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Published Date: 20 February 2009
SCOTLAND risks being left behind by tourism rivals around the world if it persists in promoting famous images of the nation such as lochs, mountains and ancient castles, a leading expert will claim next week.
A travel "futurologist" due to lead an industry masterclass believes the use of traditional messages should be dramatically scaled back by VisitScotland if it is to stay ahead of emerging rivals.

The views of Swedish academic Magnus Lindkvist, who has been asked to run a half-day Scottish Enterprise workshop for industry figures at Gleneagles Hotel on Monday, have triggered fresh debate over how Scotland should be promoted.

Mr Lindkvist will warn the impact of traditional Scottish marketing campaigns will fall flat over the next ten years because of the number of countries investing in such techniques for the first time. He will instead urge the industry to tap into niche markets such as adventure sports, diaspora tours and study holidays; help create major new cultural festivals; and encourage more luxury short breaks.

Mr Lindkvist is recommending the industry develops hundreds of new tourism initiatives and campaigns each year, and takes dramatic steps to quickly improve service in hotels and restaurants.

He told The Scotsman: "You have to remember that tourism is a very new industry, which didn't really exist until the 1960s. Many countries such as Croatia have only recently started to promote themselves as tourism destinations, using these kinds of messages.

"Scotland should move away from the stereotypical images used in campaigns, such as Loch Ness, castles, mountains and monuments. These kind of campaigns will become increasingly stale over the next ten years, mainly because so many other countries are now going down that road. Travellers are changing and those kinds of images will not have the same impact.

"Scotland should be trying to promote itself as a luxury short-break destination, looking at creating new cultural events and modern attractions, and developing diaspora and study tours of the country."

VisitScotland insisted it recognised much of Mr Lindkvist's comments and this was reflected in its marketing activities. Mel Angus, international marketing manager, said: "Much of our marketing activity is based on regular research we carry out with focus groups around the world."

Calum Macnee, general manager of Rabbies Trail Burners, the award-winning Edinburgh-based tour company, said: "Just because these images have been used for a long time, it doesn't mean that they don't work any more or are still valid.

"In the likes of the Far East and South-East Asia, these are the images that people associate with Scotland."



IN NUMBERS

200,000
People employed in tourism jobs in Scotland.

9
Percentage of jobs supported by tourism industry.

£4.1 billion
Value of tourism to Scotland.

16.1 million
Estimated annual number of visitors to Scotland.

8.9 million
Passengers travelling through Edinburgh airport in past year.

£40 million
Extra economic benefit expected from this year's Homecoming celebrations.

8,000
Number of visitors expected at biggest Homecoming event – a clan gathering in Edinburgh in July.

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  • Last Updated: 19 February 2009 11:31 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Nevsky;,

Moscow 19/02/2009 22:22:58
A half-day talk by a 'futuroligist' is this even worth of reporting you wonder?

For all the impact it would have you might as well fling a frozen herring at a mosquito.

Scotland should of course diversify but has the kind of branding that Mr Nutkwist can only dream of.

Swwden has Abba and mosquitos..nuff said.
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Newton_Invented_Gravity,

20/02/2009 00:09:05
From my own experience, foreigners I've met in Scotland have been fascinated by our history and our landscape, and by such things as the Loch Ness monster! it's like saying that Paris shouldn't promote the Eiffel tower or Transylvania shouldn't promote dracula.
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Jock MacSprog,

20/02/2009 00:19:34
you must be joking pal, what else is there to see here, Cumbernauld ? Do you really think people in the US sit there thinking, "hey, lets go fly across the atlantic to see the Falkirk wheel or the Glasgow Science centre "?
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rlm,

20/02/2009 00:23:13
Well said, #2.
While it may be worthwhile to expand promotions, to say that the landscapes and history should no longer be used is absurd. Scotland is the only place one can find those particular features.
We have been fortunate enough to visit Scotland twice and dream of being able to return. Granted, we could do without all the tartan clad Nessies and the like.
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slap-dash,

Border control 20/02/2009 00:26:36
Think I`ll dash out tomorrow and take a course in "Futuroligy" ! Is that even a real word ?

Is Prof. whitshisname a real person ?
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subrosa,

20/02/2009 01:02:50
'Calum Macnee, general manager of Rabbies Trail Burners, the award-winning Edinburgh-based tour company, said: "Just because these images have been used for a long time, it doesn't mean that they don't work any more or are still valid.

"In the likes of the Far East and South-East Asia, these are the images that people associate with Scotland."'

I'm on Calum McNee's side. Here we go again, make Scotland just like any other country in the world. Does the man not understand tourists mainly visit somewhere because of the culture and/or scenery.

11

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 20/02/2009 02:01:41
As an expatriate who makes annual trips to Scotland (maybe not this year though), I agree with #2.

I also agree with the "futurologist"'s statement that the industry "takes dramatic steps to quickly improve service in hotels and restaurants." Based on my trip last July, I found excellent restaurant service in Oban, Inverness and Glasgow and excellent hotel/B&B service in Oban and Glasgow (I stayed with relatives in Inverness). But I know where to look. In general, there is still vast room for improvement.

The most important thing the industry could do in the short run is start a campaign to get rid of "tartan tat" and cheap foreign kilt shops such as the obnoxious ones near Edinburgh Castle. Also forbid them from playing music than can be heard outside the shops.
12

Ian Yeoman,

New Zealand 20/02/2009 02:15:34
There is direct link between VisitScotland's marketing and media campaigns and research. Some marketing is about tartan and some not. It all depends on the market segment. There is nothing wrong with fantastic landscapes, Edinburgh Military Tattoo, our food and heritage. Different consumers respond to different messages. I think the newspaper or the futurologist has got the story wrong. Seems like VisitScotland bashing too me rather than a meaningful story
13

AdoptedFifer,

Fife 20/02/2009 02:30:43
Somebody is having a laugh here- it's being suggested we should downplay our culture, castles, historically influential characters, naturally beautiful [but damp] landscape, and heritage because "emerging potential tourist destinations are catching on to the same techniques" [paraphrased]?

Scotland IS a unique nation, brimming with interesting culture and history; this story should be in the comedy section.
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jimbye,

north america 20/02/2009 02:57:55
here in north america, almost everyone you speak with has scottish roots (2nd is irish) I don't think things should change too much. This is what people want.
15

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 20/02/2009 03:49:49
Yes, just keep showing the wonderful landscapes, snow covered mountains, glistening lochs, brooding castles, och aye am waxing quite lyrical and it's only 4 in the morning! You canna beat it!
Oh bonnie scotland oh bonnie oh bonnie Scotland da da di da di da da da di da di da or is that the tune to a Scottish Soldier? Bring them back from the wars if that is not too much of an ask .
16

Jock Smith,

Waukesha, Wisconsin. 20/02/2009 03:54:00
I bring small groups to Scotland and the like nothing better than exploring our history and the scenery ( and the Falkirk wheel ) which is of course close to the Antonine wall.
When I asked what they were interested in before we left one of the most requested was a stay in a castle. I arranged a traditional Celdih and travel to many places of interest.
We need to give people the chance to do what they want, not what we think they want.
Send this guy back to his own country and let him get their tourism sorted.
By the way Tartan day is spreading across the USA celebrations are taking place in most large cities now.
try googling Scottish highland games in the USA and see what you get.
17

Aussie Jack,

Brisbane 20/02/2009 04:04:11
Expert - ex = has been. Spurt = a little drip under pressure.
We, far away, will aye come back for the real Scotland.
18

Canadianjambo,

Pickering 20/02/2009 04:38:53
I think he's right. I'm Canadian and visit Scotland on avaerage every second year, staying for just shy of 4 weeks. I usually skip the castles and the history and spend my time working on my tan!!!
19

Ban Mac Tire,

Depends on the day of the week, and the time of th 20/02/2009 04:48:01
#12, #18
As someone who spends alot of time travelling the mid-west US (Jock - probably should have waved on my way down I-94 to Milwaukee from Minneapolis last night - tomorrow it's Chicago and then home!!) and Europe for work - I have to agree - being originally form Glasgow, the tat that we see on the Royal Mile in Edinburgh and surrounding streets is a wee bit cringy (Gold Bros. anyone?), but in the rest of the country we have nothing to apologise for in scenery and playing to that market.
Having spent a lot of time in upstate New York - and heck, a lot of places here in the US they play to the scenery - and frankly, grand Canyon, Rockies and yellowstone not withstanding, Scotland has gorgeuos scenery that you get nowhere else and much to be proud of.
I took my wife (who is not Scottish) up through the Loch Lomand national park, hiking, just after new year - it was her first time there in the park and it blew here away! she loved it and will be back

play down on the kitsch and play up on the scenery and we'll have them begging to come over.
Slainte!
20

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 20/02/2009 04:52:19
Get Bord Failte to run Visit Scotland and stuff the seminars!
21

Peripatetic Pensioner,

Travelling round the world 20/02/2009 05:04:10
The problem that puts off most of the people I speak to on my travels is the cost, even now in the present political/financial debacle, the prices charged for accomodation and eating out in Scotland and the UK is still way too high compared to other places that Scotland is in competition with. The US, Canada, Aus and NZ are still far better value for money, never mind the 2nd and 3rd world. Reduce the prices and increase the turnover.
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donald,

glasgow 20/02/2009 05:19:38
The turnip sounds lie true Butcher's Apron waving Brit, ignoring the kitch of every other country, including and especially Smother Engerland.

This is the trade mark cliques of every Onionist talking head on ETV. He forgot to add their terror of tartan and shortbread and how Brit Nats were terrified of a piece of confectionery and woven cloth.

Such things are optional and people will still come here despite or because of that. Just look at the number of towrists in these shops.
23

For Scotlands Future,

20/02/2009 05:24:43
"A travel futurologist"?
"By Chove Dougie, what will they think off next"
"They'll be coming back from the future an' tellin' us what a grand time we will have on oor holidays next week. I'll be so pleased I'll probably no bother goin', and save masel' the money".

"He will instead urge the industry to tap into niche markets such as adventure sports, diaspora tours and study holidays; help create major new cultural festivals; and encourage more luxury short breaks".

Wow, there you go. Cutting edge stuff. I bet no other country or holiday destination has thought of those. Quick, get in there before someone steals the ideas.
24

!Ya basta!,

20/02/2009 06:06:17
I don't see why one has to exclude the other. People of many different types come to see differen tthings. Scotland is beautiful and people will always want to see such beauty. The trendy stuff he's talking about requires a lot of investment and imagination and its not the right time for that. He is right though that general standards in hoteld and restaurants have to be improved.

Anyway, who the hell is going to be able to afford to come here under current circumstances?
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Eileen Findlay,

Gold River, California 20/02/2009 06:42:56
As a born and bred Scot, I was "forced" to visit the Falkirk Wheel on two separate visits to Scotland by my brother, because he'd forgotten he'd already taken me to see it last time I was home. What a crashing bore. I have seen more magical worlwide sites in my world travels. The US and the world has more miraculous wonders than anything in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland. My girlfriend and I at the age of 16 (I'm now 65 )hitchhiked all Scotland staying at youth hostels. But it took too long to get anywhere, weather was always door, rained most of the time and the food -- well I wouldn't feed it to my dog. Even today, the food and service: sucks!! The Scots don't like being waiters/waitresses - so their attitude is -take it or leave it. And I'm a Scot, so I know whereof I speak!! Whenever I visit the "Old Sod", I am enraged at the service, the arrogance and indifference of those serving in the shops, and the prices I am being asked to pay for 10th rate service, food, and bus, train and plane fares. The Scots need to either leave the Highlands and Islands, or else take classes on how the rest of the world serves their customers, if they want to improve tourism. The rest of the world understands respect, consideration and value for service towards their customers, who after all are the ones paying the bill!!
26

Angleland Isover,

20/02/2009 06:53:05
I think Magnus must work for the english tourist board. Sounds like hes telling us our country, as it is, isn't good enough.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/02/2009 07:04:30
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He's doing nothing of the sort. As a country we should be a wee bit more confident in ourselves and take advice and constructive criticism in the spirit that it is meant.
Few could argue that our tourism industry could do with a spring clean. Of course symbols of Scotland are important but for too long we have relied on our natural resources without making sure that visitors to our country are well looked after.
I'm sure I'm not alone in cringing at some of the appalling service I have witnessed in this country over the years. I worked in a hotel in Drumnadrochit many years ago - a breathtakingly beautiful part of our country which was quite rightly a huge draw for tourists from across the world.
Compare to us Basil Fawlty looked like the hotelier of the year. We shouldn't be so prickly: we could do this so much better and any help offered should be received gratefully rather than sneered at like the service in a certain highland hotel....
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 08:06:02
So according to the this fellow we should be promoting "adventure holidays", "diaspora tours" and "study holidays".

Ok.

"adventure holidays" = lochs and mountains
"diaspora tours" = tartan and clans
"study tours" = ancient castles.

Got it. Sorted.
29

Bruce's spider,

20/02/2009 08:07:21
As Bart Simpson would say "Eat my shorts!". Of course Scotland has to continue to promote the features that make us stand out from everyone else be it our Lochs and Glens, Rabbie Burns or Edinburgh Castle. I've always had a suspicion of experts and this guy's nonsense is a prime example of why. Of course more should be done to improve customer service in this country and to make it more of a year round destination but don't we all know this already? no doubt though he'll be addressing a seminar of similar "Experts" for whom this will all be news. Is it any wonder this country is in the mess its in?
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 08:10:14
Oh aye "study & diaspora tours" = Gaelic langauge.

All the more reason to keep the mither tongue alive and well.
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Christina 71,

Athens, Greece 20/02/2009 08:13:59
totally disagree with the views of the article. . .these images and the "atmosphere" of Scotland is what foreigns want to visit it for in the first place. . . .i am a huge fan of Scotland . . .i visited Edinburgh, Inverness and the Isle of Skye 2 years ago and regretfully i wasn't able to go back last summer. . .but I really wish I could go every year and explore every traditional spot of the country . . . . being Greek i can assure anyone interested that a country with rich history is always a tourist "magnet" . . .
32

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 08:20:00
Curiously I cannot find the story of the Scotsman’s Editor’s resignation.
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Emz,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 08:32:38
I can see where Lindkvist is coming from. So many people are now taking city breaks rather than going on holiday for weeks at a time. These people are not necessarily interested in taking trips to Loch Lomond or to go hiking in the Highlands etc. We have great bars, restaurants and a great nightlife, as well as fantastic museums and galleries that should be attractive to many tourists. Not everyone is interested in visiting historic castles and roaming the hills. We have more to offer than kitsch.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 08:35:55
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You're right. We have two paintings that cost £50 million that was paid to a Duke whose forefather includes being instrumental in the Highland Clearances that many of our diaspora are descended from.

But hey! That's too kitsch, eh?
36

Satire above all,

20/02/2009 08:44:11
There are certainly some improvements that could and should be made. There should be a standard that should be required to be met when for shops selling souvenirs. I detest all the rubbish that gets sold in tourist shops (along Edin mile is a classic example).

Oh! And while I'm at it, we should made the Edin Tattoo MORE Scottish and LESS British :-)
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 20/02/2009 08:46:14
You can forget the landscape anyway as it is now covered with wind turbines.
The turbine huggers do tell us they are tourist attractions though.
I can see the advert now "Come to bonny Scotland - land of the turbines"
38

Man-O-Field,

Aberdeen 20/02/2009 08:50:25
Yes, we have world famous beautiful landscapes. Such variety too.

Tourism, as pointed out, is such an important industry.

With our scenery in the process of being swamped by windfarms, thousands of turbines on course to be dumped here, we have a visual disaster waiting to happen.
How then shall we hold on to the tourism we already have, let alone develop and expand it for the good of the Nation?
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Audrey Halliday,

20/02/2009 08:51:08
What this article reveals that the “visionaries” we currently have in promoting Scotland’s tourism, be they in visitscotland, Scottish Enterprise or other associated agencies are process workers masquerading as experts.

History and culture are absolutely relevant to Scottish tourism and every country has their own version of “Tartan Tat” so stop listening to gurus and get your brains working.

A “Travel futurologist", ffs.

I go abroad to experience the people, the culture, the castles, the scenery, the food, the history and a myriad of other little things and I love it, I love travelling, it does broaden the mind and more importantly it is enjoyable.

But adventure sports for tourists? Why come to Scotland for that as most of us on this planet can enjoy these activities somewhere near our own doorstep. The majority of countries do have rivers, hills, mountains, gorges, sun, rain, snow and more.

I notice the phrase focus groups pops its head up.

What about instinct, what about talent, what about hiring people who actually have some ideas.


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jdships,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 09:01:11
2 Newton_Invented_Gravity

I work on the fringes of the "tourist industry" and agree totally with what you say.
Conversation among visitors I meet is always about the traditional Scot's "attractions"
Think the Swedish academic Magnus Lindkvist should b" ....sent homeward to think again " !!
41

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 20/02/2009 09:02:55
Fran and Anna memorial statue anyone?
42

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 09:10:14
#38 Dave
I believe the Government contributed a total of £12 million towards one of the Titian’s, and have declined to contribute towards the second one.

Be that as it may, I accept that there is an argument that not one penny of taxpayers’ money should have gone to line the pockets of that particular individual.

PS Pass on my best regards to Great Aunty Morag, who lives on the southern side of Castlebay. :)

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Lianachan,

Highlands 20/02/2009 09:13:16
Tourists, after all, come to Scotland to experience Scotland - having explicitly chosen to visit the place. They don't come here for the tourist experience, they come here for the Scotland experience. Many, of course, come because their ancestors left/were kicked out and are "homecoming".
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common sense voice,

20/02/2009 09:17:40
Sweden well... i'd no go if you gave me free tickets... but maybe he is an expert to get mugs to go there...

2 kinds of holidays... Spain etc for a bevy in the sun and a bit o nat king...

then cultural where Castles, scenery, old buildings, golf, fishing, shopping are what people want.
45

Green,

20/02/2009 09:19:35
Can all these people explain why encouraging people to fly to Scotland is going to help anyone in the future?

There is even talk now of how in the medium term, the world may start to have to police 'rogue' environmental states who persist in activities which cause damage and death all round the world. That can mean trade embargos, even sending in troops.For your tourist Scotland, the Maldives is disappearing.

Wake up Scotland, you have lots of wind and wave power and have never exploited it.

Now people flying from Seattle for a short break to Scotland is your idea of real thinking?
46

Stan Butler,

20/02/2009 09:24:27
#2 Newton_Invented_Gravity

'From my own experience, foreigners I've met in Scotland have been fascinated by our history and our landscape, and by such things as the Loch Ness monster!'


Does it not occur to you that it's the people who don't visit Scotland that you would have to speak to in order to increase the number of tourists, not the ones who do?

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TheNim1,

SofFrance 20/02/2009 09:27:07
What Scotland has is an image that is unique, whether we like ot or not. But the point is that it seems to work. We do very well for tourists.

What you have to remember is that the 'futurologist' has to promote change otherwise his job is defunct. If he stands there and says...''no need to worry laddies - you're doing fine'' then whoever pays his bill might think twice about paying him again.

Wonder what he tells the Swedish Tourist Board? Drop the ABBA image and tell them about pine trees and IKEA.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 09:29:45
50

Not entirely. Show a tourist here a good time and they go home and tell 10 other people "Go to Scotland for a Holiday"

It's called advertisement by word of mouth. And it works
49

nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 09:29:54
I see the point he's making.

If you open your eyes for a second you'll see that Scotland DOESNT really have dramatic landscapes compared to many other places. Pockets of mountains which barely scrape 4000 feet, and the highlands which can be done in a day (from a tourist perspective).

Close to home , much of the former Yugoslavia , Greece , Switzerland (hell , even Germany) has just as dramatic scenery , much of which hasnt been shoved in the face for 40 years like scotlands has.

However , I wouldnt forget the history. The tourist potential for places like Skara Brae, Callanish and St Kilda is huge. The news that Harris may be turned into a national park (to me, at least) also has potential.

Better infrastructure maybe and less misty eyed rubbish.

As someone who has travelled a lot , scotlands scenery is vastly overrated , and interspersed with depressing towns like Fort William, Oban and INverness. Sorry , but take a moment to see it as others see it ;)

50

Number 6,

Germany 20/02/2009 09:31:32
The German's have a bit of a love affair with Scotland , showing many many programmes about the country, and transmitting both the Military Tattoo and extensive coverage of the Edinburgh Festival each year.

I can assure you it is our music, Landscape and culture they admire. Charles Rennie Macintosh for example was much more popular and famous in Germany than he ever was in Scotland.

Runrig receive more letters in Gaelic from Germans, who learn the language to better understand the songs, than they do from Scots. There are probably as many Pipe bands in Germany than Scotland, etc etc etc.

So yes, it is Scotland's "Kitsch" that brings people to the country. certainly not the prospect of seeing half naked drunken women urinating in the streets or under developed junkie Neds or an "Old Firm" Rammy, or any other modern development.

Another so called "Expert" talking out of their rear-ends.
51

Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

20/02/2009 09:31:35
Mike Gilson has quit as editor of the Scotsman, it emerged last night.

It is understood he has returned to Portsmouth, where it is said his family still live, as he considers his future.

Gilson, 45, had been at the helm of the Scotsman since September 2006, having moved from the News in Portsmouth, which he edited for six years.
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His departure has come as the Scotsman plans to restructure its editorial workforce. It is believed there are plans to create a single production team to design and sub-edit all titles, including the Edinburgh Evening News and Scotland on Sunday.

The NUJ says it will result in a "handful" of redundancies, all voluntary.

It is understood Mr Gilson, who has been an editor of Johnston Press titles for more than 12 years, was unhappy with the restructure plans which are thought to include appointing one editor-in-chief. It is believed Edinburgh Evening News editor John McLellan is the leading contender.

Scotland on Sunday editor Les Snowdon has already announced he is leaving to become sports editor at the Daily Mail.
52

nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 09:31:50
51 has a point of course, the man has a job to do. The good news is that scotland is a wee bit cheaper for the Yankees this year, make the most of it.
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nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 09:37:59
55 good news, in a way. 485 Million in debt and the usual modern constraints on newspaper production. Selling thinner papers with less staff actually makes more money, if the advertising can be found.
54

drunken proffet,

Tassy 20/02/2009 09:39:30
#29 Eileen. The Scots are like anyone else in the world, they reflect what they receive. The Wheel was only one part of a plan to join the east to the west and I would believe to the average Scotsman it would be an appreciation of the effort to build the Union Canal and accept it as part of Scotland's heritage. The weather in general is terrible, the folk are great, there are no great number of salt water crocs or snakes as we have over here in Australia. It is all relative, visit and enjoy, or stay at home.
55

Gussie Fink-Nottle,

20/02/2009 09:40:10
#46 Bully Wee the £12.5m secures the entire collection.
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Ewan Oosami,

20/02/2009 09:44:02
Futurologist? WTF, get a life, and a proper job.
Self styled wassocks like this get right up my jacksy.
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edu,

Dundee 20/02/2009 09:45:33
Let's see. Nobody goes to China to see the Great Wall. Nobody goes to India to see the Taj Mahal. Nobody goes to Athens to see the Parthenon. Nobody goes to London to see the British Museum. These are the ONLY things tourists to these places want to see. Castles, pipers, tartan, lochs and mountains are exactly what all my overseas friends want to see when they visit Scotland. Why else would anyone get on a plane in Tokyo to come here? For the weather, for our drunks, for our drug-ridden youth?
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MoiraMac,

20/02/2009 09:45:42
#12

The most important thing the industry could do in the short run is start a campaign to get rid of "tartan tat" and cheap foreign kilt shops such as the obnoxious ones near Edinburgh Castle. Also forbid them from playing music than can be heard outside the shops.


It's a great idea but nobody is listening. I think the Tartan Tat merchants are a protected species and it would not be PC to do anything about their disrespectful/unethical behaviour! Shopkeepers who sell tat from India but call their shops 'The Best Fae Scotland' 'The Scotland Shop' 'Heritage Scotland' are obviously trying to fool the tourist into thinking their merchandise is from Scotland. If what they sell is the 'Best Fae Scotland' God help us!
These shopkeepers don't care about people living in the surrounding area who have to listen to their bloody music all day everyday even on Christmas Day and New Years Day!
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Munguin,

20/02/2009 09:47:05
There is a charming substance that comes out of the back of a horse, and this Swedish "futurologist" is full of it! He says that the traditional images of Scotland will become increasingly stale, but at the same time pointsd out that these same images have been used since the 1960's, I assume with some success! So, they have worked fine for the last 40 years but wont cut the mustard in the next ten because Croatia will be using the same sort of thing??
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nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 09:49:10
62 as ive said before the tat is everywhere you care to look , London Paris New York Munich everybody talk about.
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Anne,

Eaglesham 20/02/2009 09:50:08
When i go on holiday to bavaria, I expect lederhosen, dirndl skirts and oompah bands.

What do the locals provide for tourists? Lederhosen, dirndl skirts and oompah bands.

The Dorffests, a local equivalent of ceilidhs, take place in all the villages at the weekends, raising money for causes such as the volunteer firefighters, and provide a great eveings entertainment for locals and visitors alike.

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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

20/02/2009 09:52:16
29....You might have Scottish roots but you sound like a true American...has it not occurred to you that people working in the hotel and industry sector are unhappy and surly perhaps because of conditions they are working in...and the many ill mannered, demanding and obnoxious tourists that they have to put up with? In America the robotic "Have a nice day" with a fixed grin might pass as "Customer relations" but Scots would balk at such bizarre behaviour...it is not in our dour behaviour..particularly when the wages are pathetic and working conditions unfavourable...I used to work in the Hotel and Catering industry...in some very famous hotels...we had some real arrogant idiots from home and abroad who gave the staff a hard time...they never did learn what was used to stir their room service drink, or what was deposited in that whole roast chicken they demanded...or what the night porters did to sandwich that was demanded by the loud mouth in the early hours...heh heh heh..

I once knew a young american who asked me what he could visit as a piece of historic interest in Glasgow...I sent him to the Cathedral...he came back and opened his arms a la "I caught one this big" and said yeah but you know in the United States we have cathedrals way bigger than than...I said nothing but thought "Yeah but they wont be as fkn old or steeped in history ya haufwit"....

Scotland is unique beautiful and the tourists will keep coming, the dour weather is part of the big picture...in France they play it up big time to sell 'Scottish' whisky...huge adverts with gloomy castles in moorland...moonlit landscapes...chains hanging from walls...braziers..castle gates and an air of doom...they lap it up and the French probably guzzle the stuff thinking its a great Scots brew....

Stick tae America doll.....please....
63

Ewan Oosami,

20/02/2009 09:59:08
#62 'tartan tat' made in Taiwan is sold all over Scotland - there's very few locally made items.
64

MoiraMac,

20/02/2009 09:59:44
This is my little campaign to do something about the ‘Tartan Tat’ I thought I would ask the tourist for help and post the following on as many websites as possible. Your help and suggestions would be appreciated.

‘I do hope you enjoy your trip to Edinburgh it is a wonderful city. Can you ask if you could do local residents a favour by avoiding the Tartan Tat shops especially the ones that blast music into the neighbourhood and display all their merchandise outside their shops. The music and the clutter drives the people living in the vicinity bonkers and makes the Royal Mile look like an Eastern Bazaar. The shop-keepers are aware of this but they don't care. Although the shops have names like ‘The ‘Best Fae Scotland’ ‘Scotland Shop’ ‘Heritage Scotland’ suggesting that the merchandise on sale is from Scotland, it is for the most part from India and China. Please don't be ripped off!
65

Jock MacSprog,

20/02/2009 10:04:40
#66 you are exactly whats wrong with service in Scotland. Your leftie "workers of the world unite" grumpy, superior, "I hate people" attitude is exactly what the poster was referring to. You made his point better than he ever could. As long as your "the world owes me a living" attitude prevails in Scotland we will be a declining nationa
66

hud of sleat,

Sorry England 20/02/2009 10:06:58
I think It's a load of bull. It's the new generation gap. They are just not interested in culture or their home land. The past does not come into it, for them. History they don't know the meaning of the word. Not even the furture they can see. Just themselfs. They can go anywhere for fun, sun and sea (so to speak) But they can only come to Scotland to see Scotland. It's the Lochs, mountains castles infact the whole dam place, that makes Scotland what it is today.

Put a poll out to include the age barrier and your find out what makes Scotland what it is.
67

nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 10:07:05
68 If you're going to do that i'd suggest you dont use colloquialisms like bonkers , tat , ripped off and the patronising reference to Eastern Bazaars.
68

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 10:08:17
59 Gussie Fink-Nottle, 20/02/2009 09:40:10

“#46 Bully Wee the £12.5m secures the entire collection.”

Are you sure about this?

I accept that the following quotation may be misleading, and I am aware that you were at the meeting concerned.
However, what would you take from the following?:-

From The Times
February 19, 2009

“Mr Russell also re-affirmed the view of his predecessor, Linda Fabiani, that the Scottish government, which gave £12.6 million to the successful campaign to save the Titian masterpiece Diana and Actaeon, would make no contribution to the purchase of its companion piece, Diana and Callisto
69

fegan,

N/Ireland 20/02/2009 10:09:12
As a regular visitor to Scotland at least once a year and more often if I can manage it, I would like to say that the Most noticeable thing to me and my friends is the value for money it is rather POOR.
Hotels are overpriced and in many cases old and tired. To many parking charges in small town and villages this deters Visitors from stopping. Charges for Toilets in places of interest amongst other niggling charges to many to mention. On the other hand the welcome is extremely Warm the food excellent the places of interest fantastic. If the Value could be sorted out why would you want to go any place else.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 10:09:19
Imagine a Scot telling the Swedes that they must conceal every vestige of their national identity, history and heritage?

Envious and jealous tourist boards throughout the world would die for the numerous and instantly recognisable icons of Scotland!
71

MoiraMac,

20/02/2009 10:10:57
#67 I think we know that! You certainly can't miss it if you live on the Royal Mile in Edinburgh the stuff is everywhere,jam packed in the shops windows,out on the pavements and it's even hanging out on the front of the buildings. I just wonder how much of that 'tat/fancy dress' the tourist are buying? The mind boggles!!!!!!!!
72

MoiraMac,

20/02/2009 10:13:37
#71 Thank you very much! I hadn't thought of that.
73

nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 10:18:31
no probs moira. But like i say tourists want tat. and if they dont there are other places they can go. They're not stupid !

73 probably what people dont want is to listen to some tired old accordianist (when did that become a national instrument) playing the battle of glencoe in some overpriced hotel. 5 quid a toastie.

There are many.



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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/02/2009 10:20:49
Like most academics Mr Lindkvist has to have an "angle" for his masterclass, otherwise why would the assembled good and great from the industry turn up at Gleneagles of all places? (Apart from a beanfeast supply courtesy of Scottish Enterprise - ie. you and me).

Presumably they would just blindly continue down the line of promoting Scotland's great scenery, history and shortie tins with Bonnie Prince Charlie on them. Unfortunately for the Swedish academic these things do sell! Why should these be mutually exclusive to adventure holidays, cultural fests, etc? Has he not heard of different market segments? Some lapping up kilties at Embra castle and some white-water rafting.

Think of Sweden and why would you go there? Well there's beautiful blondes, nice scenery, expensive beer, clean-as-a-whistle towns and cities - oh dear. Maybe proves my point! Let's say canyoning would not be the first thing springing to mind!
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jdships,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 10:24:27
53 nSyratzcGlaw,
Take it you have written this with tongue firmly in cheek ?
"If you open your eyes for a second you'll see that Scotland DOESNT really have dramatic landscapes compared to many other places "
You really believe that? If you do you need to travel more in your own country !!!!
I too have worked/visted extensively abroad ( ninety plus countries) and can assure you Scotland's scenery , for starters, can stand comparison with the best .

By all means cut back on the "Brigadoon" image and promote Scotland for what it is - a beautiful country with a fascinating history
76

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 20/02/2009 10:30:31
is this prof really joke mcconnel in disguise lol
theres always some expert,but not from here,trying to tell us what to do
maybe a friend of mandys
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

20/02/2009 10:31:59
69...Actually sweetheart I've worked with some very happy people who approach their work with professional standards...but these were people further up the ladder, focused and career minded with opporunities open to them that not all young people can aspire to. I have also worked with people who slogged their guts out, and who have been treated like sh*t by management..expected to work more hours and take on extra duties withoug pay etc...you wouldnt believe the half of it...its not only the 'customers' that can be ignorant and arrogant but the people who are supposed to be supporting their staff....

I once knew a women...boss of a hotel...who began each working day by lining up her staff and berating them...individually...telling them that they were a bunch of wasters and going nowhere..etc etc etc...unfortunately she is not the only one I met like that.....

People working in the hotel and catering industry do not believe the world "Owes them a living"...get a grip of yourself...they work too damm hard to believe that....what they do ask is respect...perhaps that does not sit too well with you, now why is that?
78

Douglas in Japan via Sweden,

Kumamoto, Japan 20/02/2009 10:39:00
After growing up in St.Andrews I moved on to Sweden. Stayed 32 years before finally arriving here in Japan.

I am well aware of Magnus Linkvist.
As most of you have noticed he is a Swede.
He is most likely ashamed of his own county's lack of an image and is trying to destroy the very good image we have abroad.
Japanese visiting Scotland want to see kilts and bagpipes, castles and lochs. They want to eat haggis too! I know.... I have lived here for 8 years now.
Nessie is a household name here in Japan.
Glenfinnan viaduct is also well known through the Harry Potter films.
Don't let a jealous Swede destroy our image abroad!
Hoots Mon!!!

79

danbob,

20/02/2009 10:50:38
81# I am with you on this. I hired a cottage near Dunoon and despaired at the poor furnishings. It looked like a throw back to the 1930s. It wasn't cheap either. I thought what is there to do so got out the tourist information leaflets that were in the place. Guess what, they were five years out of date. The icing on the cake was dragging the bins 200 yds to the spot where the bin men collected it only to find it wasn't emptied because I had left it 10ft short of it's supposed proper place. You cannot expect foreign tourists to put up with this sort of thing.
80

Stan Butler,

20/02/2009 11:03:59

If the Brigadoon version of Scotland is so well known internationally there's no need to promote it further. Those who want that kind of kitsch will come here anyway.

Perhaps you might also want to attract others who aren't interested in the shortbread tin vision of Scotland and, due to the way Scotland is promoted abroad, aren't aware of what other attractions there might be here.

If you keep on doing what you've been doing you'll keep on getting what you've been getting.
81

nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 11:07:53
79 Nope , i stand by what I said. Theres a lot of more beauitful places.
82

Scottish Canadian,

ottawa canada 20/02/2009 11:11:19
That article is rubbish. Scotland is known and recognized for its history, among other things. According to this gentleman, the Scots should pitch their brogue as well. Friends returning from Scotland to Canada talk of the great historical places they've visited and the wonderful people of your country. Don't fix what isn't broken.
83

nSyratzcGlaw,

20/02/2009 11:13:00
Ach , its all fine. If I worked in tourism i might give a monkeys.
84

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 11:13:05
85

And a lot less. Makes your point meaningless.
85

jdships,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 11:21:09
88 Dave From Barra

Totally agree .
He is quite happily prepared to be one of the " None so blind as cannot see " brigade.

It is his opinion which he is rightly entitled to express but none the less a sad one .
86

indira,

20/02/2009 13:22:47
On a positive note.

Innovation and ideas come from many places, leading edge marketing and technology often comes from people outside the target industry. Fresh thinking from a clean page merged with trade experience is frequently the catalyst that leads to innovation.

The organisers of this event have already announced a programme of amassing ideas to promote Scotland . This initiative, driven by Scottish Enterprise, will, I am sure bring together people who have strong workable ideas, ideas which will combine a mass of thoughts and a myriad of marketing platforms.

Scotland is full of clever people, full of history and a full on embracing push is what we need to help show the world that we intend to beat what has gone before and we can do this today with ready-ologists.

Futureologists are fine but we have many can do’s.

Guru’s think, can-do’s, do.
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Number 6,

Germany 20/02/2009 13:28:34
Testing Testing ... 1.2.3
88

Man-O-Field,

Aberdeen 20/02/2009 13:32:52
Also testing 1
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Man-O-Field,

Aberdeen 20/02/2009 13:33:57
*Please enter your comment*
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Number 6,

Germany 20/02/2009 13:34:27
Good , we can post again. I hope this paper is not going the way of the Record which has refused to let anyone reply to any comment on their threads, since November !!!!.

This was to prevent the constant re-correction of the appalling unionista propoganda they were spewing out.

Eventually, despite membership soaring to nearly a 1000, they decided to stifle all debate. Go ahead and try and post, you can't. Nor can you extract an explanation, you will not even receive the courtesy of a "F#ck Off".

This obstruction of free speech is an incredibly dangerous, undemocratic, not to mention cowardly
tactic of the Unionista Press, but it shows they know the Game is up. If you think the Unionista Trolls on here are thick and sycophantic, you can imagine what they were like at the Record. (Shudder).
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Number 6,

Germany 20/02/2009 13:38:43
Now, where was I ? Oh Yes :

83# Stan, what attractions, currently ignored, should we be promoting in order to attract visitors to Scotland ?.

84# nStyra..... You say there are lots of places more beautiful than Scotland.

I wonder if you could name a couple.... I assume you have visited these places ?.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

20/02/2009 13:38:52
I wonder why they have to hold these seminars in the most expensive hotels, I wonder who is footing the bill for this half day waste.

Yes there are many improvement that can be made to the tourism industry but surely a futurologist is not yet required.

What we need is more all weather activities and indoor activity centres where people can enjoy themselves in the many rainy days.

We have enough space to cater for all. Another thing is more international flights arriving direct in Scotland rather than having to pass through London which makes the journey much more expensive.

We should have clear segments to target, Golf, Fishing, Ex-pat, Dispora, Historical, Shooting, Stag Weekends, Festivals,Whisky Tours, Weddings, Outdoor pursuits, Skiing, Walking.

We should be targeting all of these while still coming up with new idea's and new innovative plans to encourage people.

Train tickets for tourist to travel the country for a fixed price like the OAP's, Look at the roads in the Highlands, once you leave Perth they are shocking.
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EK,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 13:44:27
Scotland has rude people, drunks, uneducated and violent neds, youths on drugs, social collapse, rubbish everywhere, broken glass bottles, excess alcohol, cigareete ends, dog dirt, discarded food and food wrappers, gum imprinted on every pavement and road - surely we should be promoting all this to the outside world? Then they'd come in droves from North America to spend a small fortune and ignore all the other countries with clean streets, polite, educated, SOBER citizens, proper historical ruins and a good climate. PS Same applies to rest of UK too.
94

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 13:47:48
96

Well that's you described the central belt nicely, now how about the remaining 85% of Scotland outside the central belt?
95

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/02/2009 13:53:01
97 Excuse me we get more tourists than you do.
96

Brian Hill,

20/02/2009 13:57:36
I would have thought the obvious thing to do would be to continue with the current successful strategy but add the suggestions of our futurologist which we have begun with the current Homecoming campaign.

Let's not be dismissive of this guy, let's listen and be prepared to add to and or modify existing strategies.
97

Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

20/02/2009 14:00:40
Not at all suprised to find that Scottish Castles, Lochs, Tartan, Clans, Whisky and the dreaded Shortbread makes Unionists CRINGE. Some people in the south have always Cringed at the Highland aspects of Scottish Culture.

Well what makes me cringe is driving past Culloden moor each day and thinking about the genocide to the Highlanders endured after the 45 at the hands of the unionists the cold Blooded murder of the population, men, women and children.

What makes me cringe is the burning of the settlements and the Clearances of the population. What makes me cringe is the sycophantic unionists trying to erase Scottish Culture from Scotland because it is not their culture.

I do not cringe at Morris Dancers or the Tower of London. I find other peoples cultures to be fascinating.

I bet Grahamski gets a bone-r when he visits the tower of London wearing his union flag tee shirt.
98

bluepict,

20/02/2009 14:01:22
What a moron!! I wonder if that "futuroloist" eejit is saying the same thing south o' the Border??
99

bluepict,

20/02/2009 14:04:51
I've got the anglophile cringe!! #100
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 14:04:53
98

Per head of population, you most certainly don't.

Gosh, such a whingey comment fae you. Why don't you jsut say "my dad's bigger than your dad"?
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

20/02/2009 14:05:42
98 Observer,,Glasgow 20/02/2009 13:53:01
97 Excuse me we get more tourists than you do.

---------------------------------

Observer,

Edinburgh possibly does get a large number of tourists, Scotland is small enough for most people to travel the length and breadth in a week seeing many sites. I cannot imagine Glasgow is at the top of many tourists lists of places to visit or the reason they come to Scotland. Edinburgh is a considerably better tourist destination than Glasgow but much of the central belt would be void of tourism.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

20/02/2009 14:08:52
#98,

I specifically talking about international tourists rather than Scottish domestic tourism.

I do not tend to meet much Lowland Scots in the Highlands in the Summer time compared to the International tourists.

I worked in tourism for 10 years.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

20/02/2009 14:10:42
103 Dave From Barra,Western Isles 20/02/2009 14:04:53
98

Per head of population, you most certainly don't.

Gosh, such a whingey comment fae you. Why don't you jsut say "my dad's bigger than your dad"?

=====================

Dave,

You are going to get her Angry with ungentlemanly comments like that. I off before the fireworks.

104

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 20/02/2009 14:22:11
The guy's a whack job.
Tartan, shortbread and Royal Mile pipers rule.
105

cgrant,

tyler 20/02/2009 14:24:58
This guy is an idiot. I love Scotland, the land of my ancestry. I go there for the history, the lochs and the castles.

Why did you even give him space to express this sabatoge.
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Agricolus the Dwarf Engineer,

USA 20/02/2009 14:29:17
I visited Scotland last May, and found it to be most enlightening. Yeah, we have taller mountains here, and a huge canyon and lots of other geologic features. But the history and pride are what you Scots have that surpasses much of the rest of the world. People who only think of Scotland as bagpipes and kilts are missing a lot. The land is steeped in history, not just of war, but of incredible achievements.

Don't change a thing.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 20/02/2009 14:32:49
106 I'm not angry Alistair I just get bored with stupid comments made about Glasgow, as tourism is a major part of Glasgow's economy as any ignoramus could establish by a simple search on the GCC web-site.

Come summer you can't move for tourists in the City centre, you are tripping over them. So when you combine the tourism we attract, and Edinburgh, we get more than Dave does.
108

Chico Mendez,

20/02/2009 14:34:00
11 Sierra Foothills Scot
Quote: The most important thing the industry could do in the short run is start a campaign to get rid of "tartan tat" and cheap foreign kilt shops such as the obnoxious ones near Edinburgh Castle. Also forbid them from playing music than can be heard outside the shops.

I agree that the "tartan tat" is very corny but all these shops are run by the same family of Aisans who are offering souvenirs to tourists at cheap prices. Whilst I acknowledge that the quality Scottish shops sell good souvenirs they are over priced for the majority of weekend tourists who just want something tartan to take home. Like it or not it sells and good luck to them for finding a niche market. Perhaps the Tourist Board should consult them before launching a new campaign.
109

Judy Lowstuter,

Annandale, Virginia 20/02/2009 14:34:38
Let the rest of the world do as it pleases. There is only one Scotland, [it is] the one to which visitors are drawn and feel 'connected.' It's why many travelers return time and time again. Even those without any Scottish ancestry feel that Scotland has magic that steals their heart and invades their soul. Let's hope that those things never change. If that's kitsch, bring it on.
110

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 14:35:34
110

But daddy is bigger than yours. But per head of population, you most certainly don't. But of course, life doesn't exist outside the central belt, does it? Tell me, do you offer them a dram? Do you tell them where that dram comes from? Or thier "local cuisine" such as venison?
111

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland 20/02/2009 14:35:35
So farewell, Anna Watt, last surviving sibling of the Scottish singing duo Fran and Anna.

Like most people, I first encountered them on the 70s variety programme Thingummyjig, where even the compere Jack MacLaughlin sounded like he wasn't sure if they were for real.

It was hard to tell what was more outrageous, their over the top renditions of classic songs - nothing was ruled out from Donald Where's Yer Troosers to Chanson L'Amour - or their costumes - mini-skirts and fishnets and quirky little hats, a carbon copy it seemed of the outfits they'd worn as child performers.

And while people mocked, others just couldn't look away. Sir Terry Wogan was left almost speechless by an appearance they made on his TV chatshow.

They were simply above irony.

I think a bronze in Sauchiehall Street should be commisioned in their honour.
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Sylvia in Regina,

Canada 20/02/2009 14:36:54
We love visiting Scotland, plus all the Castles, Loch Lomand, Loch Ness,(even the Falkirk Wheel), etc., and enjoy our relatives taking us to many of the sites - and yes!! Over and over again, as we never get tired of seeing such beauty.

Our first trip was with our children who were piping and drumming in our local Fraser Pipe Band in 1976 - and my husband and I have been making the wonderful trip over every few years ever since. We had hoped to go over this year, but due to a back operation 9 weeks ago, can't go, but we are planning to have a long and pleasant visit in 2010 instead.

#96 EK: We all have these terrible things in our City as well - and we just have to make the best of it and try and help those that need it, and hope things will get better.
113

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 14:37:26
"Come summer you can't move for tourists in the City centre, you are tripping over them" Observer

Yup, heaving with them waiting for buses and trains getting the heck outta glasgow and into the hielans and islans!

hahahaha
114

Observer,,

20/02/2009 14:40:10
113 Have you ever been to Glasgow ? Of course we can offer tourists a dram and tell them where it comes from, from some of the finest gantry's in the world.

We can also offer them some of the best architecture, theatre, drama, music, museums, galleries, shopping, libraries, parks, restarants, cinemas and other holiday experiences in Europe.

So stop being so bloody ignorant.
115

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 14:43:52
Edinburgh Crystal do a line of crystal balls, just the thing for a futurologist.

Kross my palm with Kroner,
116

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 14:44:35
"So stop being so bloody ignorant"

Aye, that is most definately a 2 way street.

Have I ever lived in glasgow? Yes, for 2 years. What a shoite hole. Prefered my time in Edinburgh. A much more civilised place and better architecture, theatre, drama, music, museums etc etc
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DMacIntosh,

Toronto 20/02/2009 14:45:27
The problem as I see it is a general lack of disposable income for tourism. I would be surprised if the expected numbers are met for 2009. I loved my trip to Scotland in 1995 and if you did not have the historical "kitch" my trip would have greatly lessened.
Beware of experts who denigrate your/our great heritage.
118

observer9,

20/02/2009 14:45:55
Kitsch is cash.

Don't lose sight of that, ever.

Bluesky thinking etc has it's place, get the mix right, the old, the new and the funky and it will work.

Make people feel welcome, take care of their needs above our own and profits will come.
119

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 14:47:07
#117

I remember a clip from Chewin the Fat, the bit where they wriggle their fingers below their chins and say OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
120

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/02/2009 14:48:21
119 So you don't like Glasgow. Big deal, we can't all have taste. But your comments about tourism were unjustified, if you had any grace you'd withdraw them.
121

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 14:49:22
123

What comments?
122

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 20/02/2009 14:50:11
Look! There's a haggis, Over there! Och ye missed it...Oh well maybe next time...
123

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 14:52:45
http://www.itskitsch.co.uk/

Kitsch (/k?t?/) is the German and Yiddish word denoting art that is considered an inferior, tasteless copy of an extant style of art. The term kitsch was a response to the 19th century art whose aesthetics convey exaggerated sentimentality and melodrama, hence, kitsch art is closely associated with sentimental art. Moreover, kitsch (art) also denotes the types of art that are like-wise æsthetically deficient (whether or not it is sentimental, glamorous, theatrical, or creative) making it a creative gesture that merely imitates the superficial appearances of art (via repeated conventions and formulae), thus, it is uncreative and unoriginal; it is not Art. Contemporaneously, kitsch also (loosely) denotes art that is æsthetically pretentious to the degree of being in poor taste, and to industrially-produced art-items that are considered trite and crass.

Wonder if the Germans decided the Mini was kitsch?
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Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland 20/02/2009 14:55:57
Rab C Nesbitt on Glasgoe City of Culture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJjNu81E_Zc
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Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 14:59:50
River City is a Scottish television drama which first broadcast on 24 September 2002. It is produced and broadcast by BBC Scotland weekly, and is set in the fictional Glasgow suburb of Shieldinch. Although mostly set in and around Greater Glasgow, River City also includes characters from other parts of Scotland and further afield, such as Aberdeen, the Western Isles, Ireland, Italy, Poland and the USA.
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Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 15:01:25
Monarch of the Glen is a television drama, produced by Ecosse Films for BBC Scotland and originally broadcast on BBC One in the United Kingdom.

The series was created by Michael Chaplin and produced by Nick Pitt, Paddy Higson, Jeremy Gwilt, Stephen Garwood and Rob Bullock. The show saw many directors, most notably Edward Bennett, Richard Signy, Rick Stroud and Robert Knights; and many writers including Chaplin, Niall Leonard, John Martin Johnson, Leslie Stewart and Jeremy Front. The series premiered in February 2000, and its seventh and final series was broadcast from September 2005 until October 2005 - with 64 episodes in total.

Monarch of the Glen is loosely based on Compton Mackenzie's Highland Novels, which are set in the same location but in the 1930s and 1940s. The first book in the series is called The Monarch of the Glen (with a conscious reference to the famous Landseer stag painting). The television drama has been heavily criticised for its "liberty-taking", particularly as Mackenzie, a co-founder of the Scottish National Party, was satirising the pretences of Scotland's thoroughly anglicised nobility. The first five series of Monarch of the Glen told the story of young restaurateur, Archie MacDonald, trying to restore his childhood home in the Scottish Highlands, starring Alastair Mackenzie, Richard Briers, Susan Hampshire and Dawn Steele, whilst the final two series of the show focused on new Laird Paul Bowman trying to modernise the estate, primarily starring Lloyd Owen, Tom Baker, Alexander Morton and, once again, Susan Hampshire.
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marmalade sandwich,

running a tourism business 20/02/2009 15:03:39
Anyone who was watching the 1st instalment of Billy Connolly's Canada trip last night will know what a load of nonsense Lindkvist is talking.

International visitors expect to see the iconic Scottish landscapes, the kilts, the highland games, the whisky distilleries and so on.

What needs to happen is better service, genuine welcome and good food available at all price ranges.
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Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 15:13:44
http://www.taste-of-scotland.com/

Welcome to one of the most popular and extensively used restaurant web sites in Scotland. Our aim is the promotion of Scottish restaurants, hotels and other eating places as well as recommendations for food producers and suppliers based in Scotland who we believe offer quality products and service reflecting traditional or innovative Scottish cuisine.
129

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 15:16:29
http://www.enjoy-taste-scotland.com/

Tesco’s Enjoy the Taste of Scotland took place at George Square, Glasgow on 26th & 27th April.

The event attracted over 100 suppliers, 21,000 visitors and media coverage across TV, radio and press.

Tesco would like to thank everyone that attended and was involved with this years’ hugely successful event and look forward to an even bigger and better Enjoy the Taste of Scotland in 2009.
130

Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks Californiacation 20/02/2009 15:17:14
What do you all expect, the man is an expert in Futuroligy he knows nothing about reality! We have thousands like him here in Los Angeles.
131

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 15:18:35
http://www.neildrover.com/taste_scotland.htm

A plethora of all things Scottish
132

Ewan Randall,

20/02/2009 15:21:14
Do we know why we attract the number of tourists we do?

Have we any idea the kind of things which the tourists are not so keen on?

When this “expert” says “Ditch the Kitsch” do we know which aspects of our culture they are talking about?

Are we talking cultural snobbery here or is it truly an attempt at being constructive?

How do we handle cultural icons if they are considered as being kitsch?

Might we be talking about the type of things which are being pushed onto the tourists to buy?
133

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 15:22:52
07/07/2005

International media were treated to some of the very best Scottish food and drink at the G8 Summit last night.

Featuring a mixture of traditional and new cuisine, the
Taste of Scotland event gave journalists and dignitaries the opportunity to sample some of Scotland's best known delights such as whisky, haggis and smoked salmon, along with freshly harvested Loch Fyne oysters and Scottish cheeses and farm produce.

First Minister Jack McConnell welcomed the hundreds of
international journalists who attended the event.

He said:"Welcome to G8 Scotland and welcome to the best small country in the world.

"This is the most significant and most high profile
event in advance of the G8 Summit in the past decade.

"Six years ago we created our new Scottish Parliament -
the biggest constitutional change in the UK for 300 years. We've got powers to make decisions over our own domestic affairs but we are also a part of the United Kingdom."

First Minister at Taste of Scotland G8 summit

Mr McConnell continued by saying that as part of the
United Kingdom, Scotland was proud to welcome the G8.

He said that although most people know Scotland from
films such as Braveheart and Rob Roy, the story of modern Scotland is just as impressive. It is the place where television and penicillin were invented and the first country to clone an animal - Dolly the sheep.

He continued:

"Scotland is the first country in the world to have
universal education.

"We not only have the biggest cultural festival in the
world but the land that is known for Robert Burns is also
known for Harry Potter."

He concluded by saying:

"We are hoping that this week, you don't just enjoy the
reception but you enjoy the decisions made on Scotland's
soil that will change the world."
134

Breezy,

Argyll 20/02/2009 16:07:09
Millions of people have emigrated from Scotland's shores over the centuries, to countries all over the globe, and for many different reasons.

Their descendants often return whether for genealogical purposes or simply to say they have magically set foot in ' The Auld Country.'
For whatever reasons they, and others, have for visiting Scotland it would be heartening to think that they recieve a warm welcome and get true value for money while they are here.

Unfortunately there are places offering accomodation and prices that certainly don't come up to scratch, and still need to be dragged screaming into the 21st Century, and the sooner the better for everyone.

The internet has fortunately gone a very long way to helping tourists avoid these places, and with a little homework before setting off they can be assured of a holiday to remember for all the right reasons.




135

Richard Lionheart,

20/02/2009 16:18:12
How much did this guy get paid for this? We should get a refund!

Is he part of the UN IPCC?

WE are told that Edinburgh HAS to have Trams because everybody else has them. Then we are told we have to stop promoting the Positives of our Tourist attractions because everybody else is copying us.

Duh!!!!
136

Fairfax,

20/02/2009 16:31:15
Daveunderwater (136): "It is the place where television and penicillin were invented"

It isn't: Logie Baird's laboratory was in London, as was Fleming's. Further, penicillin in a useful form was perfected by Chain and Florey in Oxford.
137

Fairfax,

20/02/2009 16:40:13
Breezy (137): "For whatever reasons they, and others, have for visiting Scotland it would be heartening to think that they recieve a warm welcome and get true value for money while they are here."

What's your view on the welcome given to the English in Scotland? Presumably the English comprise the majority of tourists in Scotland (except possibly for Scottish internal tourism).
138

Bill St. James,

Florence, Massachusetts, U.S. 20/02/2009 16:43:40
Speaking as an American tourist, the very reason I went to Scotland is exactly for the beauty of your country and its historic places.

Please, please do not change on the doubtful principle that you need to attract folks to the Scottish version of Disney World.
139

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 16:46:01
Shutting down the Tartan Tat shops in Princes Street and the High Street would be a good start.

How they are allowed to place loudspeakers out on the pavement and turn the place into a disco is beyond belief.

If every shop did the the streets would become no-go areas.

They have absolutely no consideration for the people living and working nearby.
140

The Browne Gothic,

Medieaval Nottinghamshire 20/02/2009 16:49:44
How much is the advice for pumpkin seeding young Mc Squirrel so nearly a squirrel mcmuffin worth? Time span? About 10 minutes.
141

Breezy,

Argyll 20/02/2009 16:55:20
The welcome given to the english here in Argyll is excellent, otherwise the hotels in the area would not be full of english folk every week. Bus parties from all parts of England pull into hotels here every week without fail, the local Holiday Park also.

Are you suggesting that the welcome elsewhere in Scotland is any different ?
142

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 20/02/2009 17:00:28
#65 Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen -

No, she doesn't sound like a true American, she sounds like a true Harridan. The vast majority of Americans are not like her, thank God.
143

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 17:14:05
# 142 Rufus

“How they are allowed to place loudspeakers out on the pavement and turn the place into a disco is beyond belief.”

I suspect you really mean “why are” as opposed to “how”.

However, why don’t you ask the previous Labour Party administration of Edinburgh City Council, who granted the necessary permission, why this might be the case?

144

Ewan Oosami,

20/02/2009 17:18:23
#68 I don't see the connection between your brainless rant and my post - incidentally you don't get any more right wing than me.
Education is a wonderful thing - why not put your name down for one?
145

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 17:20:27
146 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 20/02/2009 17:14:05
# 142 Rufus

“How they are allowed to place loudspeakers out on the pavement and turn the place into a disco is beyond belief.”
I suspect you really mean “why are” as opposed to “how”.
However, why don’t you ask the previous Labour Party administration of Edinburgh City Council, who granted the necessary permission, why this might be the case?
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Thanks for the correction.

Its happening now, so why blame the previous administration.
146

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 17:21:42
Lets not forget this gem
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bully wee alba,
Edinburgh 16/02/2009 12:45:42
Do don’t appear to be very bright.
147

Fairfax,

20/02/2009 17:28:11
Breezy (144): "Are you suggesting that the welcome elsewhere in Scotland is any different ?"

It varies. My experience in Scotland is generally very good, but anti-English hostility seems to be more common now than it used to be.
148

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 17:30:19
150 Fairfax,20/02/2009 17:28:11
Breezy (144): "Are you suggesting that the welcome elsewhere in Scotland is any different ?"
It varies. My experience in Scotland is generally very good, but anti-English hostility seems to be more common now than it used to be.
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Correct.
Its rampant.
Do not forget the poor girl that was attacked in Aberdeen.
They still have not caught the culprit.
149

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 17:41:21
A Hull man has received an apology from a company that addressed a letter to him by his disability, not his name. The letter began, "Dear Mr Blindman".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/7901016.stm

Such occurrences are more common than you think.

Bully Wee Alba receives hundreds of letters every week addressed to a Mr NoBrain.
150

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/02/2009 17:43:45
Yawn, here they come with the ''growing'' anti-English comments again. ZZZZZZZZZZZ.
151

Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 20/02/2009 17:48:09
Stop listening to unproven theorists and ask the tourist what they came to see. There are two principal kinds of tourists to Scotland. Ex pats and their descendants on a nostalgia trip and 'non Scottish' visitors who love the romanticism of the heather , highlands, old castles, lochs etc and yes the tartan tat too! Much of this they had experienced at school, movies and books. They certainly do not come for the sparkling sunny beaches, snorkeling, scuba diving, sun drenched vineyards and luxury resorts of the competition. It's ironic that someone derided the Falkirk wheel. I had been away for years until about the 70's and only learned about the 'Wheel' from non Scottish fellow 'Canadians' who thought it worth seeing. Naturally on my next trip, I made a point of seeing it. I don't know why we are asking a Swede to restructure our tourist propaganda.

If it ain't broke don't fix it!
152

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 17:49:50
#149 Rufus

Thank goodness that we can rely upon people like you who support a government which has brought the UK into debt exceeding 147% of GDP.

We respect you!

We applaud you!

Unfortunately, for you and your ilk,

We are chasing you!
153

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 17:53:07
155 Labour lies,20/02/2009 17:45:38
I see you got banned again Rufus, what was it for this time?
Being obnoxious
Lying
Faking
Trolling
Being a weirdo and a nutter
So many to choose from…
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Oh Dear.

Labour Lies, living proof that Care in the Community is not working.
154

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 17:55:06
157 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 20/02/2009 17:49:50
#149 Rufus
Thank goodness that we can rely upon people like you who support a government which has brought the UK into debt exceeding 147% of GDP.
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147% are you sure?

Mind you, 147% is better than 2147% which it would have been if we had been independent.
155

LJdeCalifornia,

Hayward 20/02/2009 18:00:31
I've visited Scotland twice and hope to return again soon. As an American with Scottish heritage I love walking around places where my ancestors and more recent relatives lived. As a native Californian I love just being where I can see REALLY old buildings and ruins. I love interacting with the people, and just shopping at a Tesco gives me a thrill. I am a budget tourist and stay in self-catering apartments, so wouldn't be interested in luxury vacations. I enjoyed seeing the Falkirk Wheel as much as I enjoyed visiting ancient cathedrals, etc.

However, I do know people who dislike anything less modern than circa 1950. It would be good to promote the new buildings and attractions as well as the old ones.
156

LJdeCalifornia,

Hayward 20/02/2009 18:08:32
Re #96 comments about undesirable aspects like drunks and rubbish:

We have all of that here in the U.S. as well. You can't always just see the censored parts of a country, unless you just go to someplace like Disneyland!
157

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 18:09:08
#159 Rufus

Yes, I’m sure, are you ?

From The Guardian 28/01/09
“Britain's economy will be the hardest hit in the developed world in what is expected to be the "deepest recession since the second world war," the International Monetary Fund said today.
The IMF now expects the UK economy to shrink by 2.8% this year, compared with the 1.3% it was forecasting in November. This is worse than the 2% average drop in output the organisation has estimated for advanced nations.
Global growth is expected to fall to 0.5% this year as the "scale and scope of the current financial crisis have taken the global economy into uncharted waters".
Official figures last week confirmed that Britain fell into recession at the end of 2008. The UK economy slumped by 1.5% in the final three months of the year – worse than expected and sparking fears of a deep and prolonged recession. Over 2008 as a whole, the British economy shrank by 0.7%.”

158

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 18:11:47
163 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 20/02/2009 18:09:08
#159 Rufus

Yes, I’m sure, are you ?
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Bully Boy, what are you expecting?

Have a look outside your window, there is a global crisis on.

Unless of course you believe that an Independent Scotland would have been unaffected by it.
159

danbob,

20/02/2009 18:17:24
(Janeshore 152#) Just to highlight your point. Calmac sell the discounted vouchers for the books of ten tickets between Wemyss Bay-Rothesay and dont advertise these. The locals know about them. But the tourists don't. Time Calmac was challenged since they love their subsidies. I am willing to bet this practise is illegal.
160

From this Flower , safety,

London. 20/02/2009 18:28:17
Being English and as a frequent visitor to Scotland I can confirm a friendly and kind welcome from Scots . I can also confirm Scotland as an excellent holiday destination , but that is true of the whole of the UK and especially London . It is true though that prices do tend to be high . The kitsch is sometimes a bit to much , especially in London . But thats true everywhere I suppose .
161

Iowa Gal,

Newton, Iowa, USA 20/02/2009 18:34:56
I whole heartedly agree with #2...Scotland is a beautiful country with a history to be proud of. I was unaware of all the outdoor things Scotland had to offer which does need to be promoted more...Born and raised in the midwest, USA and from a country with little history I was fascinated by Scotland when we visited.
162

Breezy,

Argyll 20/02/2009 18:37:24
#165
Don't use the Calmac Ferries so can't comment on them, but Western Ferries from Gourock ( McInroy's Point ) to Dunoon ( Hunters Quay ) use the same practice you've described, books of ten can be bought locally almost halving the fare of someone just driving onto the ferry without a ticket.
163

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 20/02/2009 18:57:34
So, to re-cap:

So according to the this fellow we should be promoting "adventure holidays", "diaspora tours" and "study holidays".

Ok.

"adventure holidays" = lochs and mountains
"diaspora tours" = tartan and clans and Gaelic/Scots/Doric
"study tours" = ancient castles, Gaelic/Scots/Doric

Got it. Sorted.
164

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 19:02:56
#164

I don't see much evidence of a recession in Dubai, who have the same oil reserves as we have in Scotland...
165

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/02/2009 19:25:48
161 I find comments such as the one from Rufus @ 151 extremely boring, because it is a knee-jerk reaction with no apparent foundation in reality. Why should anti-English feeling be on the rise ? I would say it has diminished, because the Scots are losing a lot of their long held sense of grievance. You hold a grievance if you think you are powerless. Why would people feel powerless when the SNP run the Government ? It doesn't make sense, and there is no evidence, other than anecdotal, to support it.
166

Kitti Kat,

Newtown Square 20/02/2009 19:49:05
Send that idiot back to Sweden and the idiots who brought him to Scotland with him. I have been visiting Scotland every year since 1984. Why? Because of the beautiful scenery, villages, and of course , the people who call Scotland home. The history, beatuy of the country,e tc. is what draws tourists to Scotland. And some, like me, yearly. If the powers that be want to add on other attractions to the promos, fine, but people will be more interested in the heritage, etc.Modern stuff we can get here (and in most countries), It is the history, people, etc. that bring me back.
167

Jake_in_NY,

New York 20/02/2009 19:57:54
I have long felt that the traditional approach of Scottish tourist organizations has failed. Ask any North American what Scotland is famous for and they will give you one or more of the following. Drunkenness, Cigarette Smoke, Bad Teeth, Football Violence, Terrible Food, Abominable Service, Lousy Weather, Victorian-era opening hours for shopping and streets flowing with dog faeces.
The poor service in hotels, restaurants and bars is only a tad above the post-Soviet bloc countries. The Scottish Tourist Visitors office shop on St Vincent Street in Glasgow is a perfect example of the utterly fabricated Scotland that exists in the minds of a Scottish Tourist Authority whose ideas dried up and fossilized decades ago. Maybe that is the problem - the problems of the real Scotland are too much to overcome so lets invent a Scotland for the tourists.
Which is a pity because Scotland probably has an arts scene to rival any in the world. How come after 25 years in the US I have yet to see an advert for the Edinburgh Festival or Celtic Connections. The Art Galleries in Glasgow are world-class and absolutely awesome. The city architecture of both Glasgow and Edinburgh are simply amazing. While the countryside of Scotland is magnificent - it is hardly enough to merit a week long stay - is it any wonder most tour packages to the U.K. offer a day - maybe 2 in Scotland. Scotland needs to get real about tourism - every country in Europe has its castles and mountains (except Holland of course) but there must be something more sellable in Scotland than Heelan Coos and Haggis.

168

areader,

Chilliwack Canada 20/02/2009 20:25:24
As a tour operator who has brought North Americans to Scotland for the past 23 years, I can assure everyone that the mountains and castles have a great appeal. I guess we could be more contemporary and do guided walks outside the pubs on weekend nights past the totally wasted young people throwing up with great passion over their historic streets. Gee, I wonder which of the above our guests would prefer?
169

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

20/02/2009 21:11:19
175...Thats a bit of a generalisation mate..."Ask any North American"....really...mmmmh...you have spoken to them all then?...wonder what us Scots think of the folk in New York...lets see...cosmetically enhanced (including the teeth)big mouthed, arrogant fat..nay obese!..racist idiots...and those are not the ones who are waiting to rob you in the streets...still you can "Have a nice day!"

But no..that would be stereotyping and extremely fkn stupid of us now wouldnt it?...
170

MVP,

Dallas, Texas 20/02/2009 21:16:31
My husband and I both love Scotland as it is. Vist whenever we can. The people are great, the scenery is overwhelming, and the food has improved over the last 25 years tremendously. However, that said, if you want tourists, do something about the roads! We have driven through sheep pastures, into deadly small stone walls (destroyed a few left front tires) and practically off cliffs. We have a lot of places there we want to go to, but can't get there.
171

Jake_in_NY,

20/02/2009 21:17:40
RE HORRIBLE CANKERS REPLY

Oh I forgot one - insufferable racist arrogance.
172

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/02/2009 21:39:09
176 I could give your customers an excellent walking tour of Byres Rd. From Oran Mor to Lismore. Then back. Do you want to talk terms ?
173

Phil the Flooter,

20/02/2009 22:26:15
Wow it only took 23 posts before the first 'Its aye the English's Fault' Cringerant.
174

Breezy,

Argyll 20/02/2009 22:27:43
#181
Spent some of my best schooldays walking Byres Rd, still do the nostalgia trip now and again. Although nowadays I can do without the Curlers !

Thats a right good offer 176 !
175

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 22:36:05
177 Canes Pugnaces,20/02/2009 20:30:40


164. Rufus-T-Firefly

"2147%"

Do you have any proof whatsoever for that figure or are you simply 'doing down scotland'?
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Clearly it was a made up figure but the point remains.
176

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 22:36:52
177 Canes Pugnaces,20/02/2009 20:30:40

Has it dawned on you yet that HBOs & RBS are as 'British' as Lloyds, they operate within the UK. Anyone of them going down in an Independent Scotland would have brought down the remnants of the UK.....
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Why?
177

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 22:38:11
177 Canes Pugnaces,20/02/2009 20:30:40
The VAT cut has failed, the fiscal stimulus has failed, we are getting a revision of predictions on the conomy ranging from 'it'll be far worse' to 'ten years of recession' and 'deflation'...

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The Global Recession has been under-estimated by nearly everybody and for every country.

So not sure what your point is.
178

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 22:39:20
177 Canes Pugnaces,20/02/2009 20:30:40
There has never been a better time to get out of the UK.
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What about during the blitz?

It might have been worse then.
179

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 22:40:16
177 Canes Pugnaces,20/02/2009 20:30:40
Your arguments seem to be facile and cringeworthy, have you always been a bit cowardly?
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You are confusing me with 'Labour Lies'.
180

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 22:55:23
#190

Scotland invented the modern banking system, indeed Adam Smith another famous Scot, is the father of modern economics. So you see Scotland has always had a strong financial pedigree.

Is Rufus T Firefly a pedigree name a pet dog perhaps are Labordoodles a pedigree breed?
181

RufusT-Firefly,

20/02/2009 22:57:42
190 Daveunderwater,20/02/2009 22:55:23
#190
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Talking to yourself again?
182

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 22:59:53
Henry Duncan was an outstanding man of vision and compassion, whose concern for the underprivileged led to the founding of a great banking movement in a tiny cottage by the Solway — and behind that tour de force there is a remarkable story, which begins in the Manse at Lochrutton where he was born on 8th October 1774.

The young Henry's education started early, under the guidance of his father, before he was enrolled at Dumfries Academy. Later he would spend time at the universities of St. Andrew's, Edinburgh and Glasgow, but his academic life was interrupted when he was 16, in a move which foreshadowed the great achievement of his life. A relative of his father, Dr. James Currie the biographer of Robert Burns, offered to find employment for Henry in Liverpool where two of his brothers already worked. So after only two terms he left university to begin a career with Heywood's Bank.

Strangely, for a man who would prove to be such a skilled entrepreneur, a dedicated mercantile life was not for him — after only three years he returned to Scotland and university, where he prepared for the ministry. With hindsight it seems almost inevitable that he would enter the Church; his father and grandfather were ministers, and through both sides of his family he claimed connections with 150 clerics in a lineage that could be traced almost to the Covenanters.
183

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 23:04:34
#192

That's interesting,

What the paragraph on Henry Duncan?

No the bit about Labordoodles,

Ahhh
184

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 23:08:44
#193

Born at Lossiemouth in a traditional two-room cottage, Ramsay MacDonald was the illegitimate son of Mary Ramsay and a ploughman named MacDonald. He was educated at a local board school in Drainie and read enthusiastically outside of school. For a time he became a pupil teacher at the school in which he had been a pupil.

He became the first Labour Prime Minister

I wonder if Gordon Brown will be the last?
185

St. George,

Lancashire 20/02/2009 23:11:42
23. The scenery is fine, it is people of your ilk that tourists should avoid. Bigot.
186

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 23:19:02
#194

To get back to Labordoodles, are they a pedigree breed?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/golden_retriever/pedigree/112248.html

Well the Rufus T Firefly name has been used for a golden retriever, you can see the line greeding at the site above...

WOOF WOOF WOOOFUS!!!
187

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 23:22:12
#195

Good evening Sir killed any dragons of late?

188

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 23:25:17
Who was the real St George and what did he do to become England's patron saint?

St George was a brave Roman soldier who protested against the Romans' torture of Christians and died for his beliefs. The popularity of St George in England stems from the time of the early Crusades when it is said that the Normans saw him in a vision and were victorious.

I see you too are of Italian lineage, any relation to the Bonnie Prince Charlie?
189

Breezy,

Argyll 20/02/2009 23:25:30
#195
You've lost that bleedin' dragon again, aintja.
190

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 23:26:56
Dragon-Slaying Patron Saint of England

One of the best-known stories about Saint George is his fight with a dragon. But it is highly unlikely that he ever fought a dragon, and even more unlikely that he ever actually visited England. Despite this, St George is known throughout the world as the dragon-slaying patron saint of England.
191

Tobytoo,

Southington, U.S.A. 20/02/2009 23:29:59
#94 Number 6 (to answer for #84 if he/she does not mind)
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I have not travelled to every part of the world but have been to many places and yes Scotland is beautiful and rich in history but there is many other places also. I was very surprized at the beauty that I found in Croatia and along the Adriatic Coast also China has some dramatic scenery. I also found Czech Republic interesting with all its castles and history,Prague
being one of my favorite cities.
192

Daveunderwater,

Creative Scotland's National Party 20/02/2009 23:30:06
St George is always depicted as a knight carrying a shield with a red cross (or a banner with a red cross), generally sitting upon a horse and always killing a dragon.

But in reality he should be dressed as a Roman Soldier intervening when Christians are being thrown to the lions in the Colloseum in Rome.

A brave fellow indeed!!
193

Daveunderwater,

20/02/2009 23:33:18
#201

It has no connection with St George, but one of my favourite places is the Amalfi Coast near the Bay of Naples.

One can have a thrilling ride on a Lambretta along the twisting coastal route.

Fireflys flit amongst the scented Lemon Trees at dusk.
194

MSMD,

Philippines 21/02/2009 01:20:43
As I always give my nationality as Scottish people tell me how much they would have liked to visit Scotland BUT they could not find a tour which included Scotland with London.!!
195

Rothiemurchus 55,

USA 21/02/2009 05:49:18
I LOVE SCOTLAND. My family spent 9 days in 2007, stayed in a castle, Edinburgh,and Highlands. Best trip ever for all of us (16). We all plan to return as money is available. Hope to get to Glenfinnian and Skye next time...Also want more time at Bannockburn!
196

Fairfax,

21/02/2009 09:47:51
Daveunderwater (200): "Despite this, St George is known throughout the world as the dragon-slaying patron saint of England."

That's a very parochial view. St. George is also the patron saint of, amongst many others, Aragon, Catalonia, Georgia, Greece, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Russia and Serbia. The Dragon-slaying is a relatively recent myth, usually dated to the Crusades. In Orthodox states, his story is much more realistic: the favoured young soldier of Emperor Diocletian who refused to renounce his faith when Diocletian began the last great persecution of Christianity in the late 3rd century.
197

observator,

Edinburgh 21/02/2009 13:14:03
A New York opera fan told me a few years ago she was dropping the Edinburgh Festival because the opera stagings were like things she could see any day of the week back home. She was warning her friends. However, people like her will pay for the good stuff, and spend on taxis, restaurants and hotels without placing a burden on emergency services and the police, so are more attractive as a market than the rock fans. Cultural tourists are possibly the best kind, and that is how tourism started.
198

andersm0,

Kamloops, BC, Canada 21/02/2009 16:44:41
The reason I would visit Scotland would be the castles, lochs and history. If any of you know Ann of Green Gables, the saddest thing I ever saw was how they changed the house and surrounding area into a plastic imitation of Disneyland in Prince Edward Island, Canada. We didn't even stop in when we were visiting the province.

We all have to remember what makes each region and country special and leave the copycatting out of it. In a synthetic culture we yearn for authenticity and Scotland is a rich source of history and grounding for people throughout the world.
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Scottyt,

Saint Paul, 21/02/2009 20:20:09
Absolutely Numbers 2 and 11.
However, the hotel industry staffs, B&B staffs & Eatery staffs need to be a whole lot LESS sullen and surly when dealing with the tourists or because of their treatment of said tourists, they could stop going to Scotland.
And don't ever depend on the "British" Embassy or the Consulates to promote ANYTHING Scottish; the Scottish Tourist Board needs to do the promoting especially here in the Upper Midwest of the U.S. And, get friendlier people into the hotels, etc. Maybe Donald Trump can promote Scotland soon; even though he has now filed for bankruptcy for the THIRD time!!!!
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Scottyt,

Saint Paul, 21/02/2009 20:21:35
That Swede needs to stay home!
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Yankee girl,

California 21/02/2009 20:34:25
Don't listen to Brian Ferguson. If I wanted a "luxury short-break destination" I'd stay in California. Scotland has so much more to offer - history, archeology, castles, tartans, great food, great people, great scenery - oh, and great accents!!

#171 Jake_in_NY, you cast shame on the rest of America. Obviously, you haven't explored Scotland beyond a very narrow scope. Get out of you tour bus and do some hiking, explore some brochs and cairns, sit in a pub and talk to a Scot. Forget about the level of service in a big city hotel. The US has the same problem and I HAVE seen dog poo on the sidewalk in a large US city. As for the weather, it is what it is - get over it.
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Scottyt,

Saint Paul, 21/02/2009 20:40:47
Right on #207!!
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MoiraMac,

21/02/2009 21:21:27
#76 & #111

I have no problem with tourists buying tat, that's up to them. My problem is that the Tartan Tat merchants display their merchandise out on the street and hanging from the buildings and play their bloody music all day long. If tourists are so keen to buy tat surely they can enter the shop and make their purchase quietly without disrupting the whole neighbourhood.

You say tourists are not stupid, Well,having spend many years working as a travel rep I would have to disagree with you. I'm convinced something strange happens to peoples brains when they become tourists.
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Scottish Canadian,

ottawa canada 21/02/2009 21:31:07
87 AND 88- Why are you busting my chops? Your country was complimented on its people and places and you give me stick? If I tell you when I'm coming, can you arrange not to be there?
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Cay,

Lakewood, Ohio 21/02/2009 21:39:05
I visited Scotland to visit the historical sites, castles, lochs, everything associated with the old! I wanted to understand and see where my GreatGrandmother had been born and raised until her young adult life, prior to leaving to be married in the USA.
It is tha charm of the old that drew myself and the 30 others on our trip.
I'm proud to be part Scotish.
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Robert Burns,

Ocean Beach (San Diego), California, U.S.A. 21/02/2009 23:48:54
Why are consulting a Swedish academic for a Scottish Enterprise workshop for industry figures? What successful new initiatives has he or his Swedes created in Sweden? To experimentally write music in new genres althewhile abandoning your platinum records is foolhardy at best. And, I'll not be going to Croatia even if you parade naked ladies and give away money there.
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Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks Californiacation 23/02/2009 00:51:36
#171 Has certainly gained a lot of information in his ONE "preumably" terrible trip to scotland!
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L Morton,

Houston 23/02/2009 14:01:24
I come every year to Scotland for the beautiful scenery, the castle ruins and for the Haggis! The people have always been kind to me and I love the rich history that is Scotland. To forego all of this based on a Swedish futurologist is to lose the very character that makes up your beautiful country! He should be telling his homeland what to do to drum up tourism - I have yet to hear one good reason to set foot on their soil!
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jacglen,

Orange 24/02/2009 05:06:55
Being of Scottish decent (born and raised in the States), I go to Scotland for all it has to offer. I go to Scotland for the castles and the Lochs and all that is Scotland. If I could only go one place in the world, it would be to Scotland so I can learn more about my favourite place to be. To say that these images are, basically, "outdated" is absurd. I love Edinburgh, Glasgow, and everywhere else I've been able to visit there. I have friends in Scotland (and England). The weather is what it is (as with anywhere), and if one has had a bad time in Scotland, it is of one's own choice. I'm proud of my Scottish Heritage, the Tartan I'm linked to. I think that #171 must have visited a quite different place than the Scotland I've experienced in all the times I have been priviledged to go there. I also feel that the views of Swedish academic Magnus Lindkvist, are just that, his views. I don't feel a half-day workshop will show anything except that it is just his opinion - incorrect as it is. The Scottish tourist industry and VisitScotland are doing just fine without outside interference. (And) I can hardly wait to get back to Scotland with all the Castles and Lochs and Tartans.

 

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