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Scottish saint would help raise £¼m a year for poor, says priest



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Published Date: 23 June 2008
MORE than £250,000 a year could be raised by a campaign to create Scotland's first modern saint, the priest behind the plan said last night.



Father Ed Hone, who has raised thousands of pounds through innovative and sometimes controversial schemes, said that marketing Margaret Sinclair could be a lucrative source of funds for the poor and needy.

Ms Sinclair, a Scottish biscuit factory worker and trade unionist, used to worship at the Edinburgh church where Fr Ed is now based.

Efforts to have her canonised are already well advanced and, in March, Pope Benedict XVI said he would proceed with the beatification of Ms Sinclair if a miracle was officially ratified.

Fr Ed, known to some parishioners as "Father Cash", is part of a four-man team from the Redemptorists order currently based at St Patrick's Roman Catholic Church in Edinburgh's Cowgate. He said there was a huge global spin-off potential from DVDs, books and a "saint trail" based around Ms Sinclair.

In 1923, Ms Sinclair joined the Poor Claires convent in Notting Hill, London, where she was given the name Sister Mary Francis of the Five Wounds. Calls for her to be made a saint began almost immediately after her death from tuberculosis two years later.

Fr Ed's previous marketing ploys have included using the model of phone sex lines to set up standard-rate pre-recorded lines to advise Catholics on issues such as divorce and homosexuality.

He has also played a major role in the Redemptorists' lucrative global publishing empire and has leased land beside St Patrick's to Holiday Express Inn for £900,000 to help fund the church's £2.6 million renovation project.

He was also party to the discovery that a painting hanging in the living room of the home he shares with the other three priests was the lost masterpiece Mass in a Connemara Cabin by Aloysius O'Kelly, which is worth more than £500,000.

The Redemptorists, known as the "gypsy priests" because of their commitment to travelling with their mission, took over St Patrick's eight years ago.

Fr Ed said: "We want to get Margaret in the tourist guidebooks as much as Deacon Brodie or Greyfriars Bobby.

"By making her a saint, the church could raise hundreds of thousands of pounds through all sorts of ventures and tourism and plough the money into worthwhile causes. We see ourselves as a team who think creatively. We said, 'We've got that Margaret Sinclair pilgrimage, how can we maximise it?' We saw it as a huge opportunity to revive this place."

WHAT NEXT?

• THE first step to making someone a saint is an investigation into the candidate's life. The report goes to a bishop and then to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints in Rome. With their approval, the subject is granted the title Venerable. Margaret Sinclair's piety was recognised by Pope Pius XII in 1942. She was declared Venerable in 1978.

• If subsequent investigations are satisfactory, the candidate can move on to beatification and be given the title Blessed.

• Two important miracles are required to be declared a saint. The Church places special weight on miracles after the individual has died. In March, Pope Benedict XVI told Cardinal Keith O'Brien "get your people to pray for a miracle" so he could proceed with beatification.

A hospital consultant in Ireland was willing to testify to a miracle after a Margaret Sinclair prayer card placed in an ailing baby's incubator appeared to help recovery, but the family shunned publicity.


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  • Last Updated: 23 June 2008 12:15 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Roman Catholic church
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

that money was just resting in my account, so 23/06/2008 00:27:57
You could not make this up.

"Father Ed" is floating a money making scheme to market a new Scottish Saint. He runs holy helplines.

I suppose he lives with a gormless young priest who sleeps in a football shirt and a reprobate who screams obscenities when peeved, all helped out by a tea obsessed housekeeper, and harassed by an irascible Bishop with a fear of rabbits.

Is there going to be a "Lovely Girls" contest, and a Eurovision entry in the pipeline?
2

Jock MacSprog,

23/06/2008 00:30:31
is this a joke ? What kind of idiots would only donate money if their saint was Scottish ?
Why dont you hit up the Vatican for some more dosh Father, they are one of the richest organisations on earth.
3

The Answer,

Glasgow 23/06/2008 00:32:58
Saint "the obese one", his face could be on the backside on an extra large sized scotch pound.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/06/2008 00:40:17

Dear 'OH' me! Now Dont 'Mock' this! and have some respect!
5

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23/06/2008 00:40:23
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Fifi la Bonbon,

23/06/2008 00:41:42
Well I thought it was funny.
7

Fifi la Bonbon,

23/06/2008 00:44:20
"A hospital consultant in Ireland was willing to testify to a miracle after a Margaret Sinclair prayer card placed in an ailing baby's incubator appeared to help recovery, but the family shunned publicity."

What about beatifying the inventors of the incubator?
8

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 23/06/2008 01:18:07
Fifi the sweetie #1,

Aye, yer right, ye couldnae make this up. What a load. Jock MacSprog @ #2 has the right of it, put the begging bowls away and ask Head Orifice for a donation :0(
9

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/06/2008 06:52:51
Saint Alex is all we need (apparently).
10

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 23/06/2008 07:14:36
#10 He is merely the Blessed Alex at the moment.
11

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 23/06/2008 07:45:31
When made a saint she can be exhumed & diced so they can sell little bits on EBay. Wasn't this the sort of sculldugery that brought about the reformation, or don't they teach that to gypsy priests.
12

Gdgy,

dundy 23/06/2008 08:12:46
Why doesn't this priest raise the £ 0.25 M anyway?
Who needs another saint?
13

Boy Wonder,

23/06/2008 08:29:14
Superstitious twaddle!
14

Gunn,

23/06/2008 08:35:53
#1 You've got me thinking ...

Father Ed ... Father Ted ... Ed... Ted... Ed? Ted? Suspiciously similar in name and deed. Well, has ANYONE seem them on the stage TOGETHER?

Or, is this April 1st? (I'd thought it was June 23rd but I AM getting old and forgetful.)
15

Pontificatus Maximus of Avignon,

23/06/2008 08:39:40
Being an Edinburgh saint her reply to supplicants will probably be: "You'll have had your Rich Tea! "
16

jabberjocky,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 08:58:55
nobody calls fr ed 'fr cash' - this is a poorly framed article and the comments are even worse - perhaps the miracle will be the reversal of the scotsmans plunging circulation.
17

larryt,

23/06/2008 09:11:53
The last thing Margaret Sinclair involved herself in were money making rackets. Fr Ed Hone should be ashamed of himself dragging this great woman's name into disrepute and allowing others to belittle her cause.
18

Banjo Face,

23/06/2008 09:15:50
I don't know much about the catholic church, but how do you 'ratify a miracle'? And what did she actually do to deserve beatification? Was it to do with her time in the biscuit factory?

Must've been right good biscuits.
19

M & S loyal,

lochwinnoch 23/06/2008 09:22:43
come on father Ted create 4 saints and make a million, where's your ambition
20

albanman,

23/06/2008 10:12:30
Margaret Sinclair was indeed a saintly woman; she would be ashamed of 'cashing in' on sanctity. As for the article, I don't know of any parishioners who refer to Fr. Ed as 'Fr.Cash'.
21

Hamish Scott,

23/06/2008 10:37:14
It's a pity the article didn't elaborate on why she was made Venerable.

#5#6 Yes, that was funny (to me, anyway)!
22

Green,

Dundee 23/06/2008 10:37:53
A really silly idea, this is the 21st century. Making saints is more likely to make everyone distrust the work the woman did.

What's wrong with a charity seeking money using her name and history to raise funding for the sorts of work she did? If is was good work why can't she just be celebrated kike any other person who has left a legacy of helping others?
23

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 23/06/2008 10:44:29
Why stop at saints as a tourist attraction? We can have weeping statues, miraculous cure wells, bottles of holy water and fragments of the true cross and plenary indulgences for sale in attractive tartan packaging. With luck, Scotland could become like Ireland in the 1970s.
24

AJ Fife,

23/06/2008 10:44:43
Great idea from the Father. I just happen to have the right thumb and left cheek bone of Margaret Sinclair and I'll be more than happy to show them off to pilgrims at £25 a peek!

For £100 a hair, I'll be more than happy to provide pilgrims with Margaret's nostril hair, that just happens to be in my possession.

Roman Catholic Icons should't be sniffed at!
25

Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 23/06/2008 10:49:16
An afterthought - why not canonise Tony Blair for his sterling work for world peace and the brotherhood of man. He has at least one well-attested miracle to his name - the disappearance of the weapons of mass destruction, and he is, after all, a Scot - of sorts.
26

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23/06/2008 11:06:12
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moon glorious 1874,

23/06/2008 11:10:25
belief in god is a mental desease usually found in sheep!! THINK HARDER!!!
28

neilmarr,

Menton, France. 23/06/2008 11:14:09
The Roman Catholic Church -- the oldest and biggest business the world has ever known -- has had a license to print money ever since Constantine became its first big-time backer.

So it should come as no surprise that the current pope has advised Father Cash, to pray for a miracle that would promote Margaret Sinclair from merely Venerable to actual sainthood ... so that he can cash in on the tourist trade it would create.

Isn't it amazing that so long after that (otherwise) crackpot Martin Luther exposed the sale of 'indulgences' as a scam, folks should still be falling for such obvious holy con tricks.

The late John Paul created more saints than any other pope in history and is fast-tracked to join their ranks. No wonder considering the loot his divine promiscuity has assured the Vatican. I guess Benedict's also got a sharp eye for a buck.

No wonder the sign of the Church's top brass is called 'The Crook', eh?

Slainte. Neil
29

Yane,

23/06/2008 11:19:04
Och yev missed the best marketing idea — it says she worked in a biscuit factory — it wasn't McVities was it?
30

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/06/2008 11:25:28
I met someone last year whose EasyJet was on time. That's a miracle, innit?
31

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 11:32:44
I heard they take confessions now on an 0906 number. Oh, sorry, have I gone and mixed that up with the cards on display in the telephone box? It's so hard to keep on top of the nuns and missionaries coming and going these days.
32

Sedov,

Scotland 23/06/2008 11:39:48
I am sure that Margaret Sinclair was a very fine person, and there are many like her in our communities who would be pleased to help Father Ed and raise more money for good causes- but a Saint? What's all that about? Margaret would probably be appalled at such self indulgence from the church Its more religious mumbo jumbo, no thanks
33

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/06/2008 11:41:14
A lot of rampant unbelievers on this thread.

Even is that person was "saintly" isn't it a bit crass to try and cash in on Margaret Sinclair.

You don't have to be RC to realise that indulgences are next up according to the Gospel According to Pope Betty the XVIth.
34

carrottop,

Dumfries 23/06/2008 11:59:07
Already got St. Johnstone and St. Mirren and its a miracle they can survive, suggest the pious trot along there and give the money to a good cause which has yet to be discovered by the masses.
35

SILVANA,

glasgow 23/06/2008 12:34:05
HOW DARE YOU MOCK THE CATHOLIC RELIGION............BEHEAD THE NON BELIEVERS........ALL NON BELIEVERS MUST DIE.

erm, am a bit stuck here.....whits the equivalent of "Kufar"?
36

Yane,

23/06/2008 12:38:48
heathen?
37

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 12:50:11
#38 Keep taking the tablets! Fortunately the Catholic church has grown up quite a bit since the dark ages, the Inquisition and the witch hunts etc. Maybe there's another wee money spinner they could tap into: educating and enlightening extreme Muslims who still have quite a long way to go before they stop beheading and stoning people for commiting adultery or simply having a bit of a laugh at their expense.
38

Hombre,

Tertiary Office, Espana 23/06/2008 12:59:04
Father Ed needs to get his facts right: It was actually Father Stephen OFM (RIP)of the Franciscan Order that started the ball rolling at St. Pats. And if anyone deserves the credit for Margaret Sinclair's eventual passage to sainthood it will be that fine gentleman. Isn't that correct, Father Ed??
39

Busymale,

23/06/2008 13:00:21
I had to check the calendar to see if it was April 1st!
40

bring who on?,

23/06/2008 13:33:45
Why is this story open to comment?To let the bitter individuals vent their bigotry?The marching season is on.Is that not enough for you?Scotlands shame.
Open all your stories to comment.If you want true freedom of speech.Or are there only certain groups who are fair game to offend?
41

monkey man,

23/06/2008 13:39:26
#44
Scotland's Shame are the loonys who believe crackpot stuff like this. lol

Roll up.! Roll up.! Get yer miracles here.! lol
42

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 13:51:12
The best miracle I heard of was some poor fool seeing the face of Mary crying a tear in an unsavoury stain on the wall of an underpass in Rio.

Of course, #44 they do "pizza miracles" quite often as well (the old bearded stare off the mozzarella and pepperoni eyes) and you can get weeping statues in the local DIY stores these days for under twenty quid. But be sure and put the anti-algae powder into the tearful water or it'll be green tears before bedtime and no mistake.
43

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 13:58:31
The best miracle I heard of was some poor fool seeing the face of Mary crying a tear in an unsavoury stain on the wall of an underpass in Rio.

Of course, #44 they do "pizza miracles" quite often as well (the old bearded stare off the mozzarella and pepperoni eyes) and you can get weeping statues in the local DIY stores these days for under twenty quid. But be sure and put the anti-algae powder into the tearful water or it'll be green tears before bedtime and no mistake.
44

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 23/06/2008 14:00:41
It is sad to think we have still have clerical men (and women) who are living in a world of myth and fantasy;instead off the 21st century. When will these people understand; that there should be NO such thing as poor people in the year 2008!
45

Newfie Jim,,

Mobile, Nfld, Canada 23/06/2008 14:14:42
Is it the Baby that said the prayer to Maggie? That would qualify as a miracle wouldn't it? I think that any baby that can pray should be a saint itself!
46

Newfie Jim,,

mobile 23/06/2008 14:22:07
BTW the only Margaret Sinclair we know in Canada is the EX wife of PM Pierre Trudeau who danced with Mick Jagger with out her unmentionables on (I'd name them but they are unmentionable).and she's no saint
47

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georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 23/06/2008 15:17:21
We already have a Saint Margaret, so I think another is pointless....

Also, this is SOOOO Middle Ages, when "indulgences" were sold - oh, wait, that was in the 1950s and 60s, when the nuns and priests used to ply us with medals and scapulars and make us pay 5 cents for them, to help pay our way oot o' purgatory....oooopppss!!!!

The Catholic Church is just a huge conglomerate with more spent in vestments and incense than education and food for the poor!!! I am a happily converted ex-Catholic who sees the Catholic Church for what it really is - a corporation with a current CEO who wears red Prada shoes! Shameless hussy!
49

monkey man,

23/06/2008 15:21:19
#52

The Vatican also has shares in rubber manufacturing companies that make condoms. So much for dogma,eh.? That's only for the little ordinary fools out there whilst they rake in the easy cash.
50

Logician,

Brussels 23/06/2008 15:25:29
53 posts, or thereabouts, of ill informed, prejudiced drivel.

Ahistorical goobledygook straight from history class in proddy school (Year 1). Poor Scotland lumbered with people like that.



51

Stephen Robin,

Coldstream 23/06/2008 15:33:56
It is interesting to read not only the article but also the blogs about this topic. There are so many misconceptions about saints, so much misunderstanding of what is church. By very definition, saints, whether Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, or other, are people who lived their lives fully and completely among us. They lived their lives as closely as possible following the teachings of Jesus, and of the apostles of the early church. The first to be called saints were those who gave their lives as martyrs to this belief, Saint Stephen being one of the first recognised by the church. The church at that time was one church, a community of loosely linked groups, sometimes in harmony, often in conflict, as they worked out what church, living together, and Jesus where all about. For over three hundred years by identifying oneself as a follower of Jesus you were making a statement which could cost you and your family their livelihood or even their lives. As these early followers of Jesus travelled about the country, they taught the word, they prayed with the sick, the poor, the most oppressed people within the Roman Empire, as Jesus had done during his lifetime. As Jesus had done they reached out to mend the brokenness in the relationships between people and God, whether physical or spiritual. In so doing there were reports of healings or both body and spirit, sometimes both at the same time, and the legends of the saints were born. These were ordinary people doing extraordinary things, by the grace of God, through the knowledge of Jesus, with the power of the Holy Spirit. They were ordinary people who humbled themselves before God. To honor these people by remembering their lives is something we all should do as we learn and grow in our own lives and ministries as baptized followers of Jesus. The selling of their lives as objects of wealth generation is in part the reason for the schism within the church later in its life into Protestantism and Roman Catholicism. Rom
52

monkey man,

23/06/2008 15:34:18
#54
There is no such entity as a " Proddy/ Protestant school" in Scotland. But you would know that...you being educated.! lol
53

Stephen Robin,

Coldstream 23/06/2008 15:35:36
...continued


Roman Catholics do not seem to have leant from this period. To financially support a church in its ministry is to give monies to support the ministries of Jesus. Those ministries can be to feed the hungry, to clothe the poor, to heal the sick, and all by bringing the followers of Jesus into community as one church.
54

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 15:38:51
Thank goodness we never got that law banning having a good laugh at religious nutters of all colours and persuasions.

Does anyone have a direct dial number for that Vatican "is it a miracle?" SWAT team (proper number please - I'm not paying £1.50 per minute for the call)? I just finished my cup of tea and the remains of the biscuit at the bottom definitely look like Holy Mary. No kidding.
55

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/06/2008 15:39:19
#38 Silvana

You do not have to SHOUT at us! Take off your caps lock, please.

You have your beliefs and, believe it or not, most of the rest of the world is NOT Roman Catholic.

But then how is one to reason with a hysterical Catholic such as yourself.
56

Iain's,

Barcelona 23/06/2008 15:40:36
Sadly, there are no Scottish saints.
57

zigzag,

Tecumseh 23/06/2008 16:07:25
Any Proddie saints around?
58

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indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 16:25:34

Is this the same outfit that was holding a "vigil" for Zimbabwe?

Father Ed would do well in Vegas. What a travesty! Simply proves what a fatuous farce organised religion has been and will always be.

Father Ed and his scheme must have the poor woman turning in her grave.
60

indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 16:27:47
58 - Mikko, I would have thought the remains at the bottom of your tea cup would have resembled Holy Sh*te!
No kidding.
61

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 23/06/2008 16:32:59
What about Saint Wendy - she knows all about donations!
62

indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 16:34:59
66 - ... and deposits!!
63

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 16:54:02
#58 This is so unfair. My teacup remains are drying up as we speak - so my own little miracle will go unseen and all because my calls to the Vatican have been in vain.

It could have been so different; I was thinking of a "kissing wall" where the believers could pay £5 each to kiss an image of the holy tea biscuit's remains and tea shirts, key rings and fluffy toys; the whole shebang.

But it's all gone so badly wrong because the Vatican "is it a miracle?" SWAT team weren't here when it really mattered.
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indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 17:08:47

Mikko - clearly, you have failed to grasp Marketing Religion 101. Suggest you enroll in St. Pat's night school - 5,000 quid for a week's course - reduced by 10% if you bring 10 friends. A further 10% is offered if you were a former Vegas croupier or showgirl ( 20% if both!!).

Kissing wall? Naaah! One-arm bandit wall. 4 pointy hats = 500 quid. 3 choir/altar boys = 1 year's subscription to (H)Altar Boys Exclusive. 2 miracles = refund of money. 1 revelation - freedom.

65

W Smith,

Middle East 23/06/2008 17:10:14
So while millions of people were dying in WW2 this snivelling little coward, ..sorry... I mean Pope Pious XII, was hiding out in the Vatican too terrified to speak out against Catholic Adolf Hitler and his catholic Croatian allies but he had plenty of time to 'recognise' our Maggies 'piety'.

Great - what a contribution to the war effort.
66

bring who on?,

23/06/2008 17:15:21
you can spew out your vile but you can't take it.Scotland's shame.
67

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 23/06/2008 17:45:48
On the subject of raising money, I am amused by the headline of another article:

"Death of 'Fearless' Freddy leaves betting world poorer"

Assuming Freddy to have been something of a character, and blessed, therefore, with a sense of humour, surely the article should have been headed:

"Death of 'Fearless' Freddy leaves betting world better off"
68

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 17:59:29
#69 I was hoping God just needed a quick dollop of the lolly to get him over a rough patch but if he needs a long term loan then I'll have to go and talk to Gordon's boys out back.
69

Dòmhnall,

Balfron 23/06/2008 17:59:47
hahaha !....hilarious ! Well, churches have to pay to bills too...!
70

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 23/06/2008 18:07:28
#79 "Always look on the bright side of life" dee dum dee dum dee dum.
71

Logician,

Brussels 23/06/2008 18:08:18
All this stuff, and how did we get there from an article about a campaign to canonise a poor, pious, working class Edinburgh girl, about WW 2 and the Pope is adolescent gibberish.

Did the Allies do anything about the Jews? By and large no. Bomb the lines to the camps-No. Take other military action? -No.

As to Nazism, the encyclical mit brenneder sorge condemned it, outright, unambiguous, clear-long before the war. I mean worship of race or nation is idolatry. All christians know that.

Finally, if in doubt check out what the chief Rabbi in Rome had to say about Pius at the end of the war. He might have been in a better judgement to assess than the yoyos posting here.



72

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 23/06/2008 18:11:11
#76 Methalions
Greetings. I was around yesterday. Had my cover blown by Jock Tamson, who had the temerity to ask for information on some ban on smoking (and/or blankets) in Amsterdam. Had to confess that I had never been there, and had not the faintest idea of what was going on. Well, I didn't have to confess, but it seemed the honourable thing to do. Holiday most enjoyable. Visited the 'F' village but saw no sign of anyone in the gutter babbling incoherently. This was something of a disappointment. Probably, almost certainly, returning to the area come November.
Where have I been? Working too hard. However seasonal staff now on so a bit more spare time, I hope.
73

rona,

23/06/2008 18:16:28
logicans a kafflick
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indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 18:17:34

80 - Meths - amen to that brother.
75

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 23/06/2008 18:24:01
#86 Methalions
Laid up with a kidney stone! A woman would have been preferable.
Will keep you advised of booking - and this assumes that the airlines can still afford the kero, and we can still afford the air fare.
76

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 23/06/2008 18:26:40
89 - Hasta luego
77

indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 18:58:11

Meths - if you pray alone - will anybody hear you?

Why in the woods? Why not the bog?

Song and dance about prayer? Hmmm. Think you're getting evangelical on us!
78

saneatheist,

Bixter 23/06/2008 19:54:51
These Catliks and their "Saints" worra they like? Still.......It gave me a laugh, so not all bad:-)
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SILVANA,

glasgow 23/06/2008 20:06:18
TimW >59 thank god yer in Canada.

a) Am not Catholic...............you made a wrong assumption
b) Read ma entry ya eejit was being humorous unlike some extremists in this country.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 23/06/2008 20:06:58
Miracle 1.

"In 1923, Ms Sinclair joined the Poor Claires convent in Notting Hill, London, where she was given the name Sister Mary Francis of the Five Wounds."

Any women with 5 Gashes must be a miracle.

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Do the catholics have a secret bible that says they are allowed to worship idols/saints/mothers of babies/symbols ? I always thought their god tried to rule that our with the simple to follow 10 rules he gave to the jewish fellow from egypt.

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To the muppet who keeps posting "Scotlands Shame!" Get your beads our and forgive us instead of judging. We are only following your rule book that your self serving leaders have pretty much being ignoring for the last 1500 years while they line their pockets, beast kids and talk nonce sense.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 23/06/2008 20:08:21
If my post at #94 does not get deleted that will be miracle number 2. Bring on the SAINTHOOD
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Fifi la Bonbon,

That would be an ecumenical matter. 23/06/2008 20:26:30
I'm not surprised that my funny joke at #5 got deleted.

If people are interested, google the phrase "The Pope was having a shower".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b66SlBA948o
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/06/2008 20:47:43
Isn't it great to be Scots?! I could wallow in the humour all day like a pig in...um no, cancel that one...like a Leodhasach in peat. So many fantastic postings!
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/06/2008 21:06:50
#55 Stephen Robin, Coldstream: Yer glaikit, lad, glaikit, and the kirk is nothing but a glaik.

Since I have been requested so often by Christians (and adherents of other religions) to read their books, AND HAVE DONE SO, I openly challenge Christians to read the work of probably the greatest Biblical scholar ever, Marcello Craveri: "The Life of Jesus", the more recent work of Luigi Cascioli: "The Fable of Christ", parts VIII to X in Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", and "The Spanish Inquisition, A History" by Joseph Perez. Many fascinating facts come to light, such as the impossibility of the life of Jesus as recounted in the Gospels, the fabrication of the New Testament, the fabrication of saints by the early RM Church, the fabrication of the early history of the RM Church by itself, the manner in which early Christians destroyed the temples of other religions and deliberately sought martyrdom, despite the Romans bending over backwards to treat them leniently, the great ruthlessness and brutality with which the RM Church and indeed the early Protestants treated their opponents, etc. The time for superstition is over. Gone. Deader than a dead parrot and as dead as that dead parrot skit itself.
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tyson,

Annapolis the Great 23/06/2008 21:18:48
Heh, heh, heh... I already venerate Sts. Mungo and Al Gore. No room for a third.
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tyson,

Severna Park 23/06/2008 21:25:12
I wanted to leave a comment about Glasgow, wise men and virgins...
/got nothin'
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Jock MacTamson 2,

23/06/2008 21:34:46
#98 - He kicked the traders out into the streets and they have remained in the high street for the last 2000 years we call them "BANKS" and they are still robbing gypsy's
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danbob,

23/06/2008 21:36:05
55# Saints are a catholic invention. Tell me a book or paragraph of the bible that mentions saints.
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indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 21:55:03

Where is Father Ed? Counting his money?
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Logician,

brussels 23/06/2008 21:55:15
You have to laugh at old Coara there quoting some sensationalist on the make cowboys as if they are historians.

Funny,some people ,and there desperate search for sensationalism and attention.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/06/2008 22:34:10
#93 Silvana

So, I made a wrong assumption. So, sue me.

And I throw "eejit" right back at you.

And thank God you are in Scotland, you pampered, precious closeted orchid.

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indune1,

Canada 23/06/2008 22:39:34
106 - Orchid? I thought "Thistle" would have been more appropriate considering the circumstances and exchange.
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SILVANA,

glasgow 24/06/2008 01:46:17
106/107

I used to think that Canada was reasonably drug free.............Orchid..Thistle?????????

Sue you? Hey we dont go running to a solicitor/lawyer at a drop of a hat......

Anyway, I think Orchirds are beautiful.......even though I am not pampered, closeted nor precious.
;0)
As to organised religions........stuff them all....they have caused war and strife for centuries and it does not look as if its going to stop anytime soon.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/06/2008 03:01:41
Silvana

I think what you are witnessing in the postings of myself and indune 1 is something that is quite foreign to you; it goes by the name of WIT.
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abiding,

So. Lake Tahoe 24/06/2008 07:54:41
#55 and #103 Saints are not a Catholic invention nor a New Testament idea...read both Old Testament and New Testament books (verses) as follows; 1Samuel 2:9, Psalm 30:4, Psalm 116:15, Psalm 149:1, Daniel 7:18, Romans 8:27, 1Corinthians 6:2, Ephesians 1:18, & Revelation 5:8. Saints are people judged righteous by God (not the Pope or any other human being). So, Ms. Sinclair may very well be a saint...but not because the Pope says so;-)
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SILVANA,

glasgow 24/06/2008 09:43:06
109.........You sound soooooo high handed. Pity you did not notice that my original posting came under the same banner. Have no fear shall retreat to my closet!
Good Morning to All
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Jonesy,

Bile yur heid 24/06/2008 10:27:09
This has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or belief. Pure commercialisation of religion. The reformation got rid of this sort of rubbish eg paying the church for a better seat in heaven etc. Send this "priest" off to a refresher course on God's teachings
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senza nome,

24/06/2008 22:14:33
60:There have been scottish saints.
St.John Ogilvie,St.Ninian,St.Mungo, patron saint of Glasgow, St.Margaret,queen of Scotland, St.Serf, St.Modan,St.Machar,St.Columba, irish- born but founder Iona Abbey,to name but a few.
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Ribbonman,

London 24/06/2008 22:41:15
#94 Jock.... Your post proves without a doubt that YOU are Scotland's shame. Grow up idiot!
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Ribbonman,

London 24/06/2008 22:51:51
I pity you jocks up there in backward Scotland. Just reading monkey mans posts---- #53 + #56 makes me happy to be English and above all of that sectarian hatred against Roman Catholics.

Why dont you Jocks just grow up and behave like civilised Englishmen. We have fed you lot for long enough.
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Mop,

*********** 01/07/2008 10:10:27
Im really saddened by this article but Fr Ed is in the evening news more than any other Catholic priest Ive ever known.I dont know if he is perhaps trying to raise the profile of the church but boy hes going about this in completely the wrong way.

All I do know is priests and money are never far away from each other.

Margaret Sinclair was a very humble person,a friend of my mothers well her mum worked beside her in the French Polishers which is what Margaret worked at before she joined the convent.Another poster summed it up,I think Margaret Sinclair would have been horrified by this whole article,and to consider using saints as a money making venture is disgusting.

I think you are looking at another reason as to why people are leaving the church in droves.

I myself left years ago and dont regret it one bit.

Im sorry to say that nowadays I find most religions wanting for a bit of christianity about them.
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Gdgy,

dundy 31/10/2008 08:17:52
Make a new saint if you want BUT raise the money...I'm sure the poor and the rest of us will value the charity if not the reason

 

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