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Published Date: 24 March 2009
A MASSIVE development at the heart of Scotland's capital was brought to a halt yesterday, after the company behind the scheme went into administration.
Mountgrange Capital, which has spent more than four years pursuing the £300 million Caltongate project, blamed a withdrawal of support from Bank of Scotland and the slump in the property market for the move. It has cast a huge doubt over the future o
f the site in Edinburgh's Old Town and the firm's other major development in Scotland, at Linwood, Renfrewshire.

More than 2,000 jobs had been due to be created by the Caltongate development, which would have seen a five-star hotel and conference centre, 200 new homes, office blocks, cafés and bars, and a new public square being built off the Royal Mile, close to Waverley Station.

The news will trigger fears that Edinburgh will be left with another gap site for years.

New housing, offices and industrial complexes were envisaged for the Phoenix Park development at Linwood, near Glasgow Airport, on a site that had lain empty for a decade.

Mountgrange Capital was forced to call in the administrator, Deloitte, just weeks after it emerged the company owed £51 million to creditors.

The firm made a £24 million loss last year and had put various parts of the Caltongate scheme on hold while it tried to raise the necessary finance to keep it afloat. Its directors, Martin Myers and Manish Chande, last night insisted the scheme was not dead and said they would be trying to pursue Caltongate through their own investment fund.

Despite being strongly backed by Edinburgh city council and business leaders, Caltongate was one of the most controversial proposed developments in living memory in Edinburgh city centre. It triggered a vocal community campaign and was opposed by numerous bodies, including Edinburgh World Heri-tage and the Cockburn Association. Most concerns surrounded plans to demolish two listed buildings to make way for the hotel and conference centre.

The development was widely blamed for triggering a Unesco investigation into Edinburgh's world heritage status.

However, it was backed by Historic Scotland, and the Scottish Government approved it without ordering a public inquiry.

The project is the latest in a string of major developments in Edinburgh to run into trouble in the face of the slump in the property market.

A number of projects in the Fountainbridge area of the city are on hold, the planned expansion of Edinburgh Airport has been delayed indefinitely, and developers at the city's waterfront have warned of dramatic slumps in the value of property over the past few months.

Developments worth some £2.5 billion had already been delayed across Scotland before Mountgrange Capital went into administration.

The biggest was Macdonald Estates' £500 million Falkirk Gateway regeneration, while the others included a £150 million extension for the Buchanan Galleries shopping centre in Glasgow and a £300 million regeneration of the old Polkemmet Colliery site in West Lothian.

In a statement, Mountgrange Capital said: "The problems surrounding the UK property industry in the current financial environment have been well documented. Mountgrange Capital has not been exempt from these pressures.

"The industry's current problems have been further exacerbated by the scale of banks' exposure to commercial property lending. And UK banks now seem to be significantly scaling back their involvement in the sector."

Of the two schemes in Scotland, the two businessmen said: "We believe that these schemes continue to have commercial merit. Despite our best efforts, continued funding from existing banking channels is no longer a feasible option. We are, therefore, examining other alternatives, including making an offer to buy the assets out of administration and are uniquely placed to do so."

Mr Chande told The Scotsman: "The core problem has been the onset of recession, and this has been further exacerbated by the scaling back of property lending by banks in the UK."

John Reid, joint administrator at Deloitte, said: "The company is a victim of the current turbulent property market.

"However, Mountgrange Capital's assets still represent major development opportunities and we will be working with our advisers to maximise the return for creditors."

Tom Buchanan, Edinburgh city council's economic development leader, said: "We're all aware of the challenges that the development industry currently faces, particularly as a result of the pressures imposed by the banking sector. However, Edinburgh remains an inspiring business location and continues to attract worldwide interest.

"We have been kept informed about Mountgrange's negotiations with their funding partners. Our priority remains to see this long-neglected part of our city centre revitalised and become a place that Edinburgh residents and tourists can enjoy."

Mike Ross, chairman of the Scottish Property Federation (SPF), said: "This is extremely unfortunate.

"It highlights the absolute necessity for our planning system to be speeded up. The problem is that it takes far too much time.

"It highlights the necessity for us to improve, and if the government is serious about promoting sustainable economic growth, it seems crazy that we have had global intervention, European intervention, UK and Scottish-level intervention but at local level there is still little to no change. All we seem to be worried about is process and procedure. We have got to get our priorities right."

Dan Macdonald, the head of Macdonald Estates and a former SPF chairman, said: "The events over Caltongate are shocking.

"There is an acute lack of liquidity in the market I am very worried indeed about the state of the commercial property market. The UK must now look like a real bargain-basement shop, but there is still no investment trading.

"We have never been through anything as severe as this before. Business is moving very slowly, if at all, because of the capital shortage and we need further stimulus. I fear for commercial property development."

Campaigners had failed to persuade the Scottish Government to call in the Caltongate scheme and admitted defeat in their efforts last year.

Sally Richardson, a spokeswoman for the Save Our Old Town campaign, which was set up to fight the development, said last night: "With Mountgrange Capital now in administration, we are full of hope at last for the future of the capital's historic core. The buildings that have been emptied and are at risk from demolition should be brought back to life and serve the community and the city's needs once again."

A spokesman for Bank of Scotland said it would not be commenting on the situation with Mountgrange Capital.

• A £250 million hotel development earmarked for a gap site in the Haymarket area of Edinburgh is on hold while a public inquiry into the scheme is held.

Firm's crash dashes hope of economic lifeline at second site

THE news that Mountgrange Capital has gone into administration deals a fatal blow to the company's other main scheme in Scotland.

The firm was behind plans to transform a vast area of brownfield land in the town of Linwood, Renfrewshire.

While lower-profile than Caltongate, the proposals stood to bolster a local economy that had fallen on hard times.

Once home to the Rootes company – the first car factory to be opened in Scotland after the Second World War – and later the Chrysler factory, the town has been blighted in recent years by unemployment and poverty.

The Mountgrange proposals promised a welcome reversal of fortune. Spanning 160 acres, the Phoenix Park development was to include a mix of housing, offices and industrial complexes – 43 acres devoted to manufacturing space.

Mountgrange, which bought the site in 2004, informed Renfrewshire Council it was committed to the long-term future of the site, which is located next to a retail park near Glasgow Airport and had remained undeveloped for more than a decade.

It is understood the company spent a significant sum preparing the site before construction could commence.

The plans offered an economic lifeline, and the local authority granted outline planning permission last year.

Now community leaders in Linwood hope someone will step in to rescue the project.

"It's very disappointing to hear that Mountgrange has gone into administration," the secretary of Linwood Community Council, Iain Wilson, said last night.

"The development is something we and the people of Linwood have supported. It would have brought jobs; that is important in a place like this, especially the fact the jobs were going to be in production. That's something we really appreciated.

"We have to hope now that, once the worst effects of the recession are over, someone else will rekindle the plans.

"Many people in Linwood are unemployed or are in low-paid jobs. This would have made a big difference to the town."

Four years of protests at 'hideous' proposal

IT IS more than four years since Mountgrange unveiled its plans.

Although there was a cautious welcome to begin with, discontent quickly grew.

At first, many of the objections came from a small band of campaigners who lived near the development site. But eventually, the tide of protest grew, drawing in conservationists, architectural historians, Unesco and even Sir Sean Connery.

The Save Our Old Town campaign was involved in some of the most noisy and imaginative protests against the development, which was branded "hideous" by some.

The main objections centred on the demolition of two listed buildings to make way for a five-star hotel and conference centre. There were also concerns about the height of the proposed buildings, the planned removal of a block of tenements in the Royal Mile and the quality of the scheme's architecture.

Two years ago, the Edinburgh World Heritage Trust intervened, saying that the project failed to respect the "special character and sense of place" of the Old Town.

However, Historic Scotland described the plan as "generally acceptable".

Bill Jamieson: Bad news for city as it tries to keep up with Europe

CRASH – there goes another one. The fall of the Caltongate development in the heart of Edinburgh's Old Town to deepening recession and a pull-out by HBOS will come as no surprise to what's left of the capital's commercial property market. And few tears will be shed by environmentalists and community groups opposed to this project from the start.

But it is bad news for a city that needs new development to keep its central facilities up with the best in Europe. And it is deeply worrying news for a city council critically dependent on revenue from big developments of this type.

When I spoke to Manish Chande, the property entrepreneur behind the scheme last night, he was chirpily hopeful of reviving the scheme by purchasing the assets off the administrator, Deloitte.

But he would still need to find a joint venture institution or pension fund to finance the development – and with the commercial property market on its knees, such backing will not come soon.

This is yet another major development in the city that has fallen victim to the slump. As if the near collapse of the banks was not enough, the seizure in the property market portends lost employment and a long period of stagnation.

Sensitive sites in and around the city centre now face the prospect of being trapped in the deep shadow of planning blight – buildings falling into dilapidation and disrepair pending a return of confidence to a property sector suffering its worst downturn in decades.

Dan Macdonald, of Macdonald Estates, tells me it's the worst he has experienced. And that view is echoed right across the sector.

Caltongate, which would have burst into the lower half of the Royal Mile with a "mixed use" development of shops, offices and a top-class hotel, took some four years to grind through the planning system – a delay that put its promoters a critical two years behind schedule. By the time it was able to put one brick upon another, property prices were tumbling, would-be tenants were pulling back – and banks had crashed.

As a resident in a lane close by this project, my views on Caltongate have always been mixed. I did not care much for its height or the concrete cube style of some of the proposed buildings – design I thought we had buried with no tears in the 1960s and 1970s.

But it was a project whose scale and ambition offered a desperately needed change in the dreary, rundown lower part of the Royal Mile – a commercial graveyard. It was said the Scottish Parliament would bring significant new footfall, smart new shops, aspirational retailers and cafe bars. Dream on. That badly needed uplift now looks as far away as ever.

• THE site of the Caltongate development was home to the capital's first gasworks in the 19th century.

Built in the early 1800s, the gasworks began production in 1817, providing fuel for the street lamps in Princes Street and the city's factories during the industrial revolution. It was founded when the fuel was a new discovery and, at its height, employed about 200 people.

The gasworks had moved to Granton by the early 20th century, and by 1930 the Caltongate site had become home to a huge bus depot.

It survived until the early 1990s when it was put up for sale by the Scottish Transport Group. The building was partly taken over by the arts group Out of the Blue, which ran the popular Bongo Club nightspot there for years.

Various proposals have come and gone. Two years before Mountgrange unveiled its plans, a scheme given approval by the city council was shelved.

Mountgrange snapped up the site from Dutch group Sofam, which had joined forces with the Cuckfield Group and secured planning permission for offices, flats, an arts complex, cafes, bars and restaurants. The developer was controversially given permission to knock down the bus depot building before plans for its development were approved.

The move meant Out of the Blue was forced to find a new home, in a former drill hall in Leith, while the Bongo Club relocated to Holyrood Road.

Demolition work on the site began in September 2006.





The full article contains 2344 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Statsman,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:05:01
Good news. This project was a steamrollering of the local community by developers and the local Labour party.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:07:30

Gambling:, A huge gamble when money was in abundance, a huge loss must be expected, when money comes back to reality.
3

Forward not Back,

24/03/2009 00:08:06
Rather than leaving a gap, turn it into a green space at the bottom of the mile. Not exactly worth the same as shiny glass palaces but given that there is no market for them either...
4

Statsman,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:12:00
4 Forward not Back

Agreed. It should at least be landscaped in the meantime.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:13:05

Greed, overzealous, gamble.

Hmm 3words already, I wonder if I can think of 10??
6

grantcat,

Old Town 24/03/2009 00:16:15
Come to the SOOT AGM on Wednesday 1st April 2009 at Old St Paul's, Jeffrey Street. No fools allowed!

For comment read www.independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com

No gloating allowed!
7

Jock MacSprog,

24/03/2009 00:32:22
a hole in the ground is better than what was planned, seriously , Im not joking. Once these cr5p buildings go up we are stuck with them for years. Lets reconsider and develop a quality project. I am not anti development, but this Allan Murray and Associates cookie cutter 70s retro square box sheyete is getting real old in Edinburgh and is ruining the city.
8

Steve A.,

24/03/2009 00:35:12
Mountgrange Capital, which has spent more than four years pursuing the £300 million Caltongate project, blamed a withdrawal of support from Bank of Scotland and the slump in the property market for the move

============================================

Is it not withdrawal of support from Lloyd's banking group ie crash gordons government?
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:43:20


Professor "Dinky" Fitztightly ~9,

Well that would be in more tradition for the "Old Town"

And Soo much better than some posh hotel, charging £500per night for B&B, that would only be there for the greed of it, and attract, 'big fat cats' to the area, which will be curtailed anyway, because of our economic climate, who also would not care, a 'hoot' of interest for the area.

The 'Old Town' Ghosts are doing well, in preserving the area, don't you think?



10

Steve A.,

24/03/2009 00:44:32
11
Agreed but why is the contractor blaming the poor old BoS ?

You would think they would at least know who they are borrowing from,i know it's picky but stuff like that really bugs me ....you know what i mean ?
11

Los Angeles,

24/03/2009 00:47:27
I'm pleased it's a no hoper, though I know some architects will be tossed out in the Street, commissions dried up. But the scheme has no relationship to the area bar some windy steps.

Brutal concrete and glass buildings made no sense in Edinburgh's Old Town. There was a glaring absence of Scottish archtictural idiom in almost all the designs.

Low cost apartments with balconies crammed close together overlooking mean spirited narrow open air dining areas left drinkers and diners liable to be told to shut up or get a bottle thrown down at them, or free to look up and admire rows of washing, barbeques, bicycles, and satellite dishes.

Next time, let's see a design that reflects Old Town architecture with modern interiors.

Architects: Forget the vanity projects and signature buildings. Integrate. Please!


12

FerryPort,

24/03/2009 00:47:58
wake up edinburgo
there is us as well
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:48:10

Steve A., ~13,

"but why is the contractor blaming the poor old BoS ?"

You can't be that green!

It is called, and I am sure you have met the type,...


..."When things go Wrong, Blame everyone else!"

14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 00:51:44

FerryPort ~15,

"wake up edinburgo, there is us as well"

Yes the Ghosts of the 'Old Town' Are Awake!, they are protecting the area.

:)

Quite 'Spooky', if you think about it!

15

Steve A.,

24/03/2009 00:55:39
16 Chas

True ...i seem to be watching and reading stuff like that every day and the organisation called the labour party PLC always seem to get a mention !
16

jabberjocky,

edinburgh 24/03/2009 01:00:16
this is a tragic day for conference centers.
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 01:01:46


Professor "Dinky" ~20,

Look who's talking,..."Dinky"! :)

18

Los Angeles,

24/03/2009 01:14:03

Dinky? Who the hell calls themselves "Dinky"?
19

Billiam Wallace,

24/03/2009 01:39:02
#23; A toy car enthusiast?
20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 02:18:35


Canongate! also saved by the forces unknown, as we have one of the Best Nurseries for Children here, far the better this than, glass and steal buildings, that if you think about it, are only on for the,...."Steal"!

Tradition!, Edinburgh should not have change, further killing our fantastic culture, because of some Money Making Scheme, We the People of Edinburgh, love our City, and what it stands for!

Yes change = evolution, but to evolve into a Town and City, that has been made from a pure money making fact, would be the ultimate death of a town we Love, and Care for!

For me, and you may all disagree, I am pleased with this News.

Why should we sell ourselves for, commercial profit-making?

The People of Edinburgh, were never asked for their oppinion on the project, as in 'Voting For It'

Why Not?

Because some thought that Money, was louder than Words!

Look where your (not) Money has got you now!

21

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 24/03/2009 06:04:11
Some valid points here, never liked the glass box design... something should be done with those attractive archways though, all that beautiful stone. And yes it should be landscaped, could be a lovely green area? And someone on the evening news website yesterday was on about the lack of lighting and the fact it was the responsibility of the Council NOT the developers?
22

calum,

24/03/2009 06:18:57
Any comments from their PR expert and guru, former Leader of the Cooncil, Donald Anderson? Or from their former "source close to", "cooncil insider" or expert on their Plnning matters, Trevor Davies?
Well?........ silence
23

RDavis,

Austria 24/03/2009 06:35:18
Perhaps the Council can turn it into a tourist attraction, since the tram system is being built why not lay lines to run by it.
24

RufusT-Firefly,

24/03/2009 06:57:31
This is a great opportunity to create another giant wind farm.

Align it to that other giant windfarm called Holyrood and all the citizens of Edinburgh can have free electricity.
25

WKKB,

24/03/2009 07:08:26
Not entirely bad news...
26

Marian,

24/03/2009 07:13:48
According to the Sunday Times of 24 February 2008:-
“the Company behind the controversial Caltongate development in Edinburgh's historic Old Town paid £4,000 to sponsor a champagne reception at a Labour fundraising dinner. The party's councillors later voted for the £300m project, despite the deep concern of conservationists, who believe it violates the medieval heart of the City. The former New Labour leader of the Council, Donald Anderson, is now the director of the PR company that represents the developer”.
27

Statsman,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 07:17:47
28 RDavis

It could be a local attraction if they put that 'Man of the people' statue from across the road in the middle of it, then invited locals to vent their anger of the people on it. I suggest throwing rotten fruit and vegetables at it to display this anger.

The council officials could even watch from the comfort of council towers across the road... or even from the council depot on East Market Street where the senior officials park their Lexus cars (no public transport for them, that's for the plebs).

Yes. They are many possibilities for this scheme. However, the empty space next to council HQ might just be enough to give this council a constant reminder of what abject failures they have been to the people that pay their wages.
28

Los Angeles,

24/03/2009 07:29:57
This is a great opportunity to ... (Rufus the Dufus)

... have another laugh at the BNP's attempt at wit.


29

Statsman,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 07:34:01
27 calum

What ever happened to champagne Trevor?

Another Englishman up here to tell the locals how to landscape their quaint 'Old Town'.

He did produce Hamish MacBeth you understand... that lovely mocking of those simpleton Highland folks.

Luvvie! Darling! We simply must get ourselves a Caltongate in glass & concrete!
30

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 07:36:03
I guess Manesh and Co will try to buy-up the land asset - at a knock-down price - and start again. The delights of capitalism. SOOT and others should stay awake to future dangers.

Meanwhile the site would make an excellant venue for Fringe Sunday this year if someone started to sow some grass seed.


31

Statsman,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 07:46:57
Anyone notice a pattern? Davis, Dawe, Wheeler, Burns etc. None of them come from Edinburgh, yet impose/d screw ups by the bucketload.

Maybe it's about time Edinburgh was taken back by people that understand its heritage as an important historical cultural centre rather than as an amusement park?
32

Unimpressed one,

24/03/2009 07:51:36
Shame they knocked down the old bus station which had a thriving Sunday market. But I reckon that was a decision insisted upon by the council before they put up their monstrosity of a building across the road from it.

Perhaps a new market selling fresh produce, the like of which most big English towns and cities have, would revive the area, bring in money and attract tourism. Plus it would actually serve some purpose as opposed to yet another bland hotel/public square.
33

lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/03/2009 08:00:45
‘It highlights the absolute necessity for our planning system to be speeded up’

The merit of and genuine desire or requirement if worthwhile for any development will withstand or overcome any planning system regulation - if anything the planning system needs - slowed down so true consideration and public opinion can be honestly gauged.

A St James centre destroying the heart and community of a city anyone? or how about a parliament building or single route tram line?
34

paulr,

edinburgh 24/03/2009 08:03:56
This is typical of the incompetence of edinburgh city council, they have no regard for the people of edinburgh, the people who stupidly voted them in, they force speculative schemes through and we as tax payers will be left footing the bill as usual.
All we need now is the tram project to be scrapped, that would really cheer us all up.
35

Chris W,

24/03/2009 08:06:14
Free car park? :-)
36

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 24/03/2009 08:14:34
I see the people of Edinburgh are still not allowed to comment on the behaviour of their MP Nigel Griffiths. Yesterdays headline was that Labour MP's were backing Nigel Griffiths. Looks like the Hootsman is backing him and condoning his behaviour too.
37

carrottop,

Dumfires 24/03/2009 08:19:56

Rather radical way of getting an outdoor space for the old New Street car bootie but I am all for it.

38

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24/03/2009 08:21:40
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Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:23:52
See the Caption Competition on:

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/2009/03/mark-of-republic.html


Good article in the Times by Mike Wade too.

40

Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:26:29
By the way - the claims of 2,000 jobs were never anything except that - claims, and why a gap site? There's a bond in place to landscape the site when it went t*ts up. Why hasn't it been used before now? This isn't news. it's just the final death throes.

All the background:

www.eh8.org.uk
41

grantcat,

Old Town 24/03/2009 08:34:06
Don't worry SOOT aren't sleeping - we have our AGM next week on 1st April at Old St Paul's on Jeffrey Street at 7. Everyone is welcome.

There is a bond of £100,000 on the gap site and I think we need to demand the council enact it and clean up the area - we could use it for a car park or a community garden - maybe both. We did warn about creating a gap site our biggest fear was that more buildings would have been demolished and an even bigger gap site would have been left. Our city has been scarred by gap site over the decades however I would prefer the gap site than the horror of Caltongate.

On the Evening News site a Peter Very Disappointed is mentioning light and safety and I agree with him, he is mistaken that Caltongate was going beyond the bridge or was going to do Jacob's ladder or the Saltire Path, that was not part of the Master Plan (!) but some people hear what they want to hear.

However we need public realm improvement on Calton Road including lighting and security and there is planning permission to build social housing on the council owned land, there is no reason why that housing cannot go ahead and increase the eyes on the street.

The issue is how do we create a development that is needed by the community and fits with the world heritage site, who funds? it i.e. not speculative development.

The bank called Caltongate "Toxic assets" and quite right too! The whole thing was toxic and nasty. A decent development is needed for this site and lets be brave and have one!
42

Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:42:24
But where (apart from in the Caption Competition) is the PR genius Mark Cummings of Invicta PA? The man who bosted on his firm's website how he could manipulate the planning system? Has his ship sunk alongside his pals at Mountgrange?

And what about the Chamber of Commerce,? Ron Hewitt backed this all the way, probably because he's pals with Mountgrange - who hold the C of C's Proprty Portfolio!

Caption Competition:

Manesh to Marky: No regrets, Marky! Just leave those pies behind! No doubt you can live without a finger!

I understand that the forthcoming UNESCO report on Caltongate is 'damning'.

43

Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:45:29
Mike Wade, Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5962800.ece?Submitted=true

44

The Ayrshire Bard,

24/03/2009 08:48:48
New Street Bus depot was maybe a dump to most of you, but for us 15 and 16 year old lads who worked there, it was pure heaven as most of the office staff were young women who came in from Loanhead, Bonnyrig and Lasswade to work in the ticket office. There was also the comptometer dept. but these girls were under the control of an old maid and daren't mix with us lads. It was the source of employment for a large work force of skilled engineers as well as the drivers and conductors and office staff.
45

Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:51:33
Invicta website:

"What We Did
Invicta Public Affairs provided a full political, community and media engagement programme, including dealing with an organised and determined militant campaign group, Save Our Old Town. The core element of our approach was to launch a full frontal public
engagement campaign with the local and wider Edinburgh Old Town community. One critical element of this was the establishment of the Caltongate Liaison Group, which brought together representatives
from over 20 local and city-wide stakeholder groups who met on a quarterly basis to review and input into the proposals. Regular media coverage of each new aspect of the scheme was carefully controlled
and coordinated by Invicta along with the ongoing engagement with local and national politicians. MORI Scotland was also engaged to conduct a public opinion survey - which provided robust results on
what the public felt about the development plans - to present to local stakeholders and politicians. Media interest in this project was high and Invicta had to provide a proactive media briefing to keep on top
of the campaign group opposing the development."

Militant eh Marky? Jeez - what a joke you are! And as you can see from the comments, the community was hardly 'engaged'!



46

Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:53:06
More Invicta:

"What We Achieved
The Caltongate project requires the demolition of two C-listed
buildings, the Canongate Venture and the Sailors Ark, as well as delivering a major development project in a UNESCO World Heritage site. In addition, it involves removal of existing tenementson Edinburgh’s Royal Mile. Despite these debits to Edinburgh’sheritage, which created much objection in the local area as well as
an organised protest group, the credits achieved by the developmentto what is essentially a run-down part of Edinburgh and a derelictformer bus depot were ultimately effectively conveyed to the local
and wider Edinburgh community as well as local stakeholders andpoliticians. Thanks to Invicta’s contribution, the planning committeeof the City of Edinburgh Council voted with an overwhelming majority
in favour of the Caltongate development concept. This decision was then ratified by the Scottish Government and a public inquiry was avoided. The detailed delivery of the project will now commence and
Invicta are fully engaged by Mountgrange to assist with that process and maintain public, political and media support."
47

Buttress,

24/03/2009 08:56:52
"With Invicta’s support and excellent tactical implementation, we have effectively strengthened our
ties with the community and earned the support of key stakeholders. Invicta has a professional
and forward-thinking team who understood our issues and worked skilfully with our team to help
us sidestep landmines. We are delighted with the positive results of multiple planning applications
being approved for our signature Caltongate project in Edinburgh. Our business objectives were
achieved and our expectations exceeded.
Nick Berry, Partner, Mountgrange Capital"

Next up - can we have an investigation into the role of Historic Scotland in all this? Why it took until SUMMER 2008 for it to get some (very biased) statement of the financial situation which cost the taxpayer thirteen grand?

Why was it backing the scheme without this? Once it had egg on its face, it had to commission a report to back up its stance. You pay the piper...
48

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:01:22
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"Invicta Public Affairs Ltd was founded in autumn 2007. We are a world-class public affairs consultancy providing political engagement services to the commercial, industrial and development sectors. Our primary market is those clients who face barriers to commercial success caused by regulatory systems (such as planning and licensing) and local and national government policy (such as economic development, transport and infrastructure, and public procurement). We ensure that the chances of success for our clients are increased markedly through effective building of political and public support.


Invicta is a Scottish-based business operating from its office in the West End of Edinburgh."

Right - hire Invicta and we can push though planning permissions for you?

Read this:

http://www.eh8.org.uk/search/node/Mark+Cummings

Mountgrange's Spin Doctors

Possibly Ron Hewitt of the Chamber of Commerce should be added to that list?



49

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:04:00
Read:

http://www.eh8.org.uk/mountgrange_s_spin_doctors
50

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:09:21
More from Marky:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/opinion/Unesco-views-made-clear.4730555.jp


UNESCO doesn't like it, Marky. 'Damning'.
51

John Cameron,

St Andrews 24/03/2009 09:17:02
Forty years ago I spent three idyllic years in Edinburgh. I thought it then one of the most beautiful capital cities I had seen in a lifetime of globetrotting. Today it is an eyesore and which gets worse with every increasingly deranged project. Those in charge of this shambles, both at local and national government level, should be ashamed of themselves. They are not fit to organize the hen's march to the midden.
52

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 09:17:43
Having just reviewed the architect’s proposals for this area I must admit that my sympathies lie entirely with the SOOT group.

The Jeffrey Street building and the Hotel in particular are both horrendous and entirely out of character with the area.

“Monstrous carbuncles” hardly begins to describe these totally inappropriate structures, which look as if they would be more appropriately located on some reclaimed island in Dubai.

Originating as I do from Glasgow’s east-end, I am all for sympathetic and innovative redevelopment leading to enhanced living conditions for the local population, but this proposed development only reminds me of the (now demolished ) Basil Spence “brave new world” flats in the Gorbals.

Not fit for purpose and with a life-span of less than a generation.
53

wilfredthehairy,

Edinburgh South 24/03/2009 09:19:45
#41 Grow up.

I too am disappointed not to be able to comment on wee Nigel. But for every one of you there is another of me who will now vote for him. For why? Because it turns out the wee lad's human after all!
54

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 09:20:28
Have Invicta been paid?
Who are the other creditors?
55

Los Angeles,

24/03/2009 09:20:36
Perhaps a new market selling fresh produce, the like of which most big English towns and cities have, would revive the area, bring in money and attract tourism.
(Unimpressed)

Nice idea. The more "old town" haggle and barter activity the better. Plan from the people's needs outwards!
56

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:24:58
Oh but the Planning Convenor, one Jim Lowrie, was all for it, pushed it all though ignoring all opposition, including that of Edinburgh World Heritage. He serves on the Board of EWH. How can he continue to do so? Has he no shame?

Still, there's SoCo to come, then the St James' Centre proposals, and of course the Haymarket Tower, all designed to spoil the city even further.

Alan Murray architects. The ruination of Edinburgh. His latest is that ghastly hotel. Look and weep. Omni, Cube... and more. Caltongate 'Masterplanner'.

Add Richard 'Haymarket' Murphy and Malcolm 'Caltongate' Fraser to the list.
57

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:25:59
Mallory - it would be nice to think Invicta has been left without a supply of champagne! LOL!
58

Scot in Exile,

Adelaide 24/03/2009 09:26:52
Looking at the accompanying photo all I can say is that Edinburgh has been saved from another St James Centre.....
59

thistle do,

here n'there 24/03/2009 09:35:05
The Caltongate gap site and the new Edinburgh Cooncil building (complete with the wee man on a pedestal), what's the bigger eyesore?
60

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 09:39:58
60 wilfredthehairy

What makes you think that you will be afforded the opportunity to vote for “wee Nigel” at the next election?

I suspect that this individual may well be “hooked” (again) prior to that.
61

Jambo-ree,

24/03/2009 09:42:32
Info on "Invicta" is interesting. Know from my time living down there that it is the motto of the County of Kent and translated means "Undefeated" or some such-like. Sounds a wee bit arrogant, or maybe more like a name chosen by the teams of egotistical prats on The Apprentice.

Also interesting that the Beeb article has BoS quoted as saying they regarded the project as "a toxic asset" whereas this article states "A spokesman for Bank of Scotland said it would not be commenting on the situation with Mountgrange Capital."

Maybe if the tram route had gone past it.....
62

Edward,

24/03/2009 09:44:58
I find it funny the remarks which blame the current city council. As ha been pointed out in this forum the development was the brain(?) child of the previous Labour administration in he Capital 'The former New Labour leader of the Council, Donald Anderson, is now the director of the PR company that represents the developer' Labour Sleaze at its grubbiest!
As wasalso mentioned in this forum,perhaps we can now get the much promised Opera house, one that is World class, but at the same time in keeping with the style of the Royal Mile A challenge? Perhaps, but Architects do like challenges
63

noswod,

Honestas 24/03/2009 09:45:17
A near miss part of our capital saved from mair concrete glass and property spivs. Now we need an international archetectual competition tae design some guid buildings on the site and tae ancor it maybe an international institution. Lets put the Athens back in tae the North !
64

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:48:31
There used to be a 'fly-through' video on the Mountgrange website, but that vanished a while ago I think.

I see the site has been updated:

http://www.caltongate.com/Home.aspx

This, however, makes much more interesting reading:

http://www.eh8.org.uk/the_canongate_project



65

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:51:39
69 The current council passed the plans. The current lot at Hstoric Scotland ineptly raised no objections (scared to be seen to be in the way of 'economic' development??!) The current government refused to call in the plans for inquiry.

Yes we can blame Donald Anderson and Trevor 'The Finger' Davies, but then once they had departed, this lot carried on with it all.

Then there was the Planning Chief, now departed... another who should be blamed for the mess the city is in.
66

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:55:33
Read also:

http://www.eh8.org.uk/whos_who
67

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 09:57:18
70 noswod,

I wonder if you have ever actually been to Athens.

However, leaving that aside, I believe there was one of your proposed international architectural competitions to decide upon the design of our Parliament building.

A good idea in theory, but we should be more careful as to who we appoint as the judges.


68

Buttress,

24/03/2009 09:58:11
"It is known in the conservation world that Mountgrange Developer Manish Chande and Historic Scotland`s Malcolm Cooper are friends.

Manish Chande was appointed by Tessa Jowell as a Commissioner of English Heritage. Sept 2003, where he is also on their Finance and Business Committees.

"Malcolm Cooper spent ten years with English Heritage before joining Historic Scotland in April last year". (2005, same year as first Caltongate Masterplan unveiled)

"More than its southern equivalent, its word is law. As Cooper puts it "English Heritage advises the minister, in Scotland we are the minister."
You can read what the Status and Role of Historic Scotland is here
http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/framework_document_2004.pdf

Taken from this article in an interview with Cooper of Historic Scotland
"The most glaring symbol of Cooper's deliberate change of emphasis has been Caltongate, the £200m plan proposed by English developer Mountgrange to convert part of Edinburgh's historic old town. This involves knocking a hole in part of the old tenement streetscape of the Canongate to improve access to a complex containing shops and a five start hotel.
Cooper explains that once the decision was taken to approve the masterplan for regeneration of the old town seen as vital to the city's future needs, Historic Scotland saw the importance of facilitating what it was convinced was for greater economic good of the city."

Ron Hewitt, chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "Meeting Malcolm and hearing his views has been a breath of freshair.

Manish Chande is the Chamber`s Property Policy Group Chairman

go to the June-July issue of their comment magazine see page 2 - 6 of http://www.edinburghchamber.co.uk/news/business_comment"

http://www.eh8.org.uk/whos_who
69

Buttress,

24/03/2009 10:01:32
It's made Building Design (with picture):

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3136917
70

Ron S,

Stockbridge 24/03/2009 10:01:59
"We believe that the current price correction in the UK real estate market is generating rare investment opportunities for sponsors with proven operating experience, credibility in the marketplace and sufficient equity capital."

Manish Chande, June 2008.
71

Buttress,

24/03/2009 10:08:30
"But developers behind one of the city's largest and most controversial developments said it would still go ahead.

Mark Cummings, a spokesman for Mountgrange, denied there was any prospect of plans for the Caltongate scheme changing.

He said: "There is no potential at all for Caltongate to fall. It has been four years in the making, and subject to planning legislation for three years.

"We have worked hard to make sure it is right for the city." "

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh?articleid=4353929

Capital property plans scaled back as the credit roof falls in

04 August 2008
By MICHAEL BLACKLEY

I recall Mark Cummings also being very rude about the SOOT campaigners when they broke the news that not all was well.. last year...



72

Buttress,

24/03/2009 10:10:56
"
"However, Mountgrange has launched an attack on Unesco, the world heritage body, branding it an "irrelevance" and saying it is not interested in its views on the £300 million development.

The firm said it has no intention of postponing the start of work until after next summer's World Heritage summit, in Seville, discusses Edinburgh.

A spokesman Mark Cummings said a "dangerous precedent" would be set if a major developer had to wait until Unesco had delivered its judgment, and insisted that Mountgrange had no intention of changing its scheme, even if key criticisms were made by Unesco..." "

73

Buttress,

24/03/2009 10:12:31
That was from:

"Unesco slams city on Caltongate" (18 November).
74

Dragonlord,

24/03/2009 10:14:58
Another nail in the tram line coffin.
75

Rap,

24/03/2009 10:25:03
#81 what exactly has this got to do with trams? Mountgrange can't have been contributing to the fund since it only impacts develpments on the tram route.
76

Rap,

24/03/2009 10:31:17
The planning process is changing, and is finally formalising the requirement for pre-application consultations. And if the consultation is on a plan which is different to the one submitted to the Council then they need to reconsult. Might avoid the old consult on 12 storeys, submit a plan for 16, then raise it to 17.

And perhaps if a decent amount of time is spent on a proper consultation with the community it would save the drawn out fighting. Of course, I'm assuming the Planning Committee actually pays attention to consultation results and objections, so the fantasy planning element is still present.
77

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 10:35:43
I think its really sad that most of you see the collapse of a major building project in edinburgh as some kind of victory.

News for you - its a brownfield site. You could put circus tents up or Lego and it will supply jobs and increase the economy. So what if it is steel and glass ? It will not be there forever.

By the way I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for a "world class developer" to come along. As you can see there are no precedents in edinburgh concerning modern development.

Still living with your heads up your ass and see this for what it is - another dismal failure for edinburgh.
78

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 10:37:23
Butress , who owns the land at the moment ? Is there any hope it could be landscaped and at least used productively for the next decade ?
79

Rap,

24/03/2009 10:38:56
#84 Well just to dismay you further, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that another currently wasteland site also has developers which can't raise any money - Haymarket. The only downside is that the old planning application is still live and that's an even worse development which the planning committee even acknowledged in hindsight.

Just any old tat is not always better than the status quo.
80

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 10:40:39
If we could not get sympathetic buildings put here when times are good , how many of you seriously think that something decent will be even considered here (never mind built) in the next decade ?

Do you understand whats going on globally ?
81

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 10:41:35
86 it means money and income rap. buildings let out instead of a haven for junkies.

cmon man get real.
82

Buttress,

24/03/2009 10:48:40
The council owns still the Canongate Venture and the arches and the market (common good) I think, they were not actually sold to Mountgrunge (and an EU ruling on the legality of doing that is still awaited). I believe that Mountgrunge owns now some of the tenements and the Ark.

The old bus depot site has got a bond in place so that it can be landscaped if this all fell though, which should now be done asap.

84 I am not of the opinion that any old rubbish is better than nothing at all, why not go for the best? Why demolish listed buildings and build rubbish in a WHS? Has no-one in planning any real vision?





83

A Crofter,

Western Isles 24/03/2009 10:48:57
How about another much-needed golfing mecca instead?
Would save FatMan having to commute to his local SSSI for a round.
84

Buttress,

24/03/2009 10:51:22
Then there is this planned for Princes Street:

http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1007&start=30

At laest they seem to have dropped the glass....
85

Rap,

24/03/2009 10:54:22
#90 I'd rather a mini pitch and putt than some inappropriate building that will slowly erode the reason why people live and visit Edinburgh.

#88 so as long as you can waft the promise of income and money past the Council anything is acceptable?
86

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 10:58:28
I'm really not a complete philistine (honestly) and I would rather see something pleasing in all edinburghs gap sites (and a good few existing buildings removed.

However, the fallout from job losses at HBOS and RBS has yet to happen. It's not going to be pretty.

I believe its a tighten our belt time and take what we can get.

But we're not even getting that. I say again, do you understand what is actually going on and just how bad this is going to be ?

87

Rap,

24/03/2009 11:00:31
#93 Yes I do understand what is going on. And that's why I have a problem trying to justify a development that will build yet more unneeded office space, and more 5* hotel rooms. Who is going to fill them?
88

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 11:05:08
Granton stopped, calton stopped. Out of two major private sector employees , one is on its knees and the other will see huge swathes of jobcuts by the end of the year. In some places already 25% of shops are empty. Two major buildings in princes street are empty.

And some of you are harping on about "why cant we get a good development in place at calton" ?!

Seriuosly.
89

nSyratzcGlaw,

24/03/2009 11:06:18
94 dunno , but thats for the developers to worry about. Answer is probably no-one, regardless how nice the buildings are. If they wont fill shoddy ones, they certainly havent got the money to fill good looking ones.
90

Jamie67,

Edin 24/03/2009 11:10:20
Buttress 63 - agree with a your sentiments generally re Caltongate; but do think Malcolm Fraser has done some great buildings in Edinburgh and has an understanding of sensitive development. Re. his Jeffrey St building - I think it was the most interesting out of the proposed CG buildings - and yes - I do also think it was in the wrong position; and will be devastated if we evey lose the happy accident of the view from High Street/jeffrey St over to Calton Hill.
91

Rap,

24/03/2009 11:14:42
#96 I'm a little confused as to the point you are making. We both agree the financial implications of the current climate but I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to berate us for being happy a development failed, because presumably you think we are revelling in someone else's pain? That's not really the point. And it's not really the point to suggest jobs are lost because the development has failed. You can't just build tat to keep 2000 employed and then put up with the tat for the next 50 years. Someone needs to take a long term view, and short term jobs may be fine, but if the long term effect is that Edinburgh turns into a grotty old town then a lot more jobs will be lost.
92

Buttress,

24/03/2009 11:16:24
I think Freser is a rather over-rated when it comes to 'sensitive' and historic buildings. He talks the talk to get the work, but really compare him with good 'conservation' architects nationally and he just is second rate.

IMHO.

That Jeffrey Street building was supposed to 'respond' to the cooncil offices. Says it all.


93

Buttress,

24/03/2009 11:17:08
2000 jobs - pie in the sky claims.
94

eric,

Lothian 24/03/2009 11:18:39
meantime back in Metropolis Glasgow st enochs and buchanan galleries gets on with expansion and savoy centre to be demolished for new centre and 30 story glass hotel.
95

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 11:19:59
90 A Crofter,Western Isles


I am intrigued (well almost), where exactly in the “Western Isles “do you actually live?


You may reply in Gaelic, English, Scots, Latin, French, German or Russian, if you wish.


I regret that my Mandonirin Chinese may not be up to standard.
96

Rap,

24/03/2009 11:23:18
I think, actually, that the redevelopment of publically owned property, such as Haymarket Station is of a much higher priority and the design and function of these sorts of sites will benefit everyone in the city, not just the developers and hotel chains. A key area like Haymarket should be focussed towards that sort of "iconic gateway" not a poncy phallic symbol. We should have proper lifts and elevators to allow residents to get to work, that pays taxes. That will allow other pople to visit Edinburgh and buy tourist tat. We should have a proper rail link to the airport, not a half hearted one that will finish at Gogar and force people with suitcases to swap onto a tram and make them stand. I think issues like this should be at the core of a city's development plan, and commercial developers expected to fit in, instead of CEC bending over backwards to work round them resulting in a hodge podge of "signature buildings" and no city personality.
97

Brideun,

Culloden 24/03/2009 11:28:34
Lucky escape 'Auld Reekie', time now to cut losses and grasp an opportunity. Suggest launch a competition to design a replacement Scots Parl building on the site, open to scots architects. Include in the proposal an alternative use for current Parl site after the monstrosity is demolished.
98

Buttress,

24/03/2009 11:32:48
I suspect that the UNESCO report will be critical of the city planners allowing developers to draw up masterplans for major sites.

Alan Murray, Richard Murphy. Hardly geniuses when it comes to masterplans.
99

Rap,

24/03/2009 11:39:11
Worse, Buttress, when developers drawn up a masterplan for the small site and then afterwards the Council opens a consultation for a design framework for the whole area, excluding that site. So, the developer is truly dictating the form and function of a key entrance into the city which will dictate any future designs in the area. How can that possibly be justifiable?
100

Council Insider,

Council HQ 24/03/2009 11:42:35
#92. Pitch and Putt sounds good to me. I still miss the putting greens in Princes Street and Saughton Park. I still go along to St Margaret's park in the summer.
101

Buttress,

24/03/2009 11:45:24
Rap - it isn't. But planning in Edinburgh is a joke.
Here's another example of bad planners ignoring national policy:

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinburghplanningissues/Historic-cinema-faces-threat-of.4626769.jp



102

Rap,

24/03/2009 12:04:40
Buttress, see in the new article on here it's all your fault?

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Planning-delays-blamed-as-Caltongate.5101420.jp
103

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:11:59
I see there's more PR BUll from Marck Cummings in the EEN:

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Planning-delays-blamed-as-Caltongate.5101420.jp#3875516

Ha ha! Who is he kidding?

104

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:13:24
Planning delays - none.

All went through on schedule, apart from when the COUNCIL boggered it up last year!

And so what - where would we be now if they had started? ?
105

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:35:20
Of course, the council allowed the gaping hole (conservation area) by giving permission for demolition of the bus garage without planning permission for anything to replace it and without the funding in place either.

106

muppetspotter,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 12:44:27
another grandoise scheme bites the dust! the planners in Edinburgh are almost Hilterian in their obsession to 'make Edinburgh the City we Deserve"....Caltongate ditched, the tram fiasco goes on without a peep from the press and all the while the city slowly crumbles - have you seen the state of the roads in Edinburgh recently I have seen better streets in India!

107

Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 12:57:26
Thank God this had gone T*ts up. Now how about building some affordable flats for rent.
108

El Franko,

24/03/2009 13:40:35
If it were up to me, I'd put a modest office block there as near as poss 'in the vernacular', put the MSPs in it (and I'd only allow 48 of them in total), and then raze the parliament horror to the ground to make way for allotments.
109

Buttress,

24/03/2009 15:09:16
http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/news/1323/Wilson%27s_Weekly_Wrap%3A_The_Calton_Crunch_and_other_matters.html
110

Western Gael,

24/03/2009 15:10:30
Look at the bright side of this. At least Edinburgh will be spared another architectural monstrosity on the scale of the Scottish Parliament building. Since Frank Lloyd Wright built his controversial “Falling Water” home, contemporary architects have been attempting to scale ever grander heights of grotesquerie, justifying their scribblings by haughtily claiming “…and if you cannot see the beauty of this work, you are simply too plebian to comment.” And, what’s another £300 million or so, among friends? I’ll tell you – that’s what my council spends in five years, for 600,000 residents in six thousand square kilometers.
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24/03/2009 15:23:03
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Marga,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 15:27:45
Thanks Buttress - I had to cut your link to:

http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/news/1323/Wilson%27s_Weekly_Wrap

Like the quote about "the city’s ingenuous council and that regular backer of losers, the Chamber of Commerce,..."

Bookmark that site!
113

Marga,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 15:35:45
Another choice quote from the Architecture Scotland's Wilson's Weekly Wrap, 6 Oct. 2008:

...Edinburgh, a city whose conservation bodies know all about maximising publicity for triumphs in small battles whilst allowing the real war against crass city centre overdevelopment to endlessly continue. I believe its called raison d-etre.
114

edboy,

24/03/2009 16:34:46
And Vladimir Romanov wants to build a new Main Stand with Hotel and retail/commercial space...might not see that for a while, if ever.
115

Los Angeles,

24/03/2009 16:41:15

No one needed a course in architectural styles or UNESCO to tell them the buildings were almost all bland to mediocre. A quick look at the designs told you all you wanted to kno - they could have been in any European or Eastern European city.

There wasn't a single aspect signfying "Edinburgh Old Town" except a flight of "windy" steps.




116

Buttress,

24/03/2009 16:55:04
http://www.twodoctors.org/2009/03/onefinger-gesture-from-the-mar.html


Actually, I think Mr Wilson may have to eat his words about conservation bodies, many of whom fought tirelessly over this one.

How else do you think UNESCO came to visit?

117

Buttress,

24/03/2009 16:56:53
www.eh8.org.uk is updated. As is the blog.

BBC and STV news tonight I understand also.
118

Heather W.,

Winnipeg 24/03/2009 17:26:42
Sad as it may be that our economy is in dire straights and still on the down-slide, I for one am glad that this particular scheme has fallen through.

I did not like the look of what was being proposed. I believe the existing beauty of Edinburgh should be reflected in any new development in that area.

The parliament building is an eyesore. I can't believe that it was allowed to be erected. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

Surely, in the future, architects can come up with some design that would be in keeping with the existing, fabulously beautiful architecture that is all around that area.

Boring, ugly, cement, metal and glass monstrosities can be seen everywhere, why not make a statement and stay unique?
119

Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/03/2009 17:30:04
32 - excellent idea, a fitting role for the £200,000 Joe EveryYuppie.
120

Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/03/2009 17:35:44
88 - a yuppie or developer or baith
121

Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/03/2009 17:39:37
121 - Vlad plans a 5 star hotel in Mcleod Street ! : )
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24/03/2009 17:40:51
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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 24/03/2009 18:19:04
heck out

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/richlist-app/index.php?l=6&pageID=3
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observator,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 19:48:53
"Martin Myers and Manish Chande, last night insisted the scheme was not dead and said they would be trying to pursue Caltongate through their own investment fund."
They can't raise finance yet won't invest their own cash? Yet they want to buy the assets from the adiministrators with this cash mountain, getting the goodies without the debts. How can this be allowed?
125

observator,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 20:04:49
BTW, on the Dragons' Den they hate contestants who have plenty of cash but want to borrow instead of using their own; with good reason.
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24/03/2009 21:18:57
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bumpkin,

24/03/2009 21:48:36
it would make a much needed carpark.
128

Rap,

25/03/2009 00:07:46
The Council is talking rescue bid!

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/City-chiefs-poised-to-step.5104939.jp
129

Buttress,

25/03/2009 07:09:17
Unbelievable.
130

Buttress,

25/03/2009 08:04:15
I see that the council doesn't seem to know that Tiger's Haymarket has not yet been given the go ahead, or does it think the inquiry result is a foregone conclusion?

Also, how the hell does this cooncillor know if the St James' Centre will ever go ahead?

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Firm39s-collapse-leaves--gaping.5100879.jp#3875357

Juts because these developers haven't yet gone bust doesn't mean all is fine.

131

Rap,

25/03/2009 11:24:20
Buttress, I'd bet on assuming it's a foregone conclusion. Which I'm sure the Scottish Reporter will be delighted to hear.
132

lord nelson,

South Carolina 25/03/2009 16:09:22
#10

Dinky has a point, to blame Mr. Gordon is like blaming Bush for this economic mess the world is in. green space will do fine.

 

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