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Published Date: 22 July 2008
THE Scottish Government faces "unprecedented" industrial action by its civil servants after they voted yesterday to strike over pay.
Members of the Public and Commercial Services union (PCS) in Scotland narrowly voted to strike after agreement could not be reached over their pay.

Industrial action would affect the Scottish Government and Registers of Scotland, but could spread
to other areas covered by the PCS. The move has been described by union leaders as unprecedented in terms of Scottish civil servants taking action alone.

Members of the PCS in Scotland have never taken industrial action before against the Scottish Government or its predecessors, the Scottish Executive and Scotland Office, although they have taken part in UK-wide strikes.

The dispute centres on the union's pay claim and follows the threat of action south of the Border by local government employees and civil servants. Other public sector unions in Scotland, including Unison, Unite and the GMB, are also balloting their 100,000 members who work in local government.

However, a PCS spokeswoman said the union was unlikely to wait for the others to announce the results of their ballots on 31 July, to announce their own day of action.

The PCS accused the SNP government in Holyrood of trying to push through the same 2 per cent cap on pay increases as that proposed by the Labour government in Westminster, which, it claims, is in effect a pay cut with inflation at 4.6 per cent.

The Scottish Government has said that it has offered a generous package, which would see a minimum 2 per cent rise, an average 4 per cent, and some low-paid workers receiving 20 per cent.

Eddie Reilly, the PCS Scottish secretary, said: "This is a majority decision over a minority government. In spite of daily pressures of rising food costs, travel, gas and electricity, PCS members in the Scottish Government and Registers of Scotland have demonstrated the strength of their anger over the proposed pay cut."

He also directly blamed the Scottish Government for the situation and warned it not to try to pass over responsibility to Westminster.

The Scottish Government pointed out that the results of the ballots were very close. There was a 54.3 per cent turnout in the Scottish Government ballot, with 931 members voting for strike action and 913 voting against, while in the Registers of Scotland ballot, there was a 55.5 per cent turnout with 338 members voting for strike action and 184 voting against.

WHAT NEXT

THE Public and Commercial Services Union now has a mandate to call a strike, even though the vote was tight.

It must give seven days notice and is likely to use this to put pressure on the Scottish Government to bring forward an improved offer. However, the Scottish Government is calculating that the close vote means many will not strike.

Another tactic for the PCS is to wait for Unison, Unite and the GMB to announce their ballot results for local government employees and go on strike with them. But PCS leaders have suggested they may take action sooner rather than later.



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  • Last Updated: 21 July 2008 10:17 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

AM2,

Scotland,UK 21/07/2008 23:46:42
“Members of the PCS in Scotland have never taken industrial action before against the Scottish Government.”

“He also directly blamed the Scottish Government for the situation.”

Hooray! Another historic first for the SNP and Saint Alex.
2

Free by '93,

22/07/2008 00:01:53
Congratulations to Alex Salmond. 15 years of independence later and the whole government is collapsing.

I almost wish we hadn't one our historic freedom all those years ago.
3

AM2,

Scotland,UK 22/07/2008 00:04:38
Do you mean "won"? Have education standards slipped over the last fifteen years?
4

Free by '93,

22/07/2008 00:06:07
I do mean won, but we are one nation once again.

Education has improved since we won our independence all those years ago in 1993. I am a relic of the Union dividend. But class sizes are 12 now.
5

Free by '93,

22/07/2008 00:07:13
Also AM2 don't bore me with any statistics on the SNP not winning Scotland it's freedom in 1993. I know in my heart of hearts we did.
6

AM2,

Scotland,UK 22/07/2008 00:09:33
I don't doubt you. But why only 12? Surely not that many people left to escape the post-independence "truth and reconciliation" inquisitions! ;-)
7

AM2,

Scotland,UK 22/07/2008 00:21:46
Re: "The Scottish Government pointed out that the results of the ballots were very close."

Rank hypocrisy. Cosla approved Local Income Tax by only 52 to 50 votes (a surprise result as disproportionately more Labour and Conservative members were absent) yet the SNP cynically trumpeted that as a resounding success.

Anyway, 931 to 913 is close, but 338 to 184 certainly isn't.
8

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 22/07/2008 00:26:27
LOL - what a pair comedy masters in posts 1-6.

Tweedle dum and tweedle dee.

9

AM2,

Scotland,UK 22/07/2008 00:31:30
#8 Dougie Douglas

Aha! A nationalist dares show face. That's quite brave of you.

Please feel free to comment on the article...
10

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 22/07/2008 00:37:19
AM2 you political troll that you are the London Government are committing fraud with inflation figures

Prey tell how is inflation below 4% well it is if you you use Flat Screen Tv's and Ipods as your measure

Meanwhile in the real world I look at fuel prices and food prices as a real measure

But of course I dont need to light or heat my home nor do I need to eat so I guess the you kay government must be right

as for the Strikers I hope they get 10% and bring Browns rotten ediface down
11

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 22/07/2008 00:47:36
I don't read the Scotsman that often - makes me feel depressed that in a modern democratic nation that the media can exhibit such blatant bias, but, - can regular readers tell me if such a headline was ever trumpeted as a Scottish Government firsts:-

'SNP Government in first Scottish Government Budget triumph'
12

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 22/07/2008 00:49:36
AM2, I would imagine that most nationailists have just scanned this article, read the first few posts, chortled and then gone of an read something more credible and meaty like the The Sun or The Record.
13

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 22/07/2008 00:51:13
It will be interesting to see how much we will notice civil servants going on strike. I'm sure the Registers of Scotland are really hard pressed registering land titles in this period of a housing slump.

That having been said, is it not the case that the Scottish Government is offering the same settlement as that being proposed by the UK Government. If I have read the article correctly, why is AM2 praising (rather sarcastically) 'another historic first for the SNP government' without heaping similar praise on the UK government.

I guess we will just have to cope with the loss of government penpushers for a wee while. I think most people in the real world will get on with their lives as usual.
14

Iainbroch,

Moary 22/07/2008 01:06:25
Could always give the pen pushers some honest work getting thier hands dirty on Community service schemes - I think that you will find that there willnot be a lot of sympathy for those who are comaparitively well paid with the majority of the Scottsih population!

Especially from those of us who actually have to get our hands dirty to make a living!Especially from those of us that are not so well compensated for our wage slavery with the holiday entitlements that the pen pushers receive.

I think the PCS like the Unionists need a reality check?
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22/07/2008 01:11:03
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Iainbroch,

Moray 22/07/2008 01:24:34
re15

In part you have an argument - my point is that whilst there are others of us on lower incomes and less than safe jobs - they will get no sympathy.They will be treated as a greedy and in some cases a politically motivated collective?
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22/07/2008 01:51:36
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The Trossachs Hasher,

22/07/2008 01:52:51
#16 - Public servants will be treated as a politically motivated collective?

Which government department do you work for?

We don't have politically motivated collectives where I am. We just have ordinary people who are about to be screwed by senior management hell bent on forcing through pay cuts to confirm with equal pay (in some cases a drop of £4000 per year), their jobs being changed around to fit in with new "job families" and being subject to "value chain analysis" to make sure we are all giving value for money.

But enough of this chat. I have to attend the next collective meeting of the petit bourgeoisie and proletariate around the office samovar to discuss which way the collective policy should go next to bring down the uncaring ruling classes.
19

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 22/07/2008 02:47:47
What is that the PCS does anyway?

Public and Commercial Services?

I always thought commercial services where the job of the private sector.

Maybe the Scottish government should look at contracting out these services to the private sector. It might be a way to get all those who will have their incapacity benefit cut back into employment.

Given that Parliament is about to go into recess, I would recommend that the Government wait until the recess is over before begining negotiations, maybe the jobs that PCS does is so unimportant no one will notice.
20

mr angry,

ayrshire 22/07/2008 07:08:13
Give them all 10% pay rise , with a 25% job reduction included. However is left will be laughing apart from the fact that they may have to do a weeks work.
Otherwise tell them to whistle, these clowns need to have a reality check, in the real world people are getting ZERO increase, or losing their jobs.
If they think they need more let them go and look for a better paid job. No more tax payers money available.
21

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22/07/2008 07:09:58
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Soosider,

Glasgow 22/07/2008 07:34:02
OK we have a Union that ballots for strike action and gets 50.5% supporting, in my long experience this is not and never will be a mandate for strike action. It is inevitable that support for strike dissipates as the date for strike action approaches, the key part of the ballot was that 72% voted for industrial action short of strike. In other words the workers would like more money but are not concerned enough to actually want to strike.
Confident forecast is that this "dispute" exists only in the minds of the union officials, who by going for a ballot for strike have effectively played too early there major card, the low turn out and the split vote will have en heartened the employers side, as clearly their is no stomach for strike. Expect it to be sorted with both sides claiming a good deal for.
The main question is why have the Union officials acted so poorly in the interests of their members, could they possibly have had another agenda?
23

Louis Catorze,

22/07/2008 07:36:37
Yeah, that's a good way of controlling inflation, wanting above inflation pay rises...

Idiots.
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22/07/2008 08:12:29
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Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 22/07/2008 09:52:04
I have to hand it to Tory boy AM, he was quick today!
26

monkey spanker,

edinburgh 22/07/2008 10:36:42
#13 & 14
The pay offer submitted by the Scottish government is very much a divide a rule stratagem as certain folk will benefit from it but many others will not; nothing new irrespective of who is in Government tbh. certainly dindn't expect the SNP to take a radical new stance on public sector pay, after all its the one area where Government feel they can at least have some control over especially since they cant manage the econonomy in a wider sense.

#13 & 14
i work for RoS and resent being called a pen pusher.
before you comment, maybe you should actually do a bit of reasearch as to what RoS does. The housing slump has not & will not affect us as People will always be buying & selling Property (not just houses).
But civil servants are always an easy target for all those who by dint of getting their hands dirty seem to think they are more worthy of decent pay rises and working conditions than ourselves. spurious argument & also you wont here civil servants dissing other workers in such a manner.

RoS is a small Agency in comparison to say DWP or HMRC & our impact on the great Scottish public may well be minimal if we strike, however it would impact on the legal profession, Banks and lenders etc.
27

Miss H,

22/07/2008 10:47:58
17 It is no longer true that public sector pay is lower than in the private sector - the private sector is where the real low paid jobs are now. And public sector workers also have the benefit of a pension which most employees in the private sector do not have.

Not that I am saying people should not take industrial action, they have every right to do that and I support workers having that right.

But realistically they are not going to get much support from the public on this.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 10:57:51
2% is a cut in real terms, with inflation at 4.6%.Governments and businesses will always try to tell their workers that they can't afford pay increases while awarding themselves fat salaries,bonuses and perks. They never have a problem finding the finances for Nuclear weapons and illegal wars either. The more we put up with it, the more they will walk all over us.
29

Skyrat,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 11:14:32

Us lot in the NHS got 2.75% this year. I'd cut your hand off for an average of 4%. The folk getting 2% are probably those on the highest wages, so a 2% increase is significant.

They've a cheek going on strike, most civil servants I've had to deal with are practically incompetent.
30

Matt there,

Somewhee 22/07/2008 11:59:21
Eddie Reilly, the PCS Scottish secretary, said: "This is a majority decision over a minority government."

Ah. So Eddie Reilly is playing politics!

Listen Eddie, and listen well. Labour Lost. Get over it, you fool, and stop playing politics with your members.

31

B Elter,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 12:01:44
I beleive that the registers were balloted on strike action b4 they had even seen the pay offer and that the offer they actually got was very reasonable. They really should wake up and smell the coffee because they have far better terms and conditions than us in the private sector.
32

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22/07/2008 12:33:33
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Vics35,

Edinburgh 22/07/2008 13:45:58
#30 - The folk getting 2% are probably those on the highest wages, so a 2% increase is significant.

Myself and a lot of others who are also an AO grade, are NOT on the highest wages so 2% is NOT a significant increase, works out to around £4.20 a week, not many in the current climate see that as an acceptable increase.

Before you all go assuming that all us Civil Servants are pen pushers, who gives the Ministers their information, who looks after their day to day diaries etc etc - that would be us admin staff and some of us actually do need to live and not be sitting here wondering whether to pay the gas or electricity bill that has risen 10-12% or to whether to put food on the table instead, we are not expecting the worlds highest offer but 2% just doesn't cover the cost of living.

If you want to see them on the hightest wages pushing pens go to the upturned expensive boat building at Holyrood where they give themselves 4%+ salary rises on top of a rise in expenses then ask yourself why the rest of us are fed up at their double standards.

Yes we have a job, yes we are lucky in that respect but do not stereotype us as pen pushers when we are not - remember its 2008.
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Gregor Addison,

Münster, Germany 22/07/2008 15:08:57
AM2 and Free By ´93 fast becoming the Cannon and Ball of these posts it seems. I wonder who writes their material?
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Gregor Addison,

Münster, Germany 22/07/2008 15:08:58
AM2 and Free By ´93 fast becoming the Cannon and Ball of these posts it seems. I wonder who writes their material?
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ThePeter,

Glasgae 22/07/2008 17:46:53
I'm in the PRIVATE sector
I had a 2% pay rise
I get a stakeholder pension (worthless)
and I earn under £20K
and I work DARN HARD
So NOBODY in the Public sector whine to me please....
37

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 15:18:03
37# You obviously don't realise that there are many people in the CivilService(cleaners,porters,messengers),
who earn a lot less than you. They're not whining to anyone, just standing up for their rights. Maybe you should do the same.


 

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