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Devolution event axed 'due to lack of interest'



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Published Date: 30 August 2008
THE commission set up to look at the future of devolution in Scotland has had to cancel its first public event due to lack of interest, critics have claimed.
The Calman Commission – set up by Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories to look at new powers for the Scottish Parliament – was due to meet the public in Stirling on Monday.

But yesterday the event was suddenly cancelled. After repeated requests fo
r an explanation The Scotsman was told: "A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

The SNP – which is examining greater powers through its National Conversation – said the real reason was that few Scots were interested in talking to the Commission's members and suggested the forum had been "humiliated". A spokesman for the Calman Commission refused to comment on this.

Chaired by Sir Kenneth Calman, the Commission has been under constant attack from the Nationalists, who have accused it of being a self-selecting, closed group who, unlike the National Conversation, have failed to try to get the views of ordinary people.

They have also questioned why it will not look at the question of independence but only at increasing powers in the devolution settlement.

The invitation-only event at the Tolbooth arts centre in Stirling was going to be the first attempt to meet the public, although the commission has asked for responses on its website.

The event was set to emulate a tour of Scotland recently carried out by the Scottish Cabinet as part of the National Conversation.

A Scottish Government source said: "It comes as absolutely no surprise that members of the Calman Commission have had to cancel their trip to Stirling because of lack of interest.

"Not content with excluding the option of independence from their discussions, the Unionist parties have been determined to exclude the people from talks on their country's future – the commission has been nothing more than a group of politicians talking to each other behind closed doors."

He said the cancellation was "an enormous humiliation for the Commission and added that the contrast with the "open, inclusive nature" of the SNP Government's National Conversation could not be starker.

"It has captured the imagination of people the length and breadth of Scotland, with more than 425,000 hits on the Scottish Government website, while hundreds of members of the public packed out town halls to hear Cabinet ministers at the recent events held around the country," he said.

But a commission spokesman insisted the reason was that some preparations, in particular the analysis of submissions from interest groups, could not be completed in time.

He added: "The commission has a serious task ahead of it in exploring the experience of Scottish devolution and it is determined to make sure its engagement programme and work is as effective as possible."

It will now have its first meeting with the public in Glasgow in a fortnight and the Stirling event will be rescheduled.

BACKGROUND

THE Calman Commission was the brainchild of Wendy Alexander, not long after she became leader of the Labour Party at Holyrood.

Her plan was to have a rival body to the SNP government's National Conversation looking at the devolution settlement ten years after it was agreed.

The SNP claimed that the proposal from Ms Alexander was intended to distract attention from an investigation into her leadership campaign donations which was beginning at the time and ultimately led to her resigning over the summer.

However, unlike the National Conversation, the proposal was supported in the Scottish Parliament and voted through with a budget with backing from the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

But the commission's remit specifically did not allow it to look at the independence question.

Sir Kenneth Calman was chosen to chair it and its membership includes politicians from the main Unionist parties along with business, religious, youth and union representatives.







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  • Last Updated: 29 August 2008 9:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Col. Blimp­IV*,

30/08/2008 00:00:05
Like Margo McDonald once said :

"Whoever heard of anyone celebrating DEVOLUTION DAY"?
2

Senga Jean,

30/08/2008 00:02:34
I would celebrate "INDEPENDENCE DAY"
3

Resolutions,

30/08/2008 00:06:06
Calman Commission? Who?

Devolution - got it

Independence - now you are talking!
4

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

30/08/2008 00:07:36


Well, what can we say.......

Rudderless, exclusive and by the looks of thwarted by it's own staff despite receiving well over £500,000 of tax payers money.

Breathtaking


5

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:10:27
I suppose it's a bit like "Britishness Day"

No one showed any interest in that apart from the BNP.

Roll on Independence Day - I can't wait!!
6

Col. Blimp­IV*,

30/08/2008 00:10:34
#2
Senga Jean

It's a date then...we just need to arrange the place.

Do think we should invite the Unionista's...I will probably be drunk and drunks do like to point and laugh.
7

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:12:44
From The Telegraph.

"Official figures showed that central government spent a total of £391 million on advertising, marketing, PR and other presentational work in 2007-08.

The total is up by £53 million on the previous year, when it was £338 million - a rise of almost 16 per cent.

When he took office last year, Mr Brown pledged a new sort of politics and sought to distance himself from his predecessor, who was frequently accused of being too heavily involved in spin and presentation."

Yet more lies Comrade Broon????

When's the next relaunch, Comrade????
8

danielrober,

30/08/2008 00:14:44
Neglect on one side - Lie on the other.
9

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:14:52
From The Times

"Business leaders sought urgent clarification from Alistair Darling last night on the rules around corporate tax after Regus, the office rental group, became the third company in as many days to say that it was quitting Britain for more a favourable tax regime."

An independent Scotland could attract businesses like this if we run our own country.

It's time

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland.
10

danielrober,

30/08/2008 00:16:28
Alec.S's Shout and bores attack on debate seems to be working. It's a sad day for Scotlands keepers. Very poor.
11

An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 00:18:26
This is hilarious. Who exactly did they say they represent? An "invited audience" and no one wants to come. NUMPTIES!!! Hoo Haar
12

danielrober,

30/08/2008 00:18:28
# 9 Jimmy Le Pie

Your nuts. International Socialisum mixed with Thatcherisum. You guys need to stop and think about what you are doing. The tax base can not take that kind of punishment.
13

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:25:23
#12

So we let firms go overseas then??

Very New Labour Sleaze!
14

danielrober,

30/08/2008 00:31:43
# 13

Private companies can move where they like its called freedom to trade. What we are meant to do is make these islands profitable and welcoming to them so they employ people here. It called free enterprize, it works.
15

Jwil,

30/08/2008 00:32:36
An "invitation only" meeting to hear the views of the public.


Intrepret: An exclusive group trying to obtain the the views of an exclusive group.

Hell mend them.

Now over to the Guardian to read how Darling said that the public were "pissed off by the Labour party".
16

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 00:37:39
#14

As an obvious New Labour Sleaze voter, it looks like I'll have to spell it out for you.

As an independent nation we can set our own tax rates and offer incentives to firms to locate and prosper in Scotland. Ireland manage that fine. So can we

Vote SNP for a fairer society.
17

Stefan Mack,

Elgin 30/08/2008 00:42:23
just like the parcel o rogues who signed scotland's freedom away in a dingy cellar centuries ago, this cabal of unionists are no different, lecturing to the people and giving them no voice.

a national disgrace.
18

Col. Blimp­IV*,

30/08/2008 00:42:44
Attention Cybernats

The First Friday after Independence.

Assemble 8.00pm Concourse in front of Dynamic Earth.

Aperitifs.

Waive to Victorious FM on balcony of Parliament Building.

Patriotic Sing-a-Long.

Re-enactment of The Storming of the Bastille (march on Hootsmon Towers) To liberate the Truth - held in chains in the dungeons beneath that Last Bastion of Britishness).

Afterwards Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth will be holding a drink till you drop reception, at The Palace of Holyrood - bring your own bottle(s).
19

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 30/08/2008 00:47:38
Nobody interested in showing up to defend the union. Surely you jest, no PTBS, no AM2, no one? I am ashamed of our unionistas.

Perhaps that is the reason behind the following

YouGov Poll for Daily Telegraph
Westminster Parliament
Scottish Results
August 26-27 2008


Vote:

SNP 40
Labour 28
Conservatives 18
LibDem 12
Other 2




Seats (according to Electoral Calculus)

SNP 42
Labour 9
Conservatives 3
LibDem 5
20

Conan the Librarian™,

30/08/2008 00:55:39
A missed chance for the Hootsmon surely?

Not interested in devolution?

Well Independence is...er not devolution...

...Kind of spin.
21

dude,

wishaw 30/08/2008 00:56:46
Seats (according to Electoral Calculus)

SNP 42
Labour 9
Conservatives 3
LibDem 5

do you think Mr Grey will still think he can be first minister after that result. i feel there are are great deal of people undecided as yrt about the SNP but as time goes on and these clowns keep it up the result above can happen, the sky is the limit!
22

Guga II,

Rockall 30/08/2008 00:58:49
"The invitation-only event at the Tolbooth arts centre in Stirling was going to be the first attempt to meet the public".

Only the Unionists would consider an invitation-only event as "meeting the public". Then again, only the Unionists would consider it normal to sell out their own country.

Unionists - Parcel of rogues.
23

Darien,

Panama 30/08/2008 01:00:02
"THE Calman Commission was the brainchild of Wendy Alexander"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..................
24

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30/08/2008 01:01:30
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

30/08/2008 01:17:14
My submission to the Calman Commission.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbUYJfbZ-Qc
26

Vivas,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 01:28:12
Wish I'd got an invite, plebs not welcome obviously.

Calman chair: Questions from the floor please ?
Floor: Aye, to the spotty ginger heided gadgy than won Big Brother...
Calman chair: What is your question ?
Floor: Who's gonna win it this year then ?

27

Oldnat,

30/08/2008 01:35:03
#17 Stefan

Not in a "dingy cellar", bt in the Earl of Moray's Summer House. The building still exists moved to the back of Moray House in the Canongate. It's used to store redundant artifacts, and the dustbins are alongside. Rather appropriate.
28

Brian Hill,

30/08/2008 01:41:20
What an embarrassment. Unionist morale must be through the floor by now.

An emphatic win in Glenrothes will surely be the tipping point from which there is no return for Unionism.

29

An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 01:51:07
25Col. Blimp IV*, 30/08/2008 01:17:14

Here's mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF7JfqWCZnc
30

Oldnat,

30/08/2008 01:51:11
"It (Calman Commission) will now have its first meeting with the public in Glasgow in a fortnight".

What public? Will they publicly list the people they invite to attend?
31

Wisnaeme,

30/08/2008 02:40:31
Lack of interest?
No, it isn't a lack of interest that's the main problem.
A lack of sincerity by the advocates of the Calman Commission, perhaps is nearer to the truth of the matter.
But I'm suggesting the root of this "discussion's" problem is folk feel, with good cause that they are being manipulated. That issues of concern are being controlled by folk embarked on a damage limitation exercise with self interest as their main motivation. By the same folk who accept very little responsibility for their past actions beyond an occasional platitude of lessons were learned.
How can folk trust or put faith in the political powers that be when they are so blatantly denied accountability from these very same posturing creatures offering quasi-democracy in the form of "discussion"? Let the people discuss, indeed. Is there no end to their duplicity?
This UK government has lost the respect of the majority of the governed in whatever part of the Union it governs and not just in Scotland. Folk were dismayed by Tory sleaze and incompetence whilst they were in office and thought things would get better under Blair. They haven't and it's gone from bad to worse under Brown.
This "discussion" is being promoted by the very people who have not only brought the Westminster, UK parliament into disrepute but tainted the Scottish parliament as well by their administrations. There is no doubt what so ever that the Union is in deep jeopardy not merely because there is now competent, trustworthy and accountable governance in Scotland but also because those qualities are sadly lacking else where, in another place. In the end, folk will be driven away by default to seek independence from what UK governance and Westminster has become.
.
32

Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 30/08/2008 03:22:23
The Calman Commission

Slim chance, omits moan. (anag.)
33

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 30/08/2008 03:45:23
Danielrober tells us all about negatives of a future Independant Scotland. He harps on about free enterprise and its choice to locate where it pleases. Yes we all realise this Danielrober, very basic economics you would think, but have a look at what mega business has done for most of the countries around the world. They take but never put back in thanks to Westmonster type politicians who are in big business pockets.

Alistair Darling has just come out and informed the Guardian New Labour Mouthpiece that we are in the biggest recession since 1948. 1948 for these islands was a time of rationing and abject poverty for the bulk of people in the so called UK. He has admitted that people will not vote for New Labour because people are in his words "Pis s ed" of with them.(Sorry but the Hootsman doesnt allow words used by the Chancellor of the Exchequor).

He estimates that 2 million people will be unemployed by Christmas and there is little chance of this turning round in the medium future.

Britain is broke thanks to New Labour supporting Big Business without concentration on encouraging a good small business core economy. At least Alex Salmond had the foresight to see this happening and cut costs for 180,000 small business's in Scotland.

Scotlands only real hope is to break up the UK, and go it alone with our healthier economy and Oil Reserves to support us through the upcoming hardtimes.

Its Time to get on the Liferafts and look after our own kind. We need to cut the rope and cast England adrift, to their own fate.
34

Willie Macleod,

Wick 30/08/2008 04:11:59
#33 Liferafts and our own kind. Such Imagery

A Better Way what do you mean our own kind.?


Humanity is our own kind
35

Sean K,

Elgin 30/08/2008 04:27:43
For years now, New Labour, Lib-Dems and Tories have parroted the line that "there is no wish or interest in Independence on the part of most of the Scottish people - they just want better devolution" !

Well, - now we see how enthused the Scots are about 'improved devolution' . Even an invitation only event cannot muster an audience.

And why is it by invitation only ? Because the hand-picked unionist members of the Calman Commission are scared of ever being confronted by the Scottish people they claim to speak for !!!
36

An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 05:19:33
34Willie Macleod, Wick 30/08/2008 04:11:59

Wullie - ye mean your no wan ae us? You'd prefer tae be a member ae the New (Neo-Con) World Order? Some ae us would rather govern oor ain country than to abdicate that responsibility to some cabal far away and furth ae Scotland. But there's nae accountin for taste and there's nane as qu**r as folk.

(not allowed tae yase that word!)


37

An Beal Bacht,

30/08/2008 05:19:58
34Willie Macleod, Wick 30/08/2008 04:11:59

Wullie - ye mean your no wan ae us? You'd prefer tae be a member ae the New (Neo-Con) World Order? Some ae us would rather govern oor ain country than to abdicate that responsibility to some cabal far away and furth ae Scotland. But there's nae accountin for taste and there's nane as qu**r as folk.

(not allowed tae yase that word!)


38

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30/08/2008 07:00:18
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1745,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 07:36:11
27#
Wrong! that is where it was supposed to be signed. However, the Edinburgh Mob made them run fo their lives and it was indeed signed in a cellar in Mylnes Square (No longer extant) which stood at the top of what is now Cockburn Street.
40

donald anderson it's me,

weegieland 30/08/2008 07:45:56
Waht have the Three Stooges got to say aboot this then?
41

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 30/08/2008 07:53:19
The unionists could not organise a party in a BREWERY. How the hell do they expect us the SCOTTISH PEOPLE to believe anything they say. In the words of the prophet; THEY ARE FOULKED!!!! Have a nice day YALL!
42

Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 07:58:07
It wasn't the calman commission who said they "had to cancel its first public event due to lack of interest, critics have claimed."


"The SNP said the real reason was that few Scots were interested"

what was actually said by the calman commisison was

"A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

but then the drones were ordered out again to flood the media with their 'Ridiculous' claims again.



425,000 hits has been done to death even the dogd in the street know that was from a handful of unique I.P addresses Most of from the sad sacks above.
43

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 08:00:01
You could NOT make this up. Are we being told that Liebour could not even get a few of their placemen to attend? This is what Liebour usually does; like the "ecstatic" welcome received in Downing Street by Bliar and Hecate in 1997.
Calman-Liebour has no real alternative but to open future meetings to we interested members of the public. Like that is going to happen!!

Yet ANOTHER humiliation for the already totally disgraced and discredited Wendy.
44

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 08:03:19
#42
Comment 43 is entirely my own and NOT at the behest of anyone or any organisation. I suspect however you cannot say the same.
45

Red Etin,

30/08/2008 08:04:49
If nobody celebrated 300 years of union....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/may/01/scotland.devolution1

...that gives a message about living under UK rule.

Devolution Day? Naw. Lets call it "Slippery Slope Day".

We're on our way down the "slippery slope" to Independence. The sooner we get there the better.



46

gus1940,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:16:20
Why doesn't The Canute Commission call an open public meeting in Glenrothes once the campaign starts and invite the TV companies.

Why not if they are so confident that anything they eventually come up with will be supported by the electorate.
47

Nikostratos,

30/08/2008 08:21:51
#45



· January 16 1707: Scottish parliament, meeting in Edinburgh, ratifies the Treaty of Union by 110 votes to 69

and again in 2010..2011..2012..2013..2014 and forever and ever the 'Union.


Oh! and do yourself a favour and get an up to date story
48

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 08:28:33
#47
And the 1707 referendum result was?
At least in 2010 the people of Scotland will be asked.
The 1707 "ratification" by the then Scottish Parliament has all the validity of a Mugabe edict!
49

brownlie,

30/08/2008 08:29:49
42 Nikos

Nikos, old chum, I fear for our union.

If, despite publishing the time-table a month ago, we cannot organise a wee meeting because "a small number of the necessary preparations could not be completed in time" how can we hope to organise the future direction of our country?
50

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:30:18
No-one came 'cause no-one's bothered. Apart from the usual frothing Nats on here, the MAJORITY are quite happy with the status quo. Accept and weep! LOL
51

beckypumps1,

Fife (soon to be liebour free) 30/08/2008 08:32:58
Calman Commission what a joke.
52

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 08:39:35
#50
As usual you choose to miss the point. Had the Calman-Liebour event been open to others apart from placemen, there WOULD have been a massive turn-out.

ANYONE, unionist or Scottish nationalist, saying that the majority of Scots are happy with the status quo either does not live in Scotland or has been comatose these past few years. A change from the status quo is one of the few things unionists and Scottish nationalists agree on!
53

Linda,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:42:24
A. Darling in Guardian to-day says about Labour "People are pissed off with us."

Wendy Alexander, the former Scottish Labour leader, is "not likable at all"
54

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 08:42:59
Morning Nats-yous are all up early today with, it would seem, nobody to talk to as there appears not to be any Unionists about the shop! Agree the Calman commision is a waste of time-what is needed is a UK wide constitutional Commission involving all parties discussing all options. In the meantime, I am reminded of Python-you're all a snotty nosed little heap of parrot droppings, so there!! AND the independence debate is becoming a little tiresome-I doubt whether I will ever convince any of you the misguided to see the light! Again i recall Python" They go on and on and on about how many languages Mr Powell can speak and how..."
Forgotten the rest. Hope u are all well!
55

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 08:42:59
Morning Nats-yous are all up early today with, it would seem, nobody to talk to as there appears not to be any Unionists about the shop! Agree the Calman commision is a waste of time-what is needed is a UK wide constitutional Commission involving all parties discussing all options. In the meantime, I am reminded of Python-you're all a snotty nosed little heap of parrot droppings, so there!! AND the independence debate is becoming a little tiresome-I doubt whether I will ever convince any of you the misguided to see the light! Again i recall Python" They go on and on and on about how many languages Mr Powell can speak and how..."
Forgotten the rest. Hope u are all well!
56

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30/08/2008 08:45:34
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 08:51:07
Could it be that the vast majority of Scots are simply content with the present Devolution status quo and have little interest in politicians talking about the obvious?
58

GM,

30/08/2008 08:54:01
@13

Scotland already has a better business rates regime than England and Wales (SBBS and void relief) -

Think what we could do if we had real fiscal autonomy to attract more business.

Isn't it strange that the worst effects of the 'credit crunch' haven't yet hit scotland (other than indirectly due to decisions taken south of the border).
59

GM,

30/08/2008 08:55:58
@56
I thought she had already turned down the opportunity to stand?
60

GM,

30/08/2008 08:56:31
It would appear not.
61

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:01:16
#52 MacGillicuddy

Maybe in the wee backrooms where all you Nats froth and gnash it's a huge issue, but among normal people the subject of the relative powers of the Scottish parliament is not exactly the hot topic du jour. 'Oh look, the Calman Commission roadshow, let's make a family day out of it!' Not.
62

Steve,

Glenrothes bound 30/08/2008 09:02:44
Fellow nats, enough talk about Glenrothes, how about actually getting there? Like now!!
It's not on the moon, there's a dual carriageway all the way there... The campaign has begun, candidate, offices, printing etc, and the SNP should be pressing home its advantage. Get stuck in. Leave Labour to faff about selecting their candidate.. and having "commissions" about things.
63

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:04:12
61 Draco -followed by an evening at an insurance seminar to top of a perfect day! :)
64

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Steve,

Glenrothes bound. 30/08/2008 09:09:38
Yeah right I'm going to knock doors until my knuckles bleed.
66

brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:09:48
61 Draco 63 Geoff

Morning, fellow unionists - it was getting a bit lonely on here.

There is a persistent rumour in unionist circles that the meeting was cancelled because there was no-one available to dress Lord James Douglas-Hamilton and wash behind his ears.

It seems that Jimmy's butler got his finger stuck in the bacon-slicer and that they were both sacked. You just cannot get the staff nowadays!
67

The Spook in Leith,

30/08/2008 09:10:58
#61

But your not normal so maybe you should have gone along to your silly little calman commission side show and helped bolster the numbers.

Devolution event axed 'due to lack of interest'

Fu#k what a bunch of tos'ers.
68

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:15:48
66 Brownlie-Morning Brownlie-how are u old sport. Sorry to hear of Laird jimmy's labour (note small'l') troubles. I could perhaps arrange to send him a couple of our natives to help out in the interim. Only hope they can get past HM's Customs lads at heathrow-they seemed to be coming down rather strong on people of colour when i was last there!
69

The Spook in Leith,

30/08/2008 09:17:29
Just to add to my slavering, if the 3 unionists parties really wanted to engage with the public maybe if they advertised what they were proposing for the Scottish parliament a little more openly then they might have received a better response, instead of plotting little baby games in leaky town hall back rooms out of the public view.

70

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:17:46
67 The spook in Leith-tut tut-language Spook!
71

brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:19:43
67 The Spook

G'morning, Spook, how's your frothing and gnashing this morning?

Good luck in Selkirk - watch out for the cow-pats!
72

Pilrig.,

Livingston 30/08/2008 09:22:24
The Calman Commission has all the popular appeal of, say a GB Olympic fitba team.
73

Richardinho,

30/08/2008 09:23:34
What's the point of introducing devolution when we already have it?
74

The Spook in Leith,

30/08/2008 09:25:51
#70 Geoff

What are you saying ? My language is one of my strong points !!

#71 brownlie.. My frothing and gnashing this morning is more like sneezing and snot, im stuffed with the cold.
lol, yeh the game kicks of at 2.30pm against Selkirk and Yarrow field is more like a local farmers field than a football pitch but i love getting stuck into them cow pats, crusty on the outside but nice and juicy on the inside. MMM..
75

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:27:01
#67 Spook

Such vituperation changes nowt. When it comes to The Big Question, you Nats are on a loser. Accept and weep.

P.S. Any person who regularly speaks in the third person can hardly make a judgement on the normality of another.
76

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 09:31:19
#61
If the Calman-Liebour commission is not a big issue, why are YOU getting all worked up about it?
77

brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:31:19
75 Draco

Hey oop, Draco, when does a person from Edinburgh use the word "nowt"?

Do you call traffic lights "robots"?
78

danielrober,

30/08/2008 09:34:32
# 33 A Better Way,Scottish Republic

Britain is not broken, but it is tired. When countries and poeple are tired they need friends. I see very few 'friends' turning up. Dam shame. I guess as a nation people will just keep passing us in the night along the road and not stop to help.

This must be how it feels for the Americans when so few allies turned up after they were attacked. 50 years of writing the defence checks for most of the world and hardly anyone turned up when the twin towers were bombed.

Some friends are turning up and i respect and thank them. Its just that the big guns are not. Or those who are turning up are not allowed to fully defend the UK. Dam shame. Geopolitical stability will be shaken when a prime democrat power (economic and military) disapears, due to neglect and lies. Western Europe in paticular will be weakened and the Commonwealth will be irrelevent.

Does Alec.S care, of course not he'll be long gone into retirement when this happens after 2016. He'll spout stuff such as if oonly. we should have done it earlier and oh yes balme every one else.

Will the British Isles recover - of course we will. We have recovered from far worse stupidity, vanity and terror during the 20th century. We will economically and to a less degree politically. It is just a lie to say many, many poeple will not be badly affected. After all how many coal miner villages are there today?

After been kicked when we are down many old agreements will be burnt in the fires of history. After all what use is an alliance if people do not come when you need help?
79

The Spook in Leith,

30/08/2008 09:36:39
#75 wimp

I don't normally pick on wimps but just for you i will bend the rules.

First point.. "You Nats are on a loser"..Explain!!!!

Second point... I regularly speak as a 4th and 5th person but im still normal, well at least someone said i was last year!!! Hmm it might have been myself that said it to my 3rd person.

Do you know something, i prefer my 3rd person to my 2nd person but prefer my second person to my 4th person but my 3rd person can be a wee bit obnoxious so in that case i prefer to be me or my first person but dont ask me about my 5th person.

Now where was i ? oh yes, is the biggest Marshmallow in the world heavier than a sumo wrestler ?
80

lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 09:36:55
The only Debate =
Scotland or Britland

and it’s Scotland for Me

‘Are we not men ? . . . we are Devo‘
81

brownlie,

30/08/2008 09:37:28
78 daniel

Daniel, there is help for you out there if you ask for it.
82

European Scot,

30/08/2008 09:38:01
No matter how much some of you Unionist supporters try and play this one down, the truth is there doesn't appear to be very much enthusiasm for Calman, and his commission.
A Unionist commission, set up by Unionists, and packed full of Unionists, and yet it would seem, not even Unionists are are prepared to support it.
Up until now it has been regarded as a bit of a joke by quite a few of us, but after this, it will be even more so.
83

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:38:56
77 Brownlie-I thought only South africans called traffic lights "Robots" and of course Barbecues Braaivleis's but you guys wouldnt have heard of either as you cant have outside fires in scotland as it rains all the time.
84

The Spook in Leith,

30/08/2008 09:39:44
#78 danielrober,30/08/2008 09:34:32
# 33 A Better Way,Scottish Republic
"Britain is not broken, but it is tired"

Fu#k i don't know about broken but i got tired reading through that gibberish of yours.. YAWN!!!!
85

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 09:41:16
#78
Were you making a point?
86

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 09:42:46
#78
There may be a future for you writing gushing and effusive verses in greetings cards though!
87

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:43:46
82 European Scot-Morning Old Man! Put it all down to the elusive but substantive "Silent Majority" who will have their say in support of the Union on referendum Day!!
88

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:43:47
82 European Scot-Morning Old Man! Put it all down to the elusive but substantive "Silent Majority" who will have their say in support of the Union on referendum Day!!
89

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30/08/2008 09:44:06
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:44:30
Or should that have been'substantial'?
91

Calvinist,

30/08/2008 09:46:02
Both the Calman Commission and the National Conversation are a sham, The Calman Commission is simply a group of 'dinner party' people talking to each other whereas the National Conversation is an SNP propaganda machine that Joseph Goebels would be proud of. Let's face it the average person in Scotland is not interested in constitutional issues; there are more pressing issues such as rising fuel bills, rising food costs, health care, unemployment etc.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 09:46:27
Anyone notice how Britain and the west are Blawin’ Aff aboot Georgia’s right to ‘independence’ and their Bigger more powerful neighbour should not be doing what they are doing - sometimes I wonder aboot Scotlands Right to Independence and how her bigger more powerful neighbour . . . aw, ye get the jist o what I mean eh ?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:46:31
#32 Team Scotland

Brilliant !!
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30/08/2008 09:48:09
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:48:59
#33 A Better Way

Well done for interpreting Danielrober's cryptic posts.

Personally, I can't make head nor tail of them. I wasn't even sure if he was pro or anti Scotland/Independence.
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30/08/2008 09:50:27
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Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 09:50:30
92 lulach etc.-there is a huge difference between scotland and georgia. If scotland wants independence,she shall have it with the best wishes of her former Union partners. And serious question-in your wildest dreams can you ever see england invading scotland and recognising the independent enclave of ibroxia?
98

MacGillicuddy,

30/08/2008 09:51:36
#95
Danielrober's posts "cryptic"?

Incomprehensible YES, cryptic NO!
99

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:52:23
#79 Nowt

Good to see a Nat with a sense of humour. And I use 'nowt' as a may occasionally use the words 'bungalow' or 'pyjamas'. Not Scottish words but useful, in context. Lulach at #80 hits the nail right on the head. There is only one debate, although he's wrong in that the two aren't mutually exclusive, that's what you Nats can't seem to grasp and why you're on a loser. Anything else, yir Calman Commissions and National Conversations, they keep the political anoraks in out of the rain but are of no interest to Joe Public (there, an Americanism as well!)
100

Linda,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:53:03
91 Calvanist.

If you bother to read the National Conversation document you will see that also includes devolution as an option for the people of Scotland. It is considering ALL the options unlike the Calman Commission.
101

lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/08/2008 09:53:24
#97 Geoff Yes
102

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:53:31
#42 Niko

The word "gullible" is not in the disctionary. Were you aware of that?

103

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/08/2008 09:55:06
#91 Calvinist

Didn't see your post as I was replying to the Spook. My point exactly, great minds.....
104

The Spook in Leith,

30/08/2008 09:58:00
#94 Bird

Bloody dam bird, cant take him anywhere..

#97.. Good point and i agree the conflict in Georgia is a different kettle of fish from Scottish independence. On the Ibrox front, remember Ibrox is situated in one of the most pro nationalists areas of Scotland so i think it will be rather safe in an Independent Scotland but personally speaking the English can have it, (RFC that is) Right i have to make tracks, Granny's shopping to do then borders abound..

105

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 09:59:24
#62 Steve

Not forgetting the need to donate cash to the SNP Glenrothes campaign. It can be done online.
106

Jwil,

30/08/2008 09:59:46
A small number of the necessary preparations for the event could not be completed in time".

Explain!

Since the Calman Commission decided that they were going to censor public feedback they have lost all credibility (if they had any in the first place).

107

Geoff,

sa 30/08/2008 10:02:31
99 Draco-good post and my point entirely-you can be british and scottish-the best of both worlds!

101 Lulach-"Geoff yes." !!! Wow lulach now there's an interesting opinion unless your taking the mick. If you are being serious though I doubt if there are many Scottish Nationalists that share your view.