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Inside Holyrood - Swinney could cross MSPs over new Forth bridge



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Published Date: 08 September 2008
ONE thing we have learnt from the United States in the past few weeks is that bridges can make or break political reputations. In the case of Sarah Palin, her decision to cancel a "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska is said to have won her the Republican nomination for vice-president.
Back at home this week the fate of another bridge – which everybody bar the Greens and environmentalist friends want – will be thrust into the heart of the political battleground at Holyrood. The second Forth Road Bridge is the most important infr
astructure project in Scotland and its economy and the SNP's reputation for government will be made or broken on its success in delivering it.

For those who may have forgotten, the existing crossing is perilously close to being declared unsafe and traffic restrictions could be required as early 2013, which offers little time to build a replacement. The issue is not really whether it should be built but how, when and at what cost.

Enter John Swinney, Holyrood's Mr Formidable, with his less than formidable Scottish Futures Trust (SFT). The SFT, originally meant to be a bond issue but now a politically correct version of the private finance initiatives (PFI) that were so derided by the SNP, will partly pay for the bridge.

On Wednesday Mr Swinney will make a statement to parliament regarding setting up an arm's-length SFT company, chaired by himself, and other details which may include projects to be funded through SFT.

But the action is really set to begin on Tuesday when he will appear before the Transport and Climate Change Committee, chaired by bridge opponent, Green MSP Patrick Harvie.

Mr Swinney will be asked why the new bridge is, at £4.2 billion, expected to cost about £800 million more than a much longer bridge announced to cross the Baltic Sea between Denmark and Germany.

But then he will face perhaps trickier questions on financing. Mr Swinney has made it clear that its preferred method is a form of PFI known as "not-for-profit distribution".

This means that the profit is agreed and capped up front – in contrast to the more flexible rates available from other forms of PFIs based on risk.

But estimates suggest that Mr Swinney's preferred financing could at least double and possibly end up being ten times the £4.2 billion estimate over a 20-year period. There will also be the issue of whether, with such a risky project, consortiums will come forward under Mr Swinney's terms.





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  • Last Updated: 08 September 2008 3:44 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Incandescent,

08/09/2008 16:42:06
Sigh. Cue D Napier, who seems to make 99% of his posts on bridge-related stories.
2

Incandescent,

08/09/2008 16:46:45
Hang on! I just noticed the following:

"another bridge – which everybody bar the Greens and environmentalist friends want"

First, it should be "wants" and, secondly, who the dickens do you think you are, Mr Maddox, to presume to speak for "everybody" (and get it so wrong). Evidently you haven't been reading much of the debate over the proposed new bridge.
3

The Spook in Leith,

08/09/2008 16:59:17
ONE thing we have learnt from the United States in the past few weeks er is that Russia put the boot into them.
4

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 08/09/2008 17:10:07
Mr Maddox with yet another article with it's could's and maybe's

Facts would be nice for a change, remember them David?
5

danielrober,

08/09/2008 18:46:41
I really swing from laughter to tears over this one. Really the world has gone nuts or at least engineering purchases by the SNP have.

But you know what. If i was an engineering firm and these guys wanted to spend £4.2 billion i'd help them spend it. It would set up any company for the next 50 years.

I can get some gold plate if you want or how about some shinny aluminum, polish up a treat mate (and welding would be really expenisve) - quality.
6

walter,

08/09/2008 20:20:08
Managing director of Balfour Beatty Capital Ian Rylatt said: "Just because it's called a not-for-profit scheme doesn't mean you can't make money.
Traditional PFI schemes are financed 90 per cent from debt and 10 per cent from equity. Contractors then make a margin on the dividends.
Not-for-profit schemes are financed in the same way but the funding which makes up the majority of the equity carries a much higher margin. This, instead of the dividends, is where the contractor makes its return.
Mr Rylatt said: "We can make just as much money from them and we have no qualms at all about the not-for-profit structure being adopted across more PFI."
7

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 08/09/2008 21:38:33
the cost is puzzling. Perhaps the SNP should talk to the Danes and invite them to build the new Forth Bridge. I bet they could do it cheaper!

Also, if the kept the tolls on the old one, they could be used to offset the cost of the new one from day one. That's what happened with the QE 2 bridge at thurrock.
8

Darien,

Panama 08/09/2008 21:58:32
"Mr Swinney will be asked why the new bridge is, at £4.2 billion, expected to cost about £800 million more than a much longer bridge announced to cross the Baltic Sea between Denmark and Germany."

The cost is high because so far only UK firms have been asked to estimate. Big mistake that. We need to open up the tender to more competitive international bids. As for financing, anything would be better than PFI.
9

truthsleuth,

08/09/2008 22:02:40
Let it be a not for profit private company then no one can complain.
It could be financed by the motorists who use it buying shares for which they would recive a discount (or even free) toll use.
Those who support the bridge would be able to prove their point about the demand for the bridge.

I await the rhe rush to set up this company from all the petrolheads and SNP MSPs who will of course become directors of the company.

One note of caution.
The M6 Toll in the English midlands cost approx £400million to build

Typical Charges are £2.50 for a car and £8 for LGV.
perhaps the bridge promoters would like to tell us what they esimate the tolls they will charge to break even.

The Company should charge Tolls for users At £4.2 billion
10

danielrober,

08/09/2008 22:17:54
# Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head

Sure Pal. That's right its all a British conspiricy.

Pal you need to lighten up and look at the suppliers and designers.
11

danielrober,

08/09/2008 22:57:06
A few months ago one of the posters suggested an idea that might solve this problem.

He/she suggested that members of the engineering institutes should have to do public service, like jury duty, on these schemes. The engineers would get expenses, the politicans would get fair advice and the public would not have an extravagant tax bill.

I think that's a good idea, after all this situation needs to change. I'll do my duty because things really have to change, that idea was great.
12

The Tin Man,

09/09/2008 08:59:46
If the cost of the bridge is not going to be a fixed sum, but profits are 'capped' (is that a percentage of cost, or a fixed sum?), does that include sub-contractors?

I wish politicians would stop such utterly nonsensical terms as 'not for profit'. I guess they must have read '1984'.
13

PaulW,

Borders 09/09/2008 10:23:11
#6 Your link actually says it all. It comes down to one being a finger in the wind costing and the other being properly costed, i.e.:

"A final recommendation will be considered by Cabinet in the Summer (2007), following submission of the final reports from Transport Scotland.
Today Transport Minister Tavish Scott was able to confirm:
•a replacement crossing is required (duh!)
•that three corridors for the location have been identified
•the crossing will be either a bridge or a tunnel (double duh! – it was never going to be an escalator was it)
Mr Scott said:
"The scale of the crossing, which will cost at least £1 billion, will be the biggest construction project since devolution. Cabinet is clear doing nothing is not an option given the importance of this crossing to the Scottish economy and the people of Fife.
The key text is the last bit of the following paragraph:
"Cabinet agreed today to take forward the replacement crossing. Work will continue to assist a final decision which will be made this summer on where the crossing will be, what it will be, and how much it will cost."
It had NOT been costed. Early talk of £400 million was well off the mark and took no account of the condition of the seabed in the Firth of Forth (not ideal by any means) or the actual type of bridge or tunnel to be conducted. Tavish Scott’s estimate was mere finger in the wind stuff. It didn’t take account of the likelihood of high construction cost inflation, which untyil recently had cost around 9-10% per annum for several years. It did not take account of “optimism bias” in terms of cost or delivery slippage, nor did it take account of the cost of finance. It was basically the kind of figure that could be plucked from the air.

 

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