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Published Date:
25 August 2007
RANGERS have escaped punishment following outbreaks of sectarian singing among a section of their fans at the away match with Inverness Caledonian Thistle earlier this month.
But the Ibrox club have been told that a repeat episode could see the club reported to the SPL Commission, where they will run the risk of sanctions against the club. These include fines, the deduction of points and even expulsion. On this occasion,
however, no action will be taken despite the SPL confirming there had been outbreaks of sectarian chanting during the course of the match on 4 August, which Rangers won 3-0.

However, police could not identify any specific individuals taking part in this singing and made no arrests, although Rangers stewards, planted by the club among the away support, were able to report a number of individuals who were involved in unacceptable conduct. The SPL has accepted Rangers' pledge to deal with these fans in-house and also the argument that the club had done everything it could to prevent such behaviour from their supporters at the match.

The SPL noted "there had been incidents of unacceptable conduct during the course of the match involving sectarian singing and chanting by an element of the Rangers fans present at the match". However, the SPL board took into account the club's efforts to eradicate such conduct by some of their supporters. Rangers voluntarily provided a number of additional stewards at the match, whose primary task was to work within the away support to identify anyone engaged in sectarian singing. A number were reported back to the club, with Rangers poised to act on the information received.

Measures are likely to include the revocation of ticketing rights, removal of season tickets and life bans from Ibrox.

The SPL has chosen to let Rangers deal with the miscreants and applauded the "very extensive" steps taken by the club to work with its supporters on the issue of unacceptable behaviour. Both Inverness Caledonian Thistle and Rangers co-operated fully with the inquiry and contributed two sets of detailed written material.

"The SPL received full answers from the clubs to questions addressed to them and interviewed the chief executives of each of the two clubs," said the statement. "The reports from the SPL match delegate and the match report prepared by the match commander appointed by Northern Constabulary were also considered."

Rangers have been fined more than £21,000 by UEFA for similar offences in Champions League and UEFA Cup ties but the SPL proved a more lenient body. Iain Blair, the SPL company secretary, stressed that the "SPL is fully committed to working with its clubs, other football authorities and the police to develop and implement strategies which will lead to the eradication of unacceptable conduct, particularly sectarianism, within football in Scotland."

The findings were welcomed by Rangers chief executive Martin Bain. "We are pleased the SPL has recognised that our club had done everything it could to prevent unacceptable conduct by supporters at the match against Inverness Caledonian Thistle," he said.

"The SPL has made clear what is expected of clubs and I am pleased that the board has recognised the substantial efforts this club makes in tackling unacceptable behaviour. This decision does not mean that offensive singing and chanting will be tolerated.

"Unacceptable conduct by some fans at the match in question has been condemned not only by this club but by every major Rangers supporters' organisation and it is in everyone's interests this type of behaviour is eradicated."



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1

Teary Ennui,

25/08/2007 00:23:34

A warning is what we should have expected for a first offence under the new rules. Let's hope those David Murray called "the FTP brigade" heed it.

2

Fayneant,

NZ 25/08/2007 00:24:04

A sensible outcome. There needs to be clear definition between club and personal responsibility. Ranger hired extra stewards to infiltrate the crowd and identify those who were responsible for this idiotic behaviour. What else are they expected to do?
Every club has their idiotic followers, whether it's sectarian numbskulls at Rangers or the systematic violence of soccer casuals. Nobody is proud of these fools.
Rangers have a bigger problem due to the regrettable history of anti-catholicism. Those days are over - all associated with the club have made that abundantly clear - if they are doing what they can to fix this, they need to be cut some slack.

3

Prince Myshkin,

Gold Coast, Australia 25/08/2007 00:26:09

I think this is a fair decision. There is no doubt that since the opening game at Inverness, the Rangers fans have stopped the sectarian chanting, so the desired effect has been achieved, and that should be an end to it and the board are right to leave it at that. I am sure that if there hadn't been an improvement since then, the board would have taken a more serious view and Rangers would have been punished.

I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't want my team winning the SPL title because Rangers have been deducted points. I want Celtic to win it on merit.

Maybe this can be looked on as the start of a new era where sectarian chanting is excluded from Scottish football for evermore.

If only we can get rid of the mindless morons who abuse the visiting officials on the bench.

We can but hope.

4

Fayneant,

NZ 25/08/2007 00:33:06

Prince - good comment. Won't be long before this thread deteriorates, but at least it's started well...

5

John M.,

25/08/2007 00:38:01

Hopefully now the Scottish media will get back to talking about the football again.

6

scotsman,

mel 25/08/2007 00:38:52

very very patient, i could understand if it was the 3rd or 4th time this has happend but seen as it's the 1st time i have no problem. Fair call.

7

paulmac,

surrey 25/08/2007 00:48:47

#3 Prince.....

I totally agree.

I don't want them deducted points.

Don't get me wrong, if there is a repeat by their support then they deserve everything they get in terms of punishments.

Lets see how they perform at Killie tomorrow, now they know there are club spies amongst them!

8

paulmac,

surrey 25/08/2007 00:53:28

#6

C'mon...Scotsman...I assume you mean, the first time they've been called to book under the new rules?

9

scotsman,

mel 25/08/2007 01:14:01

oh , yes the New rules. sorry forgot. It's a fair call.

10

Statsman,

25/08/2007 01:49:50

"Rangers escape sectarian action"

Imagine my shock!

11

walshy,

25/08/2007 02:06:42

police could not arrest anyone of them, strange when a celtic steward could tell the police to arrest a fan. Rangers steward took noted of some of the offenders and they will pass this onto Rangers to sort out, why didn't the rangers steward do what the celtic one did and point out the trouble makers and get the police to arrest them?

12

CALEDONIACO,

SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE 25/08/2007 03:01:25

S.F.A.
Hang your heads in shame, if these people were singing up to our knee's in nigg-r's blood the Goverment would intervene, but I guess it's a wee bit ok if they sing up our knee's in feinian (catholic) blood and simply the best f--k the pope and all the rest.
S.F.A. you are a despicable bunch of gutless racists, you are actually worse than the A-holes who sing this vile sh#t.
Don't you not realize that you are in a position of power to actually change the course of history in Scotland instead you choose to turn the other head away, even when you have all of the evidence in front of you still refuse to punish the guilty party even with monitery fines.
Shame on all of you, I hope F.I.F.A. or E.U.F.A. have the power to drag you lot (S.F.A.) kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

13

Gandalf the Great,

Slayer of Orcs 25/08/2007 03:03:56

If anyone thinks for one moment that any authority in this toxic little backwater called Scotland will challenge Rangers then they are delusional.

The only way this shameful institution will ever get what's coming to them is when they spew their bile in Europe.

Rangers will, as always, try and discredit their European opponents, this time, Red Star Belgrade, as being racist, papist, etc, as a smokescreen to deflect attention away from their hordes of morons who poison the cities of Europe.

Fortunately, their days are numbered, at last.

14

John M.,

25/08/2007 03:14:41

UEFA don't care. They only took token action on appeal after the Scottish media and certain politicians put pressure on them. Jack McConnell has gone now. This issue is going to slowly slide off the agenda again.

15

Canada,

Canada 25/08/2007 03:33:37

Last time a wiz at Ibrox a couldnae take in a cerry oot. Noo a cannae sing the Sash or the Billy Boys. an the team full o furoners. Gie us a brek.

16

Fayneant,

NZ 25/08/2007 03:43:57

12 Gandalf - when did anyone at Ibrox insinuate or state that Red Star were papist? The racist chants were clear for all to hear.

17

Barnacle Bill,

25/08/2007 03:46:31

#14 ???????

Very droll!

I don't think you're a Rangers fan........ but you're very clever. Try reading the sensible posts on this thread. Anyone involved in sectarian chanting, of any sort, should be attested,charged and dealt with by the full force of the law, such behaviour is disgusting and an embarassment! Those of you who try to paint the whole of society as agin you are only looking for a reason to excuse your own unreasonable behaviour.

18

Barnacle Bill,

25/08/2007 03:47:23

attested- doh should be arrested!!!!!!

19

Barnacle Bill,

25/08/2007 04:21:18

Gandalf-I didn't realise that the Serbian Orthodox Churh was a part of the Roman Catholic church, come to that, I don't think they did! I for 1 am certainly not trying to deflect attention from any mindless bigots, who should all be unmasked for what they are, and believe they are a scourge on our society!

I also believe in having respect for our neighbours beliefs and the way they wish to practice those beliefs. I would never assume that because someones practices are similar to mine that they belive exactly the same, ie. Presbyterian - Methodist, Roman Catholic - Anglican, Greek Orthodox - Russian Orthodox, etc... That would be a bit arrogant, wouldn't you agree?

20

Dubai,

25/08/2007 04:27:52

2 and 3 Well said. The game and the country would be better without the zealots.

21

Dubai,

25/08/2007 04:33:42

12 Gandalf your preoccupation with religion is exactly what Scotland is trying to get rid of. People like you are no longer welcome in football. Clear message.

22

Dubai,

25/08/2007 04:37:28

7. As for today Killie1 (naismith) rangers 4 (cousin, 2 boyd 2)
Celtic 3 Hearts 2. Hearts to score first. Celtic to equalise. Hearts to go ahead early in second half. Celtic to get two late goals to win.

23

Gandalf the Great,

Slayer of Orcs 25/08/2007 04:55:29

For as long as people criticise those of us who condemn the vocal minority of morons who pollute Rangers, these morons will continue to thrive.

Rather than engage in puerile debate with me over whether my motives are genuine or antagonistic, start addressing the filth that keep your club in the gutter.

Of course the vast majority of Gers are decent people. Of course there is a (MUCH smaller) portion of Celtic fans equally vile.

But let's get the facts right. The small minority of Orcs who are destroying your club are THE problem and unless/until the decent fans turn on them, you deserve everything that's coming to you.

24

blue nosed springbok,

25/08/2007 04:58:55

Sectarianism is an embarassment to anyone that has at least some sort of IQ passing single digits. Rangers' official stance is that it is totally unacceptable. The so-called fans that continue to defy the club and the decent fans are not true fans. They are bigotted scum that have hate in their hearts and use the excuse of supporting a football club to spit it out. Rangers FC dont want these idiots supporting them. Rather go and support Gretna or f@!k off to Belfast - Rangers (and Scotland for that matter) don't want you.

25

Paul Voltaire,

25/08/2007 05:04:38

Rangers only changed their attitude to sectarianism because they HAD to.
Bigotry was big business for a long time.

26

Dubai,

25/08/2007 05:08:06

22 Gandalf would you like to realistically outline the actions that Rangers should be taking that they haven't taken already. Or perhaps you can wave your magic wand.

27

samcdonald22,

Jambo Land 25/08/2007 05:09:48

They have just given fans the green flag! disgrace!

28

Gala Doug,

Caspian sea 25/08/2007 05:12:06

Don't worry Gordon Smith will sort it all out............
............... perhaps.

29

Dubai,

25/08/2007 05:16:23

24 You have a point but I think that attitudes in the West of Scotland are improving generally from the cessation of violence in Northern Ireland. Another generation free from bombing and shooting headlines may just solve the problem.

30

Dubai,

25/08/2007 05:20:31

Any predictions on todays games anybody?

31

Gandalf the Great,

Slayer of Orcs 25/08/2007 05:27:08

Number 25, It is MUCH,MUCH too late for Rangers as a club to do anything more. At the moment they are doing everything that they can and I applaud them for that, even if they have only acted because of Uefa threats.

The problem is that for decades, rangers have profited from bigotry and sectarian policies, on and off the field, on a breathtaking scale and encouraged generations of morons to teach their children hatred. As a result, it will take years to change this culture.

So, once again, stop your "lip-trembling" tantrums, stop makiing excuses, stop blaming others for your woes and start challenging the morons that shame your club and our country.

32

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25/08/2007 05:40:06
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33

Fayneant,

NZ 25/08/2007 05:44:43

30 - and how does unsubstantiated accusations of 'papism' claims from Ibrox towards Red Star help the situation?
Guys like you are part of the problem, not the solution

34

jumpship,

25/08/2007 06:23:08

12. Gandalf the Great,-------- If anyone thinks for one moment that any authority in this toxic little backwater called Scotland ----------

You can take that comment and shove it where the sun don't shine. Why does the old infirm fans keep bringing in Scotland when they are talking about there shame. Rankers and smeltic make me sick and the quicker they get shut down the better for Scotland and the rest of the world . If you truly believe Scotland is a little toxic backwater why don't you G.T F then ya bigoted racist idiot.

35

Ian.M,

North Ayrshire 25/08/2007 06:24:05

It would be churlish for anyone not to want rid of this problem, but the precedent has now been set with this non-punishment. If Celtic are charged for the first time and are punished then people may suspect sectarianism itself as the main motive! Let's not forget thare are people determined to have Celtic charged - the lies on STV the other night being an example, when the facts were freely available to them.

36

puskas,

East Kilbride 25/08/2007 06:42:57

No 11 Walshy.

You would have needed a battalion of Scots Guards to eject over 3,000 bigots..

Strenght in numbers tend to protect and therefore no action is taken..

I personally have no confidance in the SFA, SPL, Gordon Smith.
Smith on BBC Radio Scotland showed his views as not imparchial an indeed didn't think the songs been sung were not unacceptable.... Live on..

37

FOOTBALLAGAINSTRACISMEUROPE,

25/08/2007 06:46:26

A sensible outcome imo.In theory Rangers were found guilty but as first offenders hopefully a warning will suffice.There is a strong possibility that UEFA were consulted pre-decision but regardless,hopefully Rangers can locate those responsible from then and now on and ban them indefinitely.

38

Dubai,

25/08/2007 06:50:49

30 Gandalf. I am not familiar with the term lip trembling. But since you seem to be posting for effect better to leave you alone.

39

Dubai,

25/08/2007 06:53:13

34 what should Rangers be doing that they are not doing to solve the problem?

40

BlueNose NZ,

Auckland 25/08/2007 06:55:24

Lets all accept this decision and move on.

It would appear that the offenders have heeded the strong words from the club, fans and the authorities who have all come together and made it clear that their 'songs' have no place in todays society.

Today will be a big test, lets hope we don't hear anything untoward and we can all come back tomorrow and talk about football.

Dubai as asked - Predictions;

Celtic 3-1 Hearts
Falkirk 3-0 St Mirren
Gretna 0-2 Motherwell
Hibs 2-1 Aberdeen
ICT 1-2 Dundee Utd
Killie 1-2 Rangers

41

Celtic Bhoy,

Carlisle 25/08/2007 06:55:24

I also think it was a reasonable decision. No matter what Rangers board do appear to be trying to eradicate their problem.

Lets hope the morons do get the message.

One thing though, how was it that not one of the stewards could point out one of the fans involved?

42

donald,

weegieland 25/08/2007 06:55:58

What a spineless bunch the loyalist SPL are. They will never act to end the sectarian disgrace.

The Tartan Army should occupy their premises and drink their booze..

43

Dubai,

25/08/2007 06:59:53

I think that the focus on this issue is very bad for the image of the game in Scotland. We have a good chance of two Scottish clubs in the CL group stages for the first time. For the last two seasons a Scottish club has progressed beyond the group stages. The national team is doing well. Maybe we should be celebrating instead of constantly inviting attention to the behaviour of a minority of West of Scotland people who are taking their problems to football games.

44

Dubai,

25/08/2007 07:04:42

39 Apart from the first result I hope you are correct.

45

spider pig,

25/08/2007 07:24:27

39: I think Aberdeen will beat hibs.
I think the penny has finally dropped for the idiots that sing these songs. We will have to wait and see.

46

Pat the Hat,

Baile an tSaoir 25/08/2007 07:35:10

I am in shock!

Shock, that is, because some people appear to have believed the SPL would actually do something about this problem rather than merely make the right noises.

The SPL say Rangers will handle the problem "in-house". Why, then, three weeks later, are we still waiting to hear how many were reported – hundreds were singing, after all – and what their punishment has been. Or will be.

47

Peter Wyngarde,

25/08/2007 07:53:03

Another slap on the wrist, a "you've been bad, now don't do it again or we'll maybe stop your pocket money and no tv for you for a weekend" will not stop these fans delivering their antiquated, racist and bigotted songs of hate, the only way to get anyone to take this seriously is to actually apply some kind of punishment and not just a warning...

Deduct points
Fine the club
Arrest those involved
Shut down stands and make the team play behind closed doors
Stop all fans travelling to away games

Whatever is suitable!

It is a serious issue that blights our society, one that is so outdated in modern society that if it was any other country we would be laughing at them, and as has been said before is "good for business" for the Old Firm...until a serious and suitable stand is made against sectarianism these little slaps on the wrist will do nothing to make anyone think about their behaviour, if these people have the capacity to think in the first place of course...

48

Trevafc,

Aiberdeen 25/08/2007 07:55:48

You heard sectarian songs at the Red Star game and the Chelsea pre season matches also,this is something that will never go away,simple as

49

T-rex,

a tree 25/08/2007 07:59:05

Religion by its very nature is sectarian,remember the Spanish inquisition,the Holy wars all because if you dont believe what we beleive chop chop.It is nonsense to lay this at Rangers door,bigotry and sectarianism are sadly traits of human nature and people,who are honest know it will never be eradicated.The strange thing about this country is that extremists of other persuations are allowed to spout there hatred of this country and its western way of life,while living here,while the natives are threatend with exposure as pariahas of society for singing not very tuneful songs of past glories or indiscretions,what a strange society we have become.

50

Ricco,

25/08/2007 08:12:59

#48
T-rex
Care to clarify your argument, please. It appears to be "let's concentrate on the Islamists and leave our petty squabbles alone". I think we can aim to be bigger than that.

Correct decision by SPL. Things are moving. Slowly, but definitely.

51

Dubai,

25/08/2007 08:13:40

45 and 46 I think you are more interested in action being taken against Rangers than you are in stopping sectarian singing. What else do you suggest that Rangers do to stop the problem.

52

Lubo,

St Andrews 25/08/2007 08:20:07

Nothing wrong with the decision but why will we not be able to read the follow up? Could it be that the "A number were reported back to the club, with Rangers poised to act on the information received. " will be heading even now into the ether?

53

Thommo,

25/08/2007 08:25:36

"Rangers will, as always, try and discredit their European opponents, this time, Red Star Belgrade, as being racist, papist" (#12)

Leaving aside the "papist" nonsense, the problem of racism among Eastern European fans is well-known and the chants aimed at Beasley and Darcheville are well-documented. It says a lot that you do not condemn the racism but instead try to somehow use it to attack Rangers, whose players were the victims of it.

As for the SPL verdict on Rangers, anybody who is genuinely outraged by it isn't being rational. A warning is totally appropriate for a first offence under the new system.

54

T-rex,

a tree 25/08/2007 08:26:58

49 no argument,simple fact.

55

Continental,

25/08/2007 08:29:34

On this occasion it is the right decision. The new rules only came into effect this season and this SPL always said the first infringment of the the rules would be looked at but not actioned unless it was a serious misdemeanour (sp?).

Rangers are trying hard to address this problem and are to be commended for it but there is still more they can do. Their problem is the away support (and to a lesser degree is the same with Celtic). If chanting is heard today or whenever while at away games then the club should stop selling tickets for away games.

Yes, it hurts the decent fans but until they take responsibility and report offenders the problem isn't going to go away. And if the club starts losing away games due and having no support in the grounds maybe then the penny will drop.

56

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 25/08/2007 08:29:43

mm..so this is the first time rangers fans have sung sectarian songs..so a warning is fair enough..??

i do like the idea of the spl taking further action...since they took no action this time....

also the media need to take their headphones off metaphorically..

oh well heres to the football today...4 possible league leaders by 5 pm tonight x

57

Dubai,

25/08/2007 08:33:21

54 if Rangers ban tickets for away games but fans with rangers jumpers and scarfs get tickets anyway will Rangers still be responsible?

58

spider pig,

25/08/2007 08:37:58

Dubai: It amazes me how much they hate Rangers. Guys, it's not a conspiracy the decision was the correct one. If these songs persist then there should be a fine. Then points reduction.
#47 As loathsome as sectarian singing is Aberdeen will next be looked at for there joyful singing about the Ibrox disaster. This is offensive yet nothing gets done.

59

The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 08:41:18

Dubai

You have been extremely vocal all week on the WGS issue, claiming that he broke the rules so he should face the full consequences. Low and behold the rangers are caught breaking the rules but you are ferverently condemning anyone who suggests that they should have been punished.

A little hypocritical, would you say??

60

Sickofbull,

25/08/2007 08:43:37

T-REX,U REALLY R A DINOSAUR.

61

The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 08:45:26

If the rangers stewards planted in the crowd could pick out the offenders, why weren't these reported immediately to the police (as the lone offender at Pittodrie was by a Celtic steward), instead of being reported to the club where they will escape any punishment??

62

nearlyneurotic,

25/08/2007 08:46:20

The corruption and cowardice shown by the SPL surprises no one.
The only peepell to suffer as a result of this cowardly corrupt act is Rangers F.C.

Their pay back time will come somewhere in Europe.
Its a certainty.

Rangers fans wont change.They dont want to.
Their continuing prejudices will ensure that they are banned from European competition.

That is when those of us who are dissappointed, but not at all surprised of the SPL`s cowardice and corrupt decision,will be given our satisfaction.

Until that day comes and in the meantime I take pleasure watching and listening to the Ibrox hordes in their space on the terraces.
Periods of silence,periods of one group singing songs contrary to another bundle of fans and periods of stuttered singing.

The stuttered singing is the best one to gain enjoyment from...BBwahahaKAK...thats no the right words..bbwahahaha...

Now thats what I call entertainment.....three cheers for the lost chanters of Ragz F.C....

Hip hip hooray---Hooray hip hip---Hip hooray hooray
HOORAY hOORAY HIP hip hooray....

Guffaw guffaw arf arf arf...thhrrrppp....

63

Dubai,

25/08/2007 08:49:20

58 I agree but the people who are complaining the most are all part of the problem. I also think that there are bigger troubles in the world than a few nitwits singing songs on a Saturday afternoon. And I have yet to hear anybody coming up with suggestions about what else Rangers are supposed to be doing about the problem. Anyway Spider Pig things are looking good. Early start this afternoon to go 5 clear before another nervy performance from the fallen jolly green giants.

64

spider pig,

25/08/2007 08:55:19

NN: you are an embarrassment.

65

T-rex,

a tree 25/08/2007 08:57:39

60 Perhaps,but still king of all I surveyed,enlighten me o erudite one,with the answer to this problem that has existed since man stood upright,they used to execute murderers,but it didn't stop other murders being commited,there is no solution, only the knowledge that human nature is what it is,volatile.

66

Dubai,

25/08/2007 08:59:37

50 no hypocrisy. I have been saying all week that Strachan should know better and he should. Your attempts to justify his behaviour by finding somebody else who behaved worse is not going to work. He is one well paid individual and if he cant behave what chance have the clubs got of getting the supporters to behave. As for the chanting issue you think SFA should have gone directly to points deduction or recognized that Rangers are trying to do something abut this problem? Finally what else should Rangers be doing to solve this problem? I am sure everybody at Ibrox would like to know the quick fix.

67

puskas,

Est Kilbride 25/08/2007 08:59:44

No51 Lubo.

Rangers FC should be open if that is the case. Much cloak and dagger stuff from Murray as always

A Numer of supporters groups have met.

Some of them I know and it can be assured by me that to change them would take electric shock treatment along with a labotomy.

The problem Rangers FC have they let this problem go on for countless generations.. Thats fact that no one can argue against..
I believe to stop it the SFA had to shock and that did not happen.

Can I also say ......... Rangers are not the lone culprits, certainly the worst..

Kilmarnock supporters at Celtic Park recently spouted their Bile.. Some singing the Killie boys and the majority singing the other. Maybe the Rangers supporters should act similar and get away with it like their counterparts in Ayrshire..

I find the best behaved supporters in the SPL are Inverness Caley....
The worst .. From the top.
Rangers
Hearts
Kilmarnock
Motherwell
Falkirk
Dundee United
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Hibs/Celtic
Gretna/Inverness Caley

To the fair minded I believe an accurate appraisal..

68

The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 09:02:37

63

"And I have yet to hear anybody coming up with suggestions about what else Rangers are supposed to be doing about the problem."

They could have instructed their stewards to report any offenders to the police. However, they continue to insist on dealing with the issue themselves, which is obviously not working.

69

spider pig,

25/08/2007 09:09:45

63:
I agree you get a few sellick fans that are not trying to profit from the situation and take a measured response to episode at Inverness. They seem to want to see the problem solved rather than score points. Others see conspiracy and blind themselves by their own hatred.
I would certainly like a victory today as it may stop the conspiracy mob whinging on about our easy start.
I think sellick might bottle it if we win today they haven’t faced concerted pressure in the last couple of years. Hearts may sneak a draw….although I’ve been wrong in the past!!

70

spider pig,

25/08/2007 09:19:00

#67
Sellick near the bottom of your list - i suppose singing about glorifying terrorists is ok. Very measured of you.
Aberdeen near the bottom as well - I suppose singing about the Ibrox disaster is ok.
To the fair minded you are talking rubbish.

71

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 25/08/2007 09:19:46

i do think when at least 3 leading reporters/journalists say there was no sectarian singing at the ict game ..and then when they discovered it was unmissible they said they had their headphones on and couldnt hear it..suggests collusion..this will need to stop..basically rather than saying they couldnt hear as they had their headphones on..they said there was no sectarian singing...what sort of spin is that..x

72

puskas,

Est Kilbride 25/08/2007 09:20:13

No70.. Your well named

73

Teary Ennui,

25/08/2007 09:21:39

If the police want the names of any offenders spotted by Rangers stewards they can approach the club. Some people are determined to find any pretext to attack Rangers.

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paulmac,

surrey 25/08/2007 09:23:42

#66 Dubai...

He spoke to a steward/official.

What is there to know better about?

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 09:26:31

66

Absolute rubbish.. If rangers fans and officials wanted to stamp out a minority singing such songs, it could have been dealt with a long time ago. As I said at 68, reporting offenders to the police at the source of the singing would quickly make it clear that fans & stewards etc, will not stand for these idiots dragging down the name of your club. However, it seems the minority are not so minor in the case of the rangers, and people are just willing to turn a blind eye, as they know the authorities are probably going to do nothing!

On the WGS issue, I'm talking, as you were during the week, that when rules are broken there are always offenders that should know better, and there are also punishments in place to deal with them. WGS should not have left his technical area, and thousands of rangers fans should not sing hateful, bile filled sectarian chants.

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Plonker,

25/08/2007 09:27:58

Sadly, in the same way that we know Craig Bellamy
will f*** up again at some point, we know this Rangers sectarian chanting thing will happen again. It will be interesting to see what the SPL or whatever do then. They can't keep coming up with the old "recognised that the Ibrox club have done everything....." excuse. Or can they ?.

Celtic are, of course, in this as well, even though the story's about Rangers. Although the Celtic fans have shown more "restraint" in this regard, the demon ears will be out there, listening........

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puskas,

Est Kilbride 25/08/2007 09:32:36

Its concerning that this issue again is getting brushed under the old Rangers rug. The embers fall through the grill and are about to set fire to their bygone beliefs..

Does it not give concern that the SFA inparticular give most football fans the feeling they are a manimulator for Rangers FC.
Next up .. Walter Smith wishes the u21 rule for the bench to be changed.. LOL . A number of managers in the SPL have previously made that reguest .. Including Gordon Strachan..

I suppose Wattie will get his way in time LOL

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paulmac,

surrey 25/08/2007 09:33:49

#66 Dubai...

Your right, there is no quick fix.

It will not change over night.

It took Celtic a number of years to change the mindset at home games, which took a massive and continued effort.

Our home games have changed, and have been that way for quite some time.

We have concentrated on our away support for the last 2-3 years to change their behaviour in terms of songs.

It has got better, and the situation last week at Pittodrie with our own stewards diggin out the culprit, is...I think, the smallest action that will have the biggest catalyst to change their attitude once and for all.

Rangers need to do the same, have your own stewards dig out the culprits.

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spider pig,

25/08/2007 09:49:34

#72 Puskas :Because I disagree with you?
Has everyone got to agree with you?What an enlightened response.
You then followed up with a conspiracy theory in #77 that’s priceless!!!

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Media 1,

cape town 25/08/2007 09:51:59

This is a sensible outcome and a welcome one for Scottish football.

People who are passionate about Scottish football and against secterianism will WELCOME and accept this outcome. Those who are against change, those who are bigoted, will have something negative to say about the outcome.

Scrool through the comments, you will see the bigots from the non bigots.

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spider pig,

25/08/2007 09:53:39

Paulmac: You are the first Celtic fan i've read on here that has admitted that CFC had a problem.
I must commend you for it.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 10:00:05

81

Ah yes... Deal with rangers rather large problems by trying to raise awarness of other clubs smaller problems... Thats the way to deal with the bigots!!

Take your head out of the sand.. The rangers have serious issues, Celtic have dealt with theres to the most part.

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spider pig,

25/08/2007 10:05:02

TTH: Eh?

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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 25/08/2007 10:06:05

# 81..and theres the rub spider..your complimenting paul for pointing out celtic have been dealing with this for years to the point where it doesnt exist at celtic park..and is all but dealt with at away grounds..you are equating it with your team being investigated by the spl..uefa.. you need to keep trying harder....
its a bit like rangers fans goiong on about celtic fans embarressing treatment of mark walters...we have moved on....rangers fans have made monkey noises at bobo balde in the last 2-3 seasons...they need to move on....the one thing rangers could do is hold celtic up as an example...x

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Media 1,

cape town 25/08/2007 10:11:45

#82 The Truth Hurts:

You are a bigot of the worst kind. You try and come across as an anti secterian supporter, yet you draw a divide between Celtic and Rangers by suggesting that one is worse than the other.

That sir, is the classic we are better than you bigot brigade who are hell bent on sustaining the divide at all costs. Your response to the ban on secterian chanting will always be negative, it will always be designed to create YET MORE angst. If you were TRULY commited to ridding scottish football of its secterian problem you would not bring Celtic up in this regard. IN STEAD, you would say well done Rangers, lets all work together to solve the problem.

You didnt do that, you mentioned Celtic, drew a divide and said that one clubs actions were better than the others...In otherwords, you created a problem because you cannot live without the divide.

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 25/08/2007 10:14:19

The article that I read claimed that Rangers' stewards hidden in the crowd at Inverness DID report the fans guilty of "unacceptable behaviour" immediately and the POLICE refused to do anything! That's why the SPL Board did not punish the club.

PS As decided in a COURT OF LAW by a judge, a couple of years ago, songs like The Sash are NOT deemed to be "sectarian". So if Gers fans sing this or "Derry's Walls" they are not breaking the law - as long as they don't add on FTP type comments or use the F word. If ra Sellick fans don't like these songs ( why? Do they not celebrate a victory for the British Government and Monarchy over rebels thus preserving our heritage?) then tough!

PS Ra Sellicks fans on here with their conspiracy theories - you gotta laugh. Just check out last week at Pittodrie. On Setanta, in glorious CLOSE UP, long, loud chorus of The Boys of the Old Brigade. Nothing said by media, SPL etc. Seemingly, only "bigoted Gers fans" heard it. I challenge you to ask Setanta to show it.

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 10:15:23

68 I thought they had hired a bunch of bouncers with cameras. Or is that only for European games? I thought that was a good idea.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 10:15:54

83

Celtic no longer tolerate bigots SP, perhaps rangers should take a leaf out of their book, instead of always playing the "we're doing all we can" card... It's tiresome at this stage.. Poor old rangers can't be responsible for thousands of their hoardes singing sectarian bile, because they're "Doing all they can" to prevent it... What a rather large pile of sh1te!!

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 10:19:42

74 getting sin binned for the third time on camera. And it was no misunderstanding since the referee has stood by his decision. But this is my last comment on a dead issue.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 10:20:36

85

Haha...I ain't falling for that media!!

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 10:23:07

75 The Truth Hurts same old broken record.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 10:27:08

92

Perhaps if rangers had of listened first time round Dubai, they wouldn't have to deal with this on an ongoing basis!

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 10:27:30

78 Paulmac. I agree entirely. I think this idea of the bouncer company providing stewards with cameras should give Rangers the opportunity to clear out the idiots. I ran a pub outside Kilmarnock for some time in the early 90's and had to regularly put a stop to over the top singing on Saturday nights. I have never liked it.

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Jamboree,

25/08/2007 10:29:03

An absolutely shocking decisions which quite frankly, come as no surprise given the OF bias that prevails in Scottish Football. Just watch what happens when the small core of similar minded individuals spout the same s**t at Tynecastle - Hearts will get hammered.

As for the police being unable to identify the culprits, talk about a cop out! I wonder what the police would do if a member of the public complained and provided footage on their mobile phone?

This cancer must be eradicated from Scotland's society - Scotland's NOT SO Secret shame indeed.

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Ted Crilly,

Craggy Island 25/08/2007 10:29:36

Mavro,

I think you must have heard your neighbours singing rebel songs during the game, because there were NONE at Pittodrie, despite how much you want it to be true.

btw The Boys of the Old Brigade is about the struggle for Ireland's independence from 1919-21. What's wrong with that? If you don't like it - then TOUGH!

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amca,

right here, right now 25/08/2007 10:30:59

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A number were reported back to the club, with Rangers poised to act on the information received.

Measures are likely to include the revocation of ticketing rights, removal of season tickets and life bans from Ibrox.

The SPL has chosen to let Rangers deal with the miscreants and applauded the "very extensive" steps taken by the club to work with its supporters on the issue of unacceptable behaviour.

Question
Does this sound familiar?

Answer.
Yes, remember the promises of action to be taken after the select few who gave it laldy in Milan several years ago.

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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 25/08/2007 10:32:20

#86..mavro..well acording to you setanta did show it !!?? unfortunately it must have been in code that so that ..as you point out yourself..only rabid rangers bigots coulds hear it..sadly folk like youi actually dont care..and when your club finally receives a serious punishment from uefa..(it wont come from the spl)..then i hope youll be happy spouting on about what is and isnt sectarian...
#85 media..im afraid your post is a load of sanctamonious bollocks...we do not need to say "well done" to rangers for being let off by the spl for a clear breach of the new rules..we do not need the media to bury their heads in their earphones..and we do not need to be told there is nothing you can do about it...celtic park has been transformed..and as the action at pittodrie shows the end is in sight for the away support as well...
sadly celtic were then on the receiving end of a lie..made up report that they were being investigated..and i do woinder if the spl and media would be pushing rangers in this direction if it was not for the action taken by uefa..i mean they have been happy enough to put up with it for decades..and were still happy to put up with it over the last decade while celtic were taking action...
and that leads into agrement with post # 88

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 10:35:45

92 good answer. So can we talk about something else now?

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 10:42:41

98 Sonofcosmos Celtic park has been transformed into what? Does the transformation include 96 Ted Crilly and his anti British songs and attitude. Or is that ok because he is a Celtic supporter?

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KILBOWIE,

No Mean City 25/08/2007 10:43:03

No matter how detestable sectarian singing is, we must NEVER go down the route of deducting points.
Sectarian behaviour does not help the team on the field to win points.
It cannot be allowed to cause hard won points to be removed.
I am all in favour of fines for these offences, or the closing down of part or all of a stadium, to hammer home the unacceptability of this foul scourge, but we must not have titles won or lost on anything other than results on the field.
Having said that, it is unacceptable for Rangers to say that their stewards spotted the culprits & have reported back to the club.
If they witnessed what is a criminal offence, then surely they should have reported these people to the police & allowed them to be shamed & dealt with publicly.
It would only take one or two weeks of dealing with a few culprits each game, before they would all learn to keep their foul mouths shut.
It's not rocket science.

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I-Mac,

25/08/2007 10:43:34

#97, Rangers have banned plenty of fans and will no doubt ban more.

As for Milan, ordinary punters were found to have sneaked in.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 10:44:42

99

Taking to talking to yourself then Dubai??.. Well, when no-one else will agree with you..!!

On another note, I think Celtic will win by the odd goal today. Won't be a classic as it is still a gelling operation with one eye definitely on Wednesday. For what its worth I think the gers will also win. I don't expect them to implode for at least another month.

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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 25/08/2007 10:47:30

#101 i dont know if ted makes it over from craggy island..but he certainly doesnt sing those songs at celtic park..x

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 10:48:54

101

You have absolutely no idea what the Boys of the Old Brigade is about.. The reference to the IRA is the only thing that you can object about, and in that, you have absolutley no concept of the history of the IRA, or Ireland for that matter. The song may not belong on a terrace, but your mock shock rings a little hollow, when you have no clue what you are shocked at.

Please tell me the difference between rule brittania and the Boys of the Old Brigade..

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 11:04:32

106 The Truth hurts how would you know. I have no concept of the history of the IRA or Ireland? Oh really. I doubt whether anybody brought up anywhere in the UK in the seventies and eighties is unaware of the history of the IRA so what are talking about. Oh you mean I haven't heard or agree with your version? Same old story complain endlessly about everything Rangers and mindlessly defend any and all actions Celtic. Try and get a bit of balance.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 11:05:38

107

Shame on those Celtic fans pointing out the colour of McLeishs hair!!

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festerlehearts,

embra 25/08/2007 11:06:09

my God in other countries fans are killin each other, and uefa seem to worry about rangers fans singin songs , we no there is a minority who sing there songs , but in time it will all change , goin to football now there is less violence to what there was in the 1970's and 80's , all they have to do is change the words to there songs it can be done , we shuold not point the finger at one team we should look at ourself's first start with our own clubs ; just dont do it; sing football songs

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

25/08/2007 11:13:07

Hmmmm....
The SPL proved a more lenient body than UEFA.

It is sophistry to suggest that Rangers are "first-offenders".

Yes, first alleged breach of the new SPL rules , but not the first time that Rangers have been convicted by a footballing authority for the same thing.

But for the two UEFA convictions, I would agree that the SPL's response is about right... a warning in effect.

However, the fact that the club has within the last two years appeared before UEFA makes this warning look suspect... lacking courage.

So, this is not an example of wise counsel, it is simply cowardice, a quality which Scottish footballing authorities have little taste for when dealing with Celtic.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 11:16:01

109

So the Boys of the Old Brigade glorifies the actions of the "Provisional IRA" in the 70s and 80s?? You're happy to live in your own ignorance so that if and when you need to chuck some mud, there's a little something there to toss. Ignorant little man. The fact that you object to something that you don't actually understand proves this!! Laughable!!

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

25/08/2007 11:16:11

First offenders my ass !!!!!

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 25/08/2007 11:16:24

Kilbowie, can you READ? I've already told you that the Gers stewards DID report the culprits immediately to the police and that it was the POLICE that refused to take action! So how can Gers be at fault? In spite of no police action, Rangers itself will take action against the Gers fans concerned when they trace them. More than can be said for ra Sellick. Two years after the event and we're still waiting for them to catch ra Sellick fan who hit Ricksen on the face with a lighter.

Of course, it didn't happen - like the IRA singing at Pittodrie didn't happen. Setanta - 93rd minute - in close up. All these denials from ra Sellick fhans make me feel great - because I know they're LYING and they know they're lying and must be squirming thinking about the truth.

PS Since 9/11 try telling Americans that the IRA isn't a terrorist organisation. That's why their US funding dried up when the reality of terrorism finally struck the Americans (literally and metaphorically) Hence the Peace agreement soon after.

Any British subject who can sing the praises of the IRA in relation to any era is a sad sack - and to try and justify it....well...beyong the pale as the old Irish saying goes. In the "war" or the 1920s in Ireland the IRA was actually murdering fellow Irishmen, eventually killing their erstwhile hero John Collins. What a country!

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 25/08/2007 11:19:53

PS Rule Britannia is a sung in praise of the British Navy, that's OUR navy, protecting us from invasion from the likes of despots like Napoleon. Big difference.

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Not Me,

....being obtuse...... 25/08/2007 11:20:50

Gandalf

I am afraid I must have missed the Rangers sponsored lessons in hatred during my now 32 years of going to Ibrox.......admittedly I have not always been a regular attender so perhaps it was just the weeks that I didn't go........

TTH

Celtic no longer tolerate bigots - are you actually suggesting that at some time in the past they did? Surely not - if so then Gandalf had better take note......

Paulmac

Your league table of bad supporters is indeed a laugh ....... and you finish it with a fair minded appraisal thing - that was way too much - you should be a script writer with comedy like that......

William Frederik

Lets not care if anyone else has a problem - we do - so lets get it sorted and leave the rest to themselves......

Rise above it my friend.

Song moment - The Times they are a changing - so lets change with them - thats for everyone.....

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 11:22:41

114 Ignorant little man eh? Surprise surprise. Didn't take you long to get to the personal abuse stage. Hide behind your keyboard sonny.

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BK,

Cyberspace 25/08/2007 11:24:10

Is it not ironic that Scotland have the world's best behaved fans, with absolutely no sectarian d8dions, at national level, but descend to this tribalism at local level? That it is possible that they will still be getting awards for the good behaviour of the Tartan army while at the same time one or more of their teams might be getting banned from Europe for bigotry?

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 11:25:32

And the Boys of the Old Brigade is sung in praise of the army which fought the Brittish who invaded Ireland... The IRA is completely different to the Provisional IRA. So, whats the difference?

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nearlyneurotic,

A ChantingTheyShallGo E..I..AdioA Chanting.. 25/08/2007 11:27:01

Feet up pop corn in for the next episode of sectarian bigoted singing and other noise abuse from the Ragz truest and bluest terraced spaces at Kilmarnock today.

This IS entertainment...BbbwahahahaKAK..haha..

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GrahamH,

25/08/2007 11:27:19

Tam Cowan said this weeks ago on his show. The chanting would only get a warning that the next time they would get a warning of potential future warnings for any more incidents.

SPL rely on Celtic and Rangers money and success. Teams outside the old firm would get VERY different treatment. Rangers have been pulled by UEFA so already they are a disgrace and SPL content for them to be so.

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Not Me,

....being obtuse...... 25/08/2007 11:28:00

Apologies Paulmac - in #118 it should have read Puskas.

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 11:29:18

119

"Personal Insults"... You can't even tell me what you find so offensive about the Boys of the Old Brigade, but offended you are!!.. So ignorant is not an insult, it's the truth!

Tell me what you find so offensive, and I'll gladly retract my original statement.

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 11:29:23

Be back later folks once Rangers go 5 points clear

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 11:32:39

125 the Truth Hurts. grow up.

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amca,

25/08/2007 11:34:20

Does the SPL statement amount to an official warning?
I thought SPL had a special group for making judgment and taking sanctions. If SPL did not refer it to that committee then no warning has been given. Yeah Tam Cowan is probably right this time!

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

25/08/2007 11:35:37

When the IRA conducted operations during the 70s and 80s , they insist that adequate warnings were given to the authorities to allow for civillian evacuations.

The British authorities deny this.

Even if you believe the IRA , it seems a bogus argument since the planting of explosives in civillian area automatically puts them at risk of death/severe injury.

Similarly , in Afghanistan or Iraq, there have been occassions when the US and British forces have engaged in bombing operations knowing full well that there would be a high death toll amongst civillians , arguing that in the long run this would be good for long-term Iraqi stability.

When the IRA used these arguments , on a hugely smaller scale, they were labelled "murderers" , and that might very well be a fair assessment.

When coalition forces play the same hand , that's "collateral damage", a euphamism for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of men , women and children.

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Ted Crilly,

Craggy Island 25/08/2007 11:36:35

Mavro #116,

John Collins was the Hibernian, Celtic, Monaco, Everton, Fulham and Scotland midfielder.

Michael Collins was the person you were referring to. Although he was a hero of the struggle for independence from 1916-21, he was never a member of the IRA.

A couple of quick questions for you and Dubai:

1) In which year was the IRA formed?

2) In which year of the recently-ended troubles did the IRA declare a ceasefire?

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The Truth Hurts,

25/08/2007 11:37:32

Dubai,

Can't work out why you are offended, and it's me who should grow up??!?? Good argument Dubai.

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

25/08/2007 11:46:17

Ted #116

Michael Collins was a member of the IRA.

He took part in the 1916 rising, and was one of those arrested after the IRA surrendered.

Whatsmore, Michael Collins was a Protestant , and a fine Irish gentleman at that.

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 11:46:36

131 I am not offended. I simply pointed out that you were being abusive calling me an ignorant little man.

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

25/08/2007 11:49:41

If Scottish people had a better understanding of the history of Irish Republicanism , they would generally find these old ballads far less offensive.

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Ted Crilly,

Craggy Island 25/08/2007 11:53:55

Just about to catch the Craggy Island ferry to Celtic Park, so I can't wait for Mavro or Dubai's answers to #130.

They are of coure:

1) The IRA was formed in 1922, after the Irish Volunteers split over the issue of the Anglo-Irish Treaty. Those who accepted it, led by Michael Collins, became the army of the Irish Free State. Those who opposed it reconstituted themselves as the IRA, a title which had been previously informally bestowed on the Irish Volunteers. This was as a result of Dail Eireann in 1919 designating them as, "the army of the Irish Republic."

2) The IRA declared a ceasefire, which has held ever since, in 1972. The organisation which carried out acts of violence after that was of course the Provisional IRA. PIRA split from the IRA because of the latter's Marxist analysis of the situation in N. Ireland. The IRA thought the best way of achieving a united Ireland was by dialogue with the Protestant working classes.

Anyway, despite some delusional wishful-thinking from some, Celtic supporters did not sing rebel/political songs at Pittodrie, as confirmed by the SPL match observer.

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KILBOWIE,

No Mean City 25/08/2007 11:54:42

Mavro asks,' Kilbowie , can you read ?'
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Is it necessary for you to resort to personal abuse when none was offered to you ?
I may not be Oscar Wilde, but I will match my literary skills with your good self any day of the week.
That sort of infantile jibe does you no credit.
I had NOT read your earlier posting & was simply giving my response to Alan Pattullo's article.
Try to keep it at an adult level.

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Gandalf the Great,

Slayer of Orcs 25/08/2007 11:55:49

And so it goes on.....

It will take a generation, at least, or some REAL punishment from Uefa before the vocal minority of morons from Mordor are eradicated.

For as long as idiots like the majority of the Rangers fans on this thread continue to defend the indefensible and try to deflect blame onto others, Rangers will remain a shameful and repulsive institution.

On that point, who the hell will buy this filth from Murray? No decent human being that's for sure.

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Ted Crilly,

Craggy Island 25/08/2007 12:00:38

Patrick #132,

re Michael Collins; see #135.

Collins was a Catholic who attended Mass and received communion daily during the Treaty negotiations.

He was a highly intelligent and self-educated Irish gentleman indeed. He struck up a rapport with Lord Birkenhead during the negotiations and enormously impressed Winston Churchill who asked, "Where was Michael Collins in the Great War? We could have used generals like him."

Collins was also close friends with London society figures like the Llewellyn-Davies's and Peter Pan author JM Barrie.

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David W.,

Detroit 25/08/2007 12:02:13

This is all so ridiculous. Someone at Falkirk reported Strachan to the police for "smiling" at the crowd. Seems you can't even savor your victory until you're in the locker room away from the offensisensitivity of the fans.

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Hugh Hefner,

Poznan, Wiekaplski 25/08/2007 12:40:23

107 - Despite what you would like to beleive, I doubt that James is even slightly concerned by your threats. He's only likely to bump into you if starts jogging in Clapham Common after dark where you will no doubt be indulging in your second favourite pastime after "virtual world hardman" which is cottaging. I hope you get tested regularly!

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mstnuk,

Newcastle upon Tyne 25/08/2007 13:02:14

Congratulations to the SPL for this decision. Wether you like it or not, Scotland must recognise that it has an issues with sectarian bigotry and blaming either side of the Old Firm is clearly unacceptable. I personnaly could not care less what their fans are singing as long as their teams are getting humped. The European football authorities may take another view however, but I'm sure Mr Murray's pockets will be deep enough to pay the fines.

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the_big_kev,

china 25/08/2007 13:12:44

jesus celtic fans take the cake! I used to be married to a catholic, I went to what were celtic bars on several occasions....... bottom line.... both sets of fans are equally as bad!
I could split hairs but I won't

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DougRFC,

Brazil 25/08/2007 13:20:17

First of all, I'm all for education and knowing your history as it cures ignorance and subsequently, bigotry. However, as you lads are well aware, comments supporting the IRA is the cause of animosity among OF supporters and I'm sure you will agree that Mr Collins would be against the spilling of innocent Irish, or British, blood in any conflict. That said, if there was no problem there would have been no reaction and the Irish reaction should not be forgotten. The fact of the matter is that we are trying to eliminate this debate at football events and locate it to another, more appropriate, forum.

Secondly, Shuggie Hefner, you're exactly the kind of provocateur that bigotry feeds off. You make some very sad, distasteful comments on your posts which only serve to highlight your hate of your fellow man (Rangers supporters, Asians?). I don’t mind the banter nor the ‘dig’ at Rangers since that is expected and contributes to the rivalry but you make derogatory remarks of people you do not even know and when sectarianism is removed from the stands by the combined efforts of CFC and RFC you will no doubt procure a means of rekindling it.

Lastly, Killie 1 – League leaders, Rangers 2….c’mon the Hertz!

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 13:22:55

only got the Rangers game on the internet radio but sounded like a terrific game and Rangers are now 5 points in front of the Celtic. Mr Blue Blue Noze NZ predictions are coming true. Hopefully except Celtic

Celtic 3-1 Hearts
Falkirk 3-0 St Mirren
Gretna 0-2 Motherwell
Hibs 2-1 Aberdeen
ICT 1-2 Dundee Utd
Killie 1-2 Rangers

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 13:25:34

Bhoy.

There's some serious anger residing within the RC community.

Just can't see the fairness of this judgement, can you?

So transparently desperate in your need to see Rangers punished.

Meanwhile, on the field, the "easy start" jibes have lost their impact.

2-1 winners at Kilmarnock today (you may remember them as the team who drew at CP a few weeks ago.)

7 games. 7 wins.

It just gets better and better.

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china 25/08/2007 13:25:48

anyhow Rangers have just won a tight match... everything is changing and getting back to c1986-1998 status - them were the days - I had hair, a narrow wastline,........but catholic in laws and a rubbish job in Scotland....

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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

25/08/2007 13:27:42

Referee played 1minute 28 seconds of injury time.

Unusually short for an SPL game.

It would obviously have pleased Rangers, and disappointed Kilmarnock.

Just before KM got the third goal against Aberdeen last week , when the game stood at 2v1, the time added on was 5 minutes , an unusually large amount of time.

It's strange how you notice these anomalies.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 13:32:35

Ha ha.

You slay me, Patrick.

You're becoming a figure of fun on here.

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DougRFC,

Brazil 25/08/2007 13:35:24

@152

Well noticed, Paddy. Obviously directed at Celtic to lose and absolutely nothing to do with events on the pitch. What nonsense.

If the were a conspiracy Killie would have been down to 10-men in the first half after blatently fouling Cousin on the break which led to him being substituted at the half.

It's strange how you notice only some anomalies.

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25/08/2007 13:41:39

152 according to the commentary I was listening to they were on 47 minutes of normal time before the injury time started. Clutching at straws I think as well as 5 points behind. How many games do Rangers need to win before the easy start is over?

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25/08/2007 13:47:55

I think Celtic have Hearts and Hibs as their next two SPL opponents, while Rangers have, wait for it, Gretna at Ibrox.

Could get worse before it gets better, bhoys.

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25/08/2007 13:54:57

157 maybe there is some truth in this easy start stuff. When was the last time Rangers had max points after 4 games?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 13:58:31

An "easy start" just means that we're better than the teams we've played against, Dubai.

For me, we've had 2 exceedingly tricky away matches, from which I would've accepted 4 points as long as we were winning our home games.

So, for me, we're ahead of schedule.

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 14:10:45

Bemused Exile I have a great feeling about all of this. But to build on the start it may not be a bad idea to be looking at a left back and from the sound of todays game Naismith could be someone we shouldn't miss. Not sure where else I would be looking to strengthen unless maybe another hardman in midfield. Do you think Hemdani is going to leave?

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Trevafc,

25/08/2007 14:12:43

#58 Spider Pig
Think you'll find its been a while since the song about the Ibrox disaster has been sung as everyone up here has wisened up to it,although its people like yourself who have to bring it up when others have a go at yourselves for something that is still going on.You heard the songs all through the game today.scum!

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25/08/2007 14:14:20

Gandalf

I rather question your stance on sectarianism whilst you have a sectarian acronym picked up from Celtic fan forums in your title.

Orcs = Orange Racist C***ts in those circles does it not?

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 25/08/2007 14:21:46

Patrick O Pathetic is priceless! Another Masonic refereeing conspiracy gives Gers a result. TWO minutes were indicated for injury time and with 30 seconds to go of that two, Gers made a substitution. After it had been done the whistle blew at TWO minutes and 28 seconds afterwards! By the way, I don't even remember two minutes of stoppages in the second half.

And nice to hear the Gers fans singing songs that no sane Brit could be "offended" by ie. The National Anthem ( on 88 minutes) plus old favourites such as Rule Britannia, Every Other Saturday, Follow Follow, Rangers Till I Die, Derry's Walls (once) and The Sash (once) with no banned or offensive add-ons. Well done, lads. If you want to annoy Tim viewers all you have to do is keep singing the National Anthem etc They hate it - like they hate their own country. How sad!

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nearlyneurotic,

BigotedSectarianChanting? TimesOnOurSide!! 25/08/2007 14:27:19

It will be interesting to here if Rangers supporters were reported once again for sectarian singing, bigoted chanting or any other abusive musical adendums at Kilmarnock today.

Its almost impossible to think of a Ragz game without it!

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 14:29:09

Dubai,

Left-back is a puzzler. Smith is a great young player but he'll take a few weeks to get back yet. The sale of Murray to me suggests that WS must be looking to bring someone in, so wait and see.

Ref Hemdani, I find Osasuna's interest strange, given that they showed no interest while the Cuellar stuff was going on. And its not as if they didn't know about him, after all, he scored a peach of a goal against them at Ibrox in the UEFA cup.

So I take that one with a pinch of salt.

Re Naismith, as I said the other day, a distinct last-minute possibility IF we get past Red Star.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 14:30:58

Its almost impossible for YOU, nn.

The rest of us have no problem imagining it.

but you best stick to your imaginings.

After all, reality ain't going your way.

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Mavro,

On a Moonbeam 25/08/2007 14:32:41

NN - see my post about what WAS sung. By the way, it's spelled "hear".

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 14:33:00

173 shouldn't you be watching Celtic or are you more interested in slagging Rangers?

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awol,

sectarian thinking next 25/08/2007 14:35:57

so fine, the removing of openly chanting sectarian bigotted songs at football matches, I hope this appllies to all other fans not just Celtic and rangers.
Ok the result on this adjudciation was obvious there was no way rangers would be penalised this time, I'd be interested though if the "RED HAND SALUTE" is seen as ok in Europe by the ibrox hierarchy as surely this is inflammatory too? especially in Israel!!
I still feel as Kilmoarnock had 60% possession today bodes not to well for tuesday, I mean Red star are gonna be crawling all over rangers, 2-0 is not out of the question, Celtic 2-0 at the moment bodes well for wednesday (live on BBC Scotland woohoo!)for us.....

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BigotedSectarianChanting? TimesOnOurSide!! 25/08/2007 14:40:42

That Kilmarnock team today were poor.
There exertions earning a draw against the Champions Celtic has obviously taken its toll.
Killie looked jaded.

The fact that they were able to score a cracker,going straight through the middle of Rangers "superb" defense says more about the lax Rangers back four than it did of the Killie attack.
Indeed Killie went through the centre of the Rangers defense on a few occassions,particularly in the second half but 2nd rate finishing ensured Ragz were not punished in the way that Crvena Zvesda will surely do on Tuesday of next week.
That must be a game that the Ragz defense fear given their show this afternoon.You would not expect Crvena to waste the chances created by a tired Killie team today.

Naismith was the only decent player on the park and deservedly got man of the match.

Rangers best player was McGregor.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 14:43:16

I wouldn't read too much into "possession" figures,awol.

I watched Celtic's matches against Falkirk then Aberdeen unfolding and the home team were well ahead for much of those games in possession terms but it counts for very little.

You expect it away from home.

Red Star will be a tough night though.

And Hearts ain't Spartak!

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25/08/2007 14:44:09

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Happy with conceeding 60% possession if shots on are something like 15 to 5 in favour!

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 14:52:49

I do wonder if nn truly believes what he writes.

Can anyone really be so far removed from reality, while still at large in the community?

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Donegal 25/08/2007 14:55:25

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"These people are not normal."

Has a nice 1920's Munich beer hall feel to it, dont ya think?

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25/08/2007 14:56:21

178 I share the hope that both Celtic and Rangers get through to the CL and I think they both will. Both teams finally getting back to a base of Scottish players and maybe getting rid of the Mickey Mouse league tag. That would be good.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 14:56:32

Looks like Celtic will have second place all to themselves after today, with the way the scores are going.

Hope they enjoy the feeling. They've got another 34 games to get used to it.

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DougRFC,

Brazil 25/08/2007 14:56:51

Match Stats for todays game;

Kilmarnock - Rangers
Goal Attempts 7 : 22
On Target 5 : 14
Crosses 4 : 13
Corners 3 : 12
Offside 4 : 5
Fouls 15 : 7
Free kicks 13 : 19
Yellow cards 1 : -
Red cards - : -
% Possession 60 : 40

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DougRFC,

Brazil 25/08/2007 15:06:07

Statement made after todays game by Martin Bain;

[Quote]

"I would like to thank our fans for the great support they gave us today and their efforts in recent weeks
"Supporters groups said they would step up their self policing drive and they have done that by going out an talking to as many fans as possible, particularly those who travel to away games on supporters buses.
"That had taken a big effort and our fans deserve great credit for their positive response.
"We have an extremely important game in Europe this week and the response and cooperation from fans travelling with us have been excellent."

[Unqoute]

This was backed up by today's commentators and the match official stated he had nothing to report.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 15:06:13

I think that today has answered a few questions.

Away from home against an in-form, unbeaten team who had drawn at Celtic Park.

And certainly when Killie hit back to level things, which was the first time that we had faced that situation this season, it became a real test of character, and one which, I'm glad to say, we passed with flying colours.

Another bright note was the appearance on the sub's bench of the highly-rated John Fleck, just days after his 16th birthday.

I reckon WS would have blooded him today if the scoreline had been more comfortable. But my understanding is that he has a few more opportunities to become the youngest ever player to play in a Scottish Premier League game.

The future (and the present) is bright.

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awol,

to william 25/08/2007 15:07:36

william dear dear, you really are a sad soul, your post suggest you agree with me
BE
I can't be arsed today, suffice to say we'll all be in contact on thursday (or even wednesay night and probably tuesday too!)

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 15:28:49

We have a few great young players at Ibrox, Hugh.

PS Your sarcasm must be breaking up as it crosses borders.

you're not your usual sharp self.

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DougRFC,

Brazil 25/08/2007 15:35:04

Well, Celtic have destroyed Hearts 4 goals to nil and thoroughly deserved by all accounts. They say Donatti's goal was something special.

Saw the match highlights from last weekend and thought Nakamura was exceptional. He is a very gifted player. Celtic seem to have found their touch in time for the CL qualifier.

Cousin is doubtful for Tuesday's game which would be a great loss for us but I can still see both Rangers and Celtic going through.

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 15:36:37

Hugh Hefner "I just can't be;eive the semi orgasmic glee"
As head of the playboy empire can you explain how you can half an orgasm?

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Dubai,

25/08/2007 15:49:35

I note from the excellent result of Celtic over Hearts 5-0 at the moment that the only goal scored by the forward line is ven whatever of whatever with a penalty.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 15:52:03

Celtic going to town today.

And Hibs coming back against Aberdeen to earn a point.

So Aberdeen and Hearts, the 2 teams who fancied their chances of "splitting the OF" this season, will have 2 points each, while Rangers sit on 12.

I think we can discount that particular threat.

Looks like us against Celtic for the top 2 spots.

As many on here say, we welcome the chase.

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Hugh Hefner,

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Willy - your idea of what constitutes being taken to the cleaners and of course your beleif in not caring about any teams scores other than Rangers will be seriously handy at the end of the season when you celebrate yet another league triumph for Rangers. That will be 25 title in a row with PLG showing up as guest of honour again for his invaluable contribution to last years title win before handing over to Waldo to romp home in the final straight.

You'd like us to f*ck off so that you don't have to face reality mate. Thats all!

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BEMUSED EXILE,

25/08/2007 16:05:25

Well, as the saying goes, Hugh.

you are entitled to your opinion.

I suspect that even a truly outstanding young Rangers player wouldn't be given credit by you for his ability.

You'd find something amusing and "witty" about the shape of his head or such like.

Keep up your good work.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 16:05:55

William Frederick

The question needs to be asked, how many links have you copied and pasted to help you in future debates?

"These people are not normal!"

was the cry from the cells during the Nuremberg Trials at The Palace of Justice.

"Great Britain, a long and distinguished history of fighting fascism, unlike other nations Bosco???"

Your country, yes has a long experience of fascism-
As one of the first nations to deploy concentration camps:

The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. defines concentration camp as: a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the South African war of 1899-1902; one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939-45.

The English term "concentration camp" was first used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during the 1899-1902 Second Boer War[5].

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whateverthename,

Avignon 25/08/2007 16:10:34

149. Dubai / 2:22pm 25 Aug 2007 only got the Rangers game on the internet radio but sounded like a terrific game and Rangers are now 5 points in front of the Celtic. Mr Blue Blue Noze NZ predictions are coming true. Hopefully except Celtic

Celtic 3-1 Hearts
Falkirk 3-0 St Mirren
Gretna 0-2 Motherwell
Hibs 2-1 Aberdeen
ICT 1-2 Dundee Utd
Killie 1-2 Rangers
Well looks like BlueNose's NZ predictions got blown to bits Celtic are really beginning to play some class football it was 5-0 by fulltime but it could have been
that by the end of the 1st half

Dubai which radio can you get to listen to the games. I have ch67 for the Tims but it would have been interesting to listen to the Gers game

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whateverthename,

Avignon 25/08/2007 16:16:01

206. Dubai
There are some people that are never happy
I'l take the goals wherever they come from especially against the Jambos Although they really are crap.
You forgot to mention that Hearts finish with 10 men when McCann hurt himself trying to break Scott McDonald's leg

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Boberto,

25/08/2007 16:21:18

“Hun” is indeed used as a sectarian insult as we can see in this piece from Scotland on Sunday, 28 August 2005:

"Word police spell bad news for e-mail bigots

THOUSANDS of computers in Scotland are having 'bigotry-checkers' installed.

Specialists in some of the nation's top companies have been devising lists of sectarian words, specific to Scotland, which can be screened out by e-mail software before they reach office staff.

Words that will cause e-mails to be bounced back to the sender include such traditional Old Firm terms of abuse as "Hun" and "Fenian".

The move has come in response to fears that office workers in Scottish companies may be vulnerable to sectarian abuse by e-mail from disgruntled members of the public."

...Standard Life - one of Scotland's largest companies - has taken advice from education officials in Glasgow in order to draw up a 'sectarianism unfriendly' list of words that will cause an e-mail containing such terms to be bounced back.”

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And here's what Cara Henderson said when she was setting up the anti-sectarian organisation Nil By Mouth:

“Ultimately we’re trying to challenge people who say the word ‘huns’ or sing ‘hello hello we are the Billy Boys’ because no one seems to have stopped and thought about it.”

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 16:21:45

Willy Fred

Don't know anything about not 'liking' your wee nation.

Have no strong feelings either way.

Another wonderful web link, my God you do have a lot of time on your hand it would appear and wee fascination with the Emerald Isle, i can only wonder why.

2 points.

1 Never mind the History Channel you should be more interested in Current Affairs as the wee nation that is bonnie Scotland is heading towards a less British and more Tartan identity.

2 Great to see the mighty Celtic close the gap on RFC today.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 16:26:17

Willy Fred

How do you feel that it was the glorious nation that you come from that were one of the earliest to design and deploy concentration camps?

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 16:30:44

Willy Fred

Here's a good link for

you.http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070824/tpl-uk-usa-civilri...

Re:
A former Ku Klux Klansman was sentenced to three life terms on Friday for his role in the 1964 killings of two black men ..................................

Now that's more your style!

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 17:09:44

Willy Fred

This story is about Rangers and sectarianism so as i support a club who play in the same league as RFC then if ind it interesting. Is this a crime?

Some points for you to consider.]
-you dont know where i'm from
-i dont hate RFC
- i dont dislike your country

Grow up and stop making a fool of yourself.
Make some points that are not hate filled, if you can.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 17:16:06

"blowing up innocent children and civillians"

May i ask what has Bomber Harris and the RAF with their "thousand bomber raid" against non military targerts such as Dresden got to do with this article?

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T-rex,

a tree 25/08/2007 17:54:45

225 Perhaps it has something to do with the "free state" giving succour to German U-Boats.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

Still top after Round 4... 25/08/2007 19:17:39

Probably futile, but.....

I'll try to turn the thread back to football.

Early signs are that this could be a thrilling title race, with Celtic showing the same irresistible qualities that has characterised, quite frankly, the last 7 seasons, ever since Martin O'Neill was given the key to Paradise.

Their season-by-season consistency over that period has rivalled the dominant juggernauts of both Celtic's and Rangers' NIAR teams.

The only difference is that Rangers have somehow contrived twice to raise a team from the ashes of a previously hopeless one, and fought all the way for the Title, securing it in the last few minutes of the last day on both occasions.

Can they do it again?

The early signs are promising. They appear, without particularly impressing anybody with their skill or style, to once again possess the ability and belief to wrestle victories from unconvincing performances. The portents were there in the early months of this year after Walter Smith returned, and results, if not the quality of football on show, improved immediately.

With the winning start to this season now confirmed and growing, previous dismissals of last season's improvement as "temporary" seem wide of the mark. Walter Smith has assembled a large and able squad, who will never be found wanting with regard to strength, fitness, teamwork, determination, desire, team spirit etc.

It adds up to the probability of an epic struggle between the two rival teams. Followers of both will rightly draw strength from what they've seen from their team so far this campaign, while fancying that they've seen shortcomings in the other side.

Many a twist and turn awaits. But I reckon that when it comes down to those last few nerve-shredding weeks, both sides will be firmly in the hunt.

I anticipate a great contest.

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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 25/08/2007 19:22:04

#226 etc...are you new on here..or did you have to change your name ??

its funny that someone who posts the same mantra about 20 times on the same thread can accuse others of not being normal...im sure most of the gers fans on here find you an embarrassment..the way some of the more cretinious celtic fans are perceived by the majority...
but just to be clear..its so much more fun posting on rangers threads just now due to all the funny aspects attached to them...celtics dominance..2 trophyless years..the raids..the sectarian charges..the wiganesque optimism..the 60% rise in debt over 2 days etc etc..its all so funny x

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#228..a fair do post

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Bosco Bhoy1,

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Willy Fred

The logic of it all!

So from you its ' I dont like being called a hun but your a thick Paddy'-wierd!

"brave men's actions" = dropping hundreds of bombs on innocent women and children in a city classed as non military- interesting!

"whilst having some banter about football"= comments re child killers- strange!

"As for not knowing where you come from, pardon my stupidity, Donegal was the clue."= so everybody's location given on this forum identify's where they are from? - stupid!, nah really stupid.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 19:47:50

Wonderful performance by the boys in green and remember Celtic fans we did see the mighty Celtic close the gap on RFC today.

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Glasgow 25/08/2007 20:19:52

The SFA were more than contented to alow RFC to opperate a "no papist need apply" policy for more than 100 years. Now that UEFA are calling the shots the SFA are slipping on their own s*** to dismantle this sectarian Frankenstein type monster which was born and bred at Ibrox park. Both the SFA and RFC created this monster, that we must never forget.

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Thommo,

25/08/2007 20:46:58

'The SFA were more than contented to alow RFC to opperate a "no papist need apply" policy for more than 100 years.' (233)

Rangers actually had quite a few Catholic players before Mo Johnston.

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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 25/08/2007 20:53:55

RFC are moving in the right direction and we should all support David Murray in his efforts to rid the club of the FTP brigade.

More and more of the Ibrox faithful are realising that for their club to progress with dignity that this process needs to be completed.

Personally i believe that the senior people within RFC now wish that the club had never stood for rabid anti Catholicism.
We can debate all day what has really motivated RFC to act in recent years but for me the issue is how do they go about finishing the job.

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Thommo,

25/08/2007 21:06:48

"Personally i believe that the senior people within RFC now wish that the club had never stood for rabid anti Catholicism." (235)

Well that's mighty big of you. :o)

Rangers have been taking action against sectarian behaviour for many years now. Progress among the support has speeded up since sanctions or the threat of sanctions have applied but that's true of Celtic's support too (particularly the away supports). Both away supports have been on better behaviour than usual since the Rangers away support was pulled up on the first day of the season.

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ndr429j,

kirkmuirhill 25/08/2007 22:51:37

Why are the media biased against Rangers ?

If today at Rugby Park the Rangers fans had used the fenian word in there songs it would have been front page news. No doubt
The TV channels would have been carrying it in there headlines and the papers would have took the football reporting off the back page to make way for headline like Rangers to be banned for sectarian singing by there fans.

But here is the question ?

At Celtic park today fans singing “Go Home ya Huns” “Go home ya Huns “ I suppose the word Hun’s is different from the word Fenian’s one seems to be sectarian and the other is not, or maybe one is sung by Rangers fans and the other not.

It seems to me that the Scottish media have now an agenda against Rangers as regards this sectarianism situation.

Possibly I am wrong but the evidence no doubt will be seen in tomorrows headlines and phone in discussions.

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Not Me,

......welcome my friends to the show that...... 25/08/2007 22:58:33

Bosco

I am glad people like you exist - it makes me feel so much better to be a grown up........

...you know everything but somehow at the same time have no idea what it all means - obtuse or what?

Song moment - Lawdy Miss Clawdy.....

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Paradise ....coontin the dosh and the trophies 25/08/2007 23:00:09

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Please explain how the word HUN is sectarian?

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Timothy Malloy Esq,

Paradise ....coontin the dosh and the trophies 25/08/2007 23:03:37

Shame on all the Hearts and Rangers so called fans who sang the vile stuff about the late great Jock Stein.

Imagine a child going to the football and listening to thousands of adults mocking a child sex case and implicating a great such as Stein.

Shame on you and God help you of that's all you can sing about. I will pray for you tomorrow at the Chapel.

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Thommo,

26/08/2007 09:21:57

#240, I'm against any set of fans doing it but Celtic fans have indulged in completely unfounded songs labelling a former Rangers captain a paedophile, so perhaps you should pray for them too.


 

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