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Published Date: 03 April 2009
PROSPECTIVE priests will have to go to Rome to train after Scotland's only Catholic seminary announced it was to close, ending 300 years of tradition.
A lack of new students and teachers has led to the decision to close the Scotus College.

There are currently only nine students at the seminary in Bearsden, near Glasgow, down from 55 when it opened in 1993.

The latest figure is a huge fall
from the 136 candidates who studied at Chesters College, which stood on the Scotus site, and Gillis College, in Edinburgh, 25 years ago – and an even bigger drop from the 193 students at Scottish seminaries in 1978.

The three resident priests who teach at Scotus College – with a further 20 teaching staff – will return to their dioceses. New trainee priests will now go the Scots College in Rome.

The Very Rev William McFadden, the rector of the college, said the decision had been taken because of a lack of candidates and a shortage of ordained priests to carry out training. He blamed the fall in number of candidates on changing modern attitudes.

"It would appear that every institution that is looking for some sort of commitment from people is suffering from a lack of people," he said.

"There is a sense that people are not putting themselves forward because of the priest's lifestyle. But, that said, there is still a steady number of people coming forward for priesthood."

Scotus College, which takes its name from the Scottish medieval theologian John Duns Scotus, first came under the threat of closure in 2002, but the Church decided to retain the seminary, which had 37 students at the time, and instead closed its Royal Scots College in Salamanca, Spain.

Announcing the closure yesterday, the Bishops' Conference of Scotland said it was "a matter of regret" but that it would "allow bishops to take advantage of the spiritual, cultural and academic opportunities available in the Roman Pontifical Universities and other institutes of higher learning at the heart of the Church".

It added, however, that should the number of candidates for the priesthood increase, it would reassess the situation.

Liz Leydon, editor of the Scottish Catholic Observer, said: "With the number of students attending Scotus College and the Scots College in Rome at the moment, it would seem a sensible decision, rather than staff two colleges.

"Nonetheless, it comes as quite a disappointment. It's a sad day when Scotland won't have a seminary for the first time in almost 300 years."

She said the Vatican's stipulation on the minimum number of priests working as full-time teaching staff meant that the ratio of students to teachers at Scotus College was considered unfeasible.

Father Andrew McKenzie, the director of Priests for Scotland, which promotes the priesthood, said the number of students was on the rise. "The principal problem regarding the continuance of the seminary is the provision of faculty," he said.

"It's becoming increasingly difficult to cover all the subjects required. Therefore, when a course can be provided in Rome, it obviously has an appeal because there's no need for Scotland to provide that."

Acknowledging that the number of students training for the priesthood was low, Fr McKenzie insisted the trend was upwards.

The shift to Rome is expected to be completed in time for the next academic year.



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  • Last Updated: 03 April 2009 12:01 AM
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03/04/2009 02:13:59
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Fifi la Bonbon,

03/04/2009 02:29:01
Useful phrases might include -

Questo sarebbe un problema ecumenico.

Bere! F eck! A rse! Girls!

Il denaro è stato di riposo nel mio account.

Ora concentrato questa volta, Dougal. Questi sono molto piccoli, quelli sono lontani.

Don't call me Len, è poco cazzo. Sono un vescovo!

"Bastardo" e "bastardo" che, non è possibile passare per il suo romanzo in bastardi! È parete-a-muro bastardi! "È bastardo!" È f ecker!" "È ballocks!" "Get your ballocks fuori la mia faccia! "E 'stato terribile". "Ride mi laterale" è stato un altro!
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senza nome,

03/04/2009 06:23:18
#2: Good italian phrases but all theology classes at the Gregorian University in Rome, where the Scots study, are traditionally held in Latin, so italian would be no use.
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03/04/2009 08:22:36
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Los Angeles,

03/04/2009 08:37:58
Good italian phrases but all theology classes at the Gregorian University in Rome, where the Scots study, are traditionally held in Latin, so italian would be no use. (Senza)

LoL. Fifi has gone to get a pizza.
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Billiam Wallace,

03/04/2009 09:17:44
Good to see the NWO church of lies and deceit losing ground in the 21st century. Fewer and fewer sheeple in first world countries, (OK the UK is now 3rd world), are prepared to believe a load of balderdash about a Jewish bloke what was strung up for spouting revolution and then made into a god four hundred years later.
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Conan the Librarian™,

03/04/2009 09:27:56
"Father Mckenzie,
writing the words of a sermon that no one will hear
No one comes near."


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Roy,

03/04/2009 09:31:29
From the College website:

History of the College

A Short History Scotus College

Scotus College can trace its ancestry back to 1714 and the establishment of a secluded seminary on a small island in Loch Morar. This seminary was forced to close and the fleeing students found refuge at Scalan in Glenlivet. Scalan persevered through troubled times and eventually, after eighty years service, handed over its mantle to Aquhorties and then to Blairs College until its closure in 1986.

Senior seminaries were a much later creation, and initially the seminary planned for Glasgow had to be mothballed due the influx of Irish Catholics and their immediate needs. However, in 1874 Archbishop Eyre opened St Peter's College, Partickhill, which in 1892 moved to New Kilpatrick, Bearsden. Unfortunately, disaster struck in a fire of 1946 and the College was moved to Darleith to become St Peter's College, Cardross. Much later St. Peter's College was relocated at Newlands in Glasgow where it lived out its final four years.

On the east coast Archbishop Gray opened Drygrange College near Melrose in 1953, This seminary later moved to Gillis in Edinburgh.

On November 1, 1984 an interdiocesan seminary was opened on the current site of Scotus. The newly formed Chesters College was to be, along with Gillis College, the forerunner of Scotus. Scotus was officially opened on October 4 1993 and can be viewed as the coming together of East and West, resulting in the first ever national seminary in Scotland.

The new chapel was built and opened in 1997.


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For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 03/04/2009 10:07:32
Scotland's last RCC Seminary to close: I doubt if this will be noticed by the general public after this days headline.

#7
Ah, you subscribe to the Humanist Church of Lennon and McCartney.

No hell beneath us, above us only sky - and the only Saviour this world has is Maggie Brown.

Scary stuff indeed - I think I'll become a Catholic.
10

Luke Skywalker,

03/04/2009 10:31:50
Will this ending now lead to the end of Apartheid in Scottish education?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 03/04/2009 11:00:53
"No hell beneath us, above us only sky"- Nothing to do with McCartney but trite nonetheless.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

03/04/2009 11:11:58
Heaven and hell...romanticised nonsense...portrayed by artists and doom merchants as glorious and terrifying...mind you I quite like Hieronymous Bosch's paintings of auld nick and his legions...enough to make any kid run straight to the confessional....

I'll stick wae the grass and clouds...far far more pleasant than things that just aint there.....
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common sense voice,

03/04/2009 11:37:48
well lucky them... most young lassies like the I-tie boys, now there be a bit more competition for those latin lovers
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Calum Crubag,

03/04/2009 13:08:51
A victory for common sense. Let's the Presbyterian institutions close their doors too.

Religious logic and morality is flawed. Should one do good only to get into 'heaven' or to avoid 'hell'. Why not just do good for it's own sake?
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Calum Crubag,

03/04/2009 13:10:52
#4 - Like what does the Pope know about fatherhood and relationships?
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G,

dundy 03/04/2009 13:21:36
Could they not do this sort of training by distance learning through the internet as they is very little hands-on training required


Wait a minute, that is all open to massive misinterpretation!!!!
Hilarious to see #3 miss the point entirely!!! Well done
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Number 6,

Germany 03/04/2009 15:30:03
10 Luke, are you aware that there is a Catholic school system in just about every Christian country in the world?

This includes

The USA
England
Germany
Holland and every other Protestant dominated country in the west.

Why is it all these countries are more than comfortable with that, but in Scotland we still have this festering hate and fear. What on earth is wrong with people like you ?????.

Incidentally, you can forget ever getting rid of the CSS. The European Union would uphold any protest against such a sectarian move.
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03/04/2009 17:37:54
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03/04/2009 17:40:51
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03/04/2009 17:44:27
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

03/04/2009 17:46:02
#17 The state does not fund (indeed the state is constitutionally prevented from funding) religious schools in the US. And like those of us in Scotland who would like to see the end of state-sponsored indoctrination, the reason for that is neither hate nor fear but a desire for fairness.
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03/04/2009 18:35:55
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Enigma,

03/04/2009 18:37:59
Shock horror, they could train in England!
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radge dug,

03/04/2009 18:51:31
#17 - aye but are payed for by taxpayers?

The RCC has the freedom to worship in home, church and their own schools but we should not pay for the superstitious indulgences of any 'faith' group? Why then shouldn't Moonies, Muslims, Mormons and pagans have their own state-funded schools to advance theories for which there is not one shred of evidence?

#19 - aye, so one Christian sect hates the other. There's 'faith' for you. And, when will we see a Proddie/Muslim/Buddhist Pope?
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radge dug,

03/04/2009 18:55:53
#20 - Yes! We should have a Catholic sponsored 'fascist' theocracy like Spain had under Franco until 1975. The Spaniards were so free.
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Alba Abú,

03/04/2009 19:58:40
22 What a very accurate discription of your ordinary Scottish Cathoilc hating bigot.Include yourself in that category please.
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Alba Abú,

03/04/2009 20:07:48
25 The British government in 1936 supported Franco's fascists in their attempt to overthrow the democratically elected government of the Spanish Republic.They also allowed Hitler and Mussolini to try out their new hardware on the people of Spain.Had they supported democracy,then there probably would never have been world war two.But then a person like yourself who calls for a Buddhist to legislate for the Roman Catholic church,is most unlikely to understand anything about politics or religion.Why dont you just grow up?
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Bearwithme,

03/04/2009 20:37:30
"Luke, are you aware that there is a Catholic school system in just about every Christian country in the world?

This includes

The USA
England
Germany
Holland and every other Protestant dominated country in the west.

Why is it all these countries are more than comfortable with that" (17)

Rather a misleading claim. In England for example, there is a good deal of opposition to Catholic and other faith schools on the grounds that they are a divisive influence. This includes opposition from one of the main techers' unions, the NAS/UWT.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 03/04/2009 21:47:57
"Scottish priests will have to train in Rome as last seminary closes doors"

Good.
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response,

Syd 03/04/2009 23:01:02
Well said Fi Fi whatever it was,looks like #4 assume's you are female maybe you would like to set the record straight,whatever your gender i enjoy your comments,
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6foot4,

05/04/2009 19:15:46
Bear, 28

Aye, intolerant secularism reaches far and wide.

Still, the good news is that most of the best school in England are faith schools, and the vast majority of Faith Schools have demand far exceeding supply of places.

And finally.....whilst many bigots in Scotland cite separate schools as divisive (ma wee Tommy cannae understand why he hus tae go to a differet school fae Pat) the reality in England is that it's no provblem at all.

Bigotry is not taught in schools - it is learned at home.
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SkeptikScot,

09/04/2009 20:02:40
We wail again faith, because it stops us doing whatever we want to.

The only problem is everyone else gets to do when they want to and then it gets scary.

It's getting scary.

 

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