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'Give Holyrood control of our taxes'



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Published Date: 18 July 2008
TAVISH Scott, the front-runner for the Scottish Liberal Democrat leadership, wants the Scottish Parliament to have control over most of the taxes raised in Scotland – but he would not reveal which ones.
Mr Scott is today sending a personal manifesto to each of the 4,000 Liberal Democrat members in Scotland, setting out what he would do as leader.

Yesterday, he told The Scotsman he would not "dance to Alex Salmond's jig" by agreeing to a referendum on independence, but he did want a radical redrawing of the devolution settlement, giving Holyrood control over most taxes raised in Scotland.

Mr Scott's manifesto is based on three themes: devolving power down as far as possible, going green and standing up for personal freedoms.

The former transport minister said he wanted powers devolved from Westminster to Holyrood and then on to local government.

The Liberal Democrats have always been vague about exactly which financial powers should be devolved to Holyrood. Mr Scott went slightly further, saying: "I would look to see a broad spread of tax powers given to the Scottish Parliament."

Asked whether this would include income tax, stamp duty, VAT and corporation tax, he replied: "I think the starting point should be as many of these taxation powers as appropriate."

But the Shetland MSP was adamant he did not want to do anything to help the SNP achieve independence and he would not be changing his total opposition to an independence referendum. "It's not an issue people are talking about on the doorsteps, it's not an issue party members have raised with me," he said.

"It's one of these issues politicians like to talk about, but which people generally feel is irrelevant. I am not going to be distracted by it. If we start talking about it, we will start dancing to Alex Salmond's jig and I'm not going to do that."

Mr Scott is in favour of allowing local councils to spend more money on their own priorities and freeing up more resources for local government.

In the leadership race, he has considerable support among his parliamentary colleagues, in both London and Edinburgh, while his main challenger, Mike Rumbles, is understood to be making progress among grass-roots activists.

Mr Rumbles, the MSP for West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine, hopes to secure more support than the 24 per cent he received when he stood for the leadership in 2005.

An increase of more than 35 per cent might surprise Mr Scott, particularly as this election will be fought under the single transferable vote system and, with three candidates standing, the one with the most support after the first votes are counted is not guaranteed success.

The result will be announced on 26 August.


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18/07/2008 00:05:41
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

18/07/2008 00:08:27

Tavish will not include oil revenue, Corporation or indeed VAT in that.

There's no point unless we can vary them.

It'll be income tax only

Piecemeal

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Royster,

18/07/2008 00:10:56
What exactly do the Lib Dems stand for?
4

Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 00:16:21
Tavish who ?
5

truthsleuth,

18/07/2008 00:29:05
Great idea then we would know who to blame.
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John PM,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 00:31:12
Even the abysmally unambitious Nicole said he wanted oil revenues, though his UK party pals then ignored him! Is Tavish even more gutless than his former leader? Not a great start is it. Keep banging on about unionism Tavish that's real popular with the Scots (as you know when you see your opinion poll ratings).
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Willie Mor,

18/07/2008 00:36:09
Flip flop, slabber and slaver,I am a DibLem

I say Scotland should have control over most of it's taxes but I won't tell yopu which ones but I am for devolving power as far as possible, going green and standing up for personal freedoms.

By personal freedoms I mean you know what I mean. We are big on that. Same for green, we should all be green and the DibLems are all for that. No half hearted measure here our policy will be to green Scotland.

The problem is that the other parties are wishy washy. Don't say what they mean. Not like us.

Anyway, I want Scotland to control it's own taxes. Not like the SNP they only want to control Scotland's taxes but not like us DibLems.

Now, when I am leader, I will ensure that we take a strong line on these issues. You know where you stand with us.

Yes strong on policy. You can trust the DibLems.
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Pat Scot,

18/07/2008 00:43:12
2 Coileach an taobh Tuath

Like the moniker "Co©k of the north side" 8-)
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monkey man,

18/07/2008 00:44:24
Tavish.? lol I feel sorry for him.....
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Tynietiger,

18/07/2008 00:54:36
Is Tavish Scott Glenn Campbell's brother in law?

I have rarely seen such as biased interviewer than Glenn Campbell, with appropriate red tie, on last night’s Newsnight debate. Fresh from allowing Labour’s Mike Dailly to hijack last Sunday’s Politics Show debate with a non story, he, like the recent Question Time programme, ensured that Labour was allowed to answer all the major topics after the SNP spokesperson.

He regularly quoted and attributed Margaret Curran’s campaign points, but not those of any of the other panellists, then dredged up a seven year old email in attempt to embarrass John Mason but did not tackle Mrs Curran when she lied about not knowing that the resigning Labour MP used his house as his constituency office.

Also he did not tackle Curran on her statement that she lived in the constituency or asked her about the rumour I heard some months ago from a Labour Party source that she was the one who leaked details of Wendy Alexander’s expenses to the Sunday Herald.

Near the end, Curran was allowed to go on at length but Glenn Campbell then interrupted and curtailed John Mason’s answer. His bias is becoming embarrassing.

I trust SNP supporters will write to the Chairman of BBC Scotland to complain.
Or is it only Labour who are allowed to claim political bias on part of the BBC?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 01:13:28

"'Give Holyrood control of our taxes'"

'AYE' RIGHT THEN!

I Have the Word,...'SUCKER' PRINTED ON MY HEAD!
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 01:25:40
#12 Robin, maybe her Labour/Independence/Unionist actor pal can get her an equity card. As an extra she could play the part of the "2nd Raptor on the left" without wasting any time in the costume or makeup department.
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Jock 1O7,

18/07/2008 01:45:36
14 Vivas

her Labour/Independence/Unionist actor pal is very convincing, though - possibly up for a barfta
14

Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 02:10:13
#15 Jock ... Had to laugh at Curran's response on the BBC News earlier. How he'd been misquoted ... misrepresented ... followed immediately by the BBC footage from last year of his stirring cry for independence, the union was deid etc...

Hilarious !

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Jock 1O7,

18/07/2008 02:33:00
16 Vivas

Hilarious isn't the start of it! They'll all clutch at any (ahem) "celebrity" to boost their image.

What's next - the Greens endorsed the Incredible Hulk, or Solidarity by the "cheap as chips" guy?
16

yankey,

BO'NES HARBOUR 18/07/2008 03:27:37

Perhaps he could explain why the Lib Dums are voting for a Dutch Multi National to be given the best site for house building for miles paying PEANUTS ..IN 5 YEARS TIME

Supporting the Liebor Party

Sharing the Spoils or to Stupid to know the Slabs
are taking them for the MUGS they are

My choice

Sharing the spoils !!



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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 18/07/2008 04:11:29
Yesterday, he told The Scotsman he would not "dance to Alex Salmond's jig"

Er, where were his proposals for these sort of powers before the SNP took power?

Everything that the unionists do that transfers more power to Holyrood is a reaction to the SNP.

Devolution was designed to take the wind out of the SNP's sails - cleary that hasn't happened.

Tavish you are not only dancing to Alex's jig but your humming it too!
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Guga II,

Rockall 18/07/2008 04:31:12
Well we know the Whigs don't believe in democracy, with their opposition to a referendum, but as for their beliefs on the control of taxation, who knows.

They have been sitting on the fence for so long that their brains have been impaled.
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john z,

edinburgh 18/07/2008 05:37:54
You know, I just never understood why the lib dems never agreed to power share with the SNP at Holyrood. I mean the idea of a referendum (a democratic process)as the only reason for them not doing so, seems really strange.

But, Lib Dems just don't seem to know what they stand for. Suggesting control of tax, but not of revenue, is just dumb, even David Steel recently suggested in a London parliamentary committee session on devolution, that Full fiscal autonomy is inevitable for Scotland.
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john z,

edinburgh 18/07/2008 05:39:22
I meant to say Sir David Steel, as I think he is one of the few to have genuinely earned such a title.
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cabrach loon,

inverness 18/07/2008 06:29:50
it's a start, include motor vehicle registration and fuel taxes, add a transit tax on all oil products shipped out of scotland and go on auntil the books are balanced - easy to make scotland more attractive than england fiscally for corpoorations - the best example to copy is switzerland by far.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 18/07/2008 07:30:35
I wonder what is behind his announcement, I suspect he's trying to syphon off some SNP supporters - don't quite think he'll be successful though....
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Thomas1,

18/07/2008 07:48:45
Next
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eric,

Lothian 18/07/2008 08:11:44
Was he in Balamory.
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Anglofile,

18/07/2008 08:30:07
He can't name the taxes as he hasn't a clue. 4000 party members..................cunning stunts!!!!!!!!
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Nubar Gulbenkian,

18/07/2008 08:31:45
Quote from above:

" The Liberal Democrats have always been vague...."

Says it all really!

Tory toff Tavish will probably win then!
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Molz,

Lothian 18/07/2008 08:44:13
Another Libdem with his name the wrong way roond. where do they find them?
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Dissector,

Stirling 18/07/2008 08:59:27
So the lunatics want to be in control of the financial asylum - all the evidence highlights that the inmates couldn't run a piggy bank let alone the petty cash - claiming expenses they're good at !

The last person leaving a bankrupt Scotland won't have to turn the lights off - they'll all be missing.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 18/07/2008 09:05:12
Great idea - give the lunatics control of the asylum. They did such a wonderful job costing and building the Scottish Parliament didn't they? Initial budget £30 million - final cost over £450 million - and guess what? NOBODY WAS RESPONSIBLE! Nobody was sacked, demoted - nothing: all the wee piggies trotted home with snouts dripping with tax payers money.

Take a look at ANY project they are involved in - from the M74 extension to the Border Waverley line - and in every case they couldn't run a corner shop. The blind leading the blind.
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donald,

glasgow 18/07/2008 09:12:31
Tavish is a Morris Dancer.
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kt mcallan,

scotland 18/07/2008 09:18:05
the lib dems are just background noise...
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 09:18:29
#Tweedmouth

Exactly westminster made a complete mess of the scottish parliament building. If they had allowed the msp to be elected and make decisions on the parliament we probably would not have had the mess we had.

Problem was blair wanted to make the parliament subverient in comparison to westminster that labour prevent scotland having a majestic parliament and rushed the whole mess through.

Labour we so intent on prevent the snp choice of parliament an existing building becuase of any links it had historically to independence.

But it is not just the parliament westminster messed up for scotland but remember the mess they made of the dome. So it is just the incompetence of westminster to run any major capital project.

As for cost remember they spend the same amount on a car park for westminster as they did for the scottish parliament.
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Upbeat,

18/07/2008 09:21:02
Don't you just love it .... I had to laugh... post 23

"go on auntil the books are balanced"

"the best example to copy is switzerland by far."

First no one is their right mind would want politicians to be authorised to take tax from us.... " until the books balanced "

Second; Switzerland may have a very carefully balanced and apparently enviable economy. But to attempt to replicate this anywhere else is doomed to failure.

Is Scotland in the centre of Europe with transit routes north/ south/ east/ west crossing its territory ? Has Scotland remained polically neutral in all conflicts in Europe since the 17th century, with a banking system reknowned for its secrecy ? Does Scotland have world leading technologically advanced chemical , engineeering and pharmaceutical industries which add value in enormous percentages to all products created there ?

Aspire all you like. Scotland will get the economy that is unique to Scotland. When the Scottish people at every level become as well trained as the Swiss ,and develop highly technological world leading industries ,with a population wholly motivated and involved financially in their land, then and only then will the standards enjoyed by nations that have these advantages appear on the horizon.
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 09:22:55
The lib dems must vote for Rumbles. Tavish Scott just seems clueless. How can you really go into an election and not make clear what you believe.

Rumbles plan for fiscal autonomy seems sensible and workable. Scott just seems to have been bounced into this announcement by Rumbles but is not convincing that he actually believes it. That and he does not seem to know what he wants.

How are the voters for the lib dem election really meant to choose scott when he is saying my policies are better than rumbles but i do not know what they are.
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Publius,

London 18/07/2008 09:30:41
Tavish Scott should tell us where he stands on the amount of tax. Nick Clegg is saying that the UK LibDems now wnat to cut taxes. In one jump Clegg has taken the UK libDems from left of Labour to right of the Tories. Scottish voters have a right to know the Scottish LibDem policy on tax levels.
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Slartibartfast,

The 5th Dimension 18/07/2008 09:49:13
Is Tavish Scott a Saxe Coburg-Gothe secret love-child? Look at the similarity of his coupon to Jeremy Paxman and in turn Prince Charles. It would explain the mindless psychotic support of the London Establishment. And while I’m on DNA comparables, compare Tony Blair with Richard Branson… makes you think…
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 10:10:36
#38 Publius

The amount of taxes is abit irrelevent until we control the levers of taxation.
38

Tourist Guide,

18/07/2008 10:21:29
#32
Where did you pluck the fictitious figure of over £450
million pounds from? Repeat an untruth often enough and you persude yourself to believe it - the next stage is to try and persuade everyone else to believe it!

#36
So Scotland is some kind of Third World country then, a complete economic basket case? I refer you to the comment above.



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brownlie,

18/07/2008 10:34:06
With reference to the independence referendum Tavish Scott states "Its not an issue people are talking about on the doorstep". I'm not sure whose doorstep he was on but the majority of people I spoke to in the constituency made reference to the referendum in one form or another.
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Brian Hill,

18/07/2008 11:05:45
Tavish is not going to dance to Salmond's jig. What does he think wanting to control most of Scotland's taxes is?

He and every other politician in Scotland (and many beyond it) are in fact dancing to that jig and with each step they are edging Scotland towards Independence.

Bring on more pipers and let's really get this dance livened up...a pipe band or two in Glasgow East over the weekend would not go amiss. Pipers can volunteer by clicking here: http://www.snp.org/node/14037

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cataibh,

over the struie 18/07/2008 11:36:54
#18 Could I point out that the "developers" for the "regeneration" of Bo'ness is not a Multi National Conglomerate as the labour party have people believe, but infact a £1.00 limited company.
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Neil,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 12:14:19
"– but he would not reveal which ones" (ie which taxes)

All fluff & nonsense. Yesterday he was saying he would base his campaign on fighting the high price of oil - something on which Westminster has lettle infleunce & he has none.

I assume he is not going to call for Scots control of corporation tax (as the SNP wish to achieve Irish style growth) since such economic liberalism is cause for being expelled from the party.

He is the establishment candidate & will probably. The party will continue down its illiberal plughole.
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 18/07/2008 12:59:47
So what is happening with the Calman commission then?
44

McMillar,

Fife 18/07/2008 13:03:02
Did his lips move?
45

Alan B,

18/07/2008 13:48:10
#Neil

Rumbles has already called for full fiscal autonomy and hence corporation tax.
46

Jorel,

Scotland 18/07/2008 13:50:55
i find all these conspiracey theroies and paranoid claims of nats with nothing better to do rather sad. I watched the debate, last night, im not party political and John stoneMason was soooo boring. He waffles, he grins aimlessly and was very weak. he diesnt know his party line and proposes ridiculous things.
Glenn Campbell did press Labour on their draconian ASBO legislation but she is smart, quick and clever and skillfully handled herself unlike stoneMason. i also thought the lib dem candidate was extremely articulate and intune and would get my vote if i lived there.

this forum needs a bit more grown up and mature contributions from some people and in terms of the Calman commission, my understandign is they will report the end of this year?
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Alan B,

18/07/2008 14:44:04
#Jorel

I find it difficult to see how you cannot think Campbell is biased towards labour. So many of his interviews are. Brewer is so much better and deal with all political parties on a much more even keel.

From what i have seen of the candidate Curran is the weakest. I agree the lib dems is quite smooth but has got himself into a mess abit over Cleggs differing policies and coalitions with the tories. So not sure how u can say Mason does not know the party line. In what way. Lets face it honest candidates are not going to agree with with all party policies. The tory woman has probably come across as the best of the candidates. But it is not just about the persons abilities and carisma but the policies of the parties they belong to.
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Neil,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 14:55:05
Alan 46 - But would he do anything with it or is it, like most similar calls from the SNP, merely a sort of macho call to have powers they won't use. We have seen 9 years of a Parliament able to vary income tax by 3p & not one of the parties has proposed using it since to increase it would merely make the key players move south & to reduce it, while undoubtedly improving the economy, would smack of the smaller state economic liberalism all the parties (not least the LDs) are opposed to.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 14:56:46
Giving these Idiots control of our Taxes would like giving a Monkey a loaded gun !

They can't even build a friggin' building without it be 10 x over budget! And they keep on coming up with various schemes like Trams, and brand new council buildings rather than repairing schools, making the streets safe or god forbid getting someone clean the hospitals properly !

MSP's are third rate politicians who barely know their buttocks from their elbows - the less power they have the better - we could save Scotland £1billion a year just by getting rid of them !!!

I suppose then we would still have Labour in power in Scotland .. suddenly a £1 billion doesn't sound so bad !? I really hope the SNP are going to do us proud now ... no pressure !?

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Who?,

18/07/2008 15:33:24
If ever you wanted a reason for disbanding Holyrood then Tavish Scott is it.

He is an awful jumped odious little cretin. He has nothing to offer but is on this gravy train for the next 15 years or so, all funded by us.

People like him make me sick.
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18/07/2008 15:56:39
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Tourist Guide,

18/07/2008 17:54:25
#50
That old myth resurrected again! The Scottish Parliament was never going to be £40m or even £50m - these were just figures plucked out of the air, as everyone knows.

Meanwhile, consider: Sidney Opera House (10 times over budget), Greenwich Dome (well over budget!), Portcullis
House in London (10 times over budget), Westminster Parliament in 19th Century (well over budget).......get the picture?
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Media 1,

cape town 18/07/2008 18:46:15
Start as you mean to go on!
WELL THEN, we all know how Hollyrood began and the absolute rip off that followed. It was for all intent an unbelievable swindle. And just as it started so it continues to rip off the public.
I would be happy if it was closed tomorrow and NEVER opened again. Leave politics in Westminster where it belongs and lets turn that monstrosity of a building into a prion or something. At least that way we will still be using it to house criminals.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 19:23:30
55, Media1, that would mean that you want Capetown under Westminster rule. You probably would.
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Media 1,

cape town 18/07/2008 19:52:12
Jock Tamson

Well we are not under ANC rule, which is most important and also one of the reasons that our city centre is the only one that people can use day and night. Durban, Johannesburg and Sandton City in Joburg, which is about the size of Edinburgh cannot be used at night.
But back to basics, Scotland is part of the UK and our government should be situated in London and London only.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 20:22:17
Yes, Media1 @57, but did the world end when Westminster stopped ruling South Efrica? Were you repeating the Westminster rule over there then?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/07/2008 20:26:35
Btw, Media1, my government is in Edinburgh. Where's yours?
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Tris,

18/07/2008 20:48:33
No point in limited control of taxes. That would mean having to fit the ones we control round taxes controlled by England.

Stupid idea.

We should control all our taxes, and all our spending. End of story.

My government is in Edinburgh too Jock Tamson!
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ThomasP,

18/07/2008 21:31:11
57 Media 1,cape town

"But back to basics, Scotland is part of the UK and our government should be situated in London and London only."

Our?

You are not apart of OUR country...

and the people in my country have the right to campaign for whatever they feel is right.

You should really keep your nose out of politics that does not concern you.

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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 18/07/2008 21:37:20
Surely any Scot worthy of the tag should be working incessantly to have their nation's respect and dignity be returned to them. These basic democratic elements were taken from them, not by the will or consultaion of its people, but by a treacherous, corrupt and priviledged Aristocratic minority.
Most small nations, many much smaller than our own country, can manage to handle their own affairs quite well. So why shouldn't we?
Little Malta, is a glowing example!
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Iainbroch,

Moray 18/07/2008 22:17:21
Lavish Tavish - another gutless Onionist wonder! Utterly clueless!
If the Fib Dems are silly enough to elect him leader then I will not lose any sleep over it!
The Fib Dem leadeship contest is not worth getting bothered about. Clueless Party with a clueless leadership south of the border and probably north of the border as well soon.
Oblivion and extiction beckon. There are no Joe Grimonds to save even one of thier seats?
If they keep going the way they are going they will lose the Northern Isles as well! Ha Ha Ha!
62

roughrider,

Glasgow 18/07/2008 22:40:08
Macho Tavish disnae want to dance to A.Salmonds tune.
Dis Big Macho Tavish smell sleaze within his own party of labour butt lickin puppets like Stephens the nose?
Diz Big ginger face Tavish have a clue about the real Scotland which would prosper and over take his pathetic
soundbited restricted ambition of continued Wastemonster control?
Tavish , like your soon to be exposed ponce of a cheating money grabbing wee snout in your trough leader
you r fcuked.


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jerrymanders,

18/07/2008 22:46:50
My goodness M1 you get real stick on these threads too!

 

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