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Published Date: 03 November 2009
By ALASTAIR DALTON
MINISTERS have been accused by Glasgow City Council of not playing fair, after it revealed that it had plugged a government funding gap in the M74 project only to have the Glasgow Airport Rail Link (Garl) unilaterally axed.
The council told The Scotsman it had brought forward £33 million of its contribution to the motorway extension to ensure the start of work last year was not delayed.

The Labour-run council said there had been widespread "genuine dismay" that, desp
ite coming to the Scottish Government's rescue, SNP ministers had "frozen everyone out" in deciding to scrap Garl.

The £692m road project is seen as key to easing congestion on the M8 in Glasgow by providing a new direct route for through traffic. The council said the five-mile project would have been delayed if it had not brought forward funding to cover a government shortfall.

The council had been due to contribute only £8.2m last year, but paid its entire £41m share for the three-year scheme. South Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire councils, as co-funders, did likewise, paying their combined £11.7m contribution up front.

A Glasgow council spokesman said: "The Scottish Government was due to pay roughly £80.4m in year one. However, it evidently had a cashflow problem, which meant that cost was out of budget. This threatened, at the very least, to delay the project.

"We are very happy to have taken the lead on this solution, although it clearly put serious pressure on our capital spending power."

Council leader Steven Purcell said: "It was a price worth paying to ensure that an absolutely crucial project was not allowed to slip through our fingers. It showed, we thought, a level of trust between ourselves and the Scottish Government.

"With Garl, things couldn't have been more different. There is genuine dismay from every section of the community that ministers froze everyone out, while they did their best to kill the project off."

The Scottish Government's Transport Scotland agency, which is in charge of both projects, said there was a "clear difference" in their funding.

A spokesman said the M74 project agreement "provided the flexibility between the partners to bring funding contributions forward in the way that was done". Garl was funded almost entirely by the Scottish Government and Glasgow City Council "had no role" in its delivery. He added: "When the construction contract for M74 was let early in 2008, all the necessary land, business relocations and compensation were in place and construction of the road was able to start almost immediately."





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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2009 11:40 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2009 22:41:24
This is taking the peeeee out of the ABC1234 readers who are supposed to purchase this bumph.
2

Justin Timbercake,

02/11/2009 22:43:11
Another double cross from anti-Glasgow SNP.

I hope Jim Murphy told the Pope last week that he will have to take the bus when he arrives at Glasgow Airport next year.
3

Anna nexr door,

02/11/2009 22:52:40
Hows the weather down in Surrey Rufus/Am/Media/Timbercake?
4

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2009 22:57:36
And talking of a C4, 2 makes a post. All we need is a crazy person who thinks he is a Group Captain and the whole shebang will be C5.

Hmmmm?

Wasn't that Sinclair? Or Citroen?
5

Justin Timbercake,

02/11/2009 23:03:21
#3

It is great. Currently 23 degrees and sunny.

As if these poor people who were flooded up in Huntly didn't have it bad enough, Alex Salmond had to doorstep them.

Lucky White Heather.
6

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2009 23:36:10
I just love to see Groucho try and make small talk with online wimmin.

7

Fletty,

03/11/2009 00:08:34
Come on Hootsman. Raise your game.
There is more to jourmalism than spending all of 5 minutes a day phoning a Labour zombie for some anti-SNP drivel.
8

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 00:22:39
This from a party that supports a president who brought in a law that makes it legal to starve your wife if she refuses to have sex with you. A president who has been proven to have cheated in the Afghan election.

This from a party who sends our sons and daughters to die for this law and this corrupt, cheating, congratulated by Brown, president.

This from a party that says "How high?" When the U.S. asks us to jump.

Scotland's soldiers are world renowned for their ferocity and compassion. They should not be tainted by this (see if you can spot the quote) maladroid campaign.
They should be fighting for our country and for our values.

Only an independant Scotland will deliver this. No matter who you support, surely any sane person can see the truth? Surely?
9

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 00:24:34
Yup, true, Glaswegians bail them out over the last 5 mile link, and this is the reward from Salmond's SNP.

Betrayal, simple anti-Glasgow, there's no other way toput it.

Mind you, they were warned, as it's never a level playing field with the SNP and Purcell should have known that.

Ask Cosla...

Glasgow won't forget this. Spin that Pringle.
10

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 00:26:26
-5

A doorsep without any good news, when they need bags of money. Not even bags of sand to keep the water out.

More satisfied customers?
11

Traquìr,

Alba 03/11/2009 00:27:08
Yet again comrade Purcell appears to be very selective in his criticism since he seems to conveniently forgot about Labour imposed cuts -

He fails to mention the 500 million 'efficiency savings' (aka cuts) being enforced by Westminster. Glasgow City Council alone have highlighted that they may have to cut up to £99 million from their budget. To make matters worse part of this is a £6.47 million annual charge for the massive PFI debt they accumulated to build new schools, and ironically is one of the major reasons schools are being closed.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/glas-a18.shtml

This Labour Government like the last one and their comrades on their council fiefdoms appear to specialize in accumulating massive debt and triggering bankruptcy. Time for the comrades to lay down and make way for new ideas - in England that will a Tory Government, but for Scotland we have the opportunity as an independent nation to elect a Government that reflects the interest of the Scottish people first and foremost. Why would any Scot not want to do that ?

Mr Purcell also forgot to mentioned the massive doubling of the costs of GARL - an extra 200 million no doubt to line some more comrades pockets. No wonder they are so furious this really did hit them where it hurts :)

"Transport Scotland said the current estimated cost of the combined rail link and signalling project was £365-395 million, or up to £454 million including VAT in 2013 prices.

This compares with the previously announced figure for the rail link alone of £170-210 million, or up to £247 million including VAT in 2011 prices."

http://news.scotsman.com/glasgow/Rail-link-to-airport-two.4823825.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000
12

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 00:40:49
Another fine mess from Salmond, whichever way it is spun.
13

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 00:48:15
11 Good point, well made. Waste of time. These unionist numpties are so blinded by their scared, wee, bigoted thought, bouncing about in their heads like that old TV tennis game that they will never see the truth.

They can't even see that they would still have their beloved Labour party in a STINKING RICH, INDEPENDANT Scotland.
"Oh no!" they cry, "we would be doon the swannee if it wisnae fer good auld England spoon feedin us our daily dose of unionist baby food."
Bunch of nyaffs, ignore them.
14

Cynicus Unbound,

03/11/2009 00:48:35
Up late tonight Rufus!

Are you still hallowe'en guisin at this late stage -or have you had the operation?
15

The Strategist,

03/11/2009 00:50:53
The ideal present for Glasgow would be ridding it of all the members of the Labour commissariat that have done so much damage to the economy that projects like the airport link have to be cancelled.

16

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 00:53:25
-13

HEADLINE

speling at skools shows cumpleet faleyour of SPN pollicy's.
17

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 00:58:11
Are you referring to my spelling? I looked, cannae see it, if you mean "thought" instead of thoughts, that wisnae a mistake..
18

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:06:54
IndependEnt.
19

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:14:36
20 So you DO know what it means! Pity that wee brain of your's isnae..
20

Fletty,

03/11/2009 01:16:48
These Onionists are awfy nit-picky aboot spelling.
Espescialy vegitables.
21

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:19:10
HEADLINE

Unionists ignore elephant in the room again.
22

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:19:46
-21

Apologies for my rudeness. Nit picking indeed, and unnecessary.

That said, your politics stink.
23

JaF,

03/11/2009 01:21:21
#2: Timberlake, well wrote as mentioning religion was clever.

#5:Timberlake,well wrote as mentioning Alex Salmond required a lot of thought on your part.
24

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:23:07
My politics are based on facts. Your politics are based on ignorance and fear. Why else do you resort to nit picking? Why don't you refute the independEnt argument?
25

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:24:44
Independence in Europe - the true elephant in the room.
26

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:25:26
-26

I take back my apology. Learn to spell.
27

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:27:32
24 Let's see you rubbish Taquair's argument? Come on, let's hear it! Or can you tell me why as the largest oil producer in western Europe you think we are better off being governed by Westminster? I'd love to hear a coherant, logical, truthful argument from a unionist. Can you be the first?

Apology accepted, by the way. x
28

Barney Thomson,

Reading 03/11/2009 01:29:06
Wouldn't it be nice if we could just cut Glasgow off from the rest of the UK and let it drift over to the island of Ireland where they could then sort out all the chips and prejudices that seem to infect them?

This is not possible so perhaps the best thing would be for the Glaswegians to realise that they live in a country called Scotland, which, at the moment is part of a political union call the UKoGB&NI. There are other people in this country who also require government funding, and, in the present restricted economic circumstances, a vanity project such as a rail link to service a future sporting event may turn out to be of marginal importance.

Current economic circumstances are restricted because any spare cash is required by the union to ensure that the London Olympics are a resounding success.
29

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:29:14
28 Too late, I accepted it!
30

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:31:15
Did the SNP pull the plug just to spite Glasgow?

The preccedence is the 'pilot' scheme that led to transport subsidies to the Western Isles (SNP rep) but not Orkney and Shetlands (LD)?

Maybe the Shetlanders should declare Independance, and sue for their oil...

31

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:33:06
-31

You can't do that!! I took it back in plenty of time, so there.
32

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03/11/2009 01:37:33
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:44:30
Wee Girlie, let's just imagine we're actually having a conversation, where you can't see my lamentable spelling but you can hear my argument. Do you think you could do that?
Do you think that Labour will get us out of Europe? Once we are independEnt from the U.K., we would then have the choice of joining the E.U.. As to whether that is what I want is another matter, the point is, we would have the option.
And do you deny we would be better off with our own huge natural resources, or do you really think we would be better being sucked dry by our vampiric neighbour, attached like an unwilling remora to a prehistoric, unionist shark that still thinks the world is pink?
34

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 01:49:48
33 Your apology is mine!
35

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 01:50:45
Your suggestion that we trade one so-called vampiric neighbour for another, is a curious suggestion.
36

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 02:15:55
37 I suggested no such thing. I said at least we would have the option, personally, the thought of being a subject to President Blair is abhorrent. I see no reason why Scotland cannot stand alone and be successful as an independEnt country, whether that's under the larger umbrella of Europe or as a friend and partner of all our european cousins, is up to the electorate.
37

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 02:21:07
37 Also, even if we voted to join the E.U. at least we would keep our own oil revenues. They wouldn't be funnelled down to England first, then diluted and presented back to us as a subsidy.
38

Barney Thomson,

Reading 03/11/2009 02:36:11
Don't you realise why no money is available for rail links outside Stratford? Glasgow's vanity project for the Commonwealth Games doesn't get a look in. See -

http://tinyurl.com/ycaj9nq
39

Alice Cooper,

03/11/2009 03:03:47
newsnet scotland makes this point so well

The news agenda has (once again) been set by a Labour soundbite, the Scottish budget is apparently proof that the SNP are biased against Glasgow.

The BBC are pursuing this claim as though it had merit. There appears no analysis of any kind of the allegation, nor a requirement on anyone from Labour to define it. The budget has been ignored and in it’s place we have a wholely contrived ‘debate’ on whether the SNP is indeed guilty of such a charge.

Allegations of bias and/or prejudice are very serious, especially when they appear malicious and made in an opportunistic and flippant manner. It is one thing to decry the cancelling of GARL, however it is quite another to allege prejudice on the part of Government ministers or the party they represent.

The Labour politicians indulging in this latest smear campaign must at the very least explain what they mean when they say the SNP are anti Glasgow? They appear to be suggesting a form of intra-regional racism or regional xenophobia on the part of the SNP.

To suggest that the cancellation of GARL is justification on it’s own is simply ridiculous when we remember that the Edinburgh airport link suffered the same fate and no such charge was made. Furthermore, the SNP were very much against the Edinburgh trams project and again no such charge was made.

So, what other evidence is there to support this latest Labour smear?

Since the BBC have decided that this irresponsible allegation is the major issue of the budget, then it is surely their duty to ask the leader of Labour at Holyrood exactly what this phrase means and what evidence he has to justify it.

A failure to do so will leave the BBC in Scotland facing accusations that it is is quite happy to headline any Labour attack regardless of merit and to put any Labour allegation to SNP politicians whatever the allegation may be.
40

Alice Cooper,

03/11/2009 03:13:19
#40 read it and labour throw tons of cash at the olympics ,yet cut funding in scotland,they could so easily fund the garl,but not while the snp are in (Minority)gov at holyrood,had it still been labour/fib dem run we wouldnt be reading about cuts as broon would be shoveling in cash by the barrow load to retain votes at all costs
41

Barney Thomson,

Reading 03/11/2009 03:25:31
#42 Alice
It's not just the bullet train. Take your pick of these obscene investment amounts in a period of recession. £1.4bn on overground alone. See -

http://tinyurl.com/yczzug5
42

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/11/2009 03:36:13
The decision to kill both rail links was the right one.

If you don't have the money because of Westminster Labours cut to the Grant to the Scottish Government then it would have had to come out front line services.

The fact that we hear the childish accusations from useless bampots like Purcell and Gray is to be expected.

Maybe they should direct their temper tantrums at their pals in Westminster.
43

Alice Cooper,

03/11/2009 03:38:47
#43
"Between 2006 and 2011, £1bn annually is being invested in the Underground, on projects including station refurbishment and track upgrading."
and just how much is GARL short ,to finish project?,yet here we see cash flooding in,where as scotlands is drying up
wonder just how much of this is north sea oil revenue money?
why is glasgo not telling brown to invest money just as the article points out for england
44

Anna nexr door,

03/11/2009 03:39:08
WeeGirlie/Rufus/Smee/Am etc once again your purile rants have NO thought behind them, do you really think that im going to start voteing for the Tories because of the
c r a p you write?
Raise the standard for Christs sakes, your getting really boring
45

Alice Cooper,

03/11/2009 03:44:32
mr gray get up of your lazy labour rump and tell,brown we want cash for like for our railway projects
do we have a eurostar leaving a scottish station?,no we have to go south,newcastle and hull mps moaned and grumped when the rosyth ferry came into operation,as they wanted scots firms to drive to england to get a ferry,they bleated they were losing cash and jobs
where was your labour responce to that?
no where thats what,at least salmond and his mob do things for scotland and her inhabitants first and foremost
46

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03/11/2009 03:45:39
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westcider,

Isle of Lewis 03/11/2009 06:29:30
Wee Garl #32
You're trying to fly two other kites here and you know they won't fly. The Western Isles were chosen not for their MP. or MSP. but because they were the most deserving case.Highest levels of unemployment and economic migration needed addressing urgently, whereas Orkney and Shetland were relatively better off.
The Shetland Movement vanished into thin air in 1979, the second it was no longer of any use to Westminster.
48

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 06:47:04
This is just Purcell playing politics, that's what politicians do. Why it's a headline article only the Scotsman can explain.

I genuinely don't know any Glaswegians who give two hoots about this. You have to cut your coat according to your cloth, and quite frankly after the tram disaster I would like rather a lot more reassurance than there is that the GARL project wouldn't turn into trams part 2.
49

Baggy Troosers,

03/11/2009 06:51:59
#32 Wee Girlie .

Did the SNP pull the plug on the Edinburgh Rail link to spite Edinburgh!.

Is your post just the usual childish nonsense from a wee Girlie!.
50

bumpkin,

03/11/2009 07:50:32
where did yesterdays comments on the property tax go to?
perchance did the landowners who own the hootsmon pull them?
51

Linda,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 07:52:28
Under SNP government Glasgow receives more cash per head than anywhere else in Scotland. End of story.
52

Kenny A,

03/11/2009 07:55:14
What gets me is Glasgow already has a high degree of spending per head, more than most areas in Scotland.

Edinburgh could do with a rail link to the airport especialy as it is busyer than Edinburgh.

The priority that seems overlooked is upgrading the A9, a huge chunk of Scotland is suffering from a second rate road, while money is being squandered on unwanted projects like the Edinburgh tram farce who not many people I know even want.

The initial comment about RET in the Western Isles I found somewhat strange. It is on a trial basis and does not favour all. The Isles need serious help as the traditional industries aree being systamaticaly destroyed by European legislation and now a bunch of environmental do gooders with no understanding of the place and the measures the locals had in place for protection for many years.

The reefs for example were known about for centuries and only became public knowledge recently. Guess what heavy booted beaurocrates come stomping in throwing their weight around with no understanding.

All political parties must take their share of blame.The SNP are by far the best in my memory and I am not overly politicaly alligned, perhaps some of the other posters who are blinkered beyond belief could look at this.
53

Kenny A,

03/11/2009 07:56:16
Edinburgh could do with a rail link to the airport especialy as it is busyer than Edinburgh.

That was a stupid typo, should have read than Glasgow.
54

eric,

lothian 03/11/2009 07:56:29
Our air link was dumped 1st.more cash per head in Glasgow simply because more folks work and it does have nearly 2million pop.
55

BIG EYE,

Paisley 03/11/2009 08:04:28
ECONOMIC LESSON FOR UNIONISTS

LESSON 1

When someone cuts £500 million from your budget you have to make some cuts to balance the books. If you don't then you end up with a government like the one at Westminster which now holds the record for being more in debt that all previous Governments ADDED together!

Difficult in particular for Labour Unionists to understand but housewives up and down the country can give you advice on how it is achieved.
56

gus1940,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 08:23:28
There is nothing much wrong with Glasgow that a couple of well-placed H-Bombs wouldn't cure.

The only problem is the prevailing West wind.
57

jtdx,

03/11/2009 08:34:02
Because of the "barnett formula" then cutting budgets in England by £5bn or so means that scotland gets its budget cut by 500m or so.
And when westminter found £1bn to contruct the london crossrail, they have to give an extra £100m to scotland. What happened to this "cross-rail" dividend?

#49 Shetland is screwed whoever is in charge either london will take the oil money or Edinburgh will take it. Sucks to be small. However Mr Salmond did say that the islands will be "consulted" when/if Scotland gets independence, but then again he also said he would protect the "right to roam" in Scotland (then agrees to build walled communities in Aberdeenshire)
58

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 03/11/2009 08:38:16
I am still lauaghing at Labour thinking businessmen/women will take the train from the airport. No they wont, they get taxis.

Glasgow cannot complain, they get more than any other part of Scotland, it is the Labour run council that can't use the money to good effect.

I credit the SNP for making a difficult decision canceling the rail link, knowing the capital Labour will make of it. We all know Labour have no qualms about bribing the electorate in bye-elections (spelling deliberate) to win seats.





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Front Street,

Grange Court 03/11/2009 08:39:18
Time not to give this White Elephant Rail link any more time? This pathetic kicking and screaming from Glasgow must stop. If they want a direct rail link to an airport they should have kicked and screamed about the cancellation of the original direct Edinburgh Airport link. Plus they already have a direct rail link to Glasgow Prestwick airport.
60

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 03/11/2009 08:43:19
#60 - Sorry - that shoud be "buy-election"...try to make a joke and I bu**** it up.
61

Front Street,

Grange Court 03/11/2009 08:46:23
#56..2M pop? around 600k last time I looked. If you are
counting the hinterland look at this.

The Regional Airports Review looked at access to each airport expressed as population against travel times.

The RASCO figures showed:
1-hour access time by road:
To Edinburgh Airport : 2,536m or 50.1% of the Scottish population
To Glasgow Airport : 1,982m or 39.2% of the Scottish population
To Prestwick Airport : 1,401m or 27.7% of the Scottish population
2-hour access by road:
To Edinburgh Airport : 4,01m or 79.2% of the Scottish population
To Glasgow Airport : 3,756m or 74.2% of the Scottish population
To Prestwick Airport : 3,407m or 67.3% of the Scottish population

Ask yourself what difference a Glasgow Central Station
to Glasgow Airport train would make.?
62

Jings MacCrivvens,

03/11/2009 08:48:19
#60,62
Since its Liebore, surely EITHER is correct.
i.e. bye-bye election or buy-buy election!
63

Edgar,

03/11/2009 08:54:19
I see anothe £25Billion+ of tax pounds is being pumped into RBS, soon to be 84% owned by the state. That's quite a subsidy to the Edinburgh economy. I wonder how that affects per capita government spending in Edinburgh... or is RBS no longer to be associated with Edinburgh?
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Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 03/11/2009 09:00:03
It's a sad day when the Unionist parties in this country are linked with (LOL) loyalists, but when you think about it, there isn't much daylight between them.

They all want to keep German Liz and they all want to be ruled from London. I'm not old enough to remember the last days of the Raj, but it must've been like this. Unfortunately, unionists never learn.

As far as this non-story is concerned, Purcell has a cheek arguing about cutting GARL when his own party has cut the Scottish budget by £500m.

And please unionistas, no more lies, eh? If your policies are not strong enough, don't lie. You just become utter scum and a party of the braindead, when you lie!
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thinking,

Scotland 03/11/2009 09:05:23
It would have made more sense to have had a central airport rather than one the other side of Glasgow and one near Edinburgh.
There are already rail links between Edinburgh and Glasgow and it would not have been difficult to have a stop at a central airport.
It would have been better for tourists and business and would have saved on running costs.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 09:08:18
For many years, Glasgow City Council squeezed as much funding as possible out of previous Scottish, Westminster, and European Parliaments, for grandiose infrastructure road schemes.

Its pay back time!
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Scotfree,

Erskine 03/11/2009 09:10:34
Since Glasgow Airport is not actually in Glasgow (it used to , more correctly, be referred to as Renfrew Airport) and the rail link connects (Renfrew) to Paisley, it is not clear that this is a Glasgow issue (particularly as the only difference is a short bus ride from Paisley station.) The M74 on the other hand has a major daily impact on Glasgow with massive traffic jams on a daily basis centred on Glasgow, so it would appear that the appropriate priorities have been met.
As the current Labour regime are giving over 60 million a year to the Government in Zimbabwe and numerous other foreign regimes of dubious character, perhaps the Glasgow labour council can demand appropriate prioritisation of funds from their London masters. The Labour party have in the last century, reduced Glasgow from the industrial heartland of Europe and the second city of the Empire to an industrial and social wasteland benefiting only their own corrupt and corpulent cabal.
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Alan B,

03/11/2009 09:28:55
Always thought the glasgow link should have been a much lower priority. Cannot see that many people who would really want to use it and why it would be much better than having a regular bus from the city centre.

Far better to put the resources into improving the connection between glasgow and edin and giving us a fast service between both cities on both the northern and southern lines.

Having the northern line stop at edin airport would seem more important.
69

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 03/11/2009 09:31:43
More lies catching up with the SNP - who are about to be trounced by the Labour party at it lowest point in history!
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Proghead,

Embra 03/11/2009 09:33:51
Work it out. BAA have been ordered to sell 3 airports. Last week they flogged Gatwick, an airport in dire need of upgrading. They have now to sell either Glasgow or Edinburgh. Edinburgh's passenger numbers are increasing, the tram IS going there, and the terminal is doubling in size. Glasgow is going to be up for asle, the Executive can see this, so why spend money on a new link if the new owners may do that themselves ?
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Angus of the Isles,

03/11/2009 09:37:35
KICK in the teeth for Glasgow, no matter what way you look at it?

How about looking at it this way?

Glasgow has more capital spending than any other city.

Glasgow City Council gets more funding per head from the SNP Government than any other mainland council. £2517 per person compared to £1755 per person in Edinburgh or £1729 per person in Aberdeen.

The majority of the increase in police numbers has been in the Strathclyde area.

The biggest capital spend in the NHS will be in Glasgow.

The Scottish Government is paying for most of the Commonwealth Games.

But because the Government decide not to proceed with a link to the airport due to spiralling costs - they are still funding the improvements to the Paisley-Glasgow rail corridor - people start saying ho that's no fair you are kicking us in the teeth, we're going to scream and scream and scream until we're sick.

Quite honestly you start to see why much of the rest of Scotland regard weegies as whinging spongers. We already get more money spent on us than any other part of mainland Scotland. As you can imagine the rest of mainland Scotland is not too chuffed about that. Let's stop giving them ammunition by playing up to the stereotype.

The rot that the SNP are now repairing in Glasgow has been created as a direct result of 50 and in some cases 74 years of Labour hegemoney. The corrupt corpulent cronies of Labour are eptomised in the useless form of Baron Martin of Springburn, of Port Dundas in the City of Glasgow. So help me God.
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03/11/2009 09:40:31
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Jack Irvine,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 09:55:13
Is it true that the original feasability studies showed that a mere 9 to 11 passengers on average would board the train at the airport?
Is it also true that the later figures that were fed to the public included passengers picked up at Paisley Gilmour Street?
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Angus of the Isles,

Loch Broom 03/11/2009 09:55:22
The quickest, greenest, traffic jam free, most relaxing way to the Airport would be via the river which flows through the heart of the city to the cart River which flows past the Airport.

Glasgow Central platform 13 is a few yards from the old Waterbus terminus at Jamaica Quay. With some good clever engineering a covered terminus could be constructed there to get passengers from the station, straight on to a waterbus and 20 minutes later they could be in the airport. At the Airport end it would need not much canal work, to another covered terminus where passengers could be taken by moving roadways to their check ins.

Glasgow has one of the finest rivers in the world running right through it's heart and ignores it. That is apart from councillors who every now and then lavish themselves with another foreign junket to study water transport in Thailand or some exotic spot.

Modern vessels now are well capable of performing at this level. We have world famous shipyards on the Clyde still that should be geared up to create these vessels and maintain them. Forget the machines of war lets build for peace. Sustainable jobs, and green sustainable transport, bringing life back to a neglected and magnificent resource. "Glasgow made the Clyde and the Clyde made Glasgow." Lets continue the tradition.

Rivers and harbours all over the world utilise their waterways for quick efficient transport. Glasgow utilises her magnificent river to pump raw sewage into every time it rains.
76

Angus of the Isles,

03/11/2009 10:00:01
74
Big Jack Spratt,
03/11/2009 09:40:31


Exactly so. An ancient and basic rule of imperialism and repression. To keep a nation weak, you must keep it divided. The agents of the state are working very hard at that right now. However thanks to the power of the internet and the enduring power of Scotland to exist in it's own right, we shall prevail.
77

chinadog,

03/11/2009 10:02:53
Is it not Labour who are more anti-Glasgow? After all, if they had not pushed through the ridiculous Edinburgh tram project in the face of the opposition of the Scottish government there would have been money for the Glasgow airport link.
78

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 10:13:05
The excuses pile up.

It's London's fault.
Glasgow gets too much money anyway.
It's not value for money.

Take your pick.
79

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 10:13:57
... The new owners will do it.

More excuses to follow...
80

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 10:18:59
... Glasgow doesn't need it. Bombing would be better.

I hope the Glesca boys and girls logged on are reading these anti-Glasgow comments!!

81

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 10:19:56
.... Edinburgh's rail link used up the money.

That's 6 excuses. So far.
82

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 03/11/2009 10:29:05
#82 - "Edinburgh's rail link used up the money"

What are you talking about? Edin rail link was shelved years ago.

These are not excuses but valid reasons why the project was shelved. Take your red rose tinted specs off and look at the facts.

The last thing Glasgow needs is another annoynmous Labour cannon fodder MP.

83

Publius,

London 03/11/2009 10:29:10
#69 Scotfree

I hope you're right about the M74 extension alleviating Glasgow's traffic jams....but perhaps it will simply lessen the jam on the M8 north of the river and make the jam on the M8 worse south of the river. This may make it longer to get from the city centre to the airport. [But I do agree with the basic idea of prioritising the completion of the M74, M8 and M80 over other projects.]

#70 Alan B
"Having the northern line stop at edin airport would seem more important..."

You're right. The direct link to Manchester Airport has led to direct trains from all over northern England and the midlands. Man Airport has become a magnet for overseas investment because of direct links to the airport and lot of scheduled transatlantic flights. We need a similar magnet in Scotland. Edin Airport should become our global focal point. It's not that far from Glasgow.
84

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 10:37:30
Glasgow City Council who put Glaswegians out of business to give the premises to others in highly dubious circumstances have a cheek of accusing anyone of anything.

Free buildings to the chosen few and 150% increases for some of us born and brought up in Glasgow.

Hostels in the recent past for Glaswegians looking for houses to rent that they were told weren't available when they actually were but being kept aside for the money they would receive for housing asylum seekers.

Glasgow City Council controlled by the anti democratic and anti Scottish Labour party.

Public money leaking like a sieve and constantly wanting more. That is Glasgow Council for you.

85

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 10:42:14
If Glasgow Council want more money, as they always do, why do the Labour Party cut the money to Scotland of which Glasgow is the largest city.

Perhaps the Labour Party are both anti-Scottish and pro Glasgow Council. How does that work?

Well as anyone with half a brain can see, it doesn't.

Glasgow City Council are impossible to deal with in many ways.
86

New Danielrober,

03/11/2009 10:45:57
Government finance has always been a mystery to me. Yet the justification of the GARL is not. It should be built for the Commonwealth Games, as a reward for Glasgow which will raise the profile of Scotland and the rest of the UK.
87

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 10:48:18
Wee Girlie,

I am from Glasgow and I am not anti Glasgow, but Glasgow Council are. They are in power for the good of themselves and not the people of Glasgow.

If the were interested in the people of Glasgow why is there so much deprivation? They have had a long time to sort it out and have failed the people and enriched themselves.

Something really ought to be done about the corruption in Glasgow Council. They have got away with it for decades.
88

walter,

03/11/2009 10:52:34
It is about time this and every other news paper stopped reporting the lies, deceit and broken promises of the SNP and only printed the propaganda put out by the nationalist.
How are True Scots meant to indoctrinate the anti Scottish traitors in our mist if these media outlets continue reporting the negatives of the party.
89

noswod,

honestas 03/11/2009 11:03:13
Yourse Wegies hay better get used tae cuts. When Cameron gets intae WhiteHA the Scottish budget will be slashed tae £25bn a year doon frae £33bn, the other thing the bloated Scottish public sector could do is tak a pay cut, nay chance O that. The nasty SNP stopping useful investment in railways while geeing away free parking at Hospitals. Theres naye hope frae oor kids as there will be no economy frae them tae get a job in. The labour party wis a nice wee racket frae Scotland, lots of public spending high unjustified wages frae public servants o a kinds and recently public capital investment spending tae actually mak the economy mair productive. Wit does Jimmy do? gang doon the pub, remember Argentina and vote SNP wi some illusion that a Scottish Govt wi a budget O £20bn a year, thats a the Scottish economy earns, will be better than the wee racket pulled awf wi WhiteHa since 1945. Voting SNP means poverty decline isolation frae Scotland frae the next 70 years.
90

AIasdair,

03/11/2009 11:08:06
#63 Front Street - oh look: Joe Curry/shoogles is back using his "Front Street" moniker... and now claiming to reside in "Grange Court".
So.. Livingston, to Relugas Road, to Leith... now back to the Southside and Grange Court!

Joe - why oh why do you bother with these tragic and pathetic lies?

91

Breezy,

Argyll 03/11/2009 11:17:47
#92

Joe's always trying to catch the first train 'oot' of wherever he's been last !
92

DialMforMurdoX,

03/11/2009 11:25:46
Are you still hurting Walter?
93

NittonLover,

Newtongrange 03/11/2009 11:26:04
#90 - You cannot be real, what "lies, deceit" are you taking about? labour are the provben liars and decievers.

As for broken promisies, manifestos are not promises but wish lists. In a minority government it is not possibe to get everhything through.
94

Laird O'Gorgie,

03/11/2009 11:32:12
A few weeks ago it was the USA who said the SNP had let the country down. Last week business leaders slammed Swinney for his rip van winkle approach to helping business and finance. Yesterday it was flooding in North East as years of SNP councils incompetence regarding drainage policy came home to roost. Now its Glasgow's turn.
One word to describe it all- shambles.
95

AJ Fife,

03/11/2009 11:32:51
Glasgow Council = purveyors of urban poverty

They really have a cheek to slag anyone!
96

Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 11:33:15
#75 Ahh but you can promise to spend more money that you are going to have, and they did, and everyone was happy for a bit.

But then the U-Turns started making everyone dizzy, it was fun for a while, but gradually they got dizzier and dizzier.

Now a lot of people, mainly students, businessmen and construction workers anxious to get going on projects paid for by the SFT just feel a bit sick.

Still though the promises keep coming...
97

All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 11:39:16
Wee Girlie

Why are you picking up on spelling errors? Here are a few of yours.

#32 "preccedence" and "Independance" (tut tut)


98

All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 11:39:24
100
99

Sparky,

Hamilton 03/11/2009 11:48:50
Labour say they will do XY&Z for Glasgow NE. Yet they have been in power there since 1922. Labour have failed Glasgow NE. I suppose Tony Blair will make an appearance if they can raise enough money for his fee.
Is Lord Mick scared to show his face for fear of being lynched.
100

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 11:49:10
Laird O'Gorgie

What a lot of tosh. You want to look at council records, then by all means lets do so.

Shall we have a look at who runs the council that covers Glasgow North East.

The consituency that is the most degraded and deprived in all of Scotland, with some of the highest unemployment, poverty and rates of social deprivation in Britain.

You want to take about a shambles, as wendy alexander once said 'bring it on'
101

Incandescent,

03/11/2009 11:52:35
#91 noswood

Give it a rest. Your attempts at vernacular Scots are tedious, patronising, cringeworthy and, above all, incorrect. " no economy frae them tae get a job in"... eh? I mean, EH? That would translate as "no economy from them to get a job in". You go on to repeatedly use "frae" instead of "fur" (for), and that's just one example.

Can I suggest the Oor Wullie Christmas Annual (any of them) as an invaluable reference for future posts?
102

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 11:55:31
#82 WeeGirlie,
"... Glasgow doesn't need it. Bombing would be better.

I hope the Glesca boys and girls logged on are reading these anti-Glasgow comments!!"

It was mentioned a few weeks back that the unionist arguments are unbelievably childish. Here's a good example where weegirlie makes up a fake comment then adds her own fake indignation below it. You will not find anyone on these boards who say that Glasgow should be bombed.

Labour party activists are now building their whole election campaign on hoodwinking and scaremongering and are trying to exploit my fellow Glaswegians through lies. It says it all about a political party when the cannot win votes by arguing they have the people's and the county's interests at heart. They use intimidation and fear.

The labour party - abusing Glaswegians for their own ends for 74 years. You'll not find a poor Glaswegian labour MP or MSP. As soon as they and their families fill their pockets and grow obese, they swan off leaving drugs, dependency, illness, apathy and poverty. Why vote for that sh 1t?
103

AIasdair,

03/11/2009 11:58:33
#93 Breezy - What I don't understand is why he bothers with the charade?

Does he honestly think that posting the same insecure prejudiced drivel under different names gives his opinions any greater gravitas?

He must ba a very sad and very stupid old man.
104

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:00:42
-89

Is it not true that your views on this are clouded by the fact Glasgow CC is Labour run and your politics are SNP?
105

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:02:20
-95

If they were only wish lists, Salmond should hae stated that in his manifesto.
106

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:04:13
-84

As opposed to one which changes his mind every two minutes on Megrahi and slags off the local university?

I trust the people of Glasgow to make their choice.
107

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 12:07:41
How low will this paper go in it's attempt to save the labour party?


Only the uneducated voters will fall for this and continue to vote for labour!

A Glasgow by-election with very little media coverage but plenty anti snp headlines!


Minutes from a Glasgow City Council metting held on the 12th Febuary this year show that the Labour administration refused extra funding offered from The SNP Scottish Government.


The funding of of £6 million was offered for roads and street lighting was extra on top of the money Glasgow already receive.

Why did Labour Councillors refuse this??

Labour are now attempting to mislead the Glasgow NE voters with stories like this.

If Labour really cared then why did they refuse funding?

Details here....

http://www.glasgowsnp.org/By-elections/Glasgow_North_East_by-election/Glasgow_Labour_blocked_%a36m_invetment_in_city_roads_&_streets/
108

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:10:21
-104

"You will not find anyone on these boards who say that Glasgow should be bombed."

REALLY??? see -58, above

"There is nothing much wrong with Glasgow that a couple of well-placed H-Bombs wouldn't cure. The only problem is the prevailing West wind."

You were saying?


109

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:12:05
The Scotsman shows SNP failure and cyberNats respond with "it's a conspiracy".

The SNP must do better, at Holyrood and here.
110

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 12:12:54
WeeGirlie

get real, have you looked around Glasgow North East recently. Look at the poverty and unemployment and think Labour.

111

Laird O'Gorgie,

03/11/2009 12:16:07
#102 Hit a nerve, did I?
That’s the problem with the SNP - in built prejudice and incompetence.
Yesterday a major academic study was published that looked at all major cities in the UK and compared it with rural areas in terms of income, life expectancy, health etc.
key finding - all cities in the UK show similar variations as you describe for Glasgow
the conclusion - social demographics reflects population mobility not politics.
112

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 12:22:42
113 laird O'Gorgie

Perhaps you could produce this evidence? In the meantime lets continue to look at labour's record in Glasgow.

A team from the University of Glasgow and the city council completed a study that showed us that

Glasgow was still the city with the highest proportion of people claiming the benefit in the UK.

The figures showed that almost 62,000 Glaswegians, 16% of its working-age adults, received IB

Mick Rodger, economics and social initiatives manager at Glasgow City Council, said: "Glasgow has relatively more people on health related benefits than any other city in the UK'

Thats not the same as any other UK city, is it laird?
113

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:23:52
-112

And what has the SNP done about it since they came to power? How much has Salmond invested since he got in?
114

Front Street,

Grange Court 03/11/2009 12:28:06
#30.."Wouldn't it be nice if we could just cut Glasgow off from the rest of the UK and let it drift over to the island of Ireland where they could then sort out all the chips and prejudices that seem to infect them?"

Best comment yet..
115

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 12:30:35
Labour has run Glasgow (into the ground) for 70 odd years.

The SNP have been in power nationally for 30 months, and you want us to clear these decades of mess in that time - and with limited powers.

I'm afraid you, like most of Scottish Labour, are wired to the moon.
116

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/11/2009 12:31:10
I am glad they have killed these Airport Links.

We really must ask is it a good idea to have 4 third rate International Airports in a country of 5 million people or would we be better served by one World Class International Airport.

3 Airports in the central belt alone speaks more about Glasgow/Edinburgh Municipal envy than anything else.

I hope the Government of the day takes this up once we are independent.
117

Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 03/11/2009 12:33:59
"SNP in meltdown over Glasgow's VIP rail link to tax havens!"

Lol.
118

Front Street,

Grange Court 03/11/2009 12:35:37
The only good thing emerging from this GARL nonsense is
just how much taxpayer money is going into Glasgow.
Hopefully this and future administrations will take note and see just how ungrateful these subsidy junkies are. Plough taxpayer money into areas that need and appreciate it.

119

Temple,

03/11/2009 12:36:12
another pi@@ out of the pot by the Labour and Scotsman.com , come on guys few days remains ahead .
120

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 12:37:33
106 Wee Girlie,

It is the case that my views are based on having lived in Glasgow for 37 years and seen it for myself.

I had a business destroyed by the corrupt mafia run Glasgow Council in cahoots with their media cohorts while they promoted and gave buildings to their friends. I am not alone in having experienced the highly and blatantly corrupt activities of Glasgow Council.

Do you expect me to vote for the scum who put me out of business?
121

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:42:57
-122

Yes, obviously.
Do it for Scotland's sake.
122

Alan B,

03/11/2009 12:44:24
#WeeGirlie

"And what has the SNP done about it since they came to power? How much has Salmond invested since he got in?"

That is particially the point. The main economic levers are not devolved. It is westmistner that controls fiscal policy, competition policy, monetary policy, much of the business regulatory frameworks etc etc.

It is only with complete devolution of economic tools can the scottish parliament address our economic problems.

Scotland needs the powers to change, to deal with our economic problems, build on our strengths and to niche our economy.

Remember under browns economic mgt where he did control the economic powers he deliberately ran down the north of the uk slowing our already slow economic growth to appease the south of england who was overheating.

123

Sedov,

03/11/2009 12:44:32
Lets hear it for Glasgow!

A great city with great people and we love coming through from Edinburgh for weekend visits or to catch a show. The SNP will not destroy the friendly welcome that we get.

I have the impression from reading the above posts that the SNP have divided the Scottish people from much of the tolerance that they had with one another all for the sake of their obsession with Independence First.

The more desperate the NATS become the more intolerant they get with people who do not agree with them -that is my own experience of some of my former friends who have turned to nationalism and are now rather bitter and twisted such is the effects of nationalism and patriotism on their physche.

Lets get rid of this yellow and black disease from our country once and for all.

Away the Reds!
124

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 12:47:08
123, Wee Girlie,

The sooner Scotland waken up and get completely rid of the corrupt Labour party the better it shall be for the people of Scotland.

Your comments are those of a complete ignoramus.
125

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03/11/2009 12:48:40
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 12:48:59
Sedov 125,

Another ignorant idiot.
127

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:51:39
-128

Start up a new business and stop moaning. Look to quangoes - Salmond likes them. Golf course too.

There may well be something in it for you.
128

Sedov,

03/11/2009 12:51:45
#128 fitba crazy - you prove my point better than I could!
129

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 12:52:00
union united,

Your name says it all.Haven't you noticed the union is a complete joke that was forced on Scotland to exploit the country and take it over from the Scots.

Wakey wakey.
130

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 12:53:07
Sedov

Your right, Glasgow is a great city and has great people and potential.

Thats why is so awful that 70 odd years of Labour mis-rule has left many parts of it in complete poverty and deprivation.

The SNP are not anto-glasgow, but that are anti-labour because they have let Glasgow down.

131

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 12:53:28
130 Sedov,

You don't have a point. You are simply full of mince.

Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a corrupt bunch of self serving morons?
132

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:54:48
Call your co mpany

Run Roughshod Over Others.
133

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03/11/2009 12:54:49
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WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 12:55:34
-133

We're asking ourselves that very point. But turning time back to May 2007 can't be done as far as i am aware.
135

Sedov,

03/11/2009 12:56:03
#133 - no! I support a bunch of self centred maroons.

Away the Jambos!
136

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 12:58:17
135 union united,

It is a fact that the Scots were brutally murdered if they did not support the union forced upon them and their land and assets given to the imposters and their apologists.

You only have to check the history books to confirm that.

What about the clearances? Are you a Clearance denier?

Seems like it to me, idiot.
137

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 13:00:36
Glasgow has 11.5% of Scotland's population. It receives:

30% of all housing and regeneration expenditure

25% of all NHS spending

SNP Scottish Government has provided £ 84 million for affordable housing in Glasgow with a further £79.3 million for Glasgow housing Association

£842 million invested in the new Southern General Hospital

If Labour and the Lib-dems had not forced through the Edinburgh Tram project there would be an extra £545 million.

Is Glasgow being ripped off???

138

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03/11/2009 13:01:53
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 13:02:35
well said Mssy G.

Labour spin defeated by SNP facts.
140

Sedov,

03/11/2009 13:03:30
138 - its time Hearts had a Clearance, we need some new players

I was brought up with nylon deniers... and suspender belts. No tights in these days Fitba Crazy.
141

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 13:04:16
136, Wee Girlie,

Yeah, 50 - 70 years of destroying Scots and their livelihoods to deliberately impoverish them and help themselves to the funding that should have went to the public but instead ended up in the pockets of the mafia controlled Labour party in Scotland. Only someone either corrupt or unaware of the facts would vote for the corrupt Labour party.

The SNP are a breath of fresh air that was long overdue.
142

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 13:06:51
Wee Girlie just blusters her usual diatribe. Ask her to explain or prove any of her arguments and she ignores you(see 38). Pretty typical unionist stance, as soon as they are confronted with real FACTS, they become blind, deaf and dumb.
143

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:07:06
-139

Other areas need help, so why are the SNP spending so much money in Glasgow?

Is it because they have an election to win, and does that mean the SNP would reduce the amount of money invested there in future and look to another area in order to win votes?

Politicians in America do that.
144

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 13:08:25
140, union united,

They are still exploiting Scots and destroying Scots' livelihoods for the benefit of London and environs.

Waken up and stop being a clown.
145

Gruntfuttock,

03/11/2009 13:09:06
Don't worry. None of this would have happened if we were independent!

If I remember correctly the clearances were instigated by Scots against other Scots. Typically we turn out to be our own worst enemies. What's your view on the new clearance connived by Salmond/Trump? Is there a difference here? The new Laird kicking the pants of the local serfs? If the SNP have their way there will be more than a clearance; there will be mass exodus like the partition of India.
146

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:09:37
-144

Not to SNP indifference at Holyrood or Mr Irrelevant's visits to the North East that mirror Churchill during the blitz.

He wishes.
147

Sedov,

03/11/2009 13:10:07
#144 mark - steady now, you should have said:- sight, hearing and speech difficulties.
148

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:11:21
-146

Talking about exploiting Scots, has Trump been able to get Salmond to push through the compulsory purchase orders on the residents who don't wish to sell?
149

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:12:42
-144

The return of The Stalker.
150

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:13:39
-149

lol
151

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 13:14:34
145 Wee Girlie,

The reason Glasgow gets more money is because it is run by a deficient bunch of corrupt cretins, namely the Labour party who in fact waste the money on overspending on their pet projects.

Check the Labour politicians' expenses, and that is the tip of the iceberg, to get an idea of where the money actually ends up.
152

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 13:14:37
weegirlie

You seem to be jumping topics a lot. Is it because you keep losing and jump to your next point.

153

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 13:18:13
147 Gruntfuttock,

The murder of Scots not wishing to be subjugated by the London Government was not carried out by Scots and the clearances was carried out by those who replaced the murdered Scots who were in no position to carry out anything.
154

Sedov,

03/11/2009 13:21:06
#155 Its murder trying to make sense of your posts, I'm off for the time being.
155

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 13:22:26
148 I rest my case, HELLO! WEE GIRLIE! Why didn't you answer my previous questions? You can't, that's why, so you just spout some more blinkered, bigoted propaganda. Or if you can't do that, you criticize the spelling!
Once again I've tried to have a logical, fact based, serious discussion with a unionist and failed miserably.

Why? Because they have no argument. Any moron with half a brain can see that the simple solution to our problem is independEnce. The only logic behind the unionist argument is fear. Fear that without England we are nothing, fear that we would suddenly misplace our wallet, or the keys if we didn't have England holding our hands.

The unionist argument is condescending and insulting to all Scots.

The only thing that puzzles me is why they even bother living in Scotland.
156

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 13:22:48
156 Sedov,

Goodbye.
157

AIasdair,

03/11/2009 13:28:53
#116 & #120, Front Street - In the past 6 months you have claimed to be from "Relugas Road", from "Leith", and now you're saying "Grange Court", which is off Causwayside.

Why do you bother with these stupid lies, Joe?
158

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 13:30:51
145 weegirlie,


You didn't answer my post last night, was it too difficult for you?


You have posted loads of comments on here today as you do most days, but you have nothing intelligent to say.


You never have evidence to back up your claims, it appears all you want to do is to try and insult the SNP and their supporters.


WeeGirli your name says it all.


You are a wee girlie who posts immature comments and sweeping statements which mean absolutely nothing and brings nothing to a political debate.


One day you may become a Big Girlie and manage to debate in a mature and respectable fashion, until that day I will ignore you as you are far too immature to debate with.


I would encourage others to do the same to stop her tantrums, attention seeking and attacks on others!




159

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 13:36:50
160 It's not just Wee Girlie, it's every single unionist poster on here. They simply break down when confronted with the truth. Wee Girlie is one of the better ones, at least she can spell.
160

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:38:25
-157

Because it's my country?
161

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:39:36
-161

Flattery will get you nowhere.
162

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 13:40:54
-160

Clearly, you have been unable to penetrate my thick skin. I shall ignore your remarks.
163

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 13:46:44
160 Mark Mccan

It's a bummer she can't count!

If she could her Glasgow sums would prove her wrong!

164

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2009 13:59:11
WeeGirlie is, I am sure, a nationalist stooge employed to come up with the most absurd and spurious arguments to attack the SNP. Her rants are so far-fetched that they would not come from a genuine Labour supporter. That, or she is a Scotsman plant to keep the threads going. This boosts the site hits and the revenue take from the advertising. That is why she posts so often over so many subjects. Even the floods at Huntly did not go unremarked.
165

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 14:11:20
166 Wee Girlie seems to be pretty on-message when it comes to Labour policy. Illogical scaremongering, lies, and petty insults.
I mean, me, a stalker? Ha! Writing this from my car, parked underneath Wee Girlie's window...
166

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 14:15:39
#160 Mssy G

"You didn't answer my post last night, was it too difficult for you?"

"You never have evidence to back up your claims, it appears all you want to do is to try and insult the SNP and their supporters."

Mssy G - don't you think its a bit hypocritical to attack someone for not answering a post, and for making insulting claims with no evidence to back them up?

Yesterday for example YOU called me a 'hypocritical biased bigot' and accused me of being 'rude and abusive'.

When I asked you why I was supposedly a 'hypocritical biased bigot' and exactly how I had supposedly been 'rude and abusive' you failed to answer and conveniently disappeared shortly afterwards.
167

Marian,

03/11/2009 14:18:35
Another day and yet another boring anti-SNP rant from the Labour press office finds its way into the media.

By now it must be obvious to all and sundry that Labour have given up on defending their record in power, preferring to spread poison pen stories and character assassinate their SNP political opponents instead.
168

Gone Walkabout,

Guang Dong 03/11/2009 14:31:09
Aw diddums, the Glasgow subsidy junkies are upset because they aren't getting it all their own way.

The fact is Scotland will never amount to anything because Glasgow is part of it, ensuring perpetual mediocrity.

Don't worry Glasgow, perhaps you can follow the Rangers Supporters Trust methodology and just spend somene elses money and boycott paying it back.

I resent the lack of funding in my city when its wasted subsidising a failed popoulation.
169

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 15:00:25
-167

lol

gulp
170

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 15:02:52
Is it me, or has the level of exposes about the SNp increased since may 2007?

While a small minority claim it's bias, the truth is it is indicative of a newpaper going about its lawful business and holding the party in power to account.

Can't say fairer than that.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 15:07:47
Funny that, I seem to remember the Scotsman slagging off the SNP just as much when they were in opposition. Really Wee Girlie, you have to do better than that.

And yer windaes are mingin by the way, cannae see a thing through them.
172

Vasey,

Right Here 03/11/2009 15:08:52
WeeGee or WeeGirlie

Simple question for you, give me 1 example of why Scotland is better off in the union??

1 example is all I am asking for it shouldn't be to hard for you.

Thanks now
173

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 15:16:30
I'm beginning to feel quite protective for Wee Girlie, at least she hasn't descended to the usual vitriol that the others do when they know they can't win the argument.

Plant the seed of logic and it will grow, even in a the desert that is the unionist mindset. Come on Wee Girlie, join us! A free, independent Scotland. Does that really sound so bad? If you love your country, how can you want anything else?
174

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 15:28:52
168 yeah1


"Mssy G - don't you think its a bit hypocritical to attack someone for not answering a post, and for making insulting claims with no evidence to back them up?"


Please read my 160 again!


Attacked? I asked a question and stated the facts!


I have made my position quite clear, I intend to ignore WeeGirlie, therefore it would be hypocritical of me to reply through you!

So, that'll be that!


As for yesterday, you disappeared along with WeeGirlie.


You must admit, you did get yourself into a bit of a tricky situation, it was hilarious!


Thanks very much to the other posters!

You should be thanking them too for the free education!
175

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 15:30:56
172, Wee Girlie.

It's you, , , , , talking mince. Where are all the "Scottish" newspaper stories about the corruption of the Labour Party and Glasgow Council?
176

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 15:34:17
-175

If I love my country.... and just as I was warming to you, you've blown it.

It's the 'them' and 'us' SNP - if you're not with us, you're against us.

Not good enough, and as the polls show, people are getting fed up wth this Braveheart nonsense being spewed out.
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Vasey,

Still Here 03/11/2009 15:37:23
I WILL TRY AGAIN

WeeGirlie

Simple question for you, give me 1 example of why Scotland is better off in the union??

1 example is all I am asking for it shouldn't be to hard for you.

Thanks now
178

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 15:38:23
-177

Come on, now, we've read plenty of articles that are detrimental to Scottish Labour/LibDem and the Conservatives. The expenses scandal hits most if not all of the parties, and none worse than Labour.

You do your argument no credit with this insistence that there hasn't been.

BTW, what have you done about alleged corruption in the Labour Party and Glasgow CC? Hve you reported it, and if so, what did the authorities say?
179

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 15:42:02
Wee Girlie,

Could you point out where the polls say "people are getting fed up with Braveheart nonsense being spewed out"


http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/scottish-voting-intention
180

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 15:49:17
180, Wee Girlie,

The authorities are unable to stop the corruption in Glasgow Council, apparently. Maybe they are too feart or the evidence has been shredded as they done to the records of my studios that they deliberately messed up.

One guy in Glasgow council who apologised years later incidentally for what happened, said they kept everything and he would have a look only to find that they in fact had kept no records of what they done to my business.

Weird or just CORRUPT, you decide.
181

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 15:50:25
-181

The latest YouGov Poll.
Obviously it wasn't commissioned by the SNP.

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Vasey,

Waiting Here 03/11/2009 15:52:45
WeeGirlie,

That's nearly an hour since I asked you a simple question (174) and you have yet to reply to me, you have managed to answer other posters questions in this time is there something wrong with mine???????

I am not asking you to explain rocket science to me.
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WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 15:55:35
-182

Well YOU HAVE decided. No evidence, I note. Just opinion. Where's the evidence? I hope it's more than "one guy apologised years later".

Doesn't stand up in court, I'm afraid. but might land you in BIG trouble.

There's a lot of comment about Labour being corrupt, yet I have yet to read of anyone having the, you know, to speak to the POlice.

If you are serious in your allegations of this kind, and it's not just paranoia, take them to the Police.
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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 15:58:49
174 & 179 & 184 Vasey,

This is what happens, ask a sensible question and there' no comment.

Stoop to petty squabbles and slanderous bile and they respond.


What does that tell you!
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 16:02:35
Wee Girlie,

This one?

Holyrood constituency: CON 16%(nc), LAB 31%(+3), LDEM 14%(nc), SNP 34%(-2)
Holyrood regional: CON 16%(-1), LAB 29%(+3), LDEM 14%(+2), SNP 29%(-1), Green 6%.

So, a slight swing back towards Labour from the SNP since the previous poll. Two projections in the Herald both have Labour as the largest party were these figures to be repeated at a Holyrood election.

I find it strange that the Herald has predicted a Labour win if these figures were repeated in an election when they are supposedly 3% BEHIND the SNP on the constituency vote and even on the regional vote.

Perhaps you are qualified to explain this bias towards the Labour Party.
186

Vasey,

Leaving Soon 03/11/2009 16:04:04
WeeGirlie,

My Question = SIMPLES

It's only 1 question, give me 1 example of why Scotland is better off in the union??
187

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:07:57
#176 Mssy G

"As for yesterday, you disappeared"

Actually it was you who disappeared yesterday.

I asked you why you claimed I was a 'hypocritical biased bigot' and why you claimed I had been 'rude and abusive'.

You failed to respond to either query, or to provide ANY evidence to back up your claims.

However since you are apparently here now perhaps you could answer my above queries today? Or issue an apology for lying and making incorrect accusations against me?
188

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:10:04
#187

"I find it strange that the Herald has predicted a Labour win if these figures were repeated in an election when they are supposedly 3% BEHIND the SNP on the constituency vote and even on the regional vote."

Its because the constituency vote is conducted using FPTP.

Presumably the Labour vote is more concentrated (i.e. in areas such as Glasgow) giving them a better opportunity to win individual seats, whereas the SNP is more spread out.
189

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

03/11/2009 16:10:47
So what have we got so far?

A couple of intellectually challenged unionistas claiming that an over enthusiastic election leaflet, which was immediately corrected, describing the birth place of an election candidate inaccurately by 10 miles is in some way a major issue.
And there is another odious individual, unsuccessfully attempting to suggest that the increasing SNP vote and falling Labour vote is a result of SNP voters migrating to the BNP???

Have they not got anyone possessed with at least a modicum of either logic or common sense?

It would appear not.
190

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 16:10:56
185 Wee Girlie,

What are you wittering on about now?

The evidence is that I was given an eviction notice to get me out after increasing the rent by 150% from £4000 to £10,000.

They also forced me to close to fit 3 phase electricity cabling which has since been ripped back out. This obviously meant my clients had to go elsewhere.

There are plenty of people who witnessed that if they have also shredded that evidence.

I wonder if the Bank has shredded their records too.

I still have letters somewhere showing their demands and double standards regards the treatment I received compared with that of others which was printed in the newspapers at the time.

Has the Evening times shredded their old newspapers or changed the stories, do you think?
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 03/11/2009 16:12:27
This looks like a clear choice between a sleaze ridden bankrupt warmongering Labour party unable to run a competent government and a successful confident SNP who can even get budgets and bills through an aggressive parliament and make a massive success of even a weak minority government by freezing poll tax?

Choices, choices, choices?

192

All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 16:14:27
Another day - another waste of time as all posts are deleted on another thread. Who was the guilty one this time?
193

Conan the Librarian™,

03/11/2009 16:14:43
Why did the comments on the "SNP accused of Dirty Tricks" thread dissapear?
194

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 16:16:04
185 Wee Girlie,

Apparently it's legal anyway to show complete bias by increasing someone's rent astronomically whilst giving others superior buildings for £1 token fee.
195

Conan the Librarian™,

03/11/2009 16:18:05
Or even disappear.
196

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:19:33
#191

"And there is another odious individual, unsuccessfully attempting to suggest that the increasing SNP vote and falling Labour vote is a result of SNP voters migrating to the BNP???"

Firstly why do you describe me as 'odious'?

Secondly that is not at all what I am arguing.

I am saying that according to Nick Griffin, who you would think knows about his own party's voters, 'plenty' of former SNP supporters are now voting BNP.

It is fairly clear I was easily winning the argument on this - no one was able to come up with any evidence to the contrary, or any reason as to why Griffin would lie about his own party's voters.

Thats probably why someone got the comments pulled...
197

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 16:20:12
190, Yeah 1,

Thanks for that, I'll take your word for it but it still seems weird to me if they don't know what the majority in each constituency would be and just have an overall figure.

It also seems weird considering the Labour vote collapsing in England.

Then again, Labour have a record of pochling elections.
198

Conan the Librarian™,

03/11/2009 16:23:27
198
It didn't seem to me that you were winning the argument.
199

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 16:27:29
175 I'm glad to hear you love your country, point is, what country? The U.K. is generally considered a country if you ask anyone outside the British Isles.

And as for the Braveheart stuff, you got me quite wrong there. What I was alluding to was our ancestors who fought to keep Scotland a nation, I'm sure if they were here today, they would be very happy that we are now at peace with our English neighbours. I don't think they would be too happy to see the deprivation and poverty that is endemic in the central belt while we send our oil revenues to the coffers of Westminster.

I hate it when Scots blame the English for our problems, after all, we are responsible for this union, we sold our country down the river, not the English. We help to propagate the lie that we would be bankrupt without England, that we are subsidised by them.

I love my country, I feel embarrassed when I travel abroad and am called English. I think we would get on a lot better with our neighbours if we were in charge of our own nation. We could only blame ourselves for our problems then.

I'm sorry if I alienated you with my nationalistic rave but if wanting the best for my country is something that you dislike, then what can I do?

I just hope that when we do eventually become the prosperous, proud, recognised nation that is our right, you have the ability to buy me a beer and shake my hand and say, "Well done for standing up for your beliefs, I'm glad I was wrong and you were right." I live near Inverness, hope to see you there in a few years. Till then, I leave your windowsill and your grubby panes, and I'm off back to my gorgeous glen.
200

Davie08,

Edinburgh 03/11/2009 16:33:03
Is it just me but does wee girlie sound a lot like wee georgie f?
201

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/11/2009 16:34:07
#195 Conan

"Why did the comments on the "SNP accused of Dirty Tricks" thread dissapear?"

It seems that most of the comments where questioning the Journalistic integrity of the author.

Big Brothers does not like to have his propaganda questioned.
202

Vasey,

03/11/2009 16:34:09
Yeah1 said - or any reason as to why Griffin would lie about his own party's voters.


LOL THANKS THATS THE BEST LAUGH I HAVE HAD ALL DAY :-)
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morris,

edinburgh 03/11/2009 16:36:37
145 I can see why you would accuse the SNP of spending money in Glasgow to try and win over the voters.Its not as if Labour could ever be accused of spending money on Glasgow (or Scotland for that matter).
They just milked it for every drop they could get and put back Sweet Francis Adams.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 03/11/2009 16:40:27
#198 Yeah1

You would start a fight in an empty hoose, now eff off and find someone who can be bothered with your juvenile rants and tantrums and think yourself lucky we don`t have an extradition treaty with the moon.
205

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:41:14
#200

"It didn't seem to me that you were winning the argument."

Well of course it didn't considering you were opposed to what I was saying.

Perhaps you could remind me of any evidence that was provided to prove that SNP voters have not jumped to the BNP?

Or any evidence that was provided to prove that Griffin was lying about his own voters, or why he would lie about them?
206

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 16:41:58
-187

Hey, from little acorns, the worm is turning, etc. Change we need.

-192, -196

Sorry, but I'm not in a position to make comment on your personal circumstances.

No, my comment relates to the general anti-Labour diatribe about being corrupt, etc.

All I see is plenty of hot air, but little action (bit like Mr Salmond) which speaks volumes for all concerned. Threaten, but back down when challenged, what? Maybe someone'll get some backbone although I doubt it.

207

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:44:19
#206

"You would start a fight in an empty hoose, now eff off and find someone who can be bothered with your juvenile rants and tantrums and think yourself lucky we don`t have an extradition treaty with the moon."

I'm sure you would be delighted to 'extradict' me and any others who don't agree with your viewpoint as far away as possible.

Luckily though, despite your wishes, we don't live in a Stalinist dictatorship where any critics of the government are immediately forced to 'eff off' or 'extradicted' elsewhere.

An individual described me as 'odious' and completely mis-represented my argument - I am perfectly entitled, in fact it is my democratic right, to question such slanderous lies and at least ask for reasons as to why he would would such comments.

Don't you believe in democracy?
208

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:45:35
#204

"or any reason as to why Griffin would lie about his own party's voters."

I'm glad you find it so funny.

I assume thats because you have plenty of reasons as to why Griffin would feel the need to lie about his own party's voters?

Please do share....
209

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 16:45:37
189 & 191 yeah1


I can't take you seriously!


I am not going to get into silly little arguments with you over your vanishing act last night!


Here today we have you banging on about the same thig with nothing to back your claim up. You claim you got the nick griffin quote from the Herald, that's hardly a credible source!


You still do not have the intelligence to differentiate between a Scottish Party who supports independence and a British Party who support the Union.



Are you on Murphys pay roll??

210

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 16:46:57
KampungHighlander # 203

"It seems that most of the comments where questioning the Journalistic integrity of the author."
Not for the first time, you are making assertions on subjects about which you know nothing. The thread was bogged down in a slanging match concerning the transfer of allegiances from the BNP to the SNP, or, not.

The subject was supposedly about the SNP candidate for Glasgow NE having made false statements, in the past, about his place of birth, about which he had apparently become confused.
211

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 16:47:03
-205

It's a reasonable suggestion, and not just the SNP at it either, obviously. But the fun is a\ll about dumping on the party in power, isn't it? ;)

After all, once it was Labour in power, and I didn't hear the complaints when it was McConnell this, McConnell that.... day after day, after day.

Let's have less of the hypocrisy.
212

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:47:30
#199

"Thanks for that, I'll take your word for it but it still seems weird to me if they don't know what the majority in each constituency would be and just have an overall figure."

Do you know how first-past-the-post works?
213

All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 16:47:39
Yeah 1

I don't think you're odious.
I do think your linking of BNP with SNP (albeit by quoting Griffin) was possibly underhand.
214

All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 16:51:24
Donkey

In part I agree. Some posters here are quite adept at dragging posters into their own world. This thread is also becoming a slanging match about BNP/SNP.

I think Yeah 1 is doing this on purpose. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps he believes that by linking the two, some posters will be put off the SNP.

I think we should all stick to the topic which is "Trams - are they essential to our way of life?"
215

Vasey,

Away to leave 03/11/2009 16:51:24
WeeGirlie,

I see you have now ignored my question 3 or 4 times, is it to hard for you my dear????

As for Nick Griffin "the holocaust did not happen" as you say why would he lie.....................
216

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:53:23
#215

"I do think your linking of BNP with SNP (albeit by quoting Griffin) was possibly underhand."

Do I really have to keep repeating this?

For about the 10th time - I AM NOT LINKING THE SNP TO THE BNP.

The SNP are NOTHING like the BNP - their policies are not comparable in the slightest.

I was merely pointing out that according to Griffin SOME SNP supporters have jumped to voting for the BNP.

This DOES NOT mean the SNP are ANYTHING like the BNP - it just means that SOME SNP supporters are intolerant bigots who have presumably been attracted to the BNP.

If anything, as I have already said, this should bring CREDIT to the SNP.

It suggests that they are a tolerant, progressive party, and that some of the intolerant, hate-filled bigots who had previously attached themselves to the party have been turned off by the SNP's policies and views.
217

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 16:54:42
#217

"As for Nick Griffin "the holocaust did not happen" as you say why would he lie"

So you are suggesting that because he is a proven liar about the Holocaust, he also lies about everything else, including who votes for his own party??

David Kerr, the SNP's candidate for Glasgow NE is also a proven liar - should we also discredit everything else he says too?
218

Albawolf,

st Andrews 03/11/2009 16:54:53
This is rich

The Glasgow Party (which styles itself as Labour)

Was in power for 8 years and made not ONE INCH of the A9 dual carriage

Not one inch of the A96 or the A82 was upgrade to this 20 century standard, at this time either.

Yet the M77 upgrade was funded, spec'd and BUILT during this
time

Money was allocated to connect the famous road to no-where Althou where to is going, is something only the Glasgow Party Politburo would determine, as likely as not....

A vast sum of money (in the billions) was allocated to roads in Lanarkshire for the coming sports event there.

After all this expenditure they now CLAIM that they are hard done by

They claim this....

What about the FACT that it was a Glasgow party finance minister that stopped this road been built as dual - IN THE FIRST PLACE

What about the lap-doggies in Hitrans who are there to give local cover to the con-job been run here.... (clever tactics that....)

It is time that Scotland give the RED CARD to this RACISM....
and told the Glasgow party

Where to go.............


That is what it is time for............

Yes sir (and madam)
Time Gentlemen please (so sorry Harriet dear....)

219

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 16:54:59
What happened to the other thread?
220

The Real Rufus T Firefly,

03/11/2009 16:56:26
More importantly, what about the anti-Scottish racism that currently exists in Germany?

And what is the SNP going to do about it?
221

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 16:56:41
219 Are you still chuntering on about Nick Griffin?

He said he ASSUMED there would be a crossover of support, he didn't provide any evidence that had actually happened.

So you are barking up the wrong tree.
222

The Real Rufus T Firefly,

03/11/2009 16:57:15
#221 Observer

Loads of nasty, vile nationalist comments caused it to be pulled.
223

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 16:59:44
201 I leave you with another chance to convince me and the other nationalist posters here with a logical, truthful argument for this poisonous union.
I'll remind you of the discussion we were having this morning, that you seemed to misunderstand.

Wee Girlie, let's just imagine we're actually having a conversation, where you can't see my lamentable spelling but you can hear my argument. Do you think you could do that?
Do you think that Labour will get us out of Europe? Once we are independEnt from the U.K., we would then have the choice of joining the E.U.. As to whether that is what I want is another matter, the point is, we would have the option.
And do you deny we would be better off with our own huge natural resources, or do you really think we would be better being sucked dry by our vampiric neighbour, attached like an unwilling remora to a prehistoric, unionist shark that still thinks the world is pink?
224

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 17:00:19
195 Conan the Librarian,

I was wondering that too.


I have noticed how a reprinted article appeared with all the comments from the previous day gone!


Very strange!
225

Jings MacCrivvens,

03/11/2009 17:00:25
#221
Childish, boorish behaviour and downright lies by the Britnat unionists caused it to be red-carded.
226

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:00:41
Wee Girlie's reply! "Your suggestion that we trade one so-called vampiric neighbour for another, is a curious suggestion. "
227

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:01:49
I suggested no such thing. I said at least we would have the option, personally, the thought of being a subject to President Blair is abhorrent. I see no reason why Scotland cannot stand alone and be successful as an independEnt country, whether that's under the larger umbrella of Europe or as a friend and partner of all our european cousins, is up to the electorate.

Also, even if we voted to join the E.U. at least we would keep our own oil revenues. They wouldn't be funnelled down to England first, then diluted and presented back to us as a subsidy.
228

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:02:43
Leave you all to it, it was fun. x
229

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 17:03:02
Yeah1 wants us to provide evidence to show Nick Griffens statement is not true, only the election will prove it is not true.

But Yeah1 also refuses to back up Griffens statement with any evidence that it is. Yeah1 expects us to rely on the good judgement and political sense of the BNP leader.

I think the VAST majority of fellow Scots, and indeed Brits, would fundamentally disagree with her view.

230

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 17:05:05
Albawolf # 220

There's nothing wrong with the A9, people should just drive slower and enjoy the scenery.
231

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 17:05:59
#223

"He said he ASSUMED there would be a crossover of support, he didn't provide any evidence that had actually happened."

No. He was talking about the jump of SNP voters to the BNP and stated that "plenty of people make that jump".

He did not say 'I assume plenty of people make that jump' - he stated it as fact.

I would again ask you the 3 questions I asked you to answer on this issue numerous times on the other thread but since you comprehensively avoided answering them there its probably pointless to ask you them again - you are clearly unable to answer them.
232

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 17:06:30
mark mccann # 225

Colourful, but rubbish!
233

Desmo,

Lumphinnans 03/11/2009 17:08:14
See what I mean ?
234

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 17:08:41
233 You seem to be unaware that the article is still on the Herald's site.

Do you think we are all stupid? I mean do you? You are flogging a dead horse here, the same dead horse you were flogging yesterday. It's in bits now. It's a health hazard.

You need to stop now you are becoming delusional.
235

Yeah1,

03/11/2009 17:09:11
#231

"Yeah1 wants us to provide evidence to show Nick Griffens statement is not true, only the election will prove it is not true."

How exactly will the election prove it isn't true?

Perhaps you are unaware but elections only record who a person votes for in that particular election - they don't record who they voted for in previous elections.

There will be a small percentage of people in Scotland who vote BNP - there is no way of knowing from the election results which party, if any, those people previously voted for.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 03/11/2009 17:10:00
#198Yeah1, 03/11/2009 16:19:33
Firstly why do you describe me as 'odious'?

Secondly that is not at all what I am arguing.

I am saying that according to Nick Griffin, who you would think knows about his own party's voters, 'plenty' of former SNP supporters are now voting BNP.

It is fairly clear I was easily winning the argument on this - no one was able to come up with any evidence to the contrary, or any reason as to why Griffin would lie about his own party's voters.

Thats probably why someone got the comments pulled...
_________________________

Since Nick Griffin polled 0.4 percent of the Scottish EU vote and the Labour vote fell whilst the SNP increased, do you not think it is an odious suggestion you make?

The Conservative and Unionist vote took the biggest hit (losing an MEP) suggesting a swing away from all three main British Nationalist parties towards the BNP.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 17:10:29
208, Wee Girlie,

No evidence? LOL Copy and paste for reference at your leasure.

On the first link just scroll down a bit and get a fairly comprehensive list on that link alone. Enjoy reading.

http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4406575.stm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170211/Cherie-Blairs-stepmother-centre-vote-rigging-row-clears-hurdle-MP.html

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2005/05/you_can_beat_la.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article377468.ece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/3624344/Labours-corruption-is-beyond-endurance.html
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 17:13:06


The SNP cancelled the Glasgow Airport Rail Link for political reasons, to prove to their core support that they are an East Coast party. They approved the Edinburgh Trams for the same reason.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 17:15:09
240 Nice re-writing of history there Donkey, you are always good for a laugh.
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:16:53
240

Erm - they didn't approve the trams. Who mentioned trams here anyway?

oops - it was me.
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Yeah1,

03/11/2009 17:19:07
#238

"Since Nick Griffin polled 0.4 percent of the Scottish EU vote"

Actually the BNP got 2.5% of the Scottish vote in the Euros - but don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

"The Conservative and Unionist vote took the biggest hit (losing an MEP) suggesting a swing away from all three main British Nationalist parties towards the BNP"

Do you have proof of such a swing? 'Suggesting' such a swing is not proof.

How do you know that the 3 main parties' votes did not go to the SNP and that the SNP lost a number of their voters to the BNP at the same time?

The only thing close to proof on this matter at present is from the leader of the BNP, who states that "plenty" of SNP voters have made the jump to the BNP.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 03/11/2009 17:20:11
#240 Donkey Hote

Rufus will be miffed at losing his monopoly on p!sh
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:22:19
"Rufus will be miffed at losing his monopoly on p!sh" .. with a toilet on Old Kent Road.
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 17:23:52

Schools are closing in Lanarkshire because of SNP cuts. The SNP do not see any purpose in educating children in the West of Scotland: how many more schools will close in the West of Scotland because of Scotland's East coast dominated SNP?

Observer # 241

I aim to please, but, it is easier for you! To aim ...

The SNP let the Edinburgh trams go through because they did not have the moral fibre to oppose them. It amounts to the same thing.
Ask Salmond about backing and laying horses, he will understand that analogy!
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 17:25:42
214 Yeah 1

Yeah, Winner takes the seat, plums for the rest.

Here is an example.

Labour votes 500

SNP votes 200

Labour wins

SNP votes 500

Labour 35

SNP wins

They would have 1 seat each but overall the SNP would have 700 and Labour would have 535 voters. This would show more support for SNP but only 1 seat each which backs your case.

HOWEVER if it was the other way round with Labour on 700 and the SNP on 535 this would NOT back your case.

If only a percentage of the overall vote numbers is given how can they possibly equate that to a LABOUR win and not an SNP win?

Partisan bias perhaps?
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:29:13
234 Donkey, in what way is it rubbish? I've been trying to get a unionist to give me a decent argument for years on here and I still haven't found one. All they say is "rubbish" or they abuse me.
Could you be different? Can you give me one good reason why we shouldn't be in charge of our own nation? And I mean a reason that can stand up to simple logic and isn't backed up by fake statistics and lies.

It's like there's an alternative universe you guys live in.
Someone! Please! Give me one, just one decent reason to think your not all blind, fearty idiots.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 17:29:35
This is what Yeah1 is making such a fuss about:

'' One has to assume that the jump from the SNP - ie the concept that our people are something a little bit special and entitled to something - to BNP, which is very much in favour of Scottish identity and fair treatment for the Scots and so on, it's not as big a jump as from the Labour Party to the BNP or the Tories to the BNP, and plenty of people make that jump''.

''If people have once voted Nationalist then another form of nationalism is an entirely logical step, especially when it's from an illogical nationalism to a logical one''.

I think anyone reading that has to conclude that;

1. Griffin knows nothing about the SNP
2. Griffin is making up the movement of support from the SNP to the BNP
3. Yeah1 has spend two days talking drivel.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:32:11
240 HA! HA! HA! Ha!
Criminy!
I give up!
What a bunch of numpties. So the SNP approved the trams Donkey? I suppose they also gassed the Jews? Crucified Jesus?
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 17:34:24
Desmo # 244

You, as the guy who puts the "Lump" into "Lumphinnans," broke his monopoly long ago. Don't hide your bushel under a lamp.
If you can't find a suitable riposte, do what your SNP compatriots do and attack the messenger. But, failing a suitably potent attack try some humorous repartee. That way, when you make pillock of yourself, we at least laugh.
OK Lumpy?
That guy that calls himself "Tynietiger" makes me laugh when he abuses others posting here. I mean, it takes nothing to mock his moniker by calling him "TynieTadger." Is it mocking if it true?
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Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,

03/11/2009 17:34:37
249

"Can you give me one good reason why we shouldn't be in charge of our own nation? "

It is very simple.

We are in charge of our own nation - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

In which, incidentally, a Scottish vote counts for more than an English or Northern Irish one.

Although not a Welsh one. Curse their oppression!

"a reason that can stand up to simple logic and isn't backed up by fake statistics and lies."

In researching these issues I have found that without fail, it is the Nat argument which is based on fake statistics, lies and myths.

http://nat-mythbusting.blogspot.com/
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:34:48
"The SNP let the Edinburgh trams go through because they did not have the moral fibre to oppose them."

Go back a bit further please. The SNP in Holyrood wanted the tram scheme scrapped. The opposition (in its "wisdom") voted the SNP down. The scheme went ahead leaving less money for Glasgow.
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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 17:38:10

Glasgow has 11.5% of Scotland's population. It receives:

30% of all housing and regeneration expenditure

25% of all NHS spending

SNP Scottish Government has provided £ 84 million for affordable housing in Glasgow with a further £79.3 million for Glasgow housing Association

£842 million invested in the new Southern General Hospital

If Labour and the Lib-dems had not forced through the Edinburgh Tram project there would be an extra £545 million.

Is Glasgow being ripped off???
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:40:26
So the government made a cod of the banking crisis and the EU told them to change it. It's now to cost the taxpayers £28.7 billion to sort out their mess.

Nothing to do with Glasgow NE, but why should it just be Yeah 1 who steers the subject away.
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:42:08
256

Thanks for the figures re extra money had the tram vanity project been scrapped.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 17:42:20
254 Capt. Mandrake,

If Scotland votes an SNP majority of 10% in a General Election and England votes a 10% Tory majority and your mince was true then the SNP would win the GE.

How daft can you be? If only it was true.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:48:41
Mandrake, can you explain why the U.K. government always use per capita figures when telling us we would be no better off if we had been independent when we discovered oil? Why don't they use the true geographic figures? Hmmm? Love to hear your explanation!
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 17:51:38
Mandrake,

It doesn't matter what Scotland votes in a GE as we are completely outnumbered. by at least 10 - 1 by England, well down on a few hundred years ago by the way due to Labour and Tory policies screwing Scotland.

The only way round that is for the SNP to get well over 50% of te total Scottish seats to gain Independence and even then the London mob would try and change the game to suit them in keeping Scotland tied to them to enable the continued exploitation of Scotland.

The UK of GB and NI is not a nation in itself but a supposed Union of 4 (at the moment.) Scotland, England, Wales and N. Ireland.

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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:53:18
Here's one.

A priest goes into a hotel and asks the receptionist if the pòrn channel is disabled. She told him it was normal pòrn and called him a sicko.
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 17:53:51
Oops - wrong tab!
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 17:56:16
Mandrake? Lost for words? Here's one, begins with Tw ends in t and rhymes with bat.. Think you know that one?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 17:57:54
263 What tab was it meant for?
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 17:58:31
Messy G # 256

You are right, what a waste it is for the East Coast SNP administration to spend any money in the Rest of Scotland.
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 18:00:52
I was contemplating sending in a joke to the EEN. Just as well I suppose.
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All the good names are gone,

03/11/2009 18:02:07
266 Donkey

So you didn't read the post then? Had the trams been cancelled there would have been more money for the Weegies.
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Conan the Librarian™,

03/11/2009 18:03:46
249
Mark, he IS the unionist you have been arguing with for years...
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 18:03:58
All the good names are gone # 262

Salmond goes to dinner with her Majesty the Queen. Later he farts, volubly. The Duke of Edinburgh remonstrates with Salmond, "My God Sir, you farted in front of the Queen."
Salmond replies "I'm sorry Duke, but, I didn't realise it was her turn."
Scotland shamed!!!
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 03/11/2009 18:05:55
#253 Donkey Hote

Can I have your brain please ?

I`m building an idiot and you don`t seem to have much use for yours.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/11/2009 18:08:21
Interesting story about Boris Johnson

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hLrjeWaqMl48XXDBOuSidxcLRdVg

The Scotsman will no doubt cover it with the headline

"Basher Boris Attacks Socially Deprived Teens"

Good Night All
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 18:09:59
All the good names are gone # 269

Is Glasgow being ripped off, Yes!
Glasgow needs a rail link to Glasgow Airport.
East Coast farmers need more subsidies to stop big fish eating birds, supposedly, eating their lambs: no contest, for Salmond.
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The Real Rufus T Firefly,

03/11/2009 18:12:32
I just had someone trick or treat my house dressed as a postman.

Trust them to be two days late.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 18:13:47
274 You still here Donkey? You believe that the SNP approved the trams! Lol!
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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 18:15:07
Looks like Torys will win no matter who Scotland vote for. So the best thing for Scotland would be to unite and vote for SNP.


We would then have a stronger voice in Westmonster and hopefully gain more fiscal powers.


Labour has filled our heads for years telling us how poor we are, aye right!


So, what about the GLENLIVET GAS DISCOVERY in September??


There not telling us about that, are they?


Wonder why???
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 18:22:02
Lumpo Desphinnans # 272

If you were funny you would be on the stage, but, you are not on the stage. Except the Stagecoach out of Fife, where everybody sees you're funny and you have to sign that "Register" wherever you go. Don't forget tomorrow, or, you go back down the snake ...

You can have my brain when I am finished with it, but, don't expect it to work in your head immediately, the cavity is way tooo small ...
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European Scot,

03/11/2009 18:23:00
250 Observer

Nicely done Observer !
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 18:24:45
278 Just googled it, very interesting. Course they'll probably tell us there's only enough to run a cooker for a couple of years.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 18:27:42
"Finance jobs under threat in Scotland" from tonight's Reporting Scotland. Let's vote for another few years of the union, that's bound to save them.
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 18:29:42
mark mccann # 276

Yo, I'm here.
Did the SNP oppose the trams, yes, or, no?
Salmond is the lazy man's bookie, he will tell you that you can "Lay" a horse in a race by "Backing" all selections except the one that you think will not win and vice versa. Salmond was playing the bookie in the Edinburgh Trams debate, why would he "Lay" a selection that he knew he would lose?
Salmond didn't have the bottle to oppose the Trams, therefore, he backed them.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 18:35:01
284 But he didn't back the trams Donkey, check your facts and the voting records. The SNP voted against it, the opposition voted for it. What skewed logic makes you think that's backing it? The same srewed logic that thinks we'r being subsidised by the union? The same screwed logic that thinks we've got hardly any oil left? Your contribution just devalues the already flawed unionist argument, away and play wi yer toys.
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Rob Royston,

Africa 03/11/2009 18:40:26
Typical of Glasgow's Labour career politicians moaning about their latest vanity project being cancelled.

This Garl thing was a non-starter from the get-go. At one end a dead-end terminus station serving only a fraction of the population and at the other a dead-end airport only catering for domestic and holiday destinations.

Edinburgh is the place to fly from if you are going anywhere from Central Scotland these days. With Glasgow you need to add an extra leg to every business journey.

I would build a new airport near Falkirk that would catch all the rail and road connections that exist already and shut all these provincial airports down. If Scotland has any vision for its future it has to get a business head on fast and slap down all the parochial councillors who are only thinking of their next free-lunch at our expense.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 18:43:10
Your right Donkey, I'm desperately seeking a unionist who can successfuly argue the case for staying in the U.K. Still looking. Still getting the usual childish jibes from people who know their stance is flawed or in your case, people who are just plain thick.
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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 18:45:09
282 Mark

The media have not really covered it, the BBC did put a page up but there was no link, you had to know about it and search for it to find it!

Wonder why?

A stronger case for independence?
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 18:52:28
mark mccann # 286

You keep using the same terminology "same screwed logic." I have said it must be awful for you, calm down Mark, or, you risk the same kind of mental dissolution as your hero, Salmond.
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Frank Spencer and Betty,

03/11/2009 18:56:04
www.paisleyexpressions.blogspot.com
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 19:04:50
292 Mssy of course the Beeb are burying it. Just like the government buried the McCrone report and use per capita oil figures when telling us we would be knackered if we were independent. Every time the SNP point out that the correct figures are geographic the Beeb don't show it.
It's in the BBC's interest to keep us in the union, as it is for England, if they lose us now they will have some serious problems replacing the billions that our oil gives them, so they say they subsidise us and tell us we would be bankrupt if we left the union. The opposite is the truth, what's amazing is that they've got away with it for so long.(not so amazing with posters like Donkey)

All we have to do is educate the Scottish public, once they realise they've been lied to for years, they'll do the right thing.
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 19:23:05
mark mccann, # 291

I suspect that you are close to the IQ of the average university student in the UK, around 118, but, I suspect less. People with superior intellects, generally, do not attempt to denigrate others in the brazen that way you do. Maybe, you are an exception? But, it is a safe tactic when there is no other.

I'm not a Unionist Mark, I just think that people like Salmond and a lot of his supporters belong in a theme park behind an electrified fence: a very high one. They can shout their opinions to us without their oppressive physical presence over that fence. That is my opinion. Nationalist rhetoric is designed to appeal to the idealist, the young, individuals who are politically immature and gullible.
Salmond is the ideal character to attract that kind of susceptible individual: Salmond is Scottish Nationalisms "Pied Piper. Don't dance to Salmond's malicious tune.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 19:27:15
No doubt this monumental snub by the SNP to the People of Glasgow North east will be a major plank of Labours bi-election propaganda.

Ironic that there are zero train stations in Glasgow North East that even link to the proposed line...how thick do they think the punters are?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 19:34:43
#298 Donkey Hote

Unionists come in only two packages -

1) "individuals who are politically immature and gullible" hardly surprising that the SNP would be attempting to sway this lot.

2) Amoral self-seeking scum of the universe types...not much hope for them, in this life or the next.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 19:35:03
282, Mssy G

The reason for that typical piece of obscuring our mineral wealth that we don't actually get our hands on is the fact that even with Scotland's wealth in their pockets London have spent so much on a load of garbage at their discretion and to the exclusion of Scots' opinions that they are up to their ears in debt and they want Scottish assets to pay for it all hence the biased partisan reporting becoming even more antiScottish than usual.

The thought of Scottish Independence has them quivering in fear. Expect more dodgy behaviour and corruption from the usual suspects to screw us out of our assets and render our lives inferior.

Their policies of ethnically cleansing Scots from their own Country has a large part to play in us not getting the Government we want and also the difficulty in achieving independence.

This was done deliberately for obvious reasons.

Scotland was their first addition to the empire and last to get out.

It is imperative that we vote for Independence while there is something left.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 19:36:25
Should have been 292 Mssy G.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 19:40:53
Donkey Hote

'People with superior intellects, generally, do not attempt to denigrate others in the brazen that way you do'

then you go on to prove the point by stating

'just think that people like Salmond and a lot of his supporters belong in a theme park behind an electrified fence: a very high one'


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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 19:41:33
297 Mark,

Spot on!

The Scottish Government is tweeking the school history, so at least our kids will be taught more Scottish history.

BBC Alba, has produced some great program's, however, it's only to a limited audience.


Diomhair is on youtube and would recommend that to anyone, in fact I think our Scottish Government should use it along with the BBC Scotland History to be used in schools.


I'm not promoting the BBC, in actual fact I' a bit of a BBC complainer!

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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 19:47:51
295 Frank and Betty

"www.paisleyexpressions.blogspot.com"

Great blog, cheers!
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 19:49:10
Donkey Hote,

"People with superior intellects, generally, do not attempt to denigrate others in the brazen that way you do"

So you think you have a superior intelligence?

It wasn't that the other day then was it?

Constant negative bunkum and going aff yer heid.

Or is your memory as bad as your version of the truth?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 19:51:02
Oh dear!

Not long until Donkey Hole puts on his "yellow poo man" hat and gets the thread closed down.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 19:51:27
310 Donkey Hote,

No doubt you would love it were we rounded up and stuck in a concentration camp you scrotum.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 03/11/2009 19:52:03
310 Donkey Hote

Again you are showing your IQ with childlike insults.

The SNP are lucky in one respect, we have opponents like you, and Justin Timberlake. Don't forget Iain Gray (the invisible man), Wendy Alexander (bring it on) and good old Lord Foulkes.

When the 2011 scottish election comes we shoudl be able to tear this lot apart - before breakfast.
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 19:54:40
Samuel Nathanial # Various

No, you are right. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when I shouldn't have. SNP rhetoric is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, you are proof that it works.
SNP, the east coast party trying to con The West Coast ...
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 19:54:56
Donkey, why do you bother? Shouldn't you be reading the Sport? If you're not a unionist and you're not a nationalist, then what are you? You have proven time and again just in this thread that you have not only a very low intellect, but a coplete lack of understanding of your fellow(i was going to say man but I think that elevates you to a different species) poster. As to my IQ and my age, it's kind of irrelevant and none of your business. I'm afraid this is the last time I respond to your terrible, inane posts.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 19:56:33
318 Yawn. You need to change the record. Glasgow has done very well out of the SNP - I think the 22 SNP Councillors and the City's MSP's and MP would have something to say if they didn't.

This ain't a Labour City any more. SNP are catching up.
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mark mccann,

03/11/2009 20:01:11
308 Mssy You have a good point, the BBC has a jeykll and hyde character, the Scottish side made the excellent "Scotland's oil?" shown last year, which blew the myth of our dwindling resources out of the water and exposed the suppression of the McCrone report by successive governments. Yet there's Bryan Taylor who could quite easily write for this paper.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:01:12
The person that can restore the housing and regeneration budget and ensure employment in Glasgow is in point of fact Alistair Darling.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:02:53
labour in bed with the CBI and Ian McMillan. And the Ludge. Deary deary me what a day I never thought I would see the like.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 20:03:28
#318 Donkey Hote - "SNP rhetoric is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator"

Yup!

Brothers we are Scottish!

Do you want the English and their tartan glove puppets to Lord it over us for another 300 years?

No...Well vote SNP!

Works for me.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:03:42
It's only a matter of time before the Tax Payers Alliance join in.
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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 20:04:12
305 Fitba Krazy,


It's fairly obvious that they are shaking in their boots. The lack of coverage of the Glasgow North East by-election is unbelievable!

Labour is in such a bad way i suppose no publicity is better for them.


They are in England what the Tory Party are in Scotland , irrelevant!


Scotland has made it quite clear to the Torys what we think of them.

It is time for us to show the Labour Party what we think of them!


The unionist have treated us with no respect!


Save Scotland Vote SNP
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:14:14
331 Read the Evening Times and see who Labour are in league with to attack the SNP.

Shame doesn't come into it.

Beyond that.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 20:15:00
#330 Samuel Nathanial

He is in so much distress, if he was a horse they would have to shoot him.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 20:20:08
328, Mssy G,

I know who I'll be voting for when the time comes however I feel we are being teed up for yet another piece of Labour vote rigging.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:21:08
333 Then yeah1 would turn up to flog him, flogging dead horses being his hobby.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 20:31:13
#336 Samuel Nathanial

I thought that it was the sober and respectable wife and 2.4 children face of Unionism, who indulged in that sort of thing...down with that sort of thing!
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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 20:33:18
Samuel Nathanial

Expunged by whom? People who hate truth, the SNP?
The SNP do not have the power to expunge anyone, but, they would like to!

To all SNP wannabe Expungers: Dictator Salmond has not yet given the authority to Expunge our political enemies, so, no Expunging is to commence until Dictator Salmond issues his personal decree.
Hague War Crimes Court to take note.
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 20:35:12
Observer, 332,

Had a quick look at the ET online and can't see what you mean however the concerted attempt to make out Glasgow somehow gets a raw deal from the SNP is a blatant attempt at influencing the result of the Glasgow NE election coming up.

I wonder if we shall get an honest vote count.

Going by the suspect increase in applications for postal votes I doubt it somehow. I wonder why?
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WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:39:25
-249

Two words.

D E F E N C E M A T T E R S
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Mssy G,

03/11/2009 20:40:38
323 Mark,


I used to feel sorry for Brian Taylor, thought he was suppressed, how bl**dy stupid of me!

He knows exactly how not to interview!



When Scotland becomes Independent, what will happen regarding the BBC?

I grudge the yearly tax!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:44:59
343 What I am meaning is that they are lined up with the business community Fitba - and no one else. Labour's natural allies are very silent on this. I hear no clamour for the GARL link here from ordinary punters - none at all.

Also there are some bare faced blatant lies but what do you expect.

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WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:45:02
-334

Where is your evidence for this?
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Labour Lies,

03/11/2009 20:46:28

I think Yeah 1 is having a wee lie down in a darkened room after two days of posting mince.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:47:27
345 Garbage.

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Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 20:48:10
Samuel Nathanial # 344

Don't try to withdraw your expunging remark. That comment is typical of a Scottish Nationalist mentality that is true, but, one you did not wish to expose; expunging ones political enemies.

What does expunging mean to you Samuel Nathanial? Explain now, make it easy for the Hague court, in the future, to understand what Scottish Nationalists mean by "expunge," now!
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Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 20:48:23
345, Wee Girlie,

So the wishes of the people of Scotland are to be denied so as to defend our democratic rights and all we stand for?

Gies a break. That is rather weak.
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WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:48:34
-343

The ET is part of the 'conspiracy' too?
Oh dear.
331

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:51:21
354 Do you have any idea how much money the Labour Council and it's associates siphon off the the Evening Times in advertising revenue?

Go figure.

332

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:51:51
-351

I know, and can feel your exasperation from here. How maughty.

However, please feel free to explain what the SNP's plans for Scotland's armed forces and security follwoing separation.

333

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 20:51:56
349, Wee Girlie,

Here is some evidence of Labour vote-rigging and corruption.

http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4406575.stm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170211/Cherie-Blairs-stepmother-centre-vote-rigging-row-clears-hurdle-MP.html

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2005/05/you_can_beat_la.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article377468.ece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/3624344/Labours-corruption-is-beyond-endurance.html
334

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:55:43
Excusing the paranoia for a moment, why don't separatists start their own paper?

Has there EVER been a separatist mouthpiece?
335

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 20:56:59
Observer # 355

It's either time for you to go to Strathclyde Police with your evidence, or, see a psychiatrist about your persistent conspiracy theories.
336

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:57:04
-353

You don't think the country's defence and security is important?
337

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 20:59:27
356 It will probably involve spending the money we need on defence rather than Trident (dubbed useless as we know by the Generals) and using the current shortfall (accumulatively about 4 billion pounds) between what Scotland contributes to the defence budget and what we get back on kitting out the Armed forces with basic equipment. Etc.
338

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 20:59:39
-357

How many people have gone to jail? Feel free to include figures from your own dispute with Glasgow CC.
339

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 20:59:50
354, Wee Girlie,

Why do they report a story making out that Glasgow gets a bum deal from the SNP when in fact Glasgow Council gets more than most if not all as already pointed out by Mssy G.

What do you think?

Is it a conspiracy to deny the people of Scotland running their own country or is it the truth?
340

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 21:00:44
359 Oh it's already all been published in the Digger Donkey. I'm just hoping weegirlie takes the bait.
341

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 21:02:30
Fitba Krazy # 357

If you have evidence of crimes go to the Police in the relevant jurisdiction. A load of hyperlinks to spurious websites is not evidence unless your name is Angus MacNeil MP SNP.
342

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:02:51
-361

Any other time and stats are to the forefront of the cyberNat's debate, yet they are missing here.'

Please be specific, and include information on size of navy, air force, troops, etc.
343

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 21:04:35
366 Are you bonkers? This thread is about spurious allegations made by Stephen Purcell. If you want the stats go check GERS yourself, I presume you know how to do that.
344

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 21:06:51
366 You'll need to check the House of Commons Library as well - that should keep you busy.
345

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:13:00
-363

With respect, the running of the country is a separate discussion.

Corruption - now, the links you supply suggest wholesale corruption.

You appear to be talking Chicago-type arrests here.

Unless this is mere smears (something you claim to dislike) when can we see Starthclyde Police mobilising huge numbers to deal with these issues?

We see them go mobhanded to deal with dangerous armed
drug cartels.

I may have missed it, I can't recall a similar operation on the offices of Glasgow CC.

346

alanh,

ek 03/11/2009 21:15:20
in nu liebores recesssion what does mr purcell want to remove from our budget to pay for the unneccessary GARL ?
347

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 21:17:53
362. Wee Girlie,

Here are some who have gone to jail for Labour vote rigging,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/voterigging-councillor-jailed-for-3-years-482195.html

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/Voterigging-former-mayor-jailed.3955749.jp

http://www.lgcplus.com/news/bradford-labour-activist-found-guilty-of-vote-rigging/1407525.article


And here are some Tory and Lib Dem ones,

http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/2008/01/conservative-councillor-vote-rigging.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1316835/Hackney-poll-fix-councillors-jailed.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6207605.ece
348

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 21:18:41
alanh # 370

Who says GARL is unnecessary? You and who?
349

LIBERTY BODICE,

03/11/2009 21:22:26
#278 The Atlantic oil and gas fields are going to be as big or bigger than what has been discovered in the North sea which in itself has a hundred years of reserves left.

Scrabster and Flotta are undergoing major developments at the moment to cope with the increased activity expected in the next twenty years. It will be spirited away from under our noses unless we act quickly.


http://tinyurl.com/yl2v5g8

http://tinyurl.com/ykuwy9n

http://tinyurl.com/ygumuwh

http://tinyurl.com/yl6cu77

http://tinyurl.com/yzsvray

http://tinyurl.com/yf9pwdl

There have been very significant finds in the Western approaches in the past two years, widely reported in the trade press, but not a squeak in the The Scotland-UK Coalition of Unionist Propagandists (SUKCUP) press.
They must never reveal the true potential that Scotland has or secession would be demanded tomorrow. If the voters in Glasgow North East wake up and vote the SNP should walk it. Will the The Scotland-UK Coalition of Unionist Propagandists (SUKCUP) win the day for them along with rigging the postal vote.
350

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 21:22:58
372 Who says it is necessary apart from Ian McMillan and his cronies? If it's so necessary why wasn't it prioritised by Labour? Answer alanh's question - what do you think should be cut to satisfy Stephen Purcell and the Institute of Directors?
351

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:23:29
-367

With respect, I was asked for one reason on why I feel my country is better in the Union. Defence is important to me, and I daresay many others besdides.

I treated the question with respect and responded in kin. Now I'm faced with your cyberNat waffling. Your reply smacks of the tosh you tried on SU. Allbluff and BS.

From earlier posts, I was led to believe cyberNatLand had all the answers on independEnce.

Clearly, I was mistaken. More deceit.

Feel free to get back to me -
the subject is D E F E N C E
352

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:25:27
-371

So there's no closing down of Glasgow CC. Do I give you a way out and accept that isn't what you meant?


353

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 21:27:12
Yawn this thread is about spurious allegations made by Stephen Purcell. Your diversionary tactics won't work.

If you want to discuss defence - do it on a defence thread. I've told you we pay more in than we get out on defence and if we didn't buy nukes we would have even more available for conventional defence.

It's not rocket science is it.

354

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 21:27:12
360, Wee Girlie,

Of course defence is important.

That doesn't mean it's necessary to deny the people of Scotland from running Scotland.

No, one of the reasons they deny us is because they've squandered a vast amount of money on offence and require Scotland's assets because London has created a mountain of Everest proportion of debt and we are to have our assets taken off us to pay the debt they caused with their absolutely reckless, cretinous behaviour.
355

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/11/2009 21:28:28
Anyway I'm off now, clearly no one can ride to the defence of Purcell and his spurious allegations. That's because they are mince.
356

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 21:30:47
369, Wee Girlie,

Aye, corruption including vote rigging AND some links to some people jailed for vote rigging, just as you asked.

Anything else?
357

Donkey Hote,

03/11/2009 21:37:25
Fitba Krazy, # 371

These are particular cases and people were convicted, you extend from that, what?
Should the whole electoral system be annulled because 3 people were caught committing crimes? Who should we hand the election to under these circumstances?
358

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:38:57
-377

Yes, the thread is about Garl.

So why is you offer comment on the BNP which is also nothing to do with the thread?


359

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 21:40:00
Wee Girlie,

Here is a couple more.

http://newsattic.com/d/hl/glasgow_council_workers_highlight_corruption_aaa0.html

http://www.scotland.com/forums/scottish-politics/26278-glasgow-labour-corruption-exposed.html
360

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:41:49
-379

And that's EXACTLY the same stunt you pulled on SU.
361

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 21:43:04
Donkey Hote,

I was responding to requests made by Wee Girlie,

Now what was that about Glasgow Council?

362

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 21:47:01
-380
-383

Yes, in actual fact there is.

You gave the distinct impression there was mass corruption in Glasgow, yet haven't supplied the necessary documentation that should start an earthquake of unparalelled proportions in Scottish politics.

Can you provide some update on when the mass police investigation into Glasgow CC takes place?
363

mark mccann,

03/11/2009 21:50:34
Wee Girlie, your back! Judging by your last couple of posts you seem concerned about our defensive capabilities, from that I assume you accept that we could indeed be a successful, independent nation.
Let me put your mind at rest, there are many large American oil companies who are extracting our oil under license, if your going to attack Scotland, your gonna mess with the worlds only super power. Also have you seen Saudi Arabia's Defence force? Even Yemen has a formidable force, you keep forgetting that elephant in the room, OIL. It would pay for a very capable navy and airforce.
364

Fitba Krazy,

03/11/2009 21:50:52
386, Wee Girlie,

Are you suggesting a J.P. is lying?

Byeeee. Time up.
365

Mssy G,

03/11/2009 22:02:34
373 Liberty Bodice,


We have troops fighting in other countries to help secure democracy, yet look at what is happening here.


It's heartbreaking!


I really do hope the People of Glasgow do not fall for all the spin or Sara Browns little phone calls.


If they only new!


Thanks very much for all the links.


366

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 22:23:34
-387

No, you haven't put my mind at rest. Normally, stats abound from you cyberNats, yet one simple question, the question YOU requested, is clearly too difficult.

Oh the nusings!! How can a country run itself as an independEnt nation when it can't be trusted to put together a coherent defence policy?

367

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 22:24:46
-388

Library must be closing.
368

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 22:30:52
-389

Since when did the SNP care about the men and women who serve under the "Butcher's Apron"?

369

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 22:32:02
#390 WeeGirlie

Tell us who we have to defend ourselves from and I will tell you how I would conduct that defence.
370

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2009 22:39:01
I just watched the GARL video on Youtube. It was enlightening and showed all the benefits of the link. I realise it was not there to be balanced but it gave me an impression of what was proposed.

In response I would comment.

(1)It does not explain how many travellers would wish to use Central Staion as a start point. I imagine those staying in hotels in central Glasgow would take a taxi to the station, but would most travellers wish to head to the centre of a busy city only to head out again. How frequently would it run. It might be quick from Central to the Airport but you still have to find your way to Central Station.
(2) What is wrong with the existing Gilmour Street link as the GARL was stopping there any way.
(3) How much was the final spur going to cost with its bridge across the motorway and viaduct across the playing fields? I guess that is where the bulk of the money would go. These would always be required.
(4) From GoogleEarth I see that the Airport is a single runway, with little scope for expansion, and that the area around is built up with industrial and residential property.
(5) I fear that the politicians in Glasgow realise that the airport is not fit for purpose in the long term and would want GARL to secure its future. I think GARL is the kind of infrastructure you would find only to a major International hub airport like Amsterdam or Heathrow. It is over-the-top for a "provincial" airport. A proper review of Scotland's airport requirements is needed. A major International Airport utilising existing rail links to the east of Glasgow serving the whole of central Scotland and a hub for all the other Scottish airports might be a better solution.
371

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 22:48:46
#394 Huntly loon

Just how far would your average joe want to walk carrying a suitcase?

I reckon anyone who was outwith fully loaded walking distance of Central Station, ie more or less everybody...would have to take a taxi or get a lift, so why get it to a train station when you could just go straight to the airport?
372

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2009 22:55:42
395 The Col. of Monte Cristo. I agree with you entirely. If you have got in a taxi you will want to go direct to the airport, not fight the congestion to the city centre then rely on a train journey out to the airport, with the additional cost of train fares and train times. This is a white elephant of a project when logic kicks in.
373

WeeGirlie,

03/11/2009 22:56:42
-393

Nice try. It's the SNP's angle I'm looking to see, to be persuaded of.

Good to see someone step up to the plate. Looks like a suicide mission, but Hell, give it a go!!
374

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 22:58:58
#395 cont...

As for people outwith Glasgow, even if their local train station connected to Glasgow Central, which in most cases it doesn't.

Train travel is horrendously expensive and for longer distances the service is infrequent, unless you are travelling alone; getting a lift, a taxi or driving your own car makes more sense.

Bear in mind you would have to get to and from your local train station as well somehow.
375

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 03/11/2009 23:10:52
#398 The Col. It would be of service only to a very limited customer - tourists and business people heading for central Glasgow. It would not be a practical solution for most Glaswegians going to holiday destinations abroad. The cost of the train fare for a family would be greater than that of a taxi straight to the airport.

There are far more useful infrastructure projects that could be had for the money that would benefit far more people.
376

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 23:28:19
#399 Huntly loon

That's the way I see it too, If the money is available fine but in the current circumstances it would be insane to go ahead with this at the expense of just about anything.

I have looked into train travel to both Manchester and Stanstead Airports, in both cases the cost an time factor, against car+parking or connecting flights made it a non starter.

I confess to getting the train from Rome(city centre) to the Airport and yes it was a big boon but the Airport is more than 20 miles away and although our hotel was less than a mile from the train station, we still got a taxi to the train station.
377

Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 03/11/2009 23:35:45
#394Huntly loon, Aberdeenshire 03/11/2009 22:39:01

(4) From GoogleEarth I see that the Airport is a single runway, with little scope for expansion, and that the area around is built up with industrial and residential property.
(5) I fear that the politicians in Glasgow realise that the airport is not fit for purpose in the long term and would want GARL to secure its future. I think GARL is the kind of infrastructure you would find only to a major International hub airport like Amsterdam or Heathrow. It is over-the-top for a "provincial" airport. A proper review of Scotland's airport requirements is needed. A major International Airport utilising existing rail links to the east of Glasgow serving the whole of central Scotland and a hub for all the other Scottish airports might be a better solution.
____________________________________________

I am sorry that I am unable to answer your other questions the Garl does not reduce any deaths on Scotland's roads. If the Glasgow councilors were interested in getting passengers from the centre of the city o the Planes then they should recognise that frequent trains run from Central Station right into Glasgow Prestwick Airport.

This GARL project appears to be nothing more than a badge of Prestige for certain members of the corrupt council. I hope Glasgow continues to return less and less of then at each election. Poverty and Organised-crime are far greater threats to the people of Glasgow than reducing M8 traffic.
378

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 23:36:21
Come to think of it...The last time I was at Standtead (which has a train station).

We got flights down the night before(from Prestwick), two weeks car parking at the Airport, stayed overnight in a travel lodge, had breakfast then a taxi to the airport.

All for less than the price of the train fare from Falkirk.
379

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

03/11/2009 23:43:57
#402 Cont...And all in £90 x 6 cheaper than flying from Glasgow which was marginally cheaper than Edinburgh
380

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 04/11/2009 00:05:40
It looks that GARL was really a Commonwealth Games adjunct to serve a 3 week window in 2014. Shuttlebuses would still have been required to the Athletes' village from wherever they had arrived. Glasgow, Prestwick and Edinburgh airports will all be fully utilised to accommodate this event. When there is need for a new Forth Crossing, upgrade of the A9, A96, the Aberdeen Relief Road, completion of Glasgow's road network,the Border's Rail line, then an airport link from Central Station to Abbotsinch seems of low priority.

As far as I see this is only a song-and-dance for Labour for the duration of the Glasgow North East by-election. I guess the electors there have bigger things to concern them than a 16 minute train trip from the southside of the city to the airport.
381

mark mccann,

04/11/2009 00:35:57
Wee Girlie, your talk of defence is typical of the scaremongering that all unionists resort to when they realise that they actually don't have an argument.

Let's assume though just for your worried mind that once we are independent we suddenly become a target for invasion. From where? From who? England, starved of energy? Norway? The U.S.? I do know that we certainly won't be a target for terrorism as our soldiers won't be fighting unnecessary and pointless wars. If anyone actually decides to invade us I'm sure the international community would have something to say. This is a pointless discussion though, you haven't answered any of the points I asked you and you come out with this, I'm disappointed Wee Girlie. You hide behind your fear and ignorance because I bet deep down, you know the nationalist argument is bulletproof. Your just too stubborn or bigoted to admit it.
382

peter1958,

Glasgow 04/11/2009 14:32:15
Strange, strange noises coming from the nats. They know full well they broke promises - again - and are currently doing policy cartwheels to try and justify themselves.

Here's a fine example:

Jamie Hepburn MSP:
Response to Transport Scotland Consultation on Initiatives Related to the Scotrail Franchise Extension
November 2008

Q23 – What additional services or projects in furtherance of the Commonwealth Games Bid commitments do you feel would most benefit the city during the Games period?
The Glasgow Crossrail and East End Extension are of importance not just for 2014 but for the whole Central Scotland region.
Jamie Hepburn MSP
30th November 2008

Yet an airport link to the international community is expendable?

I think not!

Face up to it - you had a good snigger when Purcell fronted the £33m for the M74 extension and had no intention whatsoever of completing GARL - all the noise from the Transport Secretary was just that - noise!

The SNP are a disgrace to Glasgow and they know it.
383

Belter 3,

tranent 04/11/2009 14:53:27
attacking the SNP is constant from this paper and all things Scottish. The article about the irelevance of Gaelic for example is the arrogance and ignorance of these Unionist papers.Being the capital city of this nation with only the Scotsman and the Evening News to edit the news is a clear breach of ethics and is disloyal.The Irish or the Welsh or any other country on this earth would not put up to it.The Scottish government gets limited press and what we get is hostile.This must be refered to the European Parliament for comment the sooner the better.
Any language as long as it is English is okay. For example our golf being ripped apart by Bonka Shots and the missing out of the R AS IN PA, CA, TA should be banned so that people around the world can understand what is being said

 

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