Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement


T in the Park

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the The Scotsman site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Asda joins forces with Tesco in move to end era of cheap alcohol



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 22 February 2008
MANDATORY price rises for alcohol to counter binge drinking moved a step closer yesterday as supermarkets agreed to talks with ministers.
Asda last night followed Tesco by announcing it was willing to discuss measures including a ban on cheap alcohol deals.

It reveals the pressure faced by supermarkets, convenience stores and pubs as governments at Holyrood and Westminster respond
to calls from doctors to end Britain's "alcohol epidemic".

The British Medical Association yesterday called for an increase in taxes on alcohol, an end to "irresponsible" cheap deals, standardised warning labels on bottles and cans and a cut in the drink-drive limit.

Tesco appeared to seize the initiative on Wednesday by indicating it would support moves to end cut-price beer and wine deals. But in reality, retailers have been forced into action by Kenny MacAskill, Scotland's justice minister, who wants to pass laws setting minimum prices for alcohol, and Chancellor Alistair Darling, who is considering a sharp rise in duty on drink in next month's Budget.

Mr MacAskill described Tesco's comments as a "step in the right direction". But he added: "Talk is cheap – as cheap as the bucketloads of drink they sell to get folk into their shops.

"I would urge the UK government to take practical action to stem the tide of cheap alcohol that is having such an impact on our health, our public safety and our economy. They will have the support of the Scottish Government if they do."

Retailers said raising prices to tackle binge drinking amounted to a "yob tax" that could spur a middle-class backlash.

But Professor Ian Gilmore, president of the Royal College of Physicians and chairman of the UK Alcohol Health Alliance, welcomed the Tesco "turnaround".

He said: "Alcohol is not an ordinary commodity. It is legal and it is part of our society, but it is a drug and a drug of dependence in some people. It should not be subject to promotions and use as a loss-leader."

Dr Vivienne Nathanson, the BMA's head of science and ethics, said: "As doctors, we see first-hand how alcohol misuse destroys lives. It causes family breakdowns, is a major factor in domestic violence, ruins job prospects, is often related to crime and disorderly behaviour and kills."

Voluntary codes employed by the drinks industry were not enough, said Dr Nathanson.

Dr Hamish Meldrum, chairman of the BMA, said

the entertainment industry also had a key role to play, especially after Wednesday's Brit Awards, where several performers were clearly drunk.

'This highlights the risk of binge drinking and should be a warning to young and old'

A JUDGE yesterday criticised Scotland's binge drinking culture as he jailed a man for five and a half years for killing a friend after a drunken row.

James Best, 52, pushed Joe Blair, 60, to the ground and then as his victim lay unconscious head-butted him three times and kicked him.

Both men had been out celebrating the success of their football team, Port Glasgow Juniors, and drinking heavily.

Judge Lord Hardie told Best he had launched a "cowardly, vicious attack upon a defenceless man", head-butting him with such force that Best injured his own forehead.

Lord Hardie added: "The anti-social and violent behaviour of people who have been binge drinking is normally associated with immature young people.

"It causes even greater concern that a supposedly mature person should behave in this way.

"This case highlights what can be the extreme consequences of binge drinking and should be highlighted to warn young and old of the risk associated with it. It causes people to behave in a way they might not otherwise do."

Lord Hardie also urged the licensing authorities in Port Glasgow to look into the circumstances surrounding Mr Blair's death.

He told Best: "It appears you and other customers, including Mr Blair, may have been served with alcohol by a public house within their jurisdiction at a time when these customers were already intoxicated."

The court heard an argument flared after Mr Blair, who ran a barber's shop in the town, playfully tried to hug a woman as they waited outside a taxi office on 11 October. His subsequent killing was captured on CCTV cameras and shown in court.

Mr Blair's sister, Pamela McKechnie, 41, of Kilbirnie, said: "It started off as a minor tiff between two drunk guys and developed into a silly scuffle.

"We could have understood what happened and forgiven Best for what was an accident."





The full article contains 762 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 00:51:48
I cannot for the..'life-of-me', believe all this 'hysteria'!

Its..'Madness total Madness'!!!!

"Cheap Booze", is 'NOT'..I..Repeat..'NOT' the Problem!

And WONT solve Anything!,,far less than our teens, getting,
'The Booze'

Its..'Madness utter!, Madness'!!!!

AM I Dreaming,?

Has someone,..'Hit me on the Head,?

Is this!..'The Nursery Channel,?

For 'Gods Sake'!...'WAKE-UP'..'MUPPETS'

Make It £10.00 for a bottle off, the worst crap wine!

Our..'Teens', get the Money somehow!
AND WILL STILL BUY IT!
IT WONT MAKE A..'HOOT OF DIFFERNCE' To them!

Think I don't know what I am talking about!,?
Well I DO!..my DYW has many..'teen aquaitences'

Night out for them is!
2 Bottles of wine each!! before they go out!
Then..'Hit The Town'
Then drink till 3 in the Morning!

YOU WONT STOP THEM THIS WAY..'MUPPETS'!

ITS THEIR CULTURE THESE DAYS!

BTW, My DYW,,will NOT Participate, in their habit!

But they are her, workmates/friends!

Me being your..'Uncle Charlie'..sees it..'ALL'!

And I will tell you NOW!!
"Asda joins forces with Tesco in move to end era of cheap alcohol"

IS UTTER NONSENSE!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 01:12:11
Our 'Teens' Girls typical night out!

Get someone to buy their Booze, through the day!

'Cost DONT come into it'!

Its usually wine or sparkly wine!

After work they go to their..'girlie's friends house'

They..'chat'..'do their hair'..'put makeup on' and
'Dress to Kill!
During this time, they drink two bottles each!
Then get..'Taxi' to the clubs and Pubs!

(already drunk)

They just keep going!

Some end up in all sorts of trouble!

'Date Rape'..being the worst!
But try telling them!
You become the..'Party spoiler'!
Until it all goes, as we know! terribly wrong! for them!

BUT!
"Asda joins forces with Tesco in move to end era of cheap alcohol"

Wont solve Anything!
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 01:19:01
NOW give me the Job in the Scottish Office!
Because it looks like..'no-one'..'has a clue'!
4

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 22/02/2008 01:43:56
I know that a significant part of the population of Britain don't have the self-control to get off their behinds and find jobs. If they don't have the self-control to regulate their alcohol intake, surely Tesco et al are not fitting substitutes.

If McAskill and his ilk want to regulate the prices retailers can charge for their goods, why don't they regulate the prices of domestic energy so that those who are - through no fault of their own - on fixed incomes can survive the next Scottish winter?
5

jamtart,

Beechboro 22/02/2008 02:06:12
Up goes the price of grog up goes the bag snatching,housebreaks et al.Get real and stop punishing the people who can handle their drink.Punish the clowns who get pissed and cause the problems.
6

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 22/02/2008 04:43:42
"Asda joins forces with Tesco in move to end era of cheap alcohol" and just happen to swell their already disgusting profits at the same time......
7

Vincent-W,

22/02/2008 06:53:29
#6 - what is an acceptable profit in your view?
8

paulr,

edinburgh 22/02/2008 08:10:57
Asda and Tesco are only doing this because the new licensing laws which are coming into force soon mean that all drink promotions, buy one get one free, happy hour and the like will be illegal.
9

Joe,

Foot of the Walk 22/02/2008 08:15:44
No lessons learned from the USA prohibition era? Making alcohol expensive will create more problems. It's the culture that requires attention not silly schemes to boost brewers and retailers profits. How about the Tartan Army setting an example and drinking only Scottish water?
10

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 22/02/2008 08:17:02
Another attack on the law abiding majority that will not affect the law breaking few.
11

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 08:17:07
paulr @#8

"buy one get one free"

It wont bovver our 'teens'
They will Just buy the two!
12

Navvy,

22/02/2008 08:35:51
They will be laughing all the way to the bank in Calais and other channel ports
13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 22/02/2008 08:38:04
#1. Of course cheaper booze increases sales!

Any shop will tell you that price cuts in drink increase sales of that drink.

Please inform yourselves about price elasticities before commenting on this idea. Alcohol is not a Giffen Good.
14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 09:17:04
Rulesbutnotrulers @#13,

NO you!!!,
"Please inform yourselves about price elasticities before commenting"

The issue, will NOT stop the problem, in our streets on the weekends, the young will still, be in fights and taken away in Ambulances!, because they drink to much!

What...'century'...were you born in!,?
15

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 22/02/2008 09:27:14
#15 Charles T. Tsk task! What's rattled your cage? Logic?

One reason (some of) the young drink too much and brawl is because they can afford to. If all booze was £50 a bottle then I guarantee we'd see far less of this 'carry-on thanks to carry-oots'.

PS. What is the point of your final question? Plato was stupid because he was born circa 300BC? (He also fulminated against the youth of his day).
16

ddmc,

22/02/2008 09:57:25
I have to laugh at this, Asda, Tesco's & the rest are responsible for making the booze so cheap in the 1st place. While all the food prices have risen recently , bevvy is much the same price as before. They use it as there major lost leader to get punters in the door.
17

Gothic Rose,

22/02/2008 10:06:43
The subject is a Total Bore!
18

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 22/02/2008 10:09:08
Aww! I will need to up my Ecstacy intake to address the balance...
19

azp,

22/02/2008 10:15:18
This is utter nonsense agree with other posts the price is not a factor this is just yet another way to increase their profits and also why not make it over 21's only as beleive minors are not allowed alcohol anyway.
Why should the young ferrals now spoil it for everyone else although the decent drinks are not normally reduced - why out of curiosity do Tesco etc if trying to discourage drinking have their own Cheap very cheap although I persume very nasty lager
Yet more nonsense in this getting more ridiculous by the day country
20

azp,

22/02/2008 10:16:43
oh yes and exactly who are alcopops aimed at !!
21

azp,

22/02/2008 10:18:47
Ban smoking now raise duty even more on drink which is already one of the most expensive countries to buy it - more trips to France seem in order - also it seems although do not partake in them that the illegal drugs are in real terms going to be cheaper than the legal ones ?
22

G,

Bridgefoot 22/02/2008 10:19:58
Haven't they bieng price-fixing for years?
Is this news?
23

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/02/2008 10:20:17
Gothic Rose

Of course this would be a total bore to you because you are teetotal or a drunkard or something - I can never get it right. Please elucidate, dearest one.

Charles Linskaill

CALM DOWN! You are getting to exercised over this whole thing. We know you feel strongly on this matter but you are going to raise your blood pressure. It ain't worth it.

As for Tesco, I DO NOT trust their good intentions one bit. They will raise alcohol prices a few pennies for a limited time and then go back to their old and unconscionable practices and reap in oodles of ill-gotten gains at the price of alcoholic mothers and fathers and their children who binge drink because the price is so low and is probably a "loss leader" to get people into the store to buy MORE, MORE,MORE!
24

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 10:38:41
Hi Tim, how are you this..'early morning' your side,?
Dont worry I am calm!

Rulesbutnotrulers @#15,

Look at posters #16 and #20
This is what I am trying to get across, even at £50.00 a 'bottle' the teens will have their booze!
They ARE resourceful and not stupid!
AND NO!, it dont mean they...'turn to crime'
But WILL find other ways to still have the booze!

END-OFF!!!!
25

Gothic Rose,

22/02/2008 10:41:08
TimW.

B******ger of!Elucidated enough,Sweetness?
26

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 11:16:19
Well, I have been proven right. The nazis are now moving on to alcohol. Next it will be fatty foods, then it will be salt.

THE BRAIN-DEAD SMOKING BAN PAVED THE WAY FOR ALL THIS!!

I hope that all of you sanctimonious fools are proud of yourselves.
27

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/02/2008 11:31:45
Gothic Rose

My, my DEAREST one! Is that your evil twin talking.

And I thought you were a lady. You disappoint me - SUCH LANGUAGE!

Now wash your mouth out with soap, beloved.
28

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 22/02/2008 12:16:40
Tax vice, reward virtue.

Raise the price of drink, fags, private road fuel, junk food, flying, etc, so high that only essential users can afford them. If I can manage a happy life without any of them, then so can most folk. I resent my taxes subsidizing the follies and selfishness of others.

Provide and subsidize healthy and ecologically sound alternatives.

29

Boyne Bhoy,

22/02/2008 12:17:14
On the basis that alcohol in real terms is already expensive in the UK vis a vis continental Europe it seems logical to assume the abuse is caused by factors other than price. To address the problem you need to look at attitudes to drinking not just introduce swingeing price increases.
30

an interested party,

22/02/2008 12:18:02
50 quid a bottle will make it well worth while to fire up a still and make your own.

at 50 quid a bottle a gram of coke becomes attractive

people especially young people want to get 'oot of their hieds' and will take the cheapest option legal or not

when your 17 which is more illegal?
drink?
fags?
drugs?

just say no and stick your head in the sand and the problem is bound to go away

and of course tesco et al are happy to have a government back increase in profit
31

Vincent-W,

22/02/2008 12:27:45
Scotland has been a p*ssed up nation for centuries - this won't make the slightest change. It is our attitude to drink that's the issue.

It would have more effect if the opinion formers (ie the media) stopped their polarised attitudes of either glamourising being p*ssed/being sanctimonious about it.
32

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 12:34:36
#30:

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Good one!

See you down the pub tonight.
33

WKKB,

22/02/2008 12:51:40
"MANDATORY price rises for alcohol to counter binge drinking moved a step closer yesterday as supermarkets agreed to talks with ministers."

You really don't even have to read any more than this first paragraph to know what's motivating this move. It's really more like Tesco and Asda have discovered a new way to raise their profits. Until the booze comes off the shelf entirely sales won't drop and our youth will still be able to binge drink any time they want. It's like the gun problem in the US and drug problems around the world, those who want it will get it.

Another idea for Tesco and Asda to chew on is to STOP building beer pyramids at the front doors of the stores. They're practically forcing it down ever shoppers throats the second they walk through the doors.

34

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 22/02/2008 13:04:39
what a joke more money please and that will stop the problem i right it will the problem is when the stupid government started opening leisure centres only for the chosen few shut down all the youth clubs the kids had nowhere to go apart from the streets they get bored so try anything for a laugh drugs, drink etc then the bother starts my area hasnt had a gala day for years in case it offends the migrants so resentment starts asians poles chinese blacks etc start creating their own communities which breeds death and destruction no go areas for the wrong colour religon etc gangs start up only last year the then home sec sat live on the tv while a muslim man demanded him to get out a SOLELY muslim area
35

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 22/02/2008 13:07:52
plus only yesterday lenny henry demanded more coloureds should be on tv didnt make any odds to him if said person was any good or not just DEMANDED to flood tv with anyone who wasnt white blamed all the riots drive shootings stabbings rapes etc on the white man as usual
36

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 22/02/2008 13:08:46
Suggestion:
At the moment Asda & Tesco are happy to make a "profit" at price x for a given product. If they are going to increase the price from x to y, then the extra revenue (y-x) should be passed to the Government as a health tax and used for health initiatives - those things like youth centres etc - which young people want and, it is claimed, they presently lack; in order to keep them off the streets we have to give them alternatives to standing on a corner (or lying in a park) drinking alcohol.
37

Deamhain,

Aberdeenshire 22/02/2008 13:13:35
I'm not convinced that raising the price at point of sale is going to have much of an effect. I agree that people generally will find the money. This isn't just about the youngsters hanging around the bus shelters with their bottles of Bolly though. The problem is deep within our culture and a huge change is required. Go to any UK airport at about 5am, any morning from April to October and ask yourself why so many people are already on the beer. I could go on but the fact is we're a nation of drunkards and are killing ourselves. If this is the first small step of a journey of a thousand miles then at least it's a step.
38

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 22/02/2008 13:14:11
two people live on telly enoch powel or take your pick of any migrant who whose speaking with a forked tongue because as far as i can see the drugs flooding into britain come one hundred % from another country the only home grown drugs we have here crack houses weed farms are ALL run by migrants 100% yardies triads asian foot soldiers as they want to call themselves only 3 days ago it came out the dutch told us about the thousands of criminals who came here using dutch passports what the goverment failed to mention they were all migrants which the dutch gave passports to and told them get to britain they take anyone in and give you benifits a house schools for your numerous kids
39

Maurice,

Fife 22/02/2008 13:28:10
Strange that, all over Europe and in fact most of the world Booze is a damned side cheaper than Britain but only in the UK are people unable to behave themselves properly
40

an interested party,

22/02/2008 13:52:23
Can someone explain why there is less of a binge drinking problem on the continent *despite* alcohol being considerably cheaper there than it is in the UK?

kinda what you said 43 but i stole it from elsewhere and it has a point
41

Poetess,

Dundee 22/02/2008 14:12:45
Ahh, more nonsense from the nanny state! Why should I - a mature, professional, employed tax-payer - be punished because some folk are unable to drink responsibly? This appears to be a deeply ingrained cultural problem, & raising the prices will not eradicate it. Be it drugs, guns, sex, or cheap booze...if people want it, they will find a way to get it, & it's unfair to penalise the many people such as myself who KNOW THEIR LIMITS & drink responsibly.
42

Vincent-W,

22/02/2008 14:16:55
It strikes me that the supermarkets will be lambasted by someone if they undercharge, charge at cost, charge making small profit or over charge.

There is such a concept as personal responsibility. Iwent to a party recently, free booze, some people behaved and some people didn't. Where's the responsibility lie?
43

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 15:20:40
"Retailers have been forced into action by Kenny MacAskill, Scotland's justice minister, who wants to pass laws setting minimum prices for alcohol, and Chancellor Alistair Darling,"

Well, there's a sure way to get yourself voted out of office!!

As many here have pointed out, why should the majority who are well behaved/moderate in their use of drink be made to suffer because of those who misbehave, etc.?

What are the reasons for the differences between behaviour amongst continentals where booze is largely much cheaper and people in the UK?

If this goes through, I for one won't be supporting either Labour or the SNP.
44

MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 22/02/2008 15:43:24
Another nail in the coffin of Rip-Off Britain. Can we bury this, please?

I fail to see why responsible alcohol users should be continually penalised for others' lack of self-control.
45

Euan,

Edinburgh 22/02/2008 17:40:12
#49

Couldn't put it any better, well said.

46

Itchy,

Lochgelly 22/02/2008 19:56:43
#30 government isn't good for your health.

I resent bozos like you who think that state knows best and can tax everyone to oblivion.
47

Hunky Dorey,

Blasgow 22/02/2008 20:41:49
Whit a they goonae dae it Ibrox? Nae mair cheap buckfast? Awe comeown this wulnae dae!
48

Hunky Dorey,

22/02/2008 20:44:47
# 30 ....... Haw son! your no right in the heed.
49

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 22/02/2008 21:40:57
Reckon web design special offers should be looked at too.

Once again I post and have to sign in again (without post being sent).

Was this site designed by Labour?

50

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 22/02/2008 21:46:10
As I was saying before being rudely interrupted (cyberly) by the web designers,

I think there is a network out there which is targeting kids with booze and the booze aint coming from the supermarkets.

The higher the price here, the more it will come through the ports. Forget the present day bingers and think ahead.
51

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 22/02/2008 21:49:09
I shall correct my ignorance.

Ridicule the present day bingers and think ahead.

52

,

22/02/2008 21:56:49
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
53

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 23/02/2008 01:36:58
Jock Tamson @#57,

"Better go and kick the wife and kids - ahm pished."

That IS a dangerously,, Unhealthy commet to make!

One that I regard...'As Sick'!

Even if you meant it,..'In Jest'!

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 

Featured Advertising



Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.