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Published Date: 09 February 2008
PATIENTS across Scotland are struggling to access psychological help for depression, with many forced to wait months to see a specialist, figures seen by The Scotsman reveal.
Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT), a talking therapy that helps to put problems in perspective and deal with anxiety, is regarded as a crucial method of treating mild to moderate depression, often without resorting to medication.

But figures fr
om Scotland's health boards show patients can wait up to six months for CBT, leaving doctors no option but to prescribe antidepressants.

The news came as the Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, warned that Britain was becoming the "true Prozac nation", increasingly reliant on antidepressants due to the government's "shameful neglect" of mental health services.

He committed his party to a guarantee of NHS treatment for mental health problems within 13 weeks.

Campaign groups in Scotland said some patients had been told they could wait up to a year or more for CBT on the NHS, leaving them no option but to seek private care at £90 an hour or more.

Figures show 3.65 million antidepressant prescriptions were issued in Scotland in 2006-7 – an increase of 125,764 on the previous year. A target has been set for NHS boards to cut the rise in antidepressant prescribing to zero by 2009-10. However, current indications are that doctors have little choice but to prescribe antidepressants owing to long waits for CBT.

Average waiting times for CBT towards the end of last year, revealed under freedom of information legislation, show wide variations in Scotland.

NHS Orkney said it had no waiting list for CBT, while NHS Forth Valley said it used a computer-based system to provide CBT for which there was no waiting list. But for patients needing face-to-face treatment, waiting times varied by up to five months as of November.

NHS Borders said that, between August and November last year, the average waiting time for psychological therapies, including CBT, was around six months.

Meanwhile, in NHS Highland, waiting times varied from 14 to 21 weeks. In NHS Dumfries and Galloway, those waiting for CBT could wait up to five months. Many of Scotland's largest health boards, including Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Lothian and Grampian, said they did not hold details of average CBT waiting times.

Ilena Day, chief executive of Depression Alliance Scotland, said: "In Scotland, the rate of antidepressant prescribing remains higher than in other parts of the UK, with depression being one of the most common reasons for visiting a GP. Despite this, resources invested in mental health remain inadequate."

The Scottish Government said: "We are working with NHS boards and partners to increase the availability of psychological therapies such as CBT."

'IT WAS A REAL LIFE-SAVER'
RUTH Lang, below, began suffering from depression more than 15 years ago.

Initially, she was lucky enough to have a psychiatrist who was an expert in CBT, and she described the treatment as "a life-saver".

However, she has recently discovered that she could have to wait six months or more to access the service again, and she knows of patients facing even longer waits around Scotland.

Ms Lang, from Livingston, West Lothian, said: "I started suffering depression in 1991. It was pretty severe, but luckily my psychiatrist was also an expert in CBT and was able to use that with me.

"It makes you feel you are more in control of your life. I feel better because I feel I have something I can use to control a problem."

Ms Lang, 52, who now works for the Depression Alliance Scotland, told how the charity had received calls from people who were worried they would have to wait between six and 18 months for CBT, and said it was a problem across Scotland.



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  • Last Updated: 08 February 2008 10:58 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 00:14:39
And you wonder why the Scots ...'Hit-The-Bottle'
'Home-cure-is-better-than-NO-cure'

Now wheres my 'Glass'..:-))
Purley medisinal..you ..understand! :-D
2

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 00:16:06
And you wonder why the Scots ...'Hit-The-Bottle',?
'Home-cure-is-better-than-NO-cure'

Now wheres my 'Glass',??..:-))
Purley medisinal..you ..understand! :-D
3

AJ Fife,

09/02/2008 00:23:34
Jeezo, it's enough to make you slit your wrists!
4

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 00:50:45
#3 AJ Fife,
"Jeezo, it's enough to make you slit your wrists!"

Dinny Do that, Go find your Glass! afterall I am watching 'The Birds' Movie 1963 on ITV3, how do you think I feel.?? :-D
5

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 00:59:01
And this was well before.. 'The Bird Flu' was as,
'Noddy wasn't a Puppet'
Wheres my..'Shotgun'.. 'OH' I remember! I don't have one!
Would I really want to shoot my 'flat-screen'..anyhow.?
Now wheres My Glass.?? :-DD
6

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 01:22:11

Genres:
Horror
Director:
Alfred Hitchcock
Writers:
Daphne Du Maurier (story)
Evan Hunter
Composer:
Bernard Herrmann (as consultant)
Director of Photography:
Robert Burks

Review:
Hitchcock's classic about a woman (Hedren) and mass bird attacks that follow her around isolated California community. Not for the squeamish; a delight for those who are game. Hold on to something and watch. Script by Evan Hunter, loosely based on Daphne du Maurier's story.

Trivia:
Hitchcock tried to hire Joseph Stefano (writer of Psycho) to write the script, but he wasn't interested in the story.

Hitchcock spotted Tippi Hedren in a diet drink commercial.

The scene where Tippi Hedren is ravaged by birds near the end of the movie took a week to shoot. The birds were attached to Tippi's clothes by long nylon threads so they could not get away.

The film does not finish with the usual "THE END" title because Hitchcock wanted to give the impression of unending terror.

'Aye' you Right there Pal! that.. 'Bird-Flu'

Now where's my Glass.??

7

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 01:45:17
"PATIENTS across Scotland are struggling to access psychological help for depression, with many forced to wait months to see a specialist, figures seen by The Scotsman reveal."

Enough of my cynicism's!, because I DO know what depression brings, after suffering it, for more than 4years, (this was, time ago for me), the problem with Depression, it NEVER Truly leaves you, it is a very lonely place to-be!
Its NO Joke!
But sometimes if you are like me and have gone through depression,,the.. 'fight-back' maybe in the translation in my above 'Mad' Comments!
Please NO-ONE be offended, but Depression is a terrible state to be in, I NEVER got any help!
(Help) I wish it had been there for me at the time, but ..'NO'
I had to find ways, or should I say, my mind and Body found ways, of 'fighting depression' on its own!
How much better would it have been, if at the time this,, waiting game to get,
"access psychological help for depression,"
Would have been!
8

Mist001,

Marseille 09/02/2008 05:06:59
Depression is a terrible illness or state of mind to be in, but the worst thing about it is the stigma. It's embarrassing to tell someone that you're suffering from depression. I'm here in France and the way depression works, is it makes you think you're being rational. I've only been outside the house once since December. I have everything to live for, my son was born in November, I have a partner who would do anything for me and she tries to. I'm living in the South Of France. What could possibly go wrong?

And here's me sitting here right now, afraid to leave the house and sitting here drinking whisky and Coke and beer at 5am in the morning after having taken 1200mg of Equanil. Don't worry, it's not an overdose or cry for help. The hallucinations are quite interesting though. She's asleep and the baby is crashed out in his cot too, but for the life of me, it looks like she's sitting here next to me doing her stuff on her laptop, but it's only out the corner of my eye! Turn round and there's nobody there!

It's easy to dismiss mental illness as a laughable problem, all they need is a good kick up the backside. If only it was that easy.

The irony is, that I left Edinburgh to have our son born in France and now I'm hitting these somewhat irrational (although very, very real problems to me), I'm having to phone Edinburgh to get help!!

Sorry for droning on, but it was good to let me show other people, the other side of the coin.

Michael.
9

doublescotch,

U.S.A 09/02/2008 05:22:08
#6 Charles, Love. after all that ravishing by the "Birds" Miss Hedren did not have one hair out of place:0 When Alfred Hitchcock tried to ravish Miss Hedron she gave him the bum's rush,he screamed you will never work in movies again. she didn't!
DOW:)
10

doublescotch,

U.S.A. 09/02/2008 05:34:51
#8 Michael. Please do not drink and take anti-depressants. That is the worse thing in the world you can do. Please seek help as soon as possible. Your partner and baby will be lost without you. You have no idea the lose you would be to them and everyone that cares for you.
DOW (darling old wife)
11

doublescotch,

U.S.A 09/02/2008 05:41:53
#8 Michael. someone very precious to me committed sucide in '90 we are still grieving.Please you have so much to live for
12

Nova, ,

09/02/2008 07:56:47
#8 Michael that is all very sad. I hope you can get it all sorted. You should pop over here for a couple of days and experience the cold, the wind and the rain. Then when you return to France you will realise what a great move you made.
13

eric,

Lothian 09/02/2008 08:42:04
My brother has suffered depression since he was 13yrs old ,Now in his 40s,Mum dided 2 yr ago and he is struggling.And been diagnosed Bi polar,I feel so sorry for him but the only person that can help him is himself .Im there for him anytime ,But it Grinds me down and i have to take to my bed, it makes me feel ill.So i understand ,All his junkie neighbours are on TOP dla ,I made him apply because hes entitled ,And has a diagnosed illness,They refused him,
14

Drover,

Magical Moray Firth 09/02/2008 10:21:44
http://www.samaritans.org/
08457 909090
24/7 Listening.
15

Gothic Rose,

09/02/2008 10:40:12
Subject=Depression
Well, its got Charles back on the rant.Can`t be all bad
Micheal, what you are ingesting is your choice.
Rulesbutnotrulers,"What ever happened to that"Nothing.
Nova,Moving soon?
Drover,Yes,they need you, more than you need them.
Depression,the other side of the coin.
16

Nova, ,

09/02/2008 11:11:35
Gothic . . No. Why? Whats it to you you brain dead idiot?
17

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 11:48:29
#16 Gothic Rose, Maybe if it wasent for my 'rant' at the start, #8 Mist001, would have not opened their heart out.
I think Men find it difficult to talk about depression as everyone expects us to have 'no-feelings' and be some kinda 'rock' or something, believe me, this is NOT True, we DO Feel, and can 'hurt-a-lot'
#8 Mist001, Please listen to #10 doublescotch and the rest of us on here,
'You ARE a VERY important Daddy to your Baby, the only one Baby has! and Partner to Baby's Mother.
I find the exact same, in a sense at the moment, with the trama of trying to provide my DYW with a 'Baby', something I would do anything to be in your shoes #8 Mist001.
Something I think Men should not 'talk-about', afterall why should Men feel 'Anything' about Baby's.?
Well let me tell you WE DO, many a time, while alone, I have been 'in tears' about it!
But who can we speak to?
Everyone would think us Daft!

I goota Go for a bit, DYW wants my 'butt' out of here!
18

Gothic Rose,

09/02/2008 12:35:49
19.Nova. Not a lot.So long as your happy for now.xxx
19

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/02/2008 15:09:15
Charles Linskaill

What IS your rant about and how did Alfred Hitchcock and Tippi Hedren get into this thread?

Charles, old chap, are you off your Prozac AGAIN?!? (joke)

I think it unreasonable and "dreaming in technicolour' for the NHS boards to airily say that they will reduce the increase in antidepressant prescriptions to 0% by 2009/10.

This is arrant nonsense and they KNOW it. It looks good on paper and may save their asses but it is one of the most foolish predictions I have read emanating from your NHS in years.

It shows a lack of objectivity, application of trends and raw data, and a callous disregard for statistics.

Where do they find these "boards" and what are their qualifications, if any?

If there are any "medical" professionals on these boards they must be over self-medicating, on the bottle, or just plain stupid. What with the way world and UK economies are going and weather changes and the war on terrorism I have indicated only three of the factors that may send Scots into a tailspin that will require psychiatric help and the use of anti-depressants.

But don't tell that to these "esteemed" boards because they THINK they know everything. They know nothin'.
20

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 09/02/2008 18:14:27
#21 Tim, It was the scenario at the time of writing what I did, feeling in the mental state of solitude, I turned to Television for some antidepresive relief,
There was 'rack-all-on' , then I was presented with'
'The-Birds' ..Film!
I mean to say, albeit I saw the 'madness' of this film, looking back on it, it has its amusing side.
But at 1.30 in the Morning.? I ask who needs that kinda thing on TV.?
I should of put on my DYW's CD collection of,
'Jim Reeves'
'What Joy'..!!
I would have been..'Well-Depressed' then! :-((
DYW,,Likes ..'Jim Reeves'.? you may ask!,,,(yes)
Anyway after an afternoon, being 'Dragged Round' like a
'Puppy-Dog'....shopping!.. I am NO LONGER Depressed just!
'WELL-STRESSED' :-))
Mind you, if it weren't for her, I recon I would have been 'History',,years ago!
Depression isn't a good place to be! I was lucky, but you have to watch out for the signs, when depression starts to..'raise its ugly head', because, in total it NRVER leaves you.
21

DrP,

Calgary, Canada 09/02/2008 23:59:47
I can't believe the number of posts on this blog which tend to trivialise depression. It's not just 'feeling down'. It's a very destructive illness.
Yes, we should talk about it and not succumb to any stigma. I'm a doctor and have depression. My only embarrassment was that I didn't know what was happening to me. It's frightening. Booze helps in the short term as long as you stay drunk, but it's certainly no solution.
22

brian mcc,

the arctic 10/02/2008 00:04:43
Depression is a wicked imbalance of chemistry and the mental perception of outlook towards life. Mist001, get up and go outside for a walk...you had a paternal father, doesn't your son deserve the same?

Realize that you can be powerless against the beast. If CBT does not help, options are few. In July I was researching the life,treatment and eventual suicide of Ernest Hemingway. He claimed the electric shock therapy permanently damaged him beyond repair. I sought help and got it after a delay of 3 years because of a feeling 'I can fight this thing myself...'

Hemingway wrote 'suicide is like a woman you can flirt with all you want, but you can only take her to bed once.'

If you must watch a movie, try 'Old Man and the Sea' with Spencer Tracy, not 'The Birds' by Hitchkock.
23

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 10/02/2008 03:01:24
#23 DrP,Calgary!
NO WAY was I trivialising on this subject,,far from it!
But at least I have got the Men talking about Depression!
Something we feel ashamed of, cant talk to anyone about, but IS really ..'very real' for some of us!
24

DrP,

Calgary 10/02/2008 03:32:02
Dear Charles Linskaill
Sorry, I must have mis-interpreted.
I talk freely about my depression because it was so devastating. I refused to be embarrassed about the condition, but before it happened to me I thought that at least a doctor would realise what was happening to himself. Unfortunately the condition produces such a distortion of thought that any sufferer of it needs help. I have been unable to stop the anti-depressants owing to recurrence every time I've tried.
I do hope the NHS can make CBT widely available as it is the only alternative to medication.

 

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