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Europe's anti-terror laws blocked 'because Holyrood not consulted'



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Published Date: 10 January 2008
MPS have blocked plans to adopt new EU proposals on terrorism because ministers failed to consult the Scottish Government, The Scotsman has learned.
A committee of MPs has told Home Office ministers they must first consult the SNP administration before the European Commission agreement, which lays out a framework of anti-terror laws to be adopted by member states, is formally introduced.

In a copy of a report by the European Scrutiny Committee seen by The Scotsman, members reject claims by Tom McNulty, the Home Office minister, that no consultation with Scotland is necessary because counter- terrorism is not devolved.

Michael Connarty, the Labour MP for Linlithgow and East Falkirk and committee chairman, told The Scotsman: "One of the reasons we have decided not to pass this is because they have not consulted the Scottish devolved administration. The minister's view was that it was a reserved matter, but it's not when you look at the Scotland Act."

He pointed out that counter-terrorism strategies were pursued using domestic laws and Scotland has its own justice system. Issues such as policing and extradition, for example, are the responsibility of Holyrood.

Mr Connarty added that committee members had concerns that anti-terror law should be a matter for national governments, not the European Commission. The Council of Europe had also promoted a much stronger agreement on terror, which the UK government had already adopted.

The committee report states: "Whilst we accept that terrorist networks may operate across national borders and that, consequently, bilateral and collective co-operation between states is desirable, even essential, the minister's explanations are not convincing."

It adds: "The minister states there is no interest of the devolved administrations in this matter as 'counter-terrorism is not devolved'. However, it is to be inferred from the minister's comments on that report that the subject of this proposal also concerns the administration of the ordinary criminal law, which is not a reserved matter."

The refusal to rubber-stamp the EU deal follows a row between Westminster and Holyrood, when Alex Salmond accused Tony Blair of making a secret deal with Libya to send back Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing.

A Scottish Government source said: "There would still seem to be elements in Whitehall who need to get to grips with the reality of the constitutional arrangements in these islands. The Scottish Government promotes co-operation with Westminster, and this needs to be reciprocated."

The Home Office declined to comment.

The full article contains 425 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Senga Jean,

Scotland 10/01/2008 00:28:32
Counter Terrorism is too important to leave to Westminster. The subject of Counter Terrorism may not have been devolved but the devolved Justice system (including the police) must implement the effective measures so the Scottish Government must be consulted. In my experience the end result will be a vast improvement.
2

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

10/01/2008 00:34:20
It worries me that the Home Office minister did not work out that Holyrood would need to have been consulted on this.

They are either being ignorant to the point of disbelief or plainly pedantic in their view of Holyrood. Typical all the same
3

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

10/01/2008 00:37:31
In view of this, we should just tell them we are lowering business taxes significantly to compete with London, to ensure that Scots get better jobs, salaries, standard of living and greater longevity.

The free market in the UK is only allowed if London is not affected by competition from other parts of the UK.
4

Conan the Librarian™,

10/01/2008 00:39:20
How long will it take to get these Westmonster civil servants to realise things have changed...

Hah.Typed Westminster wrong...But...
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Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 10/01/2008 01:16:23
yes thats just great the governments fight about somantice when the (sleeper) Islamic terrorists are allegedly filling jobs in the UK.

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Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 10/01/2008 02:01:49
Rather amusing how many Nat's turn up on these boards ona daily basis!

Give it a break lads it really is not that important!
10

tomi,

10/01/2008 02:08:20
I don't always agree with the SNP, But this time I whloheartedly do.
11

Wisnaeme,

10/01/2008 02:13:08
... and quite rightly so.There have been instances of senior members of the UK government threatening to use anti terrorist legislation against individuals and organisations outwith the primary purpose for which that anti terrorist legislation was enacted for. Peaceful protest or gatherings in the name of peaceful protest expressing dissent, comes immediately to mind.Not in the public interest or detrimental to whatever cited on various occasions and inferring that anti terror legislation will be used against such individuals involved in what was previously the remit of perfectly adequate law. In the pursuit of state control of concerned citizens being in dissent on issues that the UK government control freaks wish to squash or curtail.Dissent or taking peaceful protest and the quashing of civil liberty gatherings to voice disapproval of what once was a democratic right and using control orders and other means to denied dissent is an oh so typical reaction by control freaks who find this dissent to be against government interests and an embarrassment to themselves.


It has been patient obvious to intelligent observers of Labour government deviousness, anti terrorist legislation was an excuse not to deter terrorists but to deter and put obstacles in civil rights.
A recent occurrence on the enthusiasm of the Railway police as directed and overseen by UK governance brought immediate condemnation of this heavy handed practice of how to make friends and influence ordinary citizens in Scotland.Resentment and intolerance of organisations interfering with peaceful law abiding citizens going about their lawful business without let or hindrance ,fear and resentment that somehow they are to be treated different and targeted . That was disgraceful.

What else can these new proposed anti terrorist laws be used for in civil matters and in the every day lives of Scots and their law abiding minorities? The Scottish parliament has every right to place a shield against
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Edward,

10/01/2008 03:03:18
This is just another example of how the Home office under Jackie Smith is inherently ignoring Scotland at every turn. I’m reminded that there was an EU Justice ministers conference in Lisbon last year, which also included ministers from non eu countries. The Scottish Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill had planned to attend the meeting, instead Jacqui Smith told him he couldn’t as the three places were taken up by three Home office ministers, in fact it was only Jacqui Smith and Bridget Prentice which attended , ignoring the fact that Scotland had a separate legal system to England.
The discussions included Terrorism, Child protection and e-commerce (http://www.theherald.co.uk/search/display.var.1727506.0.lawyers_fury_as_scots_minister_is_snubbed.php)
14

W Smith,

Middle East 10/01/2008 03:28:17
1) Left wing plastic paddy Joseph Fitzpatrick (SNP) visited the mosque in Dundee immediately after 9/11 to show his, and the SNPs, 'support' for the muslim community.

This was prior to the invasion of Iraq.

2) Mr Zero-Tolerance Salmond says the "full weight of the law" will be applied against Scots who attack members of the muslim community.

He then goes down to Westminster to vote against anti-terror laws.

After the incident at Glasgow Airport, Salmond and MacAskill made it clear who they were supporting and it wasn't the non-muslim Scottish public.

Some of us are on to you Salmond boy - and there will be a politcal backlash against the SNP if there is another terrorist attack in Scotland.

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 10/01/2008 06:35:26
Europe's anti-terror laws blocked 'because Holyrood not consulted'

Hey Dudes is this a joke. ?

Hey in the US Pres Bush set up a $38 billion Gov Dept "Homeland Security"

To stop terrorist from attacking our country.

But here at the Port of Long Beach California, 28,000 trucks exit the port every week, hauling giant containers arriving from all over the world.

Only two percent 2% are subjected to security checks.

So 27,440 trucks exit the port and any one of them could be loaded with a NUKE device , or canisters of lethal toxic gases.

So much for Bush's $38 billion Homeland Security .

What or how does the EU manage their security ?

Sounds like they don't have much security if they are blocking laws because Holyrood was not involved.

This must be a joke .

I mean what can a pip squeak province of the UK (Scotland) and Holyrood contribute to security in the UK. Its all about money Dudes . And Holyrood has none.

Now if you could provide $1 billion to start that would make sense. Providing u did not squander it like BUSH does with our dollars.

GC
18

James,

Dundee 10/01/2008 07:09:30
#16 W Smith
Once more I'll decry you as a raving right wing anti-Catholic ULTRA Brit Fascist.

Joe FitzPatrick is a SCOTTISH nationalist - sure as his name suggests has Irish Ancestry, but so would half of Dundee including myself! 100% Scottish though and 100% in favour of independence from your poisonous ilk.

Even AM2 cringes when you spout your p1sh.

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william c,

Blantyre 10/01/2008 07:46:57
You foerget Mr Salmond is an MP, therefore he was consulted. This is the ridiculus case that the English say ' We are better of without them (the scots)and their bleating, Send them back to the hills and give them sheep.
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dba,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 08:20:08
YET ANOTHER example of civil servants in London interfering with the Scottish constitution and law.

From the very first night of the Lockerbie bombing 'mysterious folk' from London were trying to influence events....some were American and some were, sadly from LOnodn and the ones from London became a REAL nuisance.

As for the 'Right Honourable Jack Straw'....I am amazed that anyone gives credence to this man... over Lockerbie HE (As FOREIGN SECRETARY) disingenuously told the House that the Govt. had decided that'nothing new could be learned' from an Independent Inuiry (asked for by the relatives). Last year the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commssion agreed not just with three of many of the new defence team'submissions... THEY found THREE more - THEY found them... Mr. Straw didn't even want to! As to why HE was commenting on the largest mass murder in Scottish history is yet another serious question that Holyrood should be asking!

Ministers come.. ministers go... but it is the same shadowy coterie of 'civili servants' who are NOT publicly accountable who issue advice to the carousel of 'ministers'.

Should not the Holyrood Parliamentary Committee require that the Civil Servants who advised the minister in the felacious opinion, appear before the Committee to explain their advice and the basis in law upon which they issued it...until now they have traditionally be allowed to 'hide' behind their ministers and the cloak of secrecy... ANOTHER GOOD CHANGE REQUIRED. OPEN GOVERNMENT....its starting in Edinburgh .... but in London... NO CHANCE!
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glassbenmhor,

10/01/2008 08:47:38
#16 W(H) Smith-Middle East my *rse more like the Shankhill,how dare you spout religion in this way I imagine you are minded towards the the gutter-slanted urinal that has no place attaching itself to the Unionista argument within this forum,I like others feel sorry for AM2 everytime you raise your bigoted head,but I have news for you and your kin,with Independence around the corner,leading to a big black and OILY messy hole in Westmonsters budgeting CLOWNS will be the first to get the patriarchal BOOT!
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glassbenmhor,

10/01/2008 08:47:39
#16 W(H) Smith-Middle East my *rse more like the Shankhill,how dare you spout religion in this way I imagine you are minded towards the the gutter-slanted urinal that has no place attaching itself to the Unionista argument within this forum,I like others feel sorry for AM2 everytime you raise your bigoted head,but I have news for you and your kin,with Independence around the corner,leading to a big black and OILY messy hole in Westmonsters budgeting CLOWNS will be the first to get the patriarchal BOOT!
24

glassbenmhor,

10/01/2008 08:59:33
I'm sitting here going over a C.V. for my dear wife and wondering what on earth these Labour ministers will be putting in there C.V.'s very shortly,of course they will all start with the same phrase:
After failing as a Primary School Teacher I joined the Scottish Labour Party and they said-hey just the person we need come along and "Run Britain"
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john n 101,

edinburgh 10/01/2008 09:06:06
Clearly many have guessed or known for a long time now where Scotlands future lies. Complete independence from england is the only option if we want to have a real voice.

Desciding what to do with security matters is clearly important, and not a choice that should be handed to us, in the of chance we have a Scottish MP covering our back. Asking the important questions like should Scotland not be consulted on security in Scotland, what a brain storm.

I guess from an English point of view we don't really count we never have, when we all realise this and move forward clearly the better off we all will be.



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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 09:08:33
The Scotland Act has set a dangerous precedent and created a proto-State within a unitary State!

The devolved Scottish Parliament is developing into a 21st Century provisional Dail Eireann?

Between 1919 and 1922, the provisional Dail completely ignored Westminster, and set up its own government in waiting!

The British Empire was unable to govern Ireland because the mass of the population simply boycotted British institutions!

Westminster's only answer, as would happen regularly
in every British colony throughout the 20th Century, was to completely miscalculate the situation by attempting to militarily deny the Irish the right to Independence!

As we all know history has a depressing habit of continually repeating itself!
27

Gothic Rose,

10/01/2008 09:33:58
I`m sure the Home Office Minister knew what the response would be.Its all a case of "Between the Acts"
28

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 10/01/2008 09:58:12
(#22 What do you do in that closet that the rest of us don't?)

Ignore Scotland at your peril, Mr Westminster!
29

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 10:06:18
It's about time someone did something to but the brakes on this rediculous hang-up about "terrorism".

There are far too many restrictive laws in place regarding this so-called issue.
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malkster,

Scotland 10/01/2008 10:25:06
Surely the point is to have laws and regulations to best protect the public. Too important for petty squabbles.
31

Highland Mighty,

10/01/2008 10:30:26
And the SNP nutters are out in force again!

Or is it just a solitary bod using multiple usernames, posting short rants of feigned anger under each one?

32

pwd,

Hawick 10/01/2008 10:46:56
Just as many of us feared, the so called Scottish parliament is just another expensive contribution to obfuscation and a stumbling block to common sense. Let's get out of the EU, dismantle devolution and get back to doing what we've done best for centuries - being British.
33

James,

Dundee 10/01/2008 11:05:38
#35 And the Unionist nutters Ciderman?
34

JG,

Fife 10/01/2008 11:10:09
Objecting to the implementation of these laws is fine if there is/may be something that will adversely affect Scotland (we DO have a different legal system after all), but if all Salmond is doing is making a point then it's gross stupidity.
35

Mikey,

10/01/2008 11:17:08
Lachie Todd, right again! Even the sheep in the fields can see that Scotland is heading for independence! The raving, right wing Britnats can't, however. Does this mean they have less intelligence than sheep?
36

rancid brown,

Fife 10/01/2008 11:20:19
#36 Right on Bro.
#33 Terrorism is mostly state sponsored.

So MSPs have blocked one of many thousands of EU directives. This should be a cause for celebration.

Give the EU more kickings please. We need a Ron Paul type leader or UKIP to save our nation from Brown and his power hungry minions.

Bring back the gold standard and stop the Bank of England stealing our hard earned money through inflation.
37

rancid brown,

Fife 10/01/2008 11:28:14
#39 What an idiotic comment. How can Scotyland be a member state of the EU and be independent at the same time? That's like saying Gordon Brown is for minimum government.

Does anyone really believe that Westminster has any real power? If the European Parliament and Westminster just rubber stamp anything that comes out of the European Commission, what does that tell you about Holyrood?

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 10/01/2008 11:33:07
Come over to the light Michael.

SLA has lost the argument within NuLab, you know it!

Join the fight for Independence which you know is right. This is the only way that social justice will be achieved.

Here's to a new Independent Labour Party - after Independence, of couse. In the meantime support the SNP.
39

Reckless,

Fife 10/01/2008 11:36:15
Better yet, support UKIP.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2699800300274168460&q=real+face+european&total=120&start=0&num=20&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 11:48:48
I'm more worried about the terrorists in the SNP administration.
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Fay fae Scotland,

Fife 10/01/2008 11:57:09
This story says MPs wouldn't sign it, not MSPs. The intro par of this story seems to contradict the rest of the article. Is it MPs or MSPs stopping this bill? If Holyrood hasn't been consulted, how can MSPs block it? I don't think this is a case of Holyrood picking a fight for the sake of it as the papers usually try to make out but of Westminster MPs pointing out to their own ministers that, really, they should have more regard for Scotland.
I was down south last month and speaking to my brother in law's girlfriend (a very intelligent 19-year-old Cambridge University student) who didn't have a clue that Scotland has a different legal system and when I explained the history and a few of the differences (I've studied law) her comment was "oh, you Scots always have to be difficult". Folk south of the border just don't care about what goes on up here so I'm not surprised that the Home Office wouldn't think to talk to Holyrood about issues that would impact on Scots.
I think Holyrood should have been consulted regardless of whether the issue is devolved or not - if only as a courtesy.
42

Daily user,

South Queensferry 10/01/2008 12:00:26
#13 Wisnaeme

Unintelligible RANT; you need to learn to write in 'English' before 'posting'!
43

Highland Mighty,

10/01/2008 12:03:40
37. Unlucky. No cigar for you.

I don't use any other usernames because I am a grown-up.

How many other usernames do YOU post under, 'JG'?
44

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 12:04:16
Consult us or we will send John Smeaton to "set about ye"
45

TSynicto the core,

Bellshill. Saltireland 10/01/2008 12:11:29
Another two links of the Westminster renegade Scots forged chain shackling us in their iron grip are revealed today. This, and their complete control of Scottish elections, control that led to complete shambles,shambles that should surprise nobody if it turns out to have been deliberately engineered.
Wake up,folk. Get along to your local library and ask to see the Scottish Act 1998, turn to schedule five and discover almost the entire length of the binding chain that makes a mockery of true devolution.
46

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 10/01/2008 12:13:10
Fay* well said, there are some on here having a go at Alex Salmond and the SNP government who etheir havn't read the story or don't care what it contains.
47

Pook,

Dumfriesshire 10/01/2008 13:03:15
# 16, 18, 19, 23, 35, 36 & 40
As Fay #45 & ochone #50 have already stated the story is about MPs who sit on the European Scrutiny Committee at WESTMINSTER (the UK parliament for those confused amongst you)refusing to rubber stamp a European directive because the Scottish Goverment had not been consulted, which in their view, should have been the case. It's amazing how many comments have been spawned due to a misreading of MPs for MSPs. Whatever you're political views, this decision has absolutely NOTHING to to with the Scottish Government or ministers, Scottish Parliament or members thereof. Indeed it was an arch-unionist Scottish Labour MP who was the prime mover as chairman of the cttee. Try to read before you rant.
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10/01/2008 13:04:12
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Arrow,

edinburgh 10/01/2008 13:56:33
No. I am AM2 (where's yer Spartacus noo?)
50

BMeister,

10/01/2008 14:06:24
51 Pook
well said, I had to go and reread the story as I thought I had got it completely wrong, that means I read the story twice more than quite a few of the posters on here.
51

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 10/01/2008 16:01:11
And who still claims DEVOLUTION isn't working?

There is sufficient evidence that the devolved powers to Scotland, Wales and N'Ireland are proving successful and the real political deficit is really in England which could be sorted out via a federal solution as has been argued for many years as the real answer to the constitutional questions that rage about independence etc.

Bring on the debate about this sooner than later and then all the facts, not the rhetoric, can be explored and explained to people, and then trust in the judgement of the peoples UK wide.
52

An English Voice™,

10/01/2008 16:38:49
55. I can assure you that this little band are in email contact.

In fact, one address they use is hoospoosbereras@yahoo.com or something like that. Look for 'hpb' or 'hoospoos' to appear in their posts indicating that an email has been sent by one of them.

Don't forget that each also have several usernames which they will use to post many brief rants to look like there's more of them (#57, #53 and apparently #37 are examples).

I think there's only five of them in reality!
53

 Ayrshire Scot™,

10/01/2008 17:12:15
58:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dogfT30fKHU&feature=related
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An English Voice,

10/01/2008 17:21:24
56. I'm still sitting on the fence regarding full federalism as the system has very apparent flaws in Australia, Germany and the USA, of which the inflexibility of a written constitution is a principal one.

I (currently) believe greatly increased devolution with a separate English Parliament, a minimal UK Parliament and fiscal flexibility on income/VAT/corporate/local taxes is the way ahead.

Full fiscal autonomy can and will only lead to tax competition as local governments fight for businesses, shoppers and residents, and that tax competition will only force tax levels down taking public services with them. This can clearly be seen in action in the USA.

The UK should compete with our overseas competitors and not among ourselves as in federal states.

In this, England, Scotland and also Wales and NI would be given equal status and I would even go so far as to change the Union Jack to include Wales.

Westminster should stick to such matters as defence and security, foreign affairs, national criminal law, social security (with standardised benefits), trade policy, immigration policy and national transport policy. Emulating the US federal government is a start.

An English Parliament could be created from English MPs sitting separately from the House or consist of the MEPs of new regional/provincial parliaments.

England is too big and too disparate to be managed centrally, just as the UK is nowadays, so regional parliaments should still be created but under an English Parliament with both levels sharing the same representatives to keep costs down.

The English Parliament should be kept as forum for truly England-wide matters of which there would be far fewer compared to regional matters (Switzerland is the model here). This would maintain the cohesion and appearance of the nation of England and not 'Balkanise' it as regional assemblies alone would have done.

(This post was written at speed as I'm busy so excuse any poor syntax!)
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An English Voice™,

10/01/2008 17:30:23
Yep, there's an error right there. That para should read:

An English Parliament could be created from English MPs sitting separately from the House but I would prefer it consist of the MEPs of new regional/provincial parliaments.
56

An English Voice™,

10/01/2008 17:40:06
59. Yep, nail on head, I think.

What's the point, Ayrshire Scot?

If you nats have strong support, why do you merry few need to create this small army of 'virtual nats'?

I might as well ask why, when you say you have such a strong case for independence, you then have to make so many ridiculous, and easily discredited, claims?

All a little immature and pathetic, don't you think? Mmm?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

10/01/2008 17:49:27
62 says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9oRPhuhqxQ
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Alfie Bett,

10/01/2008 17:50:43
This committee of MP's that has supposedly done the blocking who does it comprise of?
I doubt that the majority would be from Scottish constituencies and so would not be overly concerned whether Holyrood had been consulted or not.
Which leads me to think that far from the impression of being the stalwarts of defending the rights of Holyrood they are simply using it as a convenient loophole to stymie the progress of this adoption of EU proposals,especially when further on you read"Mr Connarty added that committee members had concerns that anti-terror law should be a matter for national governments, not the European Commission. "
59

Andrew Allan,

10/01/2008 18:22:12
Nice to see the Westminster government has still got a sense of humour. Usually when they want to push something through they totally ignore the wishes of the Scottish people, and its government, so I’m stepping out on a limb here when I suggest Westminster might not really of wanted this anti-terrorist proposal at this time for some reason or other.
60

Eve,

Scotland 10/01/2008 18:56:30
Nice to see the Scottish goverment standing up for the people of Scotland and makeing sure Scotland has it's say in things. It was only last year that auld Scottish executive just let us be ignored!

#35 Highland Mighty,: Talking about yer self, #11 Paul in Oz or #18 Ayrshire Scot™ ,!!!!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 10/01/2008 19:07:13
#58 An English Voice™: What are you on!!!! Are you suffering from a wee delusion!!!

Most folk have better things to do with their time than have loads of user names in one website.

Think you'll find that theirs a number of posters who post here and on other news papers such as the herald. So where on earth would those folks get the time to have multiple identities on each site.
62

Eve,

Scotland 10/01/2008 19:39:59
#68 AM2,: I can't belive you spent time reading that, it's over a screen long. Just looking at it, gives me eye strain!!!!
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rancid brown,

Fife 10/01/2008 20:13:09
Gordon Brown and French President Nicholas Sarkozy both made phone calls to the Portuguese Prime Minister urging him not to give the people a say.

"This is another clear indication of how democracy is not welcomed by the new state of Europe,” commented Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party.

"Not only is Mr Brown breaking a blatant promise by denying the British people a right to vote on the Constitutional Treaty, but Mr Sarkozy is on record as telling a group of senior MEPs that the French would not be having a referendum or Britain would have to hold one ‘and then the Treaty would fail.’

"Surely the alarm bells are ringing throughout Europe when the leaders of two powerful countries are devoting their time to denying democracy and allowing people to be bulldozed into a new superstate.”

http://www.ukip.org/ukip/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=420&Itemid=57
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 10/01/2008 20:16:27
I see that Peter Hain has expressed regret that he failed to declare £103,000 donations to his failed campaign to become the Labour deputy leader.

Ah well, that is all right then.

Oh, where is Wendy?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/01/2008 20:18:52
Surely it's just good manners to consult with all members of the United Kingdom governments?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

10/01/2008 20:30:30
72. Oscar Burton

indeed, but New Labour have shown their arrogance and petulance at defeat time and again. snubbing Salmond's election as FM, and now Broon refusing to answer calls or letters on Isles Council and ministerial meetings.

A sick, arrogant, huffy, despicable and childish reaction to their defeat.

PS - Is Wendy still at large?
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Hickory,

US 10/01/2008 20:56:51
Such as the arrogance of the flyin' monks at Hollyrood. Should the terrorists consult with them first before smackin' us again? They pat each other's bum and tell everyone how smart they are. My, my, if it was a distillery it would make nothin' but vinegar.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 10/01/2008 21:08:27
#73 Ahoy hoy Ayrshire. Michty but what a grand day it is. Scotland free from nuclear power stations in the foreseeable future and the capitulation of the Brown government on the subject, well apart from Swiss Des and Slimy Farra Cairns sniping from the sides ...."we're dooooomed"

I look forward to seeing if Gordon Brewer is going to be as up himself tonight when forecasting generations of candle powered Scots!

#74 Hickory, stick to jizz garglin' you'll make more sense.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

10/01/2008 21:12:06
75 LOL

re 74, indeed, bum patting, vinegar? whit?
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yoric,

10/01/2008 22:56:09
An other example of our Spineless, Gutless, Yellow, English MPs being afraid to even break wind without clearing it with the Scots first.
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Highland Mighty,

10/01/2008 23:01:40
Has everyone seen the latest STV poll?

Labour are back in front on both the constituency vote (Lab 37% SNP 36%) and the regional vote (LAB has a 4% lead of the SNP although they didn't give the actual figures).

In seats, that will put Labour on 53 seats and the SNP on 47 seats.

And this while Labour have systematically imploding before our very eyes!

Oh dear, oh dear! Has Scotland grown weary of Salmond & co's constant bleating??
73

Highland Mighty,

10/01/2008 23:07:12
Or perhaps all the 'top priority' and 'fully costed' promises that have been broken.

Salmond seems to have underestimated Scotland by expecting all to fall obediently and unquestioningly in line behind him, solely because he wrapped himself in the saltire.

Seriously, if he can't top Labour when they are this chaotic....!
74

Hickory,

US 12/01/2008 15:06:07
#75, Oscar lad, and how do we get to candle power? I tell ye, by sweetening up to lefties. Me thinks I will fire up the old SUV and take a ride. #76, Ayrshire,
do ye doubt it?

 

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