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Apology on the cards as police pup picture sparks warning over offence to Muslims



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Published Date: 02 July 2008
A POLICE force has apologised over concerns that an advertisement featuring a German shepherd pup could be offensive to the Islamic community.
As part of a campaign to publicise its new non-emergency telephone number, Tayside Police used a picture of a black puppy, Rebel, on postcards to be distributed throughout the east coast region.

However, following the intervention of Mohammed As
if, a Dundee councillor who warned police the image would "not be welcomed" by some communities, the force described the publicity drive as an "oversight".

Mr Asif, a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, raised the matter on Monday after claiming the potentially offensive nature of the postcards had been brought to his attention by members of the city's 3,000-strong Muslim community.

Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with them.

Mr Asif, a Labour councillor for Dundee's Coldside ward, said some shopkeepers would refuse to display the postcard.

He said: "My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities. With the dog on the cards, it was probably a waste of resources going to these communities.

"People who have shops just won't put up the postcard. But the police have said to me that it was simply an oversight and they did not seek to offend or upset."

Tayside Police said they chose the image of Rebel in light of the puppy's popularity locally and online, where his blog has attracted thousands of visitors. The postcards were sent to every home and business in the Tayside area.

A spokesman for the force said he was unable to provide costings for the thousands of postcards, and that the possibility of pulling them from circulation was still under investigation.

He added: "Trainee police dog Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks, as Tayside Police's newest canine recruit."

He added: "We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused."

However, a member of staff at the Al-Maktoum Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies, a Dundee-based organisation which seeks to promote intelligent debate and understanding of Islam, disputed Mr Asif's claims that the image could be deemed offensive.

The staff member, who did not wish to be named, said: "In scripture, having a dog as a pet is considered forbidden, as they are considered unclean animals, and you must wash and clean after handling them.

"However, dogs can be used to hunt or farm, or even as guide dogs for the blind. I would not say a picture of a dog is offensive, but people have different sensibilities and different limits."

Osama Saeed, chief executive of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, said Muslims traditionally regarded dogs differently from people brought up in western culture, and suggested that Mr Asif's remarks had been taken out of context.

He said: "It does not appear to me that Mohammed Asif has mentioned anywhere that Muslims as a faith group would find this offensive.

"This seems to be a complaint based on culture rather than religion. There isn't any Islamic basis for taking issue with a simple picture of a little puppy."

Ian Mackintosh, an Angus councillor and convener of the Tayside Joint Police Board, said: "The force has made it clear that it was an oversight not to consult their diversity adviser on this occasion and that there was no intention to cause upset or offence."

Mr Asif, depute convener of the council's leisure, arts and communities committee, was not available for further comment yesterday.

BACKGROUND

CONSERVATIVE Muslims have long-regarded dogs as unclean animals, but the issue can polarise opinion.

According to one hadith, a traditional story of the Prophet, Muhammad said a Muslim loses credit for one good deed each day he keeps a dog, and even said they should be killed unless used for hunting or protection.

Still, in another instance, Muhammad said that a prostitute who carried water in her slipper to a thirsty dog would go to heaven, her sins forgiven because of her kindness. The Muslim Council of Britain recently carried out a review of Islamic teaching on dogs, and supported their use for hunting or as guide dogs.



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  • Last Updated: 01 July 2008 11:38 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Jock MacSprog,

02/07/2008 00:10:45
we have gone totally insane. Lets just hand over the keys and all swear allegance to Allah. Dhimis one and all.
2

walter,

02/07/2008 00:12:13
Unbelievable absolutely unbelievable, I am lost for words, Pathetic totally and utterly pathetic.
3

Rosbrog,

Ireland 02/07/2008 00:18:48
Sentiment agreed, i was curious to read the fine print but it beggars belief if this has been the case. Its the authorities that sicken me in this case. Nothing better do be doing with their time!
4

ThomasP,

02/07/2008 00:20:06
"As part of a campaign to publicise its new non-emergency telephone number, Tayside Police used a picture of a black puppy, Rebel, on postcards to be distributed throughout the east coast region."

Get over it?

This is not an Islamic country and I highly doubt that an Idlamic country would consider putting the 'Westerners' a second thought in there own countries when they do what they do.
5

danbob,

02/07/2008 00:21:42
Ding, ding, next stop loopy land.
6

chippie lover,

dog pound 02/07/2008 00:51:07
All hail the narrow minded, ignorant intolerant minority who now dictate policy.
7

Ned,

Morningside 02/07/2008 01:00:01
This is not a good sign of the times. Surely appeasement is the key word here.

Why is this stupidity happening?

Pathetic, stupid, weak, weak, stupid, pathetic.
8

Tedz,

South of the border 02/07/2008 01:04:02
"would "not be welcomed" by some communities"...

I thought we'd finished with multi-culturalism as all it did was re-inforce separation; so the use of the word "communities" is divisive in itself. The story should just have said that Muslims wouldn't like the postcard, rather than add pc speak to the story.

No matter what, I still find it utterly amazing.
9

Grim Reaper,

02/07/2008 01:17:50
The next step will be that we will be banned from having dogs as pets because a minority find them offensive, that's when the doggydoo will really hit the fan because we Brits have always had a great love affair with our pups.
10

syntax,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 01:17:53
I think this country has lost the plot....puppy dog not okay but shariah law allows women to be killed, raped, stoned to death, beheaded and all the rest, but puppy dogs are a no-no?

When are we going to deport all these nutters to a country where all these things mean something.

If you don't like this country, its rules and culture then sod off to wherever. You are NOT welcome here.
11

Stuart W,

Dundee 02/07/2008 01:40:25
Seems that Mr Asif is out on a limb on this, if the report in today's Courier is anything to go by.

The report also reproduces the postcard in dispute:

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp

12

Canada,

Canada 02/07/2008 01:43:13
Has Scotland gone completely mad? Appeasement. Appeasement Appeasement. When in Rome do as the Romans do as I do in Canada. For God's sake get some element of common sense. You are standing for nothing, falling for anything. What happened to Scottish common sense?
13

2dogs in D.C.,

02/07/2008 01:54:32
So that would mean I'm doubly impure? 2 dogs you know.
14

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 02:12:02
11 . You have hit the nail on the head. Politicians are weak and feeble on this point because they know the PC brigade will finish their career if they speak out against it .... and that is a prime example of the tail wagging the dog and a good indicator of how eroded democracy is ....

It is lunacy, it is wrong and it is insulting to mainstream Britain than this noisy, sexist, racist, bigoted muslim minority get away with bullying us at every turn. Why should we pussyfoot about them pandering to their whim when they don't give a darn about us ?

Do you ever hear of the sikh, hindu, rastafarian, budhist, or christian community having such an influence on British politics ? Why is it that is it legal and acceptable for a muslim to slit an animals throat and let it bleed to death so they have their 'Halal' meat - whilst if a British farmer did the same to just one animal they would be jailed and if the ALF got hold of them even killed for doing such a thing --- it is brazen double standards at work and it is about time someone threw some water on the muslims fire and told them to get on with life here as Britons without any special dispensations or get out !


15

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 02:30:12
The Dundee cops were wrong to apologise.

A picture of a dog, or even the slavering beast itself, is not really offensive to most Muslims anyway - certainly not the grown-ups - as several people quoted in the story have confirmed. But even if it was, and the prophet (pbuh) had said that any Muslim who stroked a puppy was damned to eternal hellfire, the cops would have been wrong to apologise.

It's a puppy, for goodness' sake. Many of the Muslim shopkeepers who wouldn't put a picture in their window are probably selling bacon, cheap booze and dirty books in their shops. The picture of the wee doggie isn't going to push them any further into the fiery pit.

As I hope the diversity adviser would have told them if they'd asked.

The diversity adviser would probably have told them that by faffing about and trying not to cause offence over a picture of a puppy they have made themselves look silly, and they've made the Muslims in their community look stupid.

They've given the racist bampots such as those who infest comments columns like this one - see above - an excuse to spew more bile. See the one at #16 who is whining about "this noisy, sexist, racist, bigoted muslim minority get away with bullying us at every turn."

The cops who actually made the decision to apologise need to spend some time with real life Muslims so they have the confidence to not jump when some Toon Cooncillor says "boo".

Woof! Woof!
16

Teofilio Cubillas,

02/07/2008 02:33:53
"We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused."

Get off your knees you pathetic excuse for a police officer.
17

Murray Mac.,

E. Lothian 02/07/2008 02:47:46
#17: No, comments above are not made by racist bampots as you would like us to believe. This puppy incident is only one small part of a very much larger picture comprising many, many 'so-called' offensive incidents like this which when looked at in total should give us all a very loud wake-up call. What's next? Pigs? Well, there goes those offensive pork chops, ham and bacon! Oop, forgot the sausages.

18

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 03:05:48
You must be a very wee scaredy person, #19, to feel oppressed by a Dundee town councillor getting his interpretation of Muslim law wrong and by a nervous cop trying to do the right thing.

I personally believe that the twät-o-tron from spEak You’re bRanes (look it up) is being deployed on this website.

It's not politially correct to say so but kids today ae islamifyign Britain. Time to act: stand up and e counted. What do you think?!!!
19

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 03:13:08
Sad but true! its the ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians complaining again. the PC Nazis are giving way to multiculturalim. Somebody should introduce zero tolerance.

Oh look. I'm not being racist but hybrid embryos are banning nursery rhymes. It is vital that we introduce zero tolerance. PS If you are offended by this then leave the country!!!

Cna't you see that Nu-Labour is using my wheelie bin! The silent majority must riot in the streets. This is just the first o fmany FACTS that the woolly-left have been ignoring for many years now!!!

global warming, climate change, no such thing, its just another TAX.. the bbc pretends it's not true but This country is overflowing with illegal immigrants, even the local chippy is run by poles. They are giving way to multiculturalism because they are foreign and it's what they do. Simple answer: bring ack hanging. I am furious about this!??

This just shows us th eBBC'sr eal agena.. its the ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians complaining agin. islamofacists are always complaining. The silent majority must riot in the streets. Soon this country will be majority muslim with a mosk in ever yvillage!!!!?!

I read about this in the Daily Mail! I'm not being racist but chavs are turning prison into a holidacamp because Britain is now under sharia law. Simple answer: speak English. Is it a tune too familiar from our media?!!!


And so on.
20

Statsman,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 03:17:51
Muslims that want to stifle our freedom should move to a Muslim country and do what want.

They don't intermarry, they live in their own communities and now they tell us, the natives, how to live? Get lost!

Hindus are exactly the same race but they have integrated and cause no such problems. They earn the same as white people, they don't moan and get on with it. On the other hand, there is this evil Wahhabist religion we never asked for acting like a cancer on our society. Look, I don't care what colour or race you are, respect OUR culture and OUR laws or LEAVE.

I don't care if you are white, pink, brown, black or green. Respect it - or leave.
21

Statsman,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 03:26:55
21 Fifi la Bonbon

No. The British people are NOT giving in to multiculturalism. It is the NWO filth at Chatham House behind this anathema. They want you to believe we are like this. We are not. No survey you ever do would tell you that the UK is full of dumb PC idiots.

The RIIA must go. We are not going to back down. You know who you are.
22

W Smith,

Middle East 02/07/2008 04:06:02
What does Salmond say about this?

Where is he? Hiding again then, eh?

Where is Duck Man?

First if was the Pakistani christian family being deported as they are not as 'asian' as the SNP would like while our Alex the Braveheart says nothing and now this.

BTW
Will the Pakistani muslim shop owners stop selling fags and booze then?

What about the muslim owned Cash and Carry stores?

Still selling booze then even though it is considered 'harram' (forbidden)?
23

Beth Boyle,

NY 02/07/2008 04:19:36
Oh come on. I can't believe this. Muslims need to get used to the Scottish Culture or go back to the old country! This makes me sick to my stomach!
24

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02/07/2008 05:06:35
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25

Helene,

Ontario, Canada 02/07/2008 05:24:33
This could happen in other countries too. Don't be too hard on Scotland.
It is impossible to well versed in the tenets of all religions: the Muslim community is overreacting on this one.
26

Snuffy Ivy,

Somewhere else 02/07/2008 05:24:56
WHAT?????????????
We're having to compromise our culture to a bunch of foreigners?

If they don't like our culture, they can plant themselves somewhere else!
27

Kingston,

Singapore 02/07/2008 05:31:40
It seems that we are serving every culture but our own.

This type of political correctness will only create real tensions. It is naive in the extreme.

I think the decision makers should travel overseas to discover what the outside world is like. If you were to visit an Islamic country and tell them that part of their culture was offending yours, they would throw you in jail.

28

Jock's Away,

Africa 02/07/2008 05:32:05
Don't distribute the posters to the shop keepers, But a drive to check on tabacco and alcohol to minors is a good idea, or the display of materials categorized under the obscene publications legislation. May be the good Councillor will find just who and what is really an offence to the sensitive shopkeepers. Try loss of profit, or a visit from immigration officers. And every one will loved puppies.
29

Donart/NZ,

New Zealand 02/07/2008 05:35:24
Utterly ludicrous - Scotland is not a Muslim country. They should be pleased that they're living in a free country. Are they also offended by haggis and whisky?
Lets have a whip round to help them back to a Muslim country.
Oor Wullie and the Broons will have their flabber well and truly gasted
30

dba,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 05:53:33
OH COME ON... This is Political Correctness going nuts yet again...all Ethnic Communities have preferences and likes and dislikes... so do non-ethnic ones as well...but to object to a photogragh of a puppy - really does go too too far.

Such nonsensical complaining does the Ethnic Community absolutely NO GOOD WHATSOEVER...and, defacto, not only promotes ridicule and disagreement, proves how hypersenitive some people are. I have travelled throughout the world of Islam and seen many, many famillies owning dogs!


Had the councillor something reallyserious to complain about I would back him to the hilt - but this sort of thing really ys yet another case of crying 'WOLF' or, to be accurate PUPPY!
31

Michaela,

Canada 02/07/2008 05:55:50
Of course puppies are unclean. Don't they leave little heaps on the floor on your side of the bed, little puddles on the carpet. and what else can reduce one cushion to 45 little fluffy bits in 90 seconds. We love these little unclean mutts to bits and if anyone finds them offensive, tough. Puppies rule!
32

agatha,

02/07/2008 06:13:11
Perhaps this should be borne in mind when the councillor referred to is up for re-election?
33

steve 1511,

aberdeen 02/07/2008 06:20:31
do blind muslims find big golden labradors with wet noses offensive,and refuse to use them
34

Paraclete,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:22:25
This is going to far, the shopkeepers sell bacon which is a no-no for muslems also alchohol !!! they use the laws to suit themselves
35

john z,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:34:07
Clearly Muslim DO NOT want to become part of Scottish society.

The people at Tayside police should tell these religious nutters to mind their own ****** business. It is NOTHING to do with race OR culture. It is plain old religious stupidity.

What next, a law banning dogs from Scotland cause the religious nutters just don't like them. I don't like muslims, but I have to put up with them. Can't these nutters see how much they are alienating the people of Scotland.

Already in parts of the USA, muslim taxi drivers won't take you from the airport if you are carrying duty free alcohol, as apparently it is against their superstitious beliefs. How long before you can't get a taxi home on a saturday night, if you have been drinking, or a females skirt is too short. Best get your girlfriend to wear a burka.

This is a creeping process of Islamic totalitarianism that will not stop.

Dogs are liked in Scotland, if people don't like it because a magical man in the sky tells some religious dictators it's bad, then tough.

No wonder the BNP is doing so well.

This is Scotland, Fit in or F*** off.
36

john z,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:39:13
It is not an actual dog being sent out, it is a picture, I fail to see how a picture causes offence.

To Tayside police, please continue the campaign, we are not an Islamic state. Yet. Don't let these Islamo -fascists win.
37

john z,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:41:47
Number 21. this has got B@gger all to do with homosexuals, you dimwit.
38

Eckyboo,

02/07/2008 06:52:29
Pathetic, #11 I agree with you.
39

AVRENIM,

Montvalent 02/07/2008 07:13:37
How do Korean Muslims feel about this dogma?
40

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 02/07/2008 07:16:05
If M's aren't happy with Scotland, then why don't they go home?

If they find a dog offensive then how much more offensive do I find their attitude?
41

catgut,

pomona 02/07/2008 07:23:23
thank goodness i have a dog the religous police wont cart me off to quantanimo bay.
42

California Scot,

this side of Heaven 02/07/2008 07:27:25
pretty soon, the will demand that the school children be taught in their native language. then they will demand that the signs about town be in their native language. then they will begin to protest (even more) when their selfish demands are not met. they will multiply and be a blight on the country. they will overtax the medical and educational systems until they nearly break. they will sap the life out of entire neighborhoods, fly their homeland flags and in general demand that everyone in their new country become like them. not vice versa.

oh wait! that's California I am talking about......
43

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/07/2008 07:41:51
If the figure of 3000 given for the Muslim population of Dundee is correct and therefore a minority, is this not a case of the tail wagging the dog?

I suspect it's also a chance for a lowly politician to impress his mates with his testicular fortitude.
44

rural wifie,

Elgin 02/07/2008 07:41:55
I read in another paper recently that police dogs would not be used in searches of Muslim homes in the south of england because they would be culturally offensive. All these actions [and the reports of them ]do is harm relations between communities.
45

JayJay,

Right here 02/07/2008 07:49:11
This sounds very much to me like Councillor Asif playing to his local electorate, and demonstrating his strong Muslim credentials in advance of any possible election.
This actually wasn't a new one to me. I heard on the radio a couple of days ago that police sniffer dogs at airports were similarly unacceptable to Muslims!
Problem is, no-one bothers to ask the ordinary Scottish Muslim in the Overgate Centre. I bet he or she would think this was nonsense and, as ever, they are all damned by the reactionary PC bores who have set the agenda in the UK for the past 20 years.
This PC crowd must know their time is coming to an end. They speak for themselves, not the people they aim to protect. And I suspect every time a PC loony opens his yap, some black,asian,muslim, gay or whatever bloke shudders silently!
46

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 02/07/2008 07:58:00
Dogs are fierce animals. Use something more placid like a pig, or even a teddy bear.
47

Heather B,

Anstruther 02/07/2008 08:01:17
That councillor needs his head looked at - he's caused a whole load of needless trouble - what hey, it's Dundee city council - what changes! Wasn't Gorgeous george galloway one of them once?
48

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 08:04:23
Wonder what these ****** Muslims think about Guide Dogs for the Blind? Or Hearing Dogs for the Deaf?

Or the Andrex Puppy? Mind you, I understand that Muslims don't use Andrex or similar products so perhaps that wouldn't bother them.
49

Scotland to prosper...,

02/07/2008 08:07:37
Its not puppies you should be banning, its all religions..

and Dundee councillors who don't understand just what they do. By misinterpreting a religious guideline he has presented his community as a bunch of hard-line spiritual nuts. Thats great for bringing all cultures together....no really....well done that man..

Absolute tw*t
50

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 02/07/2008 08:07:50
This is tremendously unthoughtful stuff from Tayside Police.

I was recently in the middle east and when my host heard that I was Scottish he went to tremendous lengths to make me feel at home.

Within hours a crate of buckfast was flown in especially for me direct from Aziz's in Argyle St, it did take his wife several attempts to deep fry the mars bar properly, but the thought was there.

I taught them some songs from my childhood - he could't understand how the colour orange could be a dirty ba$tard though.


Later in the evening he offered me his virgin 13 year daughter for the night, I declined.

I felt as though I could have tried to blend in a bit more but my cultural baggage dictated otherwise.

I think we all need to think about what traditions and established views and beliefs that we hold dear that we can jettison to make our muslim friends feel more at home. They have travelled a long way and just because they actually live in Scotland does not diminsh the fact that they should be treated as revered guests.

The onus is on the host to make second generation guests feel comfortable

51

yockel,

02/07/2008 08:09:15
Seem to remember (circa 74) a certain restaurant in Lothian Road being shut down for selling canine curry. What has Mr Asif got to say about that?
52

Scotland to prosper...,

02/07/2008 08:09:26
Does this mean Snoopy is now in danger??
53

mr angry,

ayrshire 02/07/2008 08:12:01
This country is really going to the dogs, no pun intended. Time our authorities got a backbone and realised we do not want this type of appeasement , we are not here to pander to the whims of nutcases from other countries, if they do not like our culture they should go back to where they came from. You do not see this weak lily livered crawling to our culture in the craphole countries these idiots have fled from.
54

Anglofile,

02/07/2008 08:36:06
Shame on the Police, could they not have painted the puppy white in order to appease our muslim co-habitees.

Don't think so, 'cos the RSPCA wouldn't have been happy.

A better idea would have been to cover the puppy in a burka.................then no-one would have known what colour it was....................still, the muslims would have thought the police were extracting the urine then, so no matter what us whites do we are gradually becoming prisoners in our own country.

Does anybody else sometimes get the feeling that the UK has been kidnapped?
55

Alastair the First,

02/07/2008 08:36:15
As far as I can see there is absolutely nothing to apologise for. If people are offended by a picture of a dog, tough - but it's their problem and theirs alone.

Right up there with ridiculousness with that decision to pay homosexual soldiers travelling expenses to attend gay pride parades - at our expense. Maybe time we started having heterosexual pride marches...
56

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

02/07/2008 08:36:25
I think this has probably been blown out of proportion...sure dogs are seen as being unclean (they can be cleaner than us humans)in the muslim religion..and perhaps a few folk objected but more than likely most dont give a stuff....

Tis not just money, tis religion also that is the root of all evil....

Anyroad if the article were true then the Police Service should answer to their stupidity...dogs you see, are a huge part of traditional British culture...up there with fish and chips and the Queen...and Christmas...

Oh and by the way for those of you banging on about "Go home"...I'd just like to point out...muslims have lived in Britain peacefully way before 9/11...anyone remember any of this anger being voiced before that?...to this extent?....no me neither..
57

Alastair the First,

02/07/2008 08:37:16
PS I fond it quite amusing that at the bottom of this page is an advert "Dogs & Puppies for sale". Really, Scotsman, how can you allow porn like that on your website?
58

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 02/07/2008 08:37:45
What you should all be worrying about is not what Muslims think of dogs, but what they think about you! To a devout muslim - a non-believer is lower than a dog. A person who drinks alcohol is lower than a dog. An unmarried woman who goes out unaccompanied by a male family member is little better than a prostitute; a woman who does not cover her entire body, arms, hair and face - is considered beyond the pale. What society would ever invite such a backward, fascist,murderous medieval 'culture' to set up a power base within its own walls. Welcome to the fifth column. They are out-breeding you and they intend to replace you. And Alex has just signed the papers allowing them to have their own 'fath schools' where young minds can be steeped in this evil religion.
59

Fifi la Bonbon,

You Could Not Make It Up. 02/07/2008 08:39:55
More from the twät-o-tron from spEak You’re bRanes.

lies damn lies and stistics all right-thinking people know that namby pamby environmentalists are preaching hate because our country is full already we must elect kilroy now. Its simple!i ts the ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians complaining again. envir-marxist do-goders are turning prison into a holidaycamp because they want to turn Britian into an islamic state.. Wake up people! put them in solitray for the next 100 years. We are all being had here!!! Aw diddums, I'm not being racist but communists are preachnig ahte, The only solution is to elect Boris Johnson as prime minister,Y ou heard it here first!!!!!in my opinion illegals are getting away with murder because they have given away our sovriegnty... The silent majority must bring back national service... Next we'll have pedofiles teaching our kids to swim!?! It's sad but true! everyone knows the human rights brigade are giving way to mutliculturalsm. A wise mano nce said put them in solitary for the next 100 yeasr. Question. its not politically correct to say so but the human rights brigade are using history to criticise the pope because they are pandering to foreign interests. Every British working man must Send them all back were they came from. I read that black people are peddling their lies! Every British working man must leave the country.. Shame on you .... I have been realising ovr the past few years that Guardian readers are allowing us to be swamped... Mark my words get rid of them... That would certainly cause a bit more care to be taken! The media wont admit that the human rights brigade are islamifying the countryside, when will this government bring back the cane, Cry ‘God fr Harry, England, and Saint George’!?? Sad but true! I read in the Sun that soft-touch Britain is getting freebies because they want to destroy the world. Nin ewords: get out of the eu and get our country bakc!!. I am very angry about this!. its not politically correct
60

Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 08:43:25
Do Muslims have sex dogggie style?
Is dogggie style sex to Muslims impure?
Are Muslims all born by Immaculate Contraption?
Where do police sniffer dogs sniff on Muslim women?
61

Massive,

Not so great Britain 02/07/2008 08:44:57
Sorry folks, I must be having a senior moment, because the last itme I looked, this was a Christian counrty, not a Muslim one. I would like to remain in a Christian country and those who want to live in a Muslim one should move there.
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MikeyG,

Newcastle 02/07/2008 08:55:02
COME ON COUNCILLOR, GET REAL!!! This is NOT what you were elected for...Oh my Lord !!! What ever next (ooops, bet I get sued for writing "oh my Lord"........I thought councillors were elected to act for the people, is the the people talking? Do we get everything sorted if we disagree in his homeland..no, 'cos we DON'T EVEN BOTHER beinbg so sad..you wonder why people haven't any patinece with your like? What's the old saying? "When in Rome..."...and anyway, I've got black (am I allowed to write this?) GSDs...he'll be wanting me to paint them gray before I visit Dundee lol!!!!! Total bampot...
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MikeyG,

Newcastle 02/07/2008 08:58:21
He's Labour!!! I Googled him...I'm changing my vote now...and going to e-mail him to tell him to join the real world......
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bobwmac,

New Mexico/Stirlingshire 02/07/2008 09:02:58
I checked the calendar to make sure this really is the 21st Century. Allah was invented by Muhammed about 1300 years ago, and it's time these people had a reality check. Religions are a system of control, nothing more, nothing less; the Islamic system has been fine tuned to repress independent thought and like any dictatorship, the aim is to perpetuate the incestuous regime.

There is no place in Scotland, nor anywhere on this small insignificant planet, for such repressive irrationality. When faith replaces reason, the participants are not "culturally diverse" or any other such euphemism: they are dangerous.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 09:06:08
I can't believe where this country is headed.. I read that the disrespectful youth of today is turning Britain into Britainistan. Come on bring back Hitler. These are worrying timse!!! open your eyes people the scottish are building mosks on every corner soon we will elect kliroy now wha tabout my right not to be murdered I read about this in the Daily Mail. can't you see that hybrid embryos are selling us out because they want to turn Britain into an islamic state.. when will this government ban them all. Next stop HELL ON EARTH!!! first things first. can't you see that the estalbishment is promoting homosexualism. a wise man once said bring back hitler. this is great britain... lets show it...!!!Oh look. lal right-thinking people know that so-called celebriites are giving preference to asylum seekers. Isnt it obvious? put them in a rocket and fir ethem in to the sun. what's it going to be - only you can choose!! it s sad but true did you know that council estate scum are peddling their lies because they are trying to cover up their mistakes the only solution is to speak english it s political correctness gone mad I have been realising over the past few years that the PC Nazis are tking our country away rfom us because they are barely human!.. The silent majority must close the borders now... What about my right not to be killed every day?!!!
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MikeyG,

Newcastle 02/07/2008 09:07:22
re 47#...maybe these people shouldn't get up to anything that gets them suspected of anything to have their homes searched in the first place...can't have it all ways..
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Here Today HBOS Tomorrow,

02/07/2008 09:19:28
Osama Saeed seems to be the only sensible Muslim! This issue should not even be addressed by the council. Until such times as Saudi Arabia and others respect non-Muslims and non-believers then we should not be forced to even consider any Muslim sensibilities.
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dick thornton,

sotogrande 02/07/2008 09:22:36
What about the rescue dogs that we send to rescue survivors in Earthquake disasters? Are buried Muslims offended by this, or does the injunction only apply to Muslims on the surface?
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Steve_HMFC,

02/07/2008 09:30:17
Is it April Fools Day or is this story for real?

Im sure not every single Muslim actually follows the very fine print of the Qur'an

Even if they did, they might agree not to have Dogs as pets but being offended by a picture of a dog. thats going too far

I like most catholics arent a fan of the devil, but wouldnt start crying if I saw a picture of him lol

Its stories like this that give the british nazis and others ammunition.. I might pop over to the Daily Mail website and see if they're carrying this story.. you can imagine the headline
"Immigrants/Refugees/Eurocrats/Terrorists(delete as appropriate) want to kill your puppies!"
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boxthejack,

Aberdeenshire 02/07/2008 09:31:09
Yes, Mr Asif seems to be over reacting. Yes, we're right to tut and roll our eyes.

But we should be heartened by the short shrift Mr Asif has been given by Osama Saeed, and we should not turn Mr Asif into the spokesperson for Muslim Britain just to give us an excuse to vent against Muslims.

We are particularly afraid of Islam because of a perceived threat to Britishness, meanwhile we lie down and surrender when the government removes the very liberties that make us British.
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 09:36:49
Im afraid when it comes down to it despite Dundee, Perth etc being large centres of pouplation, the attitude here can be that of a small parochial village. Tayside Police simply do not have a clue how to deal with certain 'minorities' so they make it up as they go along. And get it wrong.
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sc_uk,

02/07/2008 09:40:15
From The Courier:

One concerned resident said, “The story mentioned that Muslim-owned shops and convenience stores were rejecting the card due to the fact that it had a picture of a puppy on it and that Muslims found this offensive as they deem dogs to be ‘unclean.’

“Surely these cannot be the same Muslim-owned shops which have dog food cans and packets on the shelves and bacon and pork sausages in the chill cabinet with the pictures of happy pups and contented porkers beaming from the packaging?”

QUITE RIGHT!
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Capital Boy,

02/07/2008 09:44:37
and the minority are getting everything their own way why ?.....someone please remind me !
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Logie Almond,

02/07/2008 09:52:09
The phrase "cuckoo in the nest" comes to mind.
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 09:59:06
The Courier and the Press and Journal both run this story today however the 'Pand J' are one day behind simply rehashing the press release of two days ago. However the headline on todays Courier Front page says: OFFENSIVE POSTCARD PUP CLAIM DISMISSED..

(By one of Dundee's leading Muslims..)
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 10:03:06
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp
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Farmernot,

02/07/2008 10:13:11
#64 I agree......#75 spot on.......this country has gone to the dogs !!!!!
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oder,

Scotland 02/07/2008 10:16:08
I have to say that I have reached the stage were I prefer dogs to Muslims,the west goes out of its way to welcome, intergate,and in some cases gives preferential treatment to these people! everything in our society offends them dogs,teddy bears,film producers, newsppapers,writers...etc..etc

"Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with them."

Wrong! anything not Islamic is see as impure/unclean!

How many Christian councilors in Dubai?
How many Jews in the councils ion Saudi?

Mr Asif and your fellow Muslims respect our traditions/culture and if you cant, then leave for a place that will allow Muslims to dominate all others!
It is your faith that preaches dhimmi`s may live as long as he pays the special tax and acknowledges the superiority of Islam.

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McWeed,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:17:31
So some sky fairy believers find dogs offensive.

I find it offensive that Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 or 7 years old and she lived with him from aged 9 yet the Koran is still sold in Scotland.
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Chris,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:19:59
It strikes me that this is purely about a councillor trying to make himself look important - at the expense of both Dundee Muslims and taxpayers. Some Muslim shops quite happily sell alcohol (not all), pork products and dogfood (most). Whether they feel offended or not, I do not know. Did the Tayside police diversity officer go and speak to shopkeepers before coming to his (expensive) decision? I doubt it, so now we have two people trying to look important - at taxpayers' expense. Incredible.
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Kansas Campbell,

USA 02/07/2008 10:20:11
My parents are Scottish and I have been saving to visit a brother in law and see the country for quite some time. All of the new wind farms have been a deterrent and now with the Scotland becoming a Muslim nation I think I'll just put on a beanie cap, watch Lawrence of Arabia and spend my money on a few tankfuls of mid-east gasoline.
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Guga II,

Rockall 02/07/2008 10:21:30
When in Rome, do as the Romans. If they don't like it, the solution is in their own hands, or feet.

I somehow can't see the likes of Saudi Arabia changing its rules to suit any non-Moslems. When I am in their country, I have to go along with their rules, whether I agree with them or not.

As for apologising to anyone for doing what is considered normal, legal and acceptable in this country, that is a joke.
83

G,

Bridgefoot 02/07/2008 10:27:20
"Unbelievable absolutely unbelievable, I am lost for words, Pathetic totally and utterly pathetic." I agree. This is a non-story
One muslim councillor has complained about this! There is no plan to isue another postcard or withdraw this one!
No one else is bothered apart from the IMNOs on this MB! Utterly, utterly pathetic....
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 10:30:03
If these Muslim fanatics can't even bear to see a picture of a puppy dog (let alone their own women who they force to cover up with scarves and burkhas) then they are free to go and enjoy life in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. But somehow they seem to enjoy our soft-touch country instead.

The police should not apologise and tell any Muslims who are offended to grow up. I am offended by the Muslims taking offence at puppy dogs - will they apologise to me for causing me offence???
85

winzip12,

Klein Meckelsen, Germany 02/07/2008 10:38:40
where can I get a job as a diversity officer? They never seem to be advertised.....
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 10:45:33
#90 Don't give these religious nutters any more ideas or they will be asking supermarkets to cover over the shellfish and bacon with tarpaulins next.
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Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 02/07/2008 10:50:24
Two words: AFGAN HOUND
If they don't like dogs, why has a largely islamic country got one named after them?

Poppies. Used in the production of illicit drugs, which I imagine would be forbidden to use, yet the same islamic country produces the worlds largest crop. Kinda hippocritical don't you think?

I'll tell you what I think: that some of these guys play their 'religion card' (in the same way that gay people play their card and so on) to get what they want. If there was no advantage to it - they wouldn't give two hoots about not conforming to their religion. In this instance Mohammed Asif has tried, and suceeded, in undermining the Police force and possibly even showing them to be racist. In the instances of shopkeepers selling alcohol etc. They want to make money so their religon falls to the wayside. The poppy growers: they want to make money so religon falls to the wayside.

How long?
Not long, cause what you reap is what you sow.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:50:41
what next?no wonder there is large exodus from this country!
it is as well that the men and women who gave up their lives in defence of this country in the last war are not around to see what is happening now
this x-certificate government are the most evil pile of plonkers in British history
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 10:51:14
From the Comments here, Kr@p like this simply seems to drive a wedge even further between Moslems and the rest.
'Diversity Officer' should be designated 'Conflict/hatred Promotion Officer'
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 10:55:08
Maybe there is a money spinning idea in all this: full body burkhas for dogs so that people out walking them won't offend any passing Muslims...
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Paris Loyal,

Paris 02/07/2008 11:00:41
No Ismlamic Country bans dogs.
The three most pious Islamic States (ok it is an example)
Pakistan has a Kennel Club
Afghanistan has an ancient and modern love of the hunting dog
Saudi Arabia has rules and regulations for the import of dogs and cats and innoculations required for both albeit Gurad Dogs (my wee highland terrier) and Hunting dogs (my wee highland terriers girl friend).

This story is laughable because Muslims are not offended by dogs although they might not clap them. This from having travelled in dozens of predominately muslim countries.

Away with ye Mr. Mr Asif!
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/07/2008 11:01:25
Councillor Asif is gettin' dug's abuse the day...
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 02/07/2008 11:07:58
Just do a picture of a muslim stoning to death a woman or even a terrorist blowing up people on a London Bus.....some part of the"community "would love this.
For God's sake just tell them to go to hell and stop cat footing around ( sorry for mentioning a feline there)
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 02/07/2008 11:11:29
Well I guess the diversity officer would be appalled at my little puppy Mohammed Ali.

I hate to say this but at least the Torries will not be kneeling down like the Dhimmi Labour party to the labour voting muslim community.

I know this is a stupid story but enough is enough.

Cuckoo in the nest indeed.
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 02/07/2008 11:12:40
I would imagine most Muslims in the Dundee/Tayside area are thinking..'eh?!...what dog?..postcard?....'

interesting how the looneys come out of the woodwork in our well balanced Christian society (apparently) when ever we get stories like this. Cant beat an excuse for mouthing your own hatred and bigotry.

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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 11:14:07
Why don't the police change the advert from a dog to a teddy bear and call it's name Mohammed?
The tail is wagging the dog.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 02/07/2008 11:14:56
#97 Paris Loyal

My dad had a big black german shepherd and his Pakistani neighbours would not come into the house until the dog was locked in back garden.

Do not know if they were scared of contact or just big scary dog but no one in their whole family liked that dog. Maybe isolated incident.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 11:16:07
#100 Better watch it! I would assume that calling your dog Mohammed or Allah is now a race hate crime and the boys in blue may soon come and pay you a visit.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 11:19:09
I have uncovered a subversive plan by evangelical Christians.
They plan to send Christian missionaries to infiltrate Muslim Britain to convert Muslim Britain to become a Christian country.
This will be done in secret so no-one will know who the Christians are!
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 11:25:27
I had a Pakistani living next door to me. Nice chap. Didn’t like my dog.
He knocked my door one night and said to me “I’m a better man than you.”
I asked why.
He said “I don’t have a Pakistani living next door to me.”
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Paris Loyal,

Paris 02/07/2008 11:27:07
Jock, They may indeed have not wanted contact with the dog because a lot of Muslims look at them as unclean in a way that is not as bad as a Pig for example. However it is a big stride from that to actively being offended by seeing a dog!

They were probably scared of the dog too I would be!
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Stan1,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 11:28:39
Are we going crazy? This is utterly ridiculous. I am becoming increasingly fed up with stories like this. Does the Muslim community make any changes to thier way of life / to thier beliefs because non-muslims might find it offensive - one word - NO!. Never have I heard such nonsense. Send the post cards out..
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 11:33:23
Tommy Sherridan has just announced that he will stand against Mohammed Asif at the next council election - and that he will be standing to represent the Respect Party.


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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 02/07/2008 11:35:39
#108 - stan1

your are confusing the 'Muslim community' with what is probaly a tiny handful of people that the councillor hasn't told to s*d off as they are being petty. As I mentioned earlier, the 'muslim community' are probably wondering what is going on as much as people here. The vast majority of Muslims do what you or I do - live quietly and get on with their lives, raising kids, working hard.



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stargazer,

02/07/2008 11:44:42
This article is definitely a case of irresponsible reporting. WHY is ONE COUNCILLOR being reffered to as 'Muslims' plural? If a white councillor speaks out on something they disagree with, they would never be accused of speaking on behalf of all the white people in their ward, would they? I realise that the councillor has said that the postcard could be offensive to Muslims (again plural), but it's not as if multiple Muslims have come forward to voice this concern. The Courier article(www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp) has a much more balanced account of the events, and I would sincerely recommend that everyone planning to run to the hills from the Muslim invasion that you seem to think is so immintent should read that before spouting off with all your ignorant drivel.
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DLJ,

02/07/2008 11:45:22
Absolutely crazy - if anyone should be apologising its the councillor who has just handed the BNP an excellent piece of propaganda.
107

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

02/07/2008 11:49:08
68...."Right not to be killed every day?".....just how many lives do you have mate?....you a cat?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 11:50:42
#111

Sorry to contradict you but if you read the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030798/Muslim-outrage-police-advert-featuring-cute-puppy-sitting-policemans-hat.html you will see that the "Muslim community is in uproar" with shops refusing to display the postcard.
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Media 1,

Cape Town 02/07/2008 11:52:31
People get mad because of our governments overwheening respect for the Muslim community at the expense of our own traditions and customs. But in effect it this respect for other communitites that has assisted western societies in advancing so far ahead of their muslim counterparts.
The same respect toward Western values is NOT practiced in Muslim nations because they are still primitive in their outlook, thus unable to embrace freedom of speech and acceptance of other customs.
There is nothing wrong with trying to respect an other communities customs as long as we keep an eye out to ensure it does not interfere with our own customs and traditions.
Let us remember that the west cannot pick the Muslim world up to its standard, but the muslim world can certainly drag the West down to their standards if permitted.
In order to see which of the two systems is working you need to calculate the amount of Muslims living in the West by comparison the amount of westerners living in the muslim world.
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stargazer,

02/07/2008 11:52:36
DAILY MAIL?! Don't make me laugh! If you believe what you read in that rag then there is definitely no hope for you.
111

Why can't I use my usual name?,

02/07/2008 11:53:34
Good to see the usual Islam-o-phobes not letting the facts (even as spun by The Hootsmon) get in the way of their bile
112

sickpuppy,

embra 02/07/2008 11:54:38
ffs how pathetic is this country
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 02/07/2008 11:56:17
#114 - read the article and show where it quantifies the 'uproar'. Apparently, someone called to make a complaint. How many? - there are 3,000 muslims in Dundee (apparently)...so, 3,000? 2,000? 100? 10? 1? where exactly is the 'uproar'? pathetic reporting.



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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 02/07/2008 12:09:18
We are not a muslim country so if these people insist on leaving their country of origin and living here, it is high time that they accepted our way of life and our standards. WE HAPPEN TO LIKE DOGS.
If they find this unacceptable, they can go back to from whence they originate.
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Daisychain,

02/07/2008 12:10:48
#21
Fifi, I'm a bit lost on your point... is are you saying it's a homosexual muslim who complained about the wee puppy???
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 02/07/2008 12:10:58
#120 - gee, that must have taken a lot of thinking about before you started writing.
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 02/07/2008 12:14:20
#121 - I think Fifi is writing tongue in cheek with a nod towards the real crazies on here (I think thats it, I could be wrong...maybe he's crazy too!!!)
118

stargazer,

02/07/2008 12:16:08
#121 - I think (hope) #21 is a joke...
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winzip12,

Germany 02/07/2008 12:16:15
Maybe we should rename 'dogg***' 'musliming'.

and have muslims never dogged school?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 12:17:26
#116 If you are saying that reading the Daily Mail makes someone stuipid then its readers are likely to find that highly offensive and perhaps they should report you to the Tayside police "community diversity officer"!
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stargazer,

02/07/2008 12:22:22
#126 It's not the READING of the Daily Mail that makes someone stupid, it's the BELIEVING of the tripe it contains that does it...
122

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02/07/2008 12:35:53
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Eric Muldownie,

London 02/07/2008 12:36:51
islam is an affront to democracy kick it and all intolerant muslims out.
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JT,

02/07/2008 12:40:21
Why is this worth an apology?? I guess this person and persons with this view wont need to call the police ever? Somehow I think not. Its a cute puppy that is going to be an effective member of the police force which serves all people. Bring back common sense please before we turn into a dictatorship. Im offended that certain muslims are constantly offended at our way of life. Simple you want to live under your laws and traditions move to a muslim country.
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G,

dundee 02/07/2008 12:41:36
You know, this story could just be a ruse to get all the protoracists or IMNOs on this MB to show their colours....if it was, it has been very successful.#It does not take much to raise their hackles...
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Leithen Laddie,

Borders 02/07/2008 12:45:31
What a nonsense - if shopkeepers dont like the cards dont put them up. If the dogs are offensive why come and live in society that treats dogs better than its children. Where will the madness of this political correctness end. Why not just give control to Islam now because that is where we are heading. Come on national church condemn this dogma and read your Bible and make a stand for Christ.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 12:47:16
#131 Not sure what a "protoracist" is but again, for the record, you can't actually be called a racist for disagreeing or even disliking Muslims. They are not a race, merely followers of a faith.
128

I still don't believe it !,

02/07/2008 12:59:33
Worst thing of all is the spineless capitulation by tayside Police.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 12:59:52
How come we never get any Muslims posting here? It wouuld be nice to get their POV instead of the usual anti-muslim brigade.

If'n you don't like living in a country with multicultural, multilingual, multireligious leanings then go somewhere where they live like that -

perhaps Israel?
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 13:01:20
Cos they don't like Muslims there either . . .
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IainA,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:04:23
Interesting how many posters on this forum are using the paranoid, overly PC reaction of the police and the grandstanding of a local councillor to make the leap to assuming that the muslim community in Scotland are frothing at the mouth al qaeda supporters who want to impose sharia law on everyone and set up death camps for dogs.

Given some of the postings here, it reads more like we are ones who are looking to deport all foreigners, "cos' they ain't like us are they?"

Either that, or someone has improved the tw*t-o-tron's spelling.
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:05:19
thats it i'm taking my dog to the nearest mosk whilst eating a bacon sandwich and drinking beer, its a free country ffs unlike most muslim countries
133

Don't run greetin to me when you break a leg!,

Falkirk 02/07/2008 13:07:20
It's a PICTURE of a dog. Not a dog.

The Baloon in Tayside Police diversity dept who made the decision to apologise needs disciplined for bringing the force into disrepute.

You have made a laughing stock of Tayside Police and it is YOUR attempts to tip toe around a loony local politician that have caused offence to muslims all over Scotland by yet again throwing them into the limelight and causing normal, everyday folks, muslims included, to get upset and angry over STUPID, ill informed decision making by individuals cleary promoted well past their ability.

JUST READ THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS SITE AND DO AN IMPACT ASSESSMENT ON THAT!

You are a disgrace to the force and the Police service as a whole.


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IainA,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:08:29
#138 Bigwull

It is indeed, that's why you are free to take your dog to church while eating a bacon sarnie and drinking beer. And no churchgoer will even look at you askance.

Ain't that grand?
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Pocket Dictionary,

02/07/2008 13:11:03
I was sent on compulsory diversity training by my employer. The trainer said the December / New Year public holidays were discriminatory against non-Christian religions and should be removed. This is to ensure all religions are treated equally in December/January.

PC gone mad - the lunatics are running the asylum.
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:13:36
If the police want to put a puppy on a card that's their business. To make an issue out of it is just plain silly.

Osama Saeed said: "This seems to be a complaint based on culture rather than religion. There isn't any Islamic basis for taking issue with a simple picture of a little puppy."

I think he has it right. This is a daft complaint designed to cause offence and it whether it is designed to do so or not it deliberately gives racist loons an opportunity to express their vile viewpoint.

Whoever made this complaint should be ashamed of themselves. I don't believe in God but if he exists it seems unlikely that he hates puppies!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 13:14:13
Name me a Muslim country which is not 'free'! Where they don't have free elections (Zimbabwe - oh sorry, Christian), where they intern you indefinitely because you're "suspected" of being a danger(USA / Britain - oh sorry, Christian), where you aren't free to show your religious leanings with symbolic jewelry etc (UK, France etc - oh sorry, Christian)!

We all say this is a Free Country, B0ll0cks!
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Donald, Edinburgh,

02/07/2008 13:22:10
Isn't it shocking, all these Muslims over-reacting? Their angry outrage, their unthinking shouting, their primitive hatred. When will they learn that in this country, people are tolerant, intelligent, grown-ups who keep things in context and act rationally. The comments on this thread are a fine example of the intelligent, balanced Scottish psyche, its egalitarianism and its rationality.

Makes one proud to be Scottish.

And yes, i am being utterly sarcastic.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 13:24:44
144

Donald - No, Really? We would Never have guessed! Lol

Right on, man!
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Donald, Edinburgh,

02/07/2008 13:26:16
Oh and by the way, #141 'pocket dictionary', why don't you provide details of this training course - where and when and who?

The reason i ask is because i think you're lying.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 13:26:55
#144 Keep taking the tablets; defending fanatical puppy haters that stone women can't be an easy job.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:27:31
I'm sick to death of such idiocy. I'd like to send one of these postcards to every household in Tayside. If it offends people, that's their problem. Their views are so daft they don't deserve respect or consideration, only ridicule.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 13:27:45
And you get all these people in towns and cities across the UK screaming at us on a Saturday afternoon, telling us we're all bad people, that we're eternally damned and that there is No God but God.

Not a Muslim among them!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 13:31:24
And I also bet that the majority of anti-Muslim idiots ranting on this site call themselves Christians.

What about turning the other cheek?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 13:34:29
I've just taken a look at the PDSA, SSPCA and RSPCA websites and they all have cute pictures of dogs and puppies. Other "criminals" against Islam include people displaying "lost dog" posters on lamp posts and those shocking TV adverts showing abused puppies looking for a home. All of this anti-Muslim bile should be banned and the perpetrators sent to re-education camps (sorry "ethnic diversity courses").

Oh yes, I am talking tongue-in-cheek.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:37:51
#151, don't put ideas into their head. A few years ago, all the idiocy about puppies on postcards and naming teddy bears would have seemed so utterly far-fetched as to be tongue-in-cheek, and just look what's happened!
147

Bigwull,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 13:43:43
143 Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran for starters
148

PRR,

Pennsylvania 02/07/2008 13:53:35
Not surprised at all. In this country we went from the melting pot to diversity. We went from a country that different cultures blended and made what is called an America.

Today immigrants, legal and illegal are coming here and demanding the same rights and benefits as the citizens. If our culture has something they don't like then we must change and appease them.

Where I live most people have dogs and if any muslem would be insulted here, though get over it. If you demand for us to get rid of the dog, we have an answer to that too but it would be very injurous to their health.

Diversity and PC has caused a lot to give up their rights under our constitution and the seeds of rebellon are planted. Not a violant rebellon but the need to replace our represenatives and judges.

The muslims came to Scotland, why? If to be citizens then they should accept the Scottish culture. If they won't then to me it is for other reasons, like here. To conquer from with-in and our system of justice and week kneed politicans will demand that we let them do it.
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Vivian,

USA 02/07/2008 13:55:05
The British like to think that they're worlds apart from the US, but your problems are just like ours! We've been having our share of problems with the Muslims for a long time now, they also try to convert US to THEIR way of living. They migrate to free countries so they don't fear losing their heads and then want us to live their laws. The women want to take drivers license pictures wearing their burkas so all that can be seen is their eyeballs!

It would be better for all considered if they could find a place to call their own and live their lives without upsetting other people's . God help the muslim that would ever harm a hair on the head of MY beautiful Irish Setter because they thought he was offensive.

Vivian

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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 13:56:55
#128 Infidel - you omitted 'The Universe' (because God created it!).
Although you did say 'everything' so you coud argue by default that it was therefore covered.
Would that rationale offend the physicists?
If it does offend the physicists perhaps Tayside politically correct thought police cound investigate the matter.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 13:58:49
#155 Vivian USA
"It would be better for all considered if they [the Muslims] could find a place to call their own"

They have - it's Britain!
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Vivian,

USA 02/07/2008 14:00:36
#157

LOL! The US, too!!!
153

Allan(handofgod137),

02/07/2008 14:02:19
"not be welcomed" by some communities"

This phrase also describes muslims.
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dundee8cologne1,

dundonia 02/07/2008 14:11:41
#155 - they migrate so they dont lose their heads? erm, the vast majority of people of any religion migrate usually for work reasons, new job etc etc your comment is bo**ocks frankly. As for your 'if a Muslim harmed my dog..' dear oh dear. Get a life.
155

radge dug,

02/07/2008 14:12:40
All religions are the same. British Catholics, Orangemen, Wee Frees, Anglicans are always complaining about something. If these freaks are offened then stuff them and their supersticions.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 14:16:47
#161, I agree. In that respect, all religions are the same. So why aren't we allowed to criticise or ridicule Islam in the way that we're allowed to criticise or ridicule other religions?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 14:18:18
May ask for suggestions for new words to the song "How much is that doggy in the window?" in the context of some fanatical Muslim's views of dogs as "unclean".

I'll kick off with:

How much is that doggy in the window?
I do hope that icon of hate is for sale.

How much is that doggy in the window?
It's unclean and just the sight of it makes me wail.

How much is that doggy in the window?
I want to buy it so that I can chop off its tail.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 14:29:12
153

How do you make that out?

It can be seen that the countries you mentioned are no better or worse than other countries:

Pakistan - Free Elections
Saudi - Monarchy
Iran - Elections for Government only
USA - Free Elections
China - 'Free' Elections

Pakistan - Women can Vote 1947
Saudi - For the 1st time in 2005 MEN were allowed to vote
Iran - Women can Vote. Women serve in Government positions. 1979
USA - Only since 1965 can EVERYBODY Vote - Blacks, Hispanics etc
China - Everyone can Vote

Pakistan - Death Row @ 1700 in 2008 - Executions in 2007 = 135+
Saudi - Death Row @ N/A - Executions in 2007 = 143+
Iran - Death Row @ N/A - Executions in 2007 = 317+
USA - Death Row @ 3200+ - Executions in 2007 = 42
China - Death Row @ N/A - Executions in 2007 = 470+
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TrollJester,

Dundee 02/07/2008 14:37:58
The only offence committed in this debacle, and it's the only one not mentioned so far is the one by Tayside Police switching their non-emegency number from a standard land-line number to an 0845 number. 0845 may be non-geographical and therefore cost the same as a local call from another land-line - but they are expensive to call from a mobile.
As for Mohammed Asif and the apologist Tayside Police spokesperson they are absolutely ignorant numpties and this puppy issue just doesn't deserve the oxygen of publicity it's had - it's a non-event -just look at the comments reported from the muslim community!
160

James J. Engel,

Milwaukee, U.S.A. 02/07/2008 14:48:03
Where is John Smeaton when you need him? I think of 'boot' to ther head of Mohammed Asil in order.
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Deiran,

London 02/07/2008 14:54:44
I suspect that incidents like this are deliberately staged by the police and others just to bring sensible attempts to show respects to minorities into disrepute.

Though I must admit to liking the idea of replacing the dog with a teddy bear called Mohamed :-)
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 14:55:35
166

WooHoo! Yet another Violent US reaction to the Muslims.

Haven't you guys figured it out yet?

Violence DOESN'T work, muppet!
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 14:57:36
#168, if only every Muslim agreed with you!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 14:59:54
169

I don't see Muslims invading OUR country with Bombers, Tanks and Soldiers . . .
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Mike555,

02/07/2008 15:00:23
I just wish we could get our country back from these politically incorrect Loonies. What a load of tosh this issue is and its just about as bad as the p00fy chief constable who flies a rainbow flag at his police headquarters while crime rates are ever increasing.
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Brian the Barbarian.,

dundee 02/07/2008 15:02:10

They should change the puppy to a piglet eating a copy of the koran whilst screwing a teddy bear called mohammed.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 15:03:23
#170, no, because we're careful not to show them cartoons, or pictures of dogs.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 15:04:36
#170 You don't see them because, unlike cowardly Muslim terrorists, our army proudly puts on a uniform and goes and fights up front and fair. The best the terrorists can do is hide bombs in rucksacks and kill innocent me, women and children on buses and underground trains.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:06:32
172

Barbarian - Don't post here again please, your intellectualism is too much for us mere mortals to bear.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 15:10:47
#175, he doesn't need to post again because he's said it all. He's summed up in a short posting why many people are sick to death of having these stupid, senseless rules and prohibitions rammed down their throats.
171

Geomac 1,

Scotland 02/07/2008 15:17:06
I thought that Muslims wanted to integrate - funny, not to mention perverse, way to do it
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:17:39
174

Mikko - Right. We just impose sanctions that cause the death of some 227000 children in Iraq. We bomb the fack out of the ENTIRE utility system, Electric, Water, Sewage etc. We imprison and Torture people because they MIGHT be Terrorists. We allow a supposedly 'civilised' USA to by-pass the Geneva Convention etc becauase we're SOOOOOO much better than Al Qaeda (According to CIA sources Al Qaeda members number @ 1000) and the Muslims.

Get yourselves a MAJOR reality check people!
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 02/07/2008 15:21:02
#170 Neal - you say
"I don't see Muslims invading OUR country with Bombers, Tanks and Soldiers . . "
Perhaps you haven't noticed that Muslims don't use conventional weapons - they prefer the insidious suicide bomb, airplanes and sneaky roadside bombs. I thought that they did invade the USA using airplanes (Trade Centre)and bombs and suicide bombs in London, Spain etc.
You do seem to have a very biased viewpoint!
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Boswall,

02/07/2008 15:21:10
#164 Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht

Your stats only prove that the US was the most restrained out of all the countries listed when it came to capital punishment. You overlook differences such as capital punishment in the US is administered in the most humane way possible and can be abolished at the discression of each state. In Iran capital punishment can involve an official stoning!

The poor Iranians are having years of social progress forcably reversed by a hardline backward administration (that has lost the support of the people that elected it as well as the religious elite) that seems intent on taking the West to the brink.
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Stuart W,

Dundee 02/07/2008 15:24:11
As a resident of Mr Asif's ward I've sent this letter to the Courier:

Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif has raised concerns that a promotional postcard distributed by Tayside Police may cause offence to Muslims because it features a dog. His complaint has elicited an apology from the force.

Several of Mr Asif's councillor colleagues on a Tayside Police Joint Board sub-committee recently voted to award Chief Constable John Vine an £18,500 golden handshake. As a member of the board there is no evidence to suggest that Mr Asif had any objections to this.

Since many people, myself included, find this bonus offensive, is there any chance of an apology from Mr Asif and his colleagues?

Also, I note that your newspaper has reproduced the postcard in question, thus perhaps Mr Asif could provide a list of shops that will presumably not be stocking the Courier in future - as a resident of Mr Asif's ward and as someone who uses many of the shops in the area I do not want to cause offence by asking for the Courier in such shops.

However, I suspect that the vast majority of Muslim shopkeepers are a good deal more tolerant than Mr Asif seems to suggest.
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Arync,

Stroud 02/07/2008 15:24:14
All that should be stated is: Welcome to the US way of looking at the World.. This is how Americans have to deal with sentiments every single bloody day. Oh do not do that, we may offend someone.. Give it a bloody rest.. Good Luck.. Welcome to the US, and good luck. I was so hoping that the UK would NOT go down that path. Please please keep the UK (my home) from being that much like the (bleep bleep) US..
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 15:25:19
#178 Like I said we do it all out in the open; no sneaking bombs onto buses. While the fanatics insist on waging jihads against our democratic and civilised way of life we must use all the tools in our war chest to keep them in their place.

They can just stop it whenever they figure we will always win.
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Gere,

Scotland 02/07/2008 15:26:19
Post 172 Brian the Barbarian Dundee

Best post I have seen in a very long time!

I cannot endorse it strongly enough!

This incident proves we have accepted our status as a subjugated people and deserve to become extinct!

Within 100 years we will all be gone. History will record we willingly gave away our country, thousands of years of Western culture that in the final analysis we deemed unfit to continue to value and defend.

Ladies, I hope you will enjoy wearing your Burkhas, you will offend your new masters if you are seen in public without one.

This is not as funny as you might think!!!!!!
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Vivian,

USA 02/07/2008 15:26:51
#160

Muslims migrate because they fear for their lives!!! Do you honestly think they'd live anywhere else if they were allowed to express themselves at home the way they do in Britain or the US? YOU get a life sugarpuss!!!! I have one and don't need the likes of you to tell me what to think or how to feel. Based on the majority of the posts here, we ALL feel the Muslims are trying to change our beliefs and the way we live. If you're a sympathiser, then you're a minority.

Vivian
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Vivian,

USA 02/07/2008 15:27:56
#184

I concur, you hit the nail on the head!!!!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:33:29
179

Yes but the number of deaths caused by a VERY small Muslim Minority pales into insignificance when you compare the number of deaths caused by the US over-reaction.

They use Bombs et al BECAUSE they do not have the weapons at their disposal like we and the US do. Wait til we invade Iran, then you'll see how well the Muslim can fight. We'll be facing a couple of regiments of highly-trained women soldiers among them I believe!!

My viewpoint biased? Yes! Fack USA and Israel, they'll get us all killed with their constant beligerancy!!

180.

Electric Chair Humane? Hmmm . . .
Lethal Injection Humane? Hmmm . . .

Iran introduced the Vote for women in 1979 when they took over from the Shah - Backward?
You should Wiki Iran and look at the sections on Economy, Cultur, Art etc - Backward?
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:35:50
183

Oh? So we're winning in Iraq? Afghanistan? Militarily, Hearts and Minds are we?
183

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:43:28
184

Subjugated?

Try being English . . .
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Geomac 1,

Iran 02/07/2008 15:46:52
#185 Vivian
It seems obvious that many Muslims have not fled here because of threats to their lives - I agree that some have but other NO! Most came here for work and the UK government collaborated in that objective.
Of course they are trying to change our country - many have openly declared that they want Europe to be composed of Muslim states within a couple of generations.
I have lived in a Muslim country and I and my family had to live as the locals lived - I would not expect it to have been otherwise. Unfortunately, Muslims in Europe are not happy with European ways of life and want to change it - QED - and they will go to extreme lengths to achive their aim - eg recent Netherlands and Denmark outrages. Remember the recent situation near Bradford where the epople who were distributing leaflets were told to get out of our area (Muslim area)
If we keep our blinkers on and ignore that is going on all over the UK, then sure as eggs is eggs we will lose all our hard fought freedoms and end up as an Islamic state.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:47:30
185

And you're all colonials because?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 15:47:48
#188 Personally I am not so worried whether or not we "win hearts and minds" out there just as long as the terrorists are contained - by force as necessary - and prevented from building training camps - as they were before.

People's hearts and minds will follow when they wake up and get sick of the Muslim faith's most fanatical mullahs causing them all this suffering.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:48:38
185

And the christian church sends out missionaries because?
188

Stuart W,

Dundee 02/07/2008 15:50:10
According to tonight's Evening Telegraph Mr Asif has "gone to ground" and there's little apparent support for his position among Dundee's Muslims.

Please note that some people may find the contents of this link offensive!!!

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/story11594170t0.shtm
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 15:54:20
192

Well I'm glad your humanity quotient is so high, lets just ignore all the abuse that we in the west do and just concentrate on a coupla thousand Muslims eh?
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 15:56:44
In the name of Muhammed and for Ayatollahs's sake, have we all gone Muslim?
Muslims male dogs have underage sake with white peoples underage dogs, in white Baptist Churches, and force the parent dogs to watch.
I used to believe that the country had gone to the dogs. Now, I believe that the country has gone to the Muslims
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Shannon S.,

St. Louis, MO. (USA) 02/07/2008 15:58:00
Ok, let me see if I have this straight.

1. Adorable Puppy on a post card = offensive.
Nicholas Berg being beheaded on video by Al Queda = Not so offensive.

2. A Cartoon of Muhammed = offensive to the point of a jihad called upon the dutch cartoonist and newspaper.
Dragging the Bodies of civillian aid workers on video and hanging their bodies from a bridge in Falluja = not so offensive.

So if I were to have a cartoon of a puppy being held by Muhammed while eating a ham sandwich, well I guess that would probably cause a Holy War.

Well no apologies will be forthcoming if I do. In fact I am utterly offended that the Police APOLOGIZED to the muslim community. If anything, Asif or (Asshat) whatever his name is, should be apologizing to me and my boss because this newstory so offended me that I have taken precious time out of my work day to write a lengthy post about it.

Anyway, I think I'll go home make some porkchops, give my dog a kiss, and tuck my teddy bear 'Muhammed' in for the night.


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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 15:59:21
#194 I read the link. The best quote is from a Muslim shopkeeper: "I think perhaps the police should have used an animal with a stronger or more forceful image — I don’t think a puppy is a particularly terrifying image."

He's absolutely right. Instead of cutesy puppy they should have used an image of one of those balaclava clad terrorists holding a sword to an innocent westerner's throat. Or would that have been offensive too?
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:03:12
197

"Dragging the Bodies of civillian aid workers on video and hanging their bodies from a bridge in Falluja = not so offensive"

Torturing prisoners in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib = Not so Offensive
Raping and Murdering a 15 yr old Iraqi Girl and her Family = Not so Offensive.

Oh they are NOW, but when they occurred originally . . . .
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Media 1,

Cape Town 02/07/2008 16:04:20
Vivienne is correct.

Muslims migrate to white and oriental socities for the same reasons that African people migrate. They live in fear within their own nations and they know what they will receive protection and stability in white and Oriental societies.
And before some of you rant and rave about racism, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take a look at the state of Europe, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore and Japan by comparison to Malawi, Burma, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Chad, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe etc
There is actually no need to speak about it, the facts are there for all to see.
But as I said earlier, the west has progressed so it is expected to act appropriately!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:08:45
Then perhaps I should emigrate cos I live in fear of my country becoming a 'Big Brother Dictatorship' or because the number of people being killed is rising or because my economic outlook is spiralling down - oh, it already did, I've got me coat . . .
196

Shannon S.,

St. Louis, MO. (USA) 02/07/2008 16:10:33
#199

Are you actually SERIOUS? Oh my god you have me laughing. Of COURSE the are OFFENSIVE you MORON!! Why do you think it caused such a Firestorm in the news here in the US? I believe that we have prosecuted the soldiers in question have we not? The difference is we do our BEST to correct situations when something like that happens. And in the first place, prisoners are not tortured at Guantanamo. I have yet to hear of one incident at Guantanamo of any prisoners being beheaded. In fact the average prisoner gains weight at Guantanamo from being fed well (A diet which is SPECIFICALLY tailored for muslim inmates). So get your head out of your ass and get your facts straight.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:10:45
198

We could use a photo like this:

http://my.pclink.com/~rlovgren/photo1aa.jpg
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:13:46
198

or any from here:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Abu-Ghraib-Prison-Photos11jun04.htm
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Shannon S.,

St. Louis, MO (USA) 02/07/2008 16:16:23
203 & 204

Hey Neal!Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!

Where can I get glossy copies of those? I'd love to have those as Christmas cards.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 16:17:48
Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!:

Hasn't it occurred to you that some people are passionately opposed to the war in Iraq and the horrors that have resulted, but are also opposed to idiocies like getting violent about cartoons or upset about photographs of puppies?
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 16:18:40
#203 Isn't your photo called "doing a Piers Morgan"?

As in: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm
202

Legacy,

02/07/2008 16:20:20
Country's going to the dogs! It's a bad day for Scotland/ Britain when a Chief Constable has to apologise for a picture of a pup.
Keep the pup picture, get rid of Asif, he's a disgrace to the Muslim Community.
He seems to know plenty about pups but little about integration.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:21:48
199

How do you know there's no Torture in Guantanamo:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/03/guantanamo.usa

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-377623/I-confessed-escape-Guantanamo-torture.html

http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html

Read these before you state facts that are WRONG
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:27:55
207

So well 'piers morganed' that seven US soldiers were cashiered out of the army and another two imprisoned for some considerable time
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Shannon S.,

St. Louis, MO. (USA) 02/07/2008 16:28:10
#209

I guess you only read the first paragraph or so of the article. You have to read the WHOLE thing. We acknowledge our mistakes and we do our best to correct them. If what is in that article is the extent of the 'Abuse & Torture' compared to what has been done islamic terrorists such as beheadings, beatings, indiscriminantly killing women and children, (the list could go on and on) then your argument is quite weak. No matter what you say and what you paste as articles or pictures, they pale in comparisson to the atrocities and inhumanity of what the terrorists do.

Let me ask you a question, are you seriously offended by the picture of a puppy in a police hat?
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Shannon S.,

St. Louis, MO. (USA) 02/07/2008 16:31:25
By the way, what facts did I state that were wrong? So they didn't behead Nick Berg? Well someone should tell his family then. Oh, I guess they didn't hang the bodies of civillian workers from a bridge in Falluja. Well that's a relief. Thank you for setting me straight.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 16:31:56
Neal, I don't dispute your comments about the horrors of Guantanamo. But they don't make violence over cartoons or complaints about pictures of puppies any less stupid.
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Uilleam Mor,

02/07/2008 16:35:47
This is nothing more than intolerant nonsense from a minority individual within our community.

To say that the Police were wrong by showing a picture of a puppy dog does nothing for race relations.

Indeed, there must be many who are now saying what place do people like this complainant have in our society.

Mr Asid clearly has difficulty integrating to the extent that he cannot cannot accept the innocuous picture of a puppy. Not for him the acceptance of society's norms.

Indeed, in this country there may be many who find Halal and the ritual slaughtering of animals quite offensive. No religious or racist issues intended by this comment, but simply on the basis that the glorification and ritual sacrifice of slitting an animals throat is not right.

We want to live in a country that is tolerant and lives in harmony, not in a state of discord, and Mr Asif's comments I belive, have been less than helpful in this regard.

Maybe they have been blown out of proportion, I hope so.
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Allan(handofgod137),

02/07/2008 16:43:19
#170, But they are invading, comming over and breeding, displacing the indigenous population.
210

bluehead,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 16:43:40
this must be the final moment when the police force have been reduced to being a subsidiary branch of the keystone cops.
what ever happened to the old british Bobby who were a
grand example of what a policeman should be.?
they, like the present goverment, have shamed us all
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:44:26
211

Did you read the Forbes article? The one where the US Gov ADMITTED IT?

And what about the actions done by your little country against many many people?

Nor does a falsified Intelligence Document or two make it right to Invade a country.

Or to ascribe 9/11 to a jumped up freedom fighter like Bin Laden and Invade ANOTHER country.
(Just because someone says "i did it" doesn't mean they did - there is NO evidence that he did do it)

No, the Picture does not offend. What offends is people like you and most others on this board and the unhelpful racist bullshyt that you all come out with!!
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 16:45:59
#214 Re your last sentence: It's too late for hoping all Islam's intolerance is being "blown out of proportion".

Whether it's killing Salman Rushdie, seeking to behead Danish cartoonists, seeking to kill someone for naming a teddy bear Mohammed, beheading innocent westerners, screaming death to all homosexuals, screaming about the outrage of "unclean puppies" on postcards or stoning burkha clad women to death for getting themselves raped - what is very clear is that Islam has completely lost the plot and it's time for its followers to seriously think about growing up and joining humanity.
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oder,

Scotland 02/07/2008 16:47:23
168 Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,02/07/2008 14:55:35
166

WooHoo! Yet another Violent US reaction to the Muslims.

Haven't you guys figured it out yet?

Violence DOESN'T work, muppet!

neither does appeasement!
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:47:37
General Question

Do any of you here, writing the ascerbic anti-Muslim sentiments that you do, actually treat REAL Muslim People like that to their faces?
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 02/07/2008 16:48:40
#200 Media 1
What romantic and blatant rubbish
The West handed African countries back to their own people after years of occupation at the request of the local populations. Now you are saying that since their own governments cannot look after their peoples, we in the West should provide a refuge for large numbers of residents of Africa who are being persecuted by their governments?
The West has repeatedly tried to help African countries over the past decades but all that seems to have happened is that the Swiss bank accounts of the rulers have filled up and the local populations are being persecuted.
Sorry Media 1, this is an African problem and needs to be solved by African countries - we in the West have had enough - the recent situation in Zimbabwe is an African problem and MUST be resolved by Africa - if the West were to do anything other than pour money into the coffers of the tyrants, we would (and have been) be accused of having colonial intent!!
End of rant BUT I feel strongly that we should not be the depository of all the ills of all the countries around the world.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 16:48:50
#217 fot the nth time: You cannot call people "racist" for disliking or ridiculing the Muslim faith. Muslims are not a race - just another tuppeny bit, take your pick faith.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:49:15
Who's appeasing?

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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 16:50:43
#217, > What offends is people like you and most others on this board and the unhelpful racist bullshyt that you all come out with!! <

1) Islam isn't a race. It's a religion.

2) If [note the use of the word "if"] Islam teaches that photographs of puppies are offensive and that cartoons are a legitimate excuse for violence, it's a silly religion and perhaps even a nasty religion.

Do you disagree?
219

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:53:56
223

Then I can call Jews child-abusing (I consider the Bris child abuse - They are no longer nomadic people with hygene problems so they no longer need to do it), money-grabbing, holier than thou nazi's?

Cos thats just another tuppeny bit, take your pick faith.
220

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 16:57:04
225

One, I repeat ONE Muslim has said something on this subject, Mr Asif, and look how many anti-Muslims came out of the cupboard.

Nearly everyone on this board has been Muslim this, Muslim that. It's not the Muslims that have said this it's ONE MAN!!!!!
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 17:02:24
#226 Steady now, you may have just broken the race relations act and written racial hatred as Jews are born Jews and are identified internationally in law as a race. Fact.

Muslims are just faith followers, not born Muslim.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 17:11:50
228

No, like the Jew says 'I am an x Jew' they call themselves 'Muslim'.

American Jew
American Muslim
British Jew
British Muslim

Or you can say that they are all wrong. A child is born FREE, without religion, and it is then thrust upon them, 'this is how you will be!'

And the only reason the Jew is a race is because the world had a massive guilt trip after the 39 - 45 war and bent over backwards to accomodate them in every way possible, thus giving rise to the problems we have today in the Middle East!!
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Sanny,

02/07/2008 17:14:24
Let these over sensitive Muslims and their mad mullahs, aided and abetted by the PC brigade, continue to denigrate our country and culture. Their actions are counter productive.

Where once the BNP would have been laughed at or had the door closed in their face, now people are prepared to listen. Soon they will be prepared to act.

Our politicians will continue to mislead the country until they see the BNP as a growing force in Parliament. Let us hope they don’t leave it too late!

It would pay the PC lot and perhaps even the general public to make themselves familiar with the Koran and the haddiths. In particular those 32 verses that call for the slaughter of the infidel – that’s you an me.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

02/07/2008 17:18:50
We denigrate their countries and their cultures and have done for centuries, what's the difference?

Anyway, it's that time again, thanks for the debate - it's not often I have to stand alone . . .

Salaam Aleikum.
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Scotish Exile,

02/07/2008 17:26:35
Just when you think it can't get any worse...it does. When are we going to stop listening to these idiots. Them and the PC brigade are ruining things, but of course, if you speak out you are a racist, sad, sad, sad.
226

Donasdhu,

Groveland, CA 02/07/2008 17:30:19
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
Maybe if we circulate this amongst o
227

Donasdhu,

Groveland, CA 02/07/2008 17:30:35
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
Maybe if we circulate this amongst o
228

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 17:30:48
#229 Far be it for me to educate but Jews are a race - Judasim is a faith.

ie. A person could be a Jew following Judaism or a Jewish Christian (if they were born a Jew but decided their faith is Christian).

If you know any Muslim Christians please let us all know.

And while you try figure out why calling Jews bad things is racist (just the same as calling black people bad things is racist) but saying bad things about Muslims or ridiculing their faith is not, go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian

Faith is totally seperate to race.
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Keep Scotland Green,

Doune 02/07/2008 17:42:38
We have seriously lost the plot here. This is not a muslim country. Amongst many other positive things, this is an animal loving country. People own dogs as companions and as part of the family - not just for hunting and guide dogs. If that offends Mohammed, either the prophet or the ones down the road, then too bad. If you can't handle that, then go somewhere where you are "free" to live with your outdated, intolerant ideas. Tayside police, please do not pull these ads - your message will be clearly received by the thousands of people in the region who have a brain and some independent thought mechanism.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 17:48:43
#236, > Get a grip. The whole lot of you. Its a picture of a dog and anyone of any faith who doesnt have a chip on his shoulder can see that. <

Mr Asif is the one who should get a grip. And what about the cartoons of Mohammed? They were only pictures of a man, yet they led to violence. Who can respect that sort of a reaction to a drawing?
231

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 18:41:54
240 posts, and you lot haven't got past the fact that this is about a senior cop who failed to take professional advice and instead let a toon cooncillor persuade him to "apologise" for something that wasn't perveived by anyone as an insult.

On the strength of that, the worms have come out of the woodwork to let loose a torrent of islamophobic whingeing and whining.

Earlier today I posted some random twät-o-tron comments from the computer generated from the spEak You’re bRanes (look it up) website. Hardly anyone noticed I was kidding and some people took it very seriously indeed.

I think we all know whats going on here. ,,, the media won't admit that Muslims are turning prison into a holidaycamp,,, Read my lips: riot in the streets,,, This is just the first of many FACTS that the woolly-left have been ignoring for many years now!?? imo islamofacists are bending ovre backwards for the ethnic minorities in a white country! wake up people! have two strikes and youre out. sad but true!!!Its not politically correct to say so but Homosexuals are creaitng muslim no-go areas because hey have given away our sovriegnty! True patriots must speak English. i can tb elieve where this country is headed the bbcp retends it s not tru ebut the human rights brigade are always complaining simple answer: put themi loony bin.

Woof! Woof!
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 02/07/2008 19:10:06
#233 and # 234 - well done Australia. Maybe I should emigrate!

I amd a strong believer that any guest who is given asylum in this country who does NOT like the systema and laws should pack their bags and go elsewhere , where their "talents" will be appreciated
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Alberto.,

02/07/2008 19:24:14
This Cultural thing certainly needs watching - it may be too late when we finally realise what they may well be up to - and it’s difficult not to imagine there is more to it than the odd ‘disrupting’ but sometimes (most cases it seems!) rather irrelevant ‘culturally offensive point’ being aired!!

We have heard many of their 'alleged' spokesmen shouting their vile and vicious comments about 'our Culture' and that it is in their Culture that we should be wiped out!

This kind of ranting we have heard very often and extremely vociferous, yet there seems to be little enthusiasm displayed from other Muslims to stand up and deny it!!

That is worrying, as it seems much 'brainwashing - indoctrination’ must surely have been applied to many, if not all members of the Muslim / Islamic faith who apparently - with the absence of anything to the contrary, must be see as going along with this suggestion (necessity!) of such vicious activity!

‘Culturally’ where does this take us to now? The only visible direction currently, it seems, with the Governments attitude of apparent dis-regard to it all, only along the road of utter despair and possible ‘elimination!!!

Good Heavens! What with the EU total Control system almost upon us, the Islamist and their crazy but desired Sharia Law to accompany everything - Where on earth is our crazy Government driving this once ‘Wonderful Country’ down to?

I sincerely hope that poor old ‘Rebel’ doesn’t develop some kind of repressive problem over all this, and realizes that most of us still think he’s OK and we all (well most!) still adore him - as always!

‘Bonios’ all round please!
234

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 19:30:12
#240 How is life inside the asylum?
235

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 19:53:06
Studies show that mdoern britain i spandering to minorities! Read my lips: get out of the eu and get our counrty back!!. Sad but true!?! I heard this week that all parties except the BNP are giving way to multiculturalism because of nuliar-bore incompetence! Read my lips: elect Jeremy Clarkson as prime minister. Soon this country will be majority muslim with a mosk in every village!!!!?! lets see now in my opinion non-christians are playing the race card when will gordon stop taking it lying down This tired old question again... here come the pc brigade and the nanny state! pc liberalists are making our streets unsafe... The only solution is to shoot on sight... This is Comunism folks...! Stupid question! everyone knows the tax-man is giving money to their cronies because they are communists in disguise. Read my lips: run them out of the country. What next? Encourage single-parenting? Oops. They do it already!! Open your eyes people! the Lib Dems are giving preference to asylum seekers because I am now ashamed of Britain. We must send them packing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I am very angry about this!,,, I have been realising ove rthe past few years that Obamai s telling us what to do,,, We must lock our kids away to save them,,, Why did nobody listen to Enoch Powell all those years ago?!!! Does anyone realise that Daily Mail readers are creating muslim no-go areas because they have been incompetent since day 1. It is vital that we get rid of them. Lies! Lies! Lies!!?? I read that Prince Phillp is getting tax-payers money because of their so-called human rights',,, True patriots must introduce zero tolerance,,,when will people realise that immigrants are pandering to ethnics and gays because of nu-lira-bore incompetence a wise amn once said string htem all up simple as Whites being descriminated againstagain.. IMO migrants are running scarde because they are pandering to foreign interests. A wise maonce said put them in sloitary for the next 100 years. Nex
236

Gene Hansen,

Chicago, Illinois 02/07/2008 20:14:48
Since I have promised my wife a trip to Scotland some day, I would greatly appreciate it if there was a Scotland to visit when we get there. Enough of this foolishness. Best wishes to Rebel and the Devil take his enemies.
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 02/07/2008 20:15:45
This yet another example of EXTREME intolerance by an ethnic/religious group against another. No more, no less. A while back it was cartoons in Denmark. That fiasco is still being played out.

The PC brigade are NOT insane. These stances are a part of a greater plan. C'mon all you fools, are there not already no go zones in Yorkshire, and in and around some of the larger English cities.

The street cops know it, the higher up cops know it. They however refuse to act becauce of the political influences.

In 30 years..Dundee will have 10,000 Muslims. The population is only 160,000 or so, and getting old rapidly. Property is cheap, it has a port and the population has a signiificant # of dole merchants most of whom are apathetic beyond the norm.

Soon it will be a very important cog in the Muslim world.

A puppy for goodness sake! Ah well life goes on just one day at a time.

All the best.
238

r1niceboy,

yankeeland 02/07/2008 20:17:36
Mayber this will be less offensive.

http://rottypup.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/2000882593461967840_rs.jpg
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 20:22:32
I don't like religious zealots, but the council won't ban them.
240

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 02/07/2008 20:22:34
#246

Quote:
The PC brigade are NOT insane. These stances are a part of a greater plan. C'mon all you fools, are there not already no go zones in Yorkshire, and in and around some of the larger English cities.

The street cops know it, the higher up cops know it. They however refuse to act becauce of the political influences.



It's called Common Purpose.
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Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 02/07/2008 20:25:25
#217

Turn off the computer, restart smoking that dopey stuff that you do and stop annoying decent folk.
242

Griffe,

02/07/2008 20:58:28
When did we become an Islamic Republic?
243

keystone,

Wisconsin USA 02/07/2008 21:15:28
Most Muslims are vicious foul people who hate the west and all westerners. Their one objective is to destroy all infidels, aka, as all westerners. From this truth it is simply national suicide to allow any Muslims to come to, or remain, in Scotland. And the type of cowardly pandering that was done by the police only reinforces Muslim belief that the west is weak, and decadent, and afraid to defend its culture and future, and should be destroyed by Muslims, and replaced with their culture, and insanity. Scotland, save yourself, be rid of these murdering Muslim fools.
244

Kitti Kat,

pa 02/07/2008 21:37:25
Agree with 85. If the muslims don'e t like the dog post card, let them and any others who are "offended" by the photo of a puppy go to a country where their views will be tolerated and obeyed. The UK, like the US are forever giving in to people who don't like what the majority of the citizens choose to enjoy. All this political correctness will someday tu rn on those who cave in to minority demands. Same!!! PS I woiuld love to have a picture of a dog,as well as a live one.
245

Euan,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 21:39:58
This country is getting softer and softer by the day.

Scotland is not a Muslim country and it never will be.

Yes, Scotland has a small Muslim population, but we should not have to think of every little detail in order not to offend them.

If any Westerner went to a Muslim country and did not abide by their rules, there would be hell to pay....
246

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

02/07/2008 21:42:29
252...You've slipped past the guards right?...made your way to the nurses station and snuck onto the computer mmmmmmh?....next time they gie ye the auld leccie therapy treatment make sure ye dip yer wee boabbie in the jannies bucket there's a good boay....
247

oder,

Scotland 02/07/2008 21:48:25
225

"One, I repeat ONE Muslim has said something on this subject, Mr Asif, and look how many anti-Muslims came out of the cupboard."

it only took one school teacher to allow a Muslim child to call a teddy bear "Mohammed" when the Muslim holy warriors were screaming for her death, if its abuse or excessive insults to other faiths you are concerned about suggest you read the Koran!where the insults in this book far outnumber all other religions added together.
248

BoiledBunny,

South of the Border 02/07/2008 21:54:45
One can only wonder what the Hadith says about Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear! Did Muslims boycott Top Gear after the unveiling of Top Gear Dog? Anyone seen Top Gear Dog recently?

I guess those taking offence have never heard of the Dickin Medal?

I am sure we can all celebrate Rebel on Liam Byrne's Great British Bank Holiday to celebrate Great British values?
249

BoiledBunny,

South of the Border... 02/07/2008 22:00:53
I bet these cards and posters would fetch a mint on eBay! Or will people just scan the image and start printing their own up?

I am already thinking of having some tee shirts printed up with Rebel on.
250

keystone,

Wiscons USA 02/07/2008 22:00:58
#255, I must assume you are a Muslim. If not, then you are certainly ignorant enough to be one.
251

Iain's,

barcelona 02/07/2008 22:56:41
I believe this to be yet another attempt to divide the non-sectarian , ordinary Muslim and the non-muslim communities.

The enemy is all around us!

The more trouble these PC people can stir up the more evil it engenders.
252

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 23:15:31
imo arbas ares elling britain to the french every british working man must suht up and obey orders says the government we need another war It's obvious that illegals are terrorising our streets! Somebody should stand up and be counted. What about my right not to be killed every day?! I have been realising over the past few years that communist facists ar peddling their lies because they want to destroy the wold. Simple answer: bring back the cane thatll teach em. Its like a nightmare bt real. Its not politically correct to say so but those morons in the government are getting away scott free because they've allowed immigration to go unchecked.. We must bring back hanging. Publish this one if you dare!! Aw diddums. the media won't admit that immigrants are pandering to ethnics and gays. End this madness now, rise up against them. Anybody on the other hand, who wants to have a relationship with a child, ought to be exterminated!?? Its not politically correct to say so but single mothers are too namby pamby because they are anti-american! A wise man once said send them to Iraq. this tired old question again. i have been realising over the past few years that ethnics are being run by communists because they're ruining britain. wake up people! stand up and be counted. Oh here we go again the bbc pretends its not true but Obama is getting away with murder because they want to destroy us from within!, All true brits should get out of the eu and get our country back!!, What do you think?!!!
253

craigy,

03/07/2008 00:16:37
#53 dougie, Brisbane.
Are you haviing a laugh Dougie?
254

riley01,

America 03/07/2008 04:03:04
Let's see, they are OUTRAGED over puppy pics and cartoons just through them into a rage. But we don't heart a word from these "peaceful" mussies when there is a suicide bombing, a beheading, a group of them slamming plans into buildings. Can you see where I am going with this? Look at our sad, sad country. We might just have a president named Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. He is the product of a cheating black muslim from kenya and a white loose mother who got herself knocked up then left behind not only by this loser but a second muslim that dumped her and B. Hussein as well. NICE. It's the end of the world as we know it!! Kiss your kiddos and love them, because it is all coming to a sad end soon. This puppy thing is just the tip of one ugly and f'd up religion.
255

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 03/07/2008 08:20:33
Just noticed the dog looked incredibly like a Scottie dog.

If some members of our community finds a Scottish national icon offensive then there is some serious issues going on.
256

Alison66,

New Zealand 03/07/2008 08:26:07
How much does Mr Asif get paid to spout this rubbish?

Has Mr Asif ever BEEN into a Muslim corner shop and seen what is sold there: alcohol, cigarettes, x-rated magazines....and....DOG FOOD

Mr Asif is, without doubt, a control freak. He must put his 'stamp of approval' on all that is said and done or woe betide you. In my opinion, there are too many like him in the Muslim world.

Mr Asif, a wise man once said that God gave men two ears and one mouth so they could listen twice as much as they talked. I hope you are listening now.
257

Red Dykes,

Highland 03/07/2008 08:48:26
All this is barking................
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CG,

Phoenix, Arizona (formerly Glasgow) 03/07/2008 21:12:03
They kept the buses running back in the day. Little did we realise they would get to run the flipping country. I am lost for words and so sad. Where is that Scottish spirit and pride? Enoch Powell we owe you an apology.
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Jed Zeppelin,

Dundee 03/07/2008 22:08:53
Don't sweat it people - Mr Asif is viewed locally as a Buffoon of the highest order and quite rightly so. Just another excuse to get his mug in the paper but he has been roundly bitch slapped by all Dundonians because of this - didn't even have the balls to make an apology for his slur.

he can kiss my balls.
260

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Gordon Taylor,

South Wales 03/07/2008 23:47:58
Last week it was the story that schools in some areas of Scotland did not allow children to make Fathers Day cards because it might cause upset to those who only had a mother or even those with two 'parents' of the same sex. Now the police apologize because it might upset a tiny minority of people, who have a dislike of dogs, allegedly because their religious belief says so. Is anyone in a position of authority going to stand up against political correctness? Also, in a so called Christian country, we seem to bend over backwards to avoid offending those with other religious beliefs, but seem to ignore those with Christian values. And this in a country with a Prime Minister whose father was a minister and who claims to be a Christian!!
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bus user,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 00:08:28
Are we being allowed to comment on this to make the Scotsman seem open?
Obviously [to anyone with a western european mainstream sensibility], this is nonsense That's 'obvious' [in its proper sense]. However, there are from within that mainstream community [irresepective of creed, colour, gender, orientatation, etc.], who know it's a done deal. Hacks know better than to waste their time on this, but the Red Tops need copy even more than the the Scotshack.
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Littlehorse,

London 04/07/2008 00:09:51
wow, last time i checked this was a FREE country and that a dog is considered MAN'S BEST FRIEND.... the list of things Muslims CANT do just seems to keep growing and growing i pitty them, this is a country where people enjoy their freedoms, the freedoms to speach, and and wear what they want, if the musilm community are happy live with restricted freedoms then that is fine but don't for one second more believe its fine to take our freedoms away,this country and many like it did not just appear out of thin air this freedom we enjoy has been paid for by the sacrafice of millions not so that people who dont believe in those freedoms could turn up in small numbers make complaints and change things. I'd like to see a Muslim country give a bunch of non-muslims such a voice and be so tollerent. What a joke, hang your head in shame all those concerned.......
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WiseAndHonest,

California 04/07/2008 08:06:07
I would NEVER have apologized. Nothing they did was wrong. It makes us look weak...and they just chalked another line up for them against "us" on the chalkboard.

Yes, folks! Muslims ARE this prejudiced against the other races. This is a perfect example.

If they had circulated a cow photo or a rat photo instead of a dog, it would not have been opposed by Christians or other races/religions.

Muslims hate us so much, that they go around looking for issues to try to make us conform to their way.

What kind of race comes to a free country, with freedom of religion and then chastises those who follow the rules?

We don't go around picking on them, yet Yahoo Answers another forums all over are posing questions against whites and Christians posed by Muslims. It's truly a bad statement for them, as whole.

Racism is against us. Clearly Not against them, who we allow in our country.
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Dr Gabriele Marranci ,

Aberdeen 04/07/2008 15:55:34
Dear all,

you can read here what the newspapers have not reported

http://marranci.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/the-dog-the-hat-the-police-and-muslims-in-dundee/

and again, what also this newspaper has not so well reported:

http://marranci.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/reporting-terrorism-a-reflection/

I wonder between the two events, which one we feel is more outrageous.

Best wishes
Gabriele
http://marranci.wordpress.com/
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celtic4,

USA 24/07/2008 14:12:01
I strongly believe that if a country lets one live there in asylum, then that immigrant should adapt to that countries laws, and culture. "When in Rome.."
But evidently some do not believe this way at all.
I,for one, would not apologise because a wee puppy "offends" anyone on a poster. If they do not like what we or you do, let them return to their own country. That is elementary.
AND to NEAL...get a life and get off that stupid soap box. Your comments are disgusting. There is nothing wrong with America and you need to realize this or are you a racist too?

 

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