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Published Date: 03 November 2009
BEN Thomson, one of Scotland's leading investment bankers, yesterday put a marker down in his ambition to buy up TSB from Lloyds to create an independent Scottish financial institution.
The former chief executive of the Noble Group broke cover to tell The Scotsman he would be interested setting up a new stand-alone Scottish bank.

The prospect of a European Commission-enforced sale by Lloyds Banking Group of its 185 Lloyds TSB branches in Scotland had sparked speculation he might be involved in putting together a consortium of senior Scottish businessmen to bid for the branches, creating a genuinely Scottish "TSB Scotland" out of the ashes.

Last night, he told The Scotsman: "I would like there to be more Scottish banks and more Scottish business people involved in them going forward.

Read analysis by Bill Jamieson here

"It would be nice to think that we could do a Scottish deal. And that would be something that I could well see myself getting involved in."

He went on: "While I have not had any immediate talks about the Lloyds TSB situation, these are very early days – the banks will be given four years to make these divestments.

"I have been speaking for months on the case for the big banks selling off their investments and peripheral activities and creating slimmed-down, stand-alone 'narrow' or utility banks."

Mr Thomson was one of the few figures on the Scottish business scene to warn of the adverse competition policy implications of the takeover of HBOS by Lloyds, and he worked behind the scenes last year on the legal challenge to the deal, along with property developer Mark Shaw and prominent Scots architect Malcolm Fraser. The appeal by the Merger Action Group was vigorously opposed by Business Secretary and former EU commissioner Lord Mandelson.

The proposal to have a stand-alone Scottish bank has been welcomed across Scotland's business and political groups.

Labour's John McFall, chairman of the Commons Treasury committee, said he would support a Scottish consortium creating a Scottish TSB. "This would be something which, in light of the demise of RBS and the Bank of Scotland, would be a welcome step and it would be something positive and tangible arising from the ashes," he said.

There was also strong support from Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Tavish Scott, who backed The Scotsman's campaign questioning the Lloyds takeover of HBOS.

"For many years, Scotland dined out on its banking reputation, but recently it has not even been able to go to the fish and chip shop on it," he said. "This would help restore some pride and self-confidence."

The Scottish Government refused to commit itself. A source close to finance secretary John Swinney said: "We need to see more details."

But Conservative economy spokesman Gavin Brown said: "There is a concentration of players in Scotland that makes it even more highly concentrated than south of the Border, so if an independent bank is going to come forward and is a viable option, it should be welcomed."

Meanwhile, two of the figures who fought hardest against the Lloyds-HBOS merger have given their backing to the "Scottish TSB" proposal.

HBOS's former deputy chairman Sir Peter Burt said: "I wish them luck. It will not be easy to create a stand-alone Scottish bank, but it would certainly be good for Scotland."

Former Merger Action Group member Mr Fraser said: "This is precisely what we were calling for last year. I am glad the UK government is finally coming round to our view."

Ben Thomson: High-profile head of key think-tank

OVER the last two years, Ben Thomson has become an increasingly high-profile and influential figure in Scottish politics and business.

The 45-year-old is head of the centre-right think-tank Reform Scotland, where he works alongside former Conservative candidate Geoff Mawdsley.

The think-tank has produced controversial papers on a range of subjects including the economy, health and education.

One of its most reported suggestions was for Scotland to adopt a Swedish-style system which allowed people to set up their own private schools with state funds.

It also surprised many by producing a paper on the next stage of devolution, which called for far more fiscal powers to come to Scotland, giving Holyrood its own Treasury.

Mr Thomson is also known to be a close confidante of First Minister Alex Salmond and was the eminence grise behind attempts earlier this year to find a Scottish buyer for the stricken Dunfermline Building Society.

He is chairman of investment bank Noble and has been appointed chairman of the National Galleries of Scotland.

His name has been linked with the takeover of several companies in Scotland and Mr Thomson was closely involved in the appeal against the Lloyds TSB takeover of HBOS to the Competition Commission Tribunal late last year.

He backed attempts by the Merger Action Group to stop HBOS being bought by Lloyds.


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Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,

02/11/2009 22:16:58

"a consortium of senior Scottish businessmen to bid for the branches, creating a genuinely Scottish "TSB Scotland" out of the ashes."

Hmp.

What does "genuinely Scottish" mean?

If this is to be a private concern owned by a handful of rich blokes, why does it matter if they hail from Aberdeen, Aylesbury or Aberystwyth?

If it's going to be floated on the stock market, then it will be owned by UK pension funds, just as all other UK companies are and just as HBOS and RBS were.

Why are people obsessed with sticking tartan and shortbread on to corporate ownership?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2009 22:45:07
Why didn't they just declare the HBOS takeover unlawfull?

Smee. You haven't quite grasped the concept of group identity yet, have you, "Group Captain"?
3

Am Fògarrach,

03/11/2009 00:53:45
1 Group Captain AM2

"Why are people obsessed with sticking tartan and shortbread on to corporate ownership?

Not everyone is. Most Scots wish Scottish companies success so that they can pay taxes in Scotland.

You of course are obsessed with denigrating anything Scottish. You want nothing to succeed in Scotland. You must be really pround of yourself.
4

Wisnaeme,

03/11/2009 01:04:54
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Noble Investments eh?

Would this be the shower that had 'connections' to MiLud Angus Grossfart? You know, the fella that had his fingers in RBS and in oor wee speculitive 'land deal' that oor parliament squats on? Scottish and Newcastle was it? That wee deal that MiLud Fraser gave a nod, a wink and a funny hand shake of approval to during the big inquiry with the speculative debate amongst polite society?

...Shurely not.

Ah'd sup wae a lang spoon frae this kettle of cauld sowan porrige, Mr Swinney Sur. Thats for sure.

Independant whit? Aye right, ma @rse it wid be.

.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 01:13:54

Sorry to say, but true, Ben Thomson, is over a year too late, all too late to save Scottish Pride, where was he when our Banks were collapsing?, or anyone in matter of fact.









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The Answer,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 01:35:35
RBS Surpasses Citigroup as World’s Costliest Banking Bailout .

That will increase the amount received by Edinburgh-based RBS to about 45.5 billion pounds, more than the $45 billion pumped into Citigroup and Bank of America Corp.

At last, scotsland punched above it's weight!


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=ahcxjNVrDXyk

http://tinyurl.com/ydnhn8f
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 02:31:18

Pity the fact, that our Scottish Government had no power to be involed in the saving of our Scottish Banks, makes one wonder.




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03/11/2009 03:49:33
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Baggy Troosers,

03/11/2009 03:52:47
All the luck in the world to the Guy.

Lets hope Mandrake and his ilk (the WE cannae do it Brigade) are left to fester in their wee pool of Drivel.
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suileandubh,

03/11/2009 04:49:35
#1 Group Captain
the best of luck to the man. i hope he does it AND i hope he is very successful. at least he has vision for Sctland which is more than some of the folk who post on this site. what is it with some of you? Why do some of you just denigrate any effort to advance Scotland?
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suileandubh,

03/11/2009 04:53:33
#8 The Answer
I've never considered RBS to be a real Scottish Bank hence the 'R' in RBS, and as one of 3 (?) government owned banks dismally failed in the Uk, I have tended to see it as a Westminster driven bank. Edinburgh based has nothing to do with anything.
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Baggy Troosers,

03/11/2009 04:56:40
Its just a pity this newspaper and no doubt others have exposed his close links with Alex Salmond.

It leaves the door wide open for the Labour tribe and their support to do everything in their power to smear and discredit the guy.

Labour = Scotlands shame.
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 03/11/2009 05:21:36
Thought the SNP guy did quite well on Newsnight last night. He got the usual grilling from Glen Campbell. Kind of splitting hairs about where he was born. Does that really matter? So Labour have been in Glasgow north east for74 years? Time for a wee change I'd say. Hope the truly Scottish bank materialises, but don't really understand the machinations of it all.
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Temple,

Italy 03/11/2009 05:51:24
# 9 Pity the fact, that our Scottish Government had no power to be involed in the saving of our Scottish Banks, makes one wonder.
----------------------------------------------

yeah make one wonder why Scotland in the year 2009 A.D. is still not indipendent , make one wonder why people antiscottish want to involve all the times the scottish government when the news are bad .
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 03/11/2009 05:56:30
-- He might be involved in putting together a consortium of senior Scottish businessmen to bid for the branches, creating a genuinely Scottish "TSB Scotland"

Get involved! Do it! Or well come to gnip your heid,

Yok Finney : Finbar Marine
Mrs R. L. Inglis : Lecturer in Mathematics
Jim McCulloch : Precission Machinist and Goldsmith
Donald Mackay : Carpet Fitter
Sam MacKenzie : Slater; on and offshore Scaffolding
Murdo MacLeod : Carpenter, Stockman
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 03/11/2009 06:56:58
#1
It is called quality and honesty, unlike where you hail from. That is one of the biggest reasons for LEAVING THE DISUNITED kingdom.Have a nice day....
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Linda,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 07:59:48
Examples of how Gordon Brown failed to regulate the financial sector properly:

Brown’s recession as a result of his lack of regulation of the Banks will result in cuts of £2 billion a year to future Scottish government budgets.

In a speech Gordon Brown gave to the CBI Conference in 2005 he called for "limited" regulation and even suggested whether there should be regulation at all.

“The better, and in my opinion the correct, modern model of regulation – the risk based approach - is based on trust in the responsible company, the engaged employee and the educated consumer, leading government to focus its attention where it should: no inspection without justification, no form filling without justification, and no information requirements without justification, not just a light touch but a limited touch.

The new model of regulation can be applied not just to regulation of environment, health and safety and social standards but is being applied to other areas vital to the success of British business: to the regulation of financial services and indeed to the administration of tax. And more than that, we should not only apply the concept of risk to the enforcement of regulation, but also to the design and indeed to the decision as to whether to regulate at all. In the new legislation we will publish before Christmas we will make this risk based approach a statutory duty of the regulators."

The resignation of Sir James Crosby– one of the prime ministers key advisors - followed revelations that when he was chief executive of bank HBOS he sacked a whistleblower who warned that banks were heading for disaster. Sir James was knighted on the recommendation of the UK government, and later appointment as deputy chairman of the FSA.

The warnings by the HBOS whistle blower reflect similar warnings given to the FSA and the Prime Minister about Icelandic banks months before the UK Government took any action - and which is now seen as being so heavy handed it
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 09:00:42
The recently established Reform Scotland is a cobbled together collection of Scots Conservatives.

According to a few days old BBC news report, Thomson is still the Chairman of the Noble Group, one of the world's largest providers of finance for private education, health, and government infrastructure.

Reform Scotland acts as a voice for the muted Scots Tories, and in 2008 this Right-Wing pressure group called for the abolition of the Barnet Formula?

The demise of RBS and HBOS has created a financial vacuum which Ben Thomson through Reform Scotland is positioned to fill.

Reform Scotland wants to privatise Scottish education, health, and transport infrastructure. It has suggested toll roads and motorways the length and breadth of the country.

The chairman of the Noble Group has delusions of grandeur, and he is up against financial companies like the Tesco Bank.

I think I know which organisation Scots voters and savers would rather trust.

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ecosseman,

glasgow 03/11/2009 09:21:50
STRANGE WORLD REALLY

AS BIG BROON DESTROYED THE UK BANKS,HE HELPS SET UP A TRULY SCOTTISH BANK THROUGH THE BACK DOOR.
WHAT A FOOL HE IS.

BUT THANK YOU.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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union member,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 09:33:40
#20 - thanks for pointing to the true (Tory) nature of the so-called 'think tank' Reform Scotland. Yet -
"Mr Thomson is also known to be a close confidante of First Minister Alex Salmond..."

And they say the SNP isn't hand in glove with the Tories or big business!!!
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Davy,

big business 03/11/2009 09:53:36
The bosses of blue often think in terms of green and black, the colour
of money. Can’t the greedy sit down and shut up.
Resign and go somewhere pick their noses as profit per square inch is down. With taxes and production costs.
No one is making any profit. And if profit is made, it goes to the government in taxes or buying new computerized equipment, which puts millions of people out of work so they can make more profit which will put more people out of work. Luddites. Most factories are all computer run. Homosapiens? Nobody needs him. computers have taken over.

Homosapiens needs health care, sick pay, holiday pay, a salary, insurance, a house, a car, kids, a wife, a husband. The companies cannot afford that. So good=bye,homosapiens & hello computer. Welcome to virtual banking
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Alan B,

03/11/2009 10:00:51
#1 Group Captain Lionel Mandrake

It is called economics.

One of the reasons that Germany did so well post ww2 was down to the close relationship of its regional banking system and industry.

Banks have a role to play in the economy as a source of finance/captial for business. It is important to have the decision makers within scotland.

One of the aspects of the global economic is the arbitary nature of where capital is located. With subjective decisions taken by a manager half way round the world, about the future of offices and jobs.
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Darien,

Panama 03/11/2009 10:10:47
RBS and HBOS have both abused and discredited the very name of Scotland. That name should be taken away from both of these London-traded companies. In any other independent country it would be.

Perfidious albion however are quite happy for Scots to shoulder the global blame for much of the financial crisis, sheilding the real culprit - the City of London.

Union dividend? Quite the opposite (union deficit). Perfidious albion is more than content to discredit Scotland at any and every opportunity. Especially now the Scots are starting to speak, instead of squeak. Let Scots begin to shout.
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Darien,

Panama 03/11/2009 10:17:58
"Ben Thomson: Banker who wants to restore Scottish pride"

What pride is there in Scots voting for Scotland to be a mere downtrodden region of another nation? And a Scotland not recognised as a nation by any other nation? None.

Scottish pride is a lot more than any business. The only time Scottish pride will ever be fully restored is the day Scotland becomes an independent nation again. And that will be soon.
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DialMforMurdoX,

03/11/2009 10:52:42
#20 "The recently established Reform Scotland is a cobbled together collection of Scots Conservatives."

Really, it's no secret that Ben Thomson in his younger days was a Tory speechwriter, however the remaining members of Reform Scotland come from a broad spectrum of Scottish political and professional life.

Do you disagree with their aims and ambitions below?


Reform Scotland is an independent, non-party think tank that aims to set out a better way to deliver increased economic prosperity and more effective public
services based on the traditional Scottish principles of limited government, diversity and personal responsibility.


In the last year, the debate in Scotland has moved on from one about whether the Scottish Parliament should have additional fiscal powers to one about the extent of those powers and how they should be implemented.

If those additional fiscal powers are to have a real impact on the governance of Scotland and on the performance of the Scottish economy, they must be of
a scale that is great enough to address the fundamental defect of the current devolution settlement – its lack of financial accountability.

This can be achieved within the context of the UK if both the UK and Scottish Governments were to be responsible for raising the taxes required to fund their spending proposals, as recommended in Reform Scotland’s paper Fiscal Powers.

Reform Scotland calls for the work to commence on preparing the way for greater fiscal powers for the Scottish Parliament. This will enable implementation to quickly follow the political decisions that will be taken over the next year or two on the extent of fiscal devolution to Scotland. This must include, for example, preparing the draft legislation that will be required, business planning for the new institutions such as the Scottish Exchequer and further research into Government
expenditure and revenue in Scotland to establish, with greater certainty, the size of the Scottish tax
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DialMforMurdoX,

03/11/2009 10:55:14
#27 Cont'd

with greater certainty, the size of
the Scottish tax base and the tax revenues collected from Scotland.

There is also a need for parallel work to engage both politicians and important institutions in Westminster (such as HM Treasury) so that there is an increased
understanding at the UK level, as well as in Scotland, of the benefits to Scotland and to the rest of the UK of devolution of fiscal powers to Scotland.

Finally, the time has now come for the political debate in Scotland to include what the political parties would do with additional fiscal powers. In the run
up to the UK and Scottish Parliament elections, both of which will take place within the next two years, Scottish voters are entitled to know what each of the political parties in Scotland would do if given the power to tax as well as the power to spend.

Mr Broon, what would the Labour Party do with increased taxation powers?
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Ranald Newal,

03/11/2009 11:16:05
Darien@26,10:17:58
------------------
Negativity rarely leads to a positive outcome.
Set out on the path of negativity and expect your journey to end negatively.
People usually vote a certain way because they see a benefit to do so.
They are not doing so to be negative as you are trying to make out.
Use the positive to change these people’s minds.
Let positive knowledge set you free.
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Jock MacSprog,

03/11/2009 12:03:51
Ben's a nice guy, but I think he has let vague misplaced sentimentality go to his head. And there is no place for sentimentality in economics. What is he on about when he says "Scottish Bank" and "Scottish Bankers" ? Can only people born and still living in Scotland qualify ? What if your parents were born in England, France, Spain, but you in Scotland, are you a Scottish Banker ??? Will they only do business in Scotland with all Scottish funds, what ever that is ?? Its a goofy and totally illogical and unrealistic concept if it exists at all. Besides, Ben does not have the personal wealth or access to the funds needed to start a bank so its all a moot point.
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Jock MacSprog,

03/11/2009 12:11:27
its a sad commentary on the provincialism and small time nature of Scotland that a guy like this, a minnow is taken seriously by our biggest paper. Anywhere else in the world this would be considered a Walter Mitty like fantasy. It isnt 1850 anymore folks and Scotland is a small region in the North of Britain, thats all. Get over it.
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Geoff,

sa 03/11/2009 12:36:59
Either one accepts the reality of the Global Village or return to a drawbridge and moat mentality.

We live in a world where,amongst many other examples the mighty American Hummer-the essence of US military macho, is now owned by the Chinese!
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Scottish Girl,

edinburgh 03/11/2009 13:13:04
#6 Noble Grossart and Noble Group are VERY seperate entities.

The Noble boys and Mr Grossart did start up together, then they fell out and the Nobles set up on their own.

The Nobles are retired or dead now. Much like RBS and HBOS!

Ben Thomson has genius level intelligence, is a lovely man, devoid of malice, and whatever his politics is leading banking in the right direction. We need to ditch tartan banking though, it's so common.
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Macd123,

03/11/2009 13:16:07

We need companies headquartered here to pay tax and provide good quality jobs. It is not about being parochial or provincial.
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Ranald Newal,

03/11/2009 15:37:54
Scotland could do with more people like Ben Thomson.
Positive people with a vision to make a difference.
34

Kobi.,

03/11/2009 20:27:45
#20

You clearly have not bothered to read Reform Scotland's reports, yet every time they are mentioned you spring forth with your odious postings.

Methinks you admire them really.
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MacFloyd,

Union Kon 03/11/2009 21:27:43
Better they take the business down to London or off to China, because we Scots are smart enough to see that it's all global now. London's a dividend paying giant in the global village - and we're smart to have London run our country and spend 4 decades of our oil - so they can shove their plans to base a bank in Scotland up their parochial moat-minded asses.

Duh.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 03/11/2009 22:04:41
The Chancellor and Prime Minister, with Scotland's best interests at heart, have already sold the bank to TESCO, the other one is expected to go to Richard Branson.

I find it hard to believe that I read a poster asking, "What is a genuinely Scottish bank'?

That would be one which is owned by Lloyds of London?
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 03/11/2009 22:05:36
Sorry folks that should read- That would be one which is NOT owned by Lloyds of London?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 03/11/2009 22:31:59
-- Either one accepts the reality of the Global Village..

No, Geoff, we never lie down to bullies or the brothel-creeping City of London pirate gang. We organise, defend, fight and WIN for humanity.

All they have is money. And the *rses of their pin-striped breeks are getting gey thin.
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Brianwci,

16/11/2009 01:12:21
This would certainly be a huge step in the direction of restoring Scotland's reputation in the Finance Sector.

Best of luck to them.

 

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