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London's Olympics threaten to muscle in and force Fringe to change date



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Published Date: 06 September 2008
THE Edinburgh Festival Fringe may be forced to switch dates to avoid clashing with the London Olympics, the event's biggest promoter has warned.
William Burdett-Coutts, the artistic director of Assembly Theatre, said the move should be seriously considered because of the potential damage that could be done during the 2012 Games.

He said fears about the level of media coverage Edinburgh's
festivals may be able to attract was the main reason for considering a switch.

The London Games will be staged during the first two weeks of the festival season, starting on the opening weekend of the Edinburgh International Jazz and Blues Festival and finishing two days after the start of the Edinburgh International Festival.

However, the Olympics, which will run from 27 July to 12 August, will clash with the first nine days of the Fringe proper and several additional days of previews.

Mr Burdett-Coutts said: "

I think we have to give serious consideration to moving the dates of the Fringe. You only have to look at how much media coverage was devoted to the Olympics this year, and that is going to be hugely magnified in four years' time.

"Melbourne did exactly the same thing with its comedy festival when it hosted the Commonwealth Games, and it was a huge success.

"I can't see how we could move the entire Fringe back in the calendar, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem to move it forward a week, and it would bring it into line with the International Festival again. We need to come to some kind of decision as soon as possible."

Charlie Wood, the director of Underbelly, said: "The Olympics didn't have too much of an impact on audience numbers this year as they were being held through the night in China, but that's not going to be the case in four years' time.

"We noticed a big drop-off in numbers the last time the Games were held during the day in Athens. It could have a huge impact in 2012."

Anthony Alderson, artistic director at the Pleasance, said: "I'm not sure I'd be in favour of moving the dates. We should be looking at how to capitalise on the fact that the Olympics are on at the same time and start to work on potential marketing campaigns."

Jonathan Mills, the director of the Edinburgh International Festival, said organisers were in talks with agencies and sponsors in the hope of benefiting from the London Olympics.

"An important initiative was devised in Australia, whereby people visiting Sydney for the 2000 Olympics were encouraged to stay for one more night in Australia, in a place other than Sydney," he said. "This was of enormous economic benefit to the whole country, not just Sydney or New South Wales.

"We need to be really audacious and ambitious for Scotland to host a truly global series of summer festivals in 2012 in order to span both the Olympic and Paralympic Games."

Tim Hawkins, general manager of the Fringe, said they wanted to take advantage of the extra visitors who would be heading to the UK in 2012, and talks would be held with all interested parties to decide when that year's event should take place.

"We are looking into the impact the London Olympics will have on the Fringe and we want to involve all stakeholders in a wider discussion about when the Fringe should take place."

Mike Hart, founder-director of the Edinburgh International Jazz and Blues Festival, said: "Subject to pressure from the other festivals I think we'll just go along with our normal dates which vary slightly each year. However we'll be keeping a watching brief on what the others are planning and would probably go along with them."

Deidre Brock, the city council's culture leader, said: "We will support the Fringe to take whatever action they feel appropriate to stay successful."





The full article contains 661 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 06 September 2008 12:39 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 02:58:25

"London's Olympics threaten to muscle in and force Fringe to change date"

Dinny be Soo Stupid!

Even though this year we had a 'Fiasco' nothing but anyone can or could take this Brilliant time of year away from us!

The Edinburgh Festival, will not be affected by anything that goes on in London!

Least of all the, "Olympics" which will have no patch on the "Olympics" we all witnessed this year!

Edinburgh has 'NO' Worries on this one! It is all a nonsense!
2

lobout,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 05:53:59
I can't see why anyone would get confused between an arts festival, and a sporting event 400 miles away. Maybe some of these people at the olympics will see how bad London is, and decide to come up for the Festival instead.
3

donald,

glasgow 06/09/2008 07:52:25
According to Mr Dahling the London Olympics was being held for the benefit of the people of Scotland?
4

P I Staker,

06/09/2008 08:23:46
Should Mr Burdett-Coutts no be phoning up Boris Johnson and expecting him to move the Olympics, he wants everything else his way or not at all, why should the Olympics be any different?
5

MacGillicuddy,

06/09/2008 09:03:55
Another reason to cancel the Olympics then?
6

1745,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 09:13:12
Not everyone is a sports fanatic, it maybe even that Edinburgh will benefit in numbers from visitors who discover that London is not so great and prefer our fun and entertainment!!
7

1745,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 09:13:12
Not everyone is a sports fanatic, it maybe even that Edinburgh will benefit in numbers from visitors who discover that London is not so great and prefer our fun and entertainment!!
8

Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 09:17:56
Hardly surprising. Typically the talk amongst the admins is of money rather than culture.

Besides, the Fringe moved it's opening a week early a few years ago to suit London comedians and their agents. Culture is only incidental in the admin scheme of things.
9

Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 09:19:32
5 - the Embra Festival would be the ideal event to escape from the Olympic bore.
10

bluehead,

edinburgh 06/09/2008 10:00:20
oh dear!!what a shame,what's the world coming to? as far as i'm concerned they can stuff the Olympics where the monkey stuffs it's nuts,I doubt if any thing could be more boring,this pile should be barred foe ever,and spare us all that misery and wastage of TV time,
11

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 06/09/2008 10:05:57
I guess we are seeing the first signs of the arts folk at Edinburgh wanting some cash from the olymics. There is never as much of a boost to visitor numbers as they expect from the olymics - the greeks were disappointed. basically we are talking here about two different audiences.

I noted in this week's paper that london arts organizations want handouts to run the 'cultural' side of the olymics. Is it just me, have I missed the 'sporting' side of the Proms or the Edinburgh fesival?
12

Jofrad,

Cornwall UK 06/09/2008 10:12:14
It won't matter because Scotland will be an independent country by 2012 and will be able do exactly as she pleases. The English connection will severed forever.
13

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 10:57:11
The olympics happens once every four years and so if it interferes with the festival then so be it..London 2012 is going ahead and Edinburgh city council and the festival organisers will need to deal with it...
It is so exciting, olympics in Britain and the world cup in South Africa - so exciting
14

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 10:59:24
Jofrad

Ever wondered why California as one of the biggest independent markets in the world, has not opted for independence from the United States?

An independent Scotland you say? bwahahaha, what a fool you are.
15

King Richard IV,

Brisbane 06/09/2008 11:13:47
Cancel them both and wipe out third world hunger at the stroke of a pen! Selfish sods!
16

Weebeard,

Uphall 06/09/2008 11:15:03
We didn't change the fringe dates for the Olympics this year, so why do it for the next...
17

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 11:45:38
King Richard

When I go back to Edinburgh I often see beggers sitting in the street on George Street toward the East end or outside Waverley, I never offer them anything.
Because the more I give and the more you give the longer we keep that person sitting there idle.
Offer nothing and that old cliche comes into effect "nobody is going to look after you but yourself"

So whilst you may think that money will wipe out global hunger, it wont. Only a change in mindset within the hungry nations will change it.
Money will merely buy them a few more fish, but it wont teach them how to use a fishing rod.
18

bill-alba,

fife 06/09/2008 11:50:11
media...no I don't wonder what the people of California think about independence for their state..I presume as there is no independence movement that they are happy to be part of the united states...I however am not happy to be a colony of another country.
p.s. I hope you loose your job in South Africa and become poverty stricken.
19

MacGillicuddy,

06/09/2008 14:11:04
#18
No point in debating anything with the nutter in SA.
He is an admitted white supremacist, who claims a tenous connection with Scotland. When he is not beating up his house-boy he comes on here and spouts his fascist venom.
20

Jofrad,

Cornwall UK 06/09/2008 16:28:46
bill-alba please note well.

SCOTLAND IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A COLONY OF ENGLAND, THE UNION IS VOLUNTARY.
21

MacGillicuddy,

06/09/2008 17:43:54
#21
Bit it seems like a colony becaue we are treated as such. In what way is the pernicious unio voluntary?
22

MacGillicuddy,

06/09/2008 17:44:26
oops 21 refers tp #20
23

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 19:14:05
Macgillcuddy

You display childlike attributes and dispense the most ridiculously far fetched nonsense.

I am a proud Scotsman, I am also comfortable with Scotland's positions as a member of the union along with her other partners. I consider those partners as friends, not foes. Only a back stabbing cheat would treat their partner with such contempt.

A white supremacist you say! lol

Please, even you can dig deeper than that! And whilst I understand that you dont have much to work with, you must surely be able to source some sort of intelligent thought within than bottomless pit of resentment.

Scotland is a wonderful country and a proud member of the union.
24

Resolutions,

06/09/2008 22:23:54
#23 Scotland has every right to determine its own future and if that lies outwith a Union long since past its sell-by date, you will have to accept that.

As for this red herring re the Fringe and International Festival, which is an annual and well established event, and therefore should have priority over a very intermittant 'visitor' in the form of Games.

Besides, there are two 'general' elections before 2012 and another event, so 'Team GB', whatever that is, may not exist!
25

Col. Blimp­IV*,

06/09/2008 22:30:41
#23
Media 1

Be honest with yourself and ask...have I ever heard of an Englishman speaking to an English audience mention "The Union"?

Then ask...How can this be?

Then pour yourself a large whiskey and reach for the drawer you keep your revolver in...
26

Alan Reid,

NZ 06/09/2008 23:12:29
Media 1, Still ranting pure garbage I see. Have you looked how the SNP under Mr Salmond is doing? Have you seen the polls? And why is that, ask yourself.
27

Jofrad,

Cornwall UK 07/09/2008 09:58:46
The Union is voluntary because Scotland joined it by act of the Scottish Parliament and can leave it in the same manner.
28

JenJen,

WestIsBest 07/09/2008 10:45:38
This is yet another "never knowlingly underoffended" spin by the Scotsman, turning a perfectly ordinary situation into a massive insult to Scotland.

Nobody is "forcing" anyone to do anything, despite the tone of the headline. The impetus is coming entirely from the Festival, not from the olympics. Quote from Burdett-Coutts - "It shouldn't be too much of a problem". Once again, there is no story here, but one has been crafted in order to make Scotland look put-upon and offended - again.

I am sick and tired and ASHAMED of this endless whingeing and over-sensitive offence-taking, even where there isn't any. GROW UP.

 

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