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Invading grey squirrels face mass cull in drive to save native reds



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Published Date: 19 July 2008
THE battlelines have been drawn and the war is about to start to protect one of Scotland's most threatened native animals – the red squirrel.
Armed with traps and air rifles, a team of nine squirrel protection officers will set to work in the Borders, supported, they hope, by members of the public.

Their aim will be to kill every grey squirrel in the south of Scotland within two years, to stop the animals spreading further north.

Grey squirrels, introduced from the United States, carry a pox deadly to the smaller native reds.

Next month, a telephone hotline will be set up as part of the Red Squirrels in South Scotland initiative, for the public to call when they spot a grey. Squirrel protection officers will deliver traps to gardens, remove grey squirrels caught and shoot them.

Hundreds of traps will also be set out in forests across southern Scotland.

The scheme has the backing of some of the biggest landowners in the region, including the Duke of Buccleuch.

It mirrors a similar project in Northumberland, which has seen more than 18,000 grey squirrels killed in the past 18 months.

Richard Williamson, of Red Squirrels in South Scotland, said: "We have reached crisis point in the south with the spread of squirrel pox, and the squirrel conservation groups decided there was a need to roll up our sleeves and deal with the causes. We have got a huge bank of goodwill in south Scotland and we want to galvanise that."

He added: "The red squirrel is an iconic species for Scotland, which is now one of the last strongholds in the UK.

"There's almost a moral obligation on the Scots to manage that iconic species for the nation."

But Ross Minnet, campaigns director for Advocates for Animals, said he was absolutely against killing grey squirrels.

"We think it's morally wrong to kill one species of squirrel for even the potential benefit of another species of squirrel," he said.

He said he did not think killing greys would save reds but, instead, the possibility of putting them on islands where they would be safe from infection should be explored.

"Grey squirrels are here to stay," he said. "All that killing them is doing is attempting to postpone the inevitable."

He added that grey squirrels have been demonised. "There is this image that the greys are 6ft tall and have huge teeth and go around ravaging the red squirrels," he said.

IN NUMBERS

10
Number of red squirrels killed by squirrel pox in Scotland.

5 million
Estimated number of grey squirrels in the UK.

120,000
Likely UK red squirrel numbers.

64
Percentage of people in a European Squirrel Initiative survey who supported use of a non-lethal control method to remove all grey squirrels from the UK.

75
Percentage of the UK's red squirrels that live in Scotland.

15
Number of days it takes a red squirrel with pox to die.

The full article contains 502 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 18 July 2008 9:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

JayDeeTee,

19/07/2008 00:20:59
This is a bit 'squirrelist'. Expect the PC brigade to start posting comments to this effect.
2

Guga II,

Rockall 19/07/2008 02:08:16
Obviously the Advocates for Animals cove doesn't realise that on the islands, it tends to be a helluva long way between trees.
3

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca 19/07/2008 04:53:13
We have a small park next to the building where I reside and as there are various bushes and old trees the Grey Squirrels and Red Squirrels co-habit in the area and several of the residents feed the Birds, Grey,and Red Squirrels...myself being one of them. I have been feeding these creatures for 4-years and though the Grey Squirrels far outnumber the Red Squirrels, the TWO Red Squirrels continue to live in semi-harmony with the Grey ones.
The Red Squirrels are tiny by comparison but they are quite fiesty, not putting up with any intended encroachment of the Grey's.
It seems such a shame to cull the Grey Squirrels who, if they carry this pox do so unwittingly, and as the article stated that the Red's die within fifteen days of getting infected with that deadly pox. Is there no chance to find out if there is something that could kill the pox without killing the Grey Squirrel? It seems rather heartless to me to cull the Grey's when nothing seems to have been done to find a cure, apart from killing them. Why is killing always so darned easy for people? Canada has their problems with Harp Seal Pups, another easy kill for 'Big Brave Men' who blame the pups because there's no fish, yet we all know why there's no fish...Over-fishing.
If anyone comes to our 'wee patch' armed with an airgun or whatever and tries to cull any Squirrel, we will do everything in our power to stop them!
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©


4

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 19/07/2008 05:17:45
(Addenda to #3)
"If anyone comes to our 'wee patch' armed with an airgun or whatever and tries to cull any Squirrel, we will do everything in our power to stop them!"

Staying within the law of the land, of course.

We also feed the birds, which for the most part are Common House-Sparrows, but recently, we have had some rough weather very high winds and torrential rain and we have found several species of Finches feeding with our birds, including Chinese Finches. Identified by one fellow who had a 'Book of European and Asian Birds.'
Should they also be culled because they are NOT Scottish?
I also feed a family of Common Crows, and Bluejays, and even more recently, One Peregrine Falcon, who when detected,eyeing up our small birds no doubt as Din-Din's, the Crows and Bluejays went after it and chased it out of our wee park, much to our relief.
Have a great weekend,
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
5

Melanie,

out oe'r yonder 19/07/2008 06:22:14
Well, there's always Granny's squirrel stew...

~ 3 squirrels, cleaned and cut up
~ 1/4 cup all purpose flour
~ 1 teaspoon salt
~ 1/2 teaspoon pepper
~ 2 slices bacon
~ 2 tablespoons butter
~ 5 cups of water
~ 1 - 28 oz can whole tomatoes
~ 1 chopped onion
~ 1 heaping tablespoon of brown sugar
~ 2 potatoes, peeled and cut into 1/2 inch cubes
~ 1 - 10 oz package frozen butter beans
~ 1 cup frozen corn
~ 3 tablespoons all purpose flour


Combine 1/4 cup flour, salt and pepper. Coat the squirrel pieces.

In a Dutch oven, combine bacon and butter over medium heat until butter melts. Add squirrel and brown.

Add water, tomatoes, onion and brown sugar and bring to boil. Reduce heat, cover and simmer for 1 1/2 to 2 hours, stirring occasionally.

Remove squirrel pieces and let cool. Remove meat from bones.

Add meat, potatoes, beans and corn to Dutch oven. Heat to boiling, reduce heat and cover. Simmer until potatoes are tender.

Mix 3 tablespoons of flour with 3 tablespoons of cold water, then stir into stew. Heat to boiling.

Cook over medium heat, stirring constantly, until thickened, bubbly.

Serve with warm rolls and enjoy!


6

Nomada,

19/07/2008 07:01:32
#3 - the Red Squirrel you have in Canada is Tamiasciurus hudsonicus, completely different from the Sciurus vulgaris which is the Scottish Red Squirrel. Further, the squirrels you have in Canada are native there - the Grey in Scotland is an alien escape with no part in the local ecology. The issue here is not Red v Grey, but a natural and balanced ecological community v one disrupted by yet another alien.

As for that one-trick-pony Ross Minnet, his grasp of the issues is even more tenuous than Gordy's grasp on No. 10.
7

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 07:29:50
My 87yr old mother delights to see, everyday, at the bird feeder, TWO red squirrels. She buys nuts especially for them, and they eat her out of house and home!

I would support any cull of grey tree rats.

Mother lives near Aviemore.
8

P Rayner.,

London 19/07/2008 07:36:01
Haggis MacBagpipes. A couple of years ago my garden was visited by a grey. He would sit WITH ME on my garden bench, completely relaxed, munching peanuts, for thirty minutes or so. Not only that, he would sit patiently on the kitchen step, waiting for food, but never entering. Such a marvellous, tame and intelligent animal. Never the less something must be done to protect the reds, perhaps THE PILL? Incidentally, your name indicates to me your Scottish origins! Most might not have detected this, but I am ofcourse very astute!
9

lodger,

Highland 19/07/2008 07:50:19
the pine martin is the biggest threat to reds in the highlands.
Do I hear anyone say that we should control them? No I didnt think so! Not PC! we dont have any reds left heresince they moved in.
The greys' tails make great material for fly tying.
10

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 19/07/2008 07:55:20
#8 P Rayner

Research is continuing in to finding a contraceptive for grey squirrels. This could then be placed in feeders that only greys could access. However, that is some years away, if ever. At present, culling the greys on the front line of their expansion into Scotland is necessary.
11

Nomada,

19/07/2008 08:16:39
Lodger #9 - You write 'the pine martin is the biggest threat to reds in the highlands'.

What is your evidence for that statement, which flies in the face of all informed opinion (of which you are clearly not part).

The Pine Marten is protected under UK and EU law and policy, and, unlike the Grey Squirrel, is a natural component of the Highland fauna, just as Golden Eagle, Osprey, Wild Cat, and many other predators which may occasionally eat other protected species. It is a wild community we are dealing with, not a collection of pets.
12

P Rayner.,

London 19/07/2008 08:22:00
Slioch. Down here pidgeons are fed some type of contraceptive so I can't imagine it would take years to develope a similar for greys. But I take your point regarding culling in the meantime. Greys can be ofcourse very destructive creatures of both flora and fauna.
13

Boy Wonder,

19/07/2008 08:53:05
The trouble with the American Grey is that it's over here, oversexed and ovetaking the native Red! To paraphrase Cato the Elder ... "Delenda Est Sciurus Carolinensis!!!"
14

Unimpressed one,

19/07/2008 08:57:33
Won't be long then before notices go up in Edinburgh botanic gardens prohibiting the feeding of squirrels.
15

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 19/07/2008 09:02:55
First the non Scottish squirrels, next the non Scottish humans? Let's hear it for all aliens returning/being returned home!
16

SouthernSkye,

19/07/2008 09:51:35
Shame WorstMinster Govt weren't willing to do the same with TB infected badgers !
17

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 19/07/2008 11:29:29
Back in the 1950's scientists tweaked a virus from an animal in South America and Myximatosis was born. It was intoduced into populations of rabbits in various parts of the world and they died off in their millions. I witnessed the result in GB, as kids we spent long summer days putting rabbits out of their misery. The flea is the carrier. In these days of genetic manipulation surely someone can brew up something that will kill grey squirrels rapidly without harming the reds? But then again, the disease might get to America! Forget it! Start up an airgun club instead!
18

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 19/07/2008 11:37:31
I suspect buzzards and goshawks are just as great a threat to red squirrels as are pine martens. The over exuberance of some self-styled 'conservationists' in encouraging these raptors is doing a great dis-service to a lot of threatened wild-life.
19

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19/07/2008 11:41:51
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20

Nomada,

19/07/2008 11:46:18
So, D-b #18, you 'suspect buzzards and goshawks are just as great a threat to red squirrels as are pine martens'.

By telling us that, we now know how little you know about the ecology, density and distribution of these birds in Scotland, and we can therefore readily discount your opinion on the matter.

Why not do a little research before you expose your ignorance to the world?
21

the reporter,

Godalming, Surrey. 19/07/2008 11:50:47
Plenty of grey squirrells hopping around in the Edinburgh botanical gardens, but no reds, would happlily feed red ones, but the only Red squirrells I have ever seen were two stuffed ones in a glass case in a pub near here.
Intrested in grannys receipe though !
22

JG,

Fife 19/07/2008 12:16:26
I think this a good idea. There are thousands of grey squirrels (or American tree rats), they DO kill our native ones and we should be trying to protect red squirrels before they are wiped out. Remember, when they're gone, they're gone.
23

Mallory,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 12:32:52
What - no protests about calls for a mass culling?

Now how about sorting out the badgers to reduce the spread of TB? Lets be consistent, if the red squirrels vanish it is due to natural selection.
24

Nomada,

19/07/2008 13:26:38
Mallory #18 asks 'how about sorting out the badgers to reduce the spread of TB?'.

The answer is that 'sorting out' (I assume culling) Badgers has been shown unequivocally to be a non-starter. Only the *ex* Chief Scientist and dairy farmers (who are hardly the most independent of sources) disagree.

He/she also says 'if the red squirrels vanish it is due to natural selection'. It is not. If it happened, it would be due to the failure of the human population - who are responsible for the release of the Greys - to take appropriate action: i.e. eliminate the Grey from the interface and stop their spread north into the Highlands, where the Grey is mercifully absent (bar a couple which are likely to have been taken north by pathologically misguided 'animal-lovers' from the same box as Ross Minett).
25

sam the god,

19/07/2008 15:01:47
Well I was doing my bit this morning giving the grey’s the good news the bodies were not wasted I gave them to the magpies in the larson traps they certainly enjoyed some fresh.
26

SouthernSkye,

19/07/2008 15:49:43
24 Nomada,
Whether or not Badgers contribute to the spread of TB, should not infected Badgers be culled for:
1 - Their own peace as it is not a pleasant way to die
2 - Remove the ill Badgers from the locale and leave the strong TB free Badgers to breed?

What I do find odd is that the Badger Trust state that Badgers do not spread TB but, at the same time, offer ways to keep badgers away from cattle. If they do not spread it, why bother offering advice? It just confuses the issue!
27

Nomada,

19/07/2008 16:11:41
26 S Skye - Q1 - If you are arguing that a reason to cull Badgers is that they have an unpleasant death, where do you stop? Most wild animals (and quite a lot of humans) have a thoroughly unpleasant death. It is a mad idea.

Q2 - Removing Badgers from an area provokes dispersal of those that remain, often compounding the problem.

The Badger Trust does not state that 'Badgers do not spread TB', but that cattle to cattle transmission is a far more important route. There is no inconsistency in their position. (Btw, for clarity, I am not a member of the BT or any another similar organisation.)
28

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 19/07/2008 16:30:52
Maybe the grey squirrels could adopt the same attitude as the American Airborne commander, when surrounded by German Panzer divisions said in WWII, when asked to surrender - "Nuts".
29

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 19/07/2008 17:10:42
#20 Nomada

So Nomada, no one knows as well as you? Don't bother to ask why I 'suspect' that those birds are just as responsible as pine martens for such damage to wildlife. Just slap down the opposition and steam-roller on! Why! you ought to be working for the RSPB!
So when I saw ten buzzards this spring, along a five mile stretch of road, where I USED to see red squirrels up to two years ago, I can take it that the buzzards are just eating voles and worms, can I? But there are few worms in the forest edge where the buzzards sit. There are no grey sqirrels in this area as yet so I suspect that they have not got squirrel pox virus around here. How about you coming up with a reason for the disappearance of the squirrels? Of course we could say that no traces of red squirrels have been found in buzzard pellets, so it can't be them. But that is the same argument that is used against game-keepers when they are accused of poisoning birds of prey "there is a vast area to search with little chance of finding anything". You can't have it both ways!
30

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 19/07/2008 17:19:21
#29

It is a known fact that sparrowhawks have attempted to take red squirrels, let alone buzzards and goshawks. It is on record that goshawk introduction into unoccupied areas of the United Kingdom has been taking place. Managing predation is required in sensitive areas, not carte blanche introductions!
31

Fifelass,

Scotland 19/07/2008 18:25:06
Grey squirrels come to our garden daily - they, along with the bird life, provide uplifting entertainment and much pleasure. They did not ask to be grey or to be here in Scotland, but here they are and I for one would hate to be asked to kill any of them. I would not presume to do God's work and kill any species in favour of another - enough humans do that as it is and I might add to other humans. We are not so pure that we can judge such matters. It will indeed be a shame if the red squirrels die out but the grey also has a right to life as does any of God's creatures.
32

Nomada,

19/07/2008 19:26:12
D-b, #29 & 30. If I could make any sense of your ramblings, I would attempt to respond. You would have been better advised just to leave things with your original post, rather rather than make it obvious that your detachment from reality is even more serious than I imagined.

#31 - There are plenty Grey Squirrels in N America, where they belong. They can have their right to life there. Your logic rather falls down when you say that you 'would not presume to ... kill any species in favour of another', as that is exactly what has been done by introducing the Grey to Britain. We might not be killing off the Reds with gins or guns, but we are in danger of doing that as surely through the agency of the Grey Squirrel.
33

celtic4,

USA 19/07/2008 20:06:39
I did not bring the grey squirrel to Scotland, but since it is there, and evidently harming the red squirrels, and you intend to kill them out, just do not kill them, give them to the poor to cook! Gray squirrels are tasty when fried and/or made into stew, and squirrel gravy can hardly be beat! It is good meat and when killed in season, free of anything that would harm humans. Don't waste good food.
34

Lanna,

19/07/2008 21:47:47
#33
see post #5

sorry, but I can't get past that it's a rodent :p
35

Beth Boyle,

Rural NY 20/07/2008 05:13:36
I have an iron squirrel cooker a blacksmith friend made me. I can have him make up a few thousand and ship them to scotland. He could use the business I am sure. Yummy roasted squirrel!
36

Angus,

Alexandria 20/07/2008 10:00:00
Grey squirrels

The ongoing campaign against grey squirrels is grossly unfair and doesn’t stack up factually.

Red squirrels are at the edge of their range in the UK, which stretches from here to China, and all mammals are subject to population fluctuations in these circumstances. If we want to assist the reds to survive we should be improving their habitat by planting trees in which they thrive, rather than wallpapering the countryside with native broadleaves that favour the greys’ expansion. We should also be reducing our own intrusion into their domain.

There is no evidence that greys are transmitting squirrel-pox virus (SQPV) to reds as the presence of antibodies in greys merely means they have been in contact with the disease, most probably by associating with reds or possibly other rodents that were already infected. The Forestry Commission have admitted that “no routine testing of live red squirrels is undertaken” and they “are not aware of any scientific evidence one way or another as to whether or not there is a resistant population of reds out there” so it is quite wrong for red squirrel groups to say that they have no immunity to the disease. Indeed, the population could well have been wiped out long ago if there were not some form of resistance present.

Early in the last century, out of forty-four districts in England where red squirrels had the disease only four districts had grey squirrels present. This suggests that SQPV has been within the red squirrel population for around a century at least and that grey squirrels are victims of a campaign of vilification. Some people even have the audacity to claim that SQPV somehow arrived around the time it was discovered in 1983 but that is about as ridiculous as claiming America didn’t exist before it was “discovered” by Leif Ericson.

The hate campaign against grey squirrels has reached such a pitch that red squirrel campaigners are prepared to ignore anything factual that doesn’t quite suit
37

Angus,

Alexandria 20/07/2008 10:00:52
Grey squirrels continued

The hate campaign against grey squirrels has reached such a pitch that red squirrel campaigners are prepared to ignore anything factual that doesn’t quite suit their agenda.

All squirrels born in this country are “native” by birth, just the same as we are, irrespective of our colour, background or success. To expect tolerance for our own population but condemn wildlife on the basis of its ancestral background is extremely hypocritical.

For the greys’ side of the story read “Professor Acorn’s” website on www.grey-squirrel.org.uk
38

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 20/07/2008 10:26:38
# Nomada

Your superior attitude is overwhelming! You obviously have an academic bent. As my logic on birds of prey defeats your intellect, let me try another facet. Badgers! If culling badgers spreads TB, why did the spread of the disease only start to really take off after full protection status was given to the animal? When, previously, farmers were allowed to reduce badger numbers, the disease was virtually unknown throughout much af the national herd, other than in relatively small pockets. Another 'ramble' has just entered my tiny mind! As badgers are mustelids do the rest of that family carry TB, including pine martens? I do hope the Ministry won't allow the translocation of those animals, on the grounds that they might be TB carriers! I wonder if grey squirrels have been tested? Pip! Pip!

 

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