important - and not just in the UK.
Someone mentioned 21/7 - the supposed follow-up to 7/7. But what about 7/7 itself? Not a single CCTV image from London. All the four cameras on the bus were either switched off or malfunctioning.
The only claimed CCTV image of the four alleged 'suicide bombers' is a single frame from a CCTV camera which purports to show the four men entering Luton Station at 7.21 am. That's suspicious in itself - why haven't we been shown the whole sequence?
It's clear why when you look at the photo closely. It's been forged. There are so many obvious anomalies in it that it's astonishing the police ever dared to release it - they must assume we're stupid.
Three of the four faces are unrecognisable, but what's most revealing is that half the pavement is wet and the other half dry - with no canopy over the dry part.
Yet this photo was presented to us as solid evidence.
If crucial CCTV photos can be manipulated like this we're in trouble.
8

Boy Wonder,

26/05/2008 09:08:04
CCTV: Does it actually work?

No.
9

Paul Carline,

Scotland 26/05/2008 09:09:31
Just to remind people ... no functioning CCTV cameras on the road from the hotel to the tunnel when Diana, Dodi and Henri Paul died.
No CCTV cameras functioning on the Pentagon on 9/11 - but CCTV film from two independent locations was confiscated by the FBI and has never been shown.
When the authorities and their agencies - including especially the police and secret services - are beyond public control we have the makings of a fascist state.
10

Who?,

26/05/2008 09:36:06
The CCTV cameras are the first wave in surveillance Britain.

Step 2 is already underway by forcing people to hand over their biometric details to the government. Evidently i don't own my biometrics the (new labour) government does and i can't get a passport or driving licence unless they get my genetic code.

Step 3 will involve everybody getting a national ID card which will contain an Radio Frequency ID chip as well as our biometric data. The cameras scattered all over the place will be able to read the RFI chip meaning our movements will be stored in a national database with a picture of them just for good measure.

Too many laws have been passed since 2001 which has allowed government agencies to record as much data about us as they like, without needing permission or letting us know about it. Surely its time to put a stop to this and bring back proper policing!
11

Mahmood,

Durban, South Africa 26/05/2008 09:52:46
Boy, and I thought we had problems! Looking at the picture of the camera, it is obvious ours are so 3rd world.

I have taken pictures of various cameras to prove that they have not moved a muscle in months, yet the city maintains that they are effective. Many of them are trained on residential areas, even looking directly through windows - remember, 'If you can see the camera, it can jolly well see you!".

The officers must have their hands full, what with so many cameras in, eh, service.
12

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26/05/2008 09:53:09
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vorlic,

edinburgh 26/05/2008 10:12:18
cctv are just another indication of a police state which the uk is being set up by the governments of the uk. i mean all governments.
14

famie,

australia 26/05/2008 10:16:35
What a waste. Is there something in the water over there that keeps the population in a state of ignorance? Not much better here. I am sure it is something to do with English speaking nations as they are the most backward when it comes to organizing their communities.
And as for the female politician who was attacked. It was karma. Who does she thinks she is flaunting her ill gotten gains at the expense of the social fabric of the people of Scotland? I abhor violence but these people and her ilk are overdue a reality check.
15

JohnBowes,

Glasgow 26/05/2008 10:36:55
What is recorded on CCTV will only lead to a conviction if there is CORROBORATION. In short, if an individual simply says "that is not me" the charge will fall. AND many such images are VERY poor.

Take colours, and clothing, it would be easy to dispute the clarity of what one sees on CCTV. All you are looking at is a "reflection" let's say. You are looking at something that is NOT real. A TV image is NOT real. You are NOT seeing the real colours and so on. To illustrate a prosecutor can point to clothing and say its red. BUT is it? Can they PROVE its REALLY red?
16

Peter Parkinson,

St. Leonards on Sea 26/05/2008 10:42:07
The Law abiding citizen has nothing to fear from CCTV, but the question is can the Authorities and Housing Authorities deal quickly and effectively with the offenders, drug dealers and pushers, also criminal fraternity. Move them on before they take hold of a community. Keep moving them and locking them up is the only way other than putting them down like a sick dog.
17

Dancer,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 10:43:12
As Billy Bragg said in a magazine interview. If your doing nothing wrong whats the problem with CCTV, using that often quoted phrase it would not bother you if I came round your house for a nose as you would not be doing anything wrong.
18

Miss H,

26/05/2008 10:54:41
I think CCTV has a place but it's obviously not a substitute for police officers on the street. There is no point trying to polarise the argument - it's not CCTV or more police. We need both. That doesn't mean we need universal surveillance either. It means having CCTV at known trouble spots.
19

Miss H,

26/05/2008 10:56:17
18 It would bother me if someone proposed to put CCTV in my house. But CCTV is used in public places. That's why it's not an invasion of privacy in my book. You are not private in a public place. You are in public and should behave accordingly.
20

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 11:11:00
The real value of CCTV surveillance/monitoring (call it what you will) is so our idiot, dumbed-down politicians can Be Seen To Be DOING SOMETHING. A few extra policeman-hours on the street's neither here nor there but Cameras are New, Shiny Technology and Expensive. So that must be A Good Thing. A bit like TramCars (sexy) compared to filling potholes (boring).
And #6&7; very shrewd observations - there's a distinct whiff of of halibut about this story.
21

Greenham Hope,

Perth 26/05/2008 11:16:04
Someone mentioned that cameras often 'aren't working' when we need them most. They should have added the lack of CCTV images of the four patsies aka hi-jackers supposedly going through three international airports on Sept 11; complete lack of CCTV of the supposed bomb-loaders going back and forth through the station concourse supposedly loading four trains with 12 bombs in Madrid; and the lack of CCTV evidence also from the bus and in Tavistock Sq (only one traffic cam image allowed) where Hasib Hussein is posthumously accused of murder.

Someone once defined a sociologist as a man with his eyes down and his palm up. I'ld like those who worry about lack of public surveillance from on high to put functioning TV cameras into Downing St meetings where mass murder is being planned - and then to take action to forestall and arrest the big perps.

Mind you, the dynamics of street violence are indeed serious, they have all to do with the social institution of the FRAT, or fratriarchy, gangs of lost sons having to prove to each other that they are something definite and seaparate from the girlies and the womanfolk, that they are Real Boys, then Real Men, by being prepared to drink most, shout loudest, get into more reputation-enhancing risks, scare the most people, - and all for fear of not knowing their own true selves as members of the one Motherland of peaceful community life, or 'matri-sphere' or 'softy community'.

The solutions to this chronic conditioning lie in loving families and in designing curricula and literacy programmes etc in schools around helping children stay true, real, open not cynical, and ready not just to individually go their own road, but also to speak out as and whenever the proto-bullying joshing and jockeying begins to kick in.

Too many anti-bullying strategies are focussed on the vitim or the victimiser (and people can be both at different times and contexts) and forget the third key which is to encourage and train third parties
22

Peter Baleares,

Palma 26/05/2008 11:21:33
Surely CCTV is effective if there is a Police unit ready to respond to an incident being watched by officers in real time, and to have as a back-up when some toe-rag has kicked the living sh!t out of someone on his way home, then claims he was the innocent one!
If you have nothing to hide why worry?
Some of the comments on the MP who was assauted and mugged before it was pulled were true to form on the Scotsman sites, compassion is certainly not a Scottish virtue.
23

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 26/05/2008 11:56:55
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A massive amount of public money has been invested in CCTV. The 1,566 cameras operated by the 25 councils and police forces that provided data to The Scotsman cost £27 million to purchase, with running costs of nearly £15 million accrued over the past four years."

How many Police would this amount of money put on the beat?
24

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 26/05/2008 11:59:08
Maybe CCTV is required at Port Seton. The Celtic scarf tells us a lot about the perpetrators.
25

NorT,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 12:26:38
It is a well known fact that CCTV will never prevent crime only help solve it. There are many reports that state that the money would be better spent on good street lighting which is a far better detterent. Also spend the money on police on the beat rather than waste it on CCTV.
26

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27

Doktor Jon,

London 26/05/2008 12:45:00
We could look at this argument from a slightly alternative perspective.

Let's say for arguments sake that "vehicles don't work", simply because I've been trying to deliver the post using an articulated lorry, operate a mass transit system using two seater sports cars instead of buses, or deliver ready mixed concrete to a building site using a refrigerated van.

Vehicles actually work relatively well, provided the correct vehicle is used for the job.

CCTV has become a generic term for video surveillance, but it doesn't actually say anything at all about the technology or techniques which have been applied in any given situation. So saying that CCTV doesn't currently work well may be literally true in many situations, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it wouldn't work extremely well, if it was correctly profiled and deployed according to operational, rather than perhaps political objectives.

The reason that video surveillance in the UK is obviously inefficient despite huge levels of investment, is that nobody with there hand on the cheque book bothered to think too deeply as to how it should be used appropriately, to address a wide range of specific issues.

Current concerns were well understood by some even twenty years ago, but their perspective was never really considered.

By all means have a lively and informed debate about the merits or otherwise of using huge amounts of video surveillance equipment, but perhaps in the interests of accuracy that should be tempered with just a little bit of background knowledge or insight on the subject.
28

Sylvia in Regina,

Regina 26/05/2008 12:54:22
#6 & #7 HERE HERE!!! SPOT ON!!!

I totally agree with #24. Couldn't have put it any better!!!
29

open,

west coast 26/05/2008 13:56:42
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30

morris,

edinburgh 26/05/2008 14:53:19
What CCTV does is encourage the semi brain dead to go elsewhere,so it tends to relocate the neds rather than deter them,but that does not mean we should not be using it.Provided its used for legitimate purpose then I have no problem with CCTV.
Of course the completely brain dead will just be assholes anywhere .They probably dont even know what CCTV is!Ask them and they will say nah were oan cable an at ken!

The resolution which is possible at distances is limited of course and facial recognition is not always possible ,but at least we can establish when and what colour their clothes were and maybe just maybe something identifiable enough to reduce the possibilities significantly.They can deter crime at a particular locus but presumably only the real dead wood could commit a crime in close proximity to a camera and not realise they are on video!Having said that I did see a USA video about a gang who entered a bank with intention to rob it,but put their masks on only after they had entered (so as to not look conspicuous)which was captured on CCTV of course. As long as their are people as thick as this then CCTV has a purpose.
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morris,

edinburgh 26/05/2008 15:03:02
33 cont

Should read there not their of course.
Interesting that the figure for resultant arrest/prosecution which resulted from CCTV was 59% in Fife and 8% in Lothian.That seems a bit of a discrepancy surely? Any thoughts(apart from I am a lousy typist that is)?
32

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 26/05/2008 18:11:35
4 Awards for CCTV!!!!, that is sick.

Spying on your population is not a solution.

Of course city CCTV does't work for isolated crime, it is designed for mass insurrection/uprising/revolution monitioring.

Still, spying on your population sets up all sorts of unacceptable social reactions from self-consciousness, vanity, paranoia, fear to hatred and crime obviously goes were there are not cameras.

Once again this is the imperial government in current collapse desperate to control all it has left, using George Orwells "Big Brother" theme from the film 1984 as a mission plan.
33

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 18:18:49
2 & 6 are spot on ....

Police are little more than tax collectors 'en force' now. The police and courts no longer deserve respect as they no longer represent justice. They no longer define what is right and wrong as a principal they merely uphold laws with no conscience nor question. If a politician passed a law stating that no coffee was allowed on Wednesdays these pumpkins would probably uphold it!

They prosecute soft targets with impunity in order to extort fines (such as motorists) and let violent criminals off with a slap on the wrists. You cannot even protect yourself or your property without fear of prosecution or being sued by the criminal.

CCTV or no CCTV (what is the betting we'll find an ex-senior labour party member on the board of the CCTV companies ??) the justice system need to take a long hard look at itself and decide whether they will have a voice and the balls to shout about the injustices that they are asked to carry out by corrupt self interest dominated politicians/councils who are merely the mouthpieces of rabid militant minorities. If they do not then they should be ashamed and never practice law ever again on the basis they have betrayed the trust of the people they are meant to protect.
34

PointOf View,

26/05/2008 19:24:15
I agree with most of the posts. Basically CCTV put simply big brother watching you and not necesarly for the right reasons. More importantly did anyone see this ~
A recent statement from Cameron ~
"Citing a host of Tory greats, including Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, he argued it was time to solve these issues using Conservative values. Among the solutions he suggested were using the tax system to get people out of poverty, setting a price for carbon emissions to create markets and opening up the state monopoly on education to new providers".

Thacherism here we come AGAIN. Plus looks like he wants to privatise education just like they did NHS, ect. Look at the state of the hospitals since using contractors, filthy.

Use the tax system to get people out of poverty,= More TAX.
Price setting for carbon emissions, = Per mile Road charges, tax).
Open up State monopoly on Education. = Contract out, just like they did the NHS cleaners ect!!!

Scottish? you know what makes sence, SNP.
35

PointOf View,

Edinburgh 26/05/2008 19:26:07
Sorry before anyone says. I'm using a new fangled keyboard hence spelling typo's
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john z,

edinburgh 26/05/2008 21:38:52
CCTV records crime, it does not prevent it, and rarely helps secure a conviction.

I once stood outside Glasgow Central train Station, while several thugs knocked each others lights out. Despite at least four CCTV cameras watching nothing was done.

A PCSO who was there said he could not intervene, and he also told me he had radio'd twice for the polce.

CCTV IS good for general spying on people, and catching people commit the most modern of Heinous 'crimes' like putting bins out a day early, or leaving a bin with the lid slightly open, or dropping litter. That is what CCTV is extremely good at.

The muggers and rapists carry on regardless.

 

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