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Masked protesters hike up pressure on Scientologists



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Published Date: 11 February 2008
DRESSED in black, sporting masks and handing out leaflets on a sunny Sunday morning, more than 30 people stand on an Edinburgh pavement protesting against the Church of Scientology in Scotland.
John is among them, a 29-year-old from Edinburgh who lifts up his grinning Guy Fawkes mask so he can explain why he's standing with complete strangers on the city's South Bridge with a flyer urging Scots not to "let a UFO cult take us back to the Middle Ages".

He has never been a fan of the Church of Scientology, based in Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence across the street, their only Scottish presence.

But he said the recent removal from YouTube of a video showing actor Tom Cruise "energetically" defending his faith concerned him as a web user.

John, who would not give his last name, said: "Scientology took the video down – it went back up of course. So this group decided we wanted our freedom of speech and we would organise protests against Scientology."

Why the mask?

"It's unlikely any one of us would be hounded, but in the past, critics have been hounded," said John.

Posters such as "Honk if you think Scientology is a cult" and "Knowledge is free" were just two of the signs waved at passing motorists and the Hubbard Academy from the narrow pavement. From the second-floor windows, the smiling bronze bust of Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard looked down on the rabble of campaigners.

But despite the healthy turnout of protesters such as John, the numbers pale in comparison with the 7,000 Scots boasted as members by the Edinburgh centre, 100,000 in the UK and more than eight million worldwide.

The Hubbard Academy is just one of 14 in the UK, including Birmingham, Manchester, Brighton, Plymouth, Hove, York, Eastbourne and Tunbridge Wells. There are two in London, including a new centre that opened in October 2006.

At the South Bridge centre, marked by a small owl painted above the door, there are weekly Sunday services, "to help you move past fears, anxiety and depression, and confidently face the future". You can also do a personality test at the Hubbard Academy, and there are "Living in a Toxic World" lectures every Tuesday evening.

But the Edinburgh campaigners, faces blackened, covered by scarves or Halloween masks, argued that the church's behaviour towards critics meant they needed to raise awareness in the wider public.

Websites ranging from Facebook to anti-sect site Operation Clambake coordinated the global "Project Chanology" protests yesterday in centres including London, Brighton, Leeds, Manchester and Dublin.

The Church of Scientology in the UK last night branded Sunday's protesters – who individually and collectively called themselves "Anonymous" – as "cyber-terrorists" who were themselves anti-free speech.

Scientology is almost as famous for its celebrity members as for its often questioned practices.

The church counts Hollywood stars John Travolta, Kirstie Alley and Juliette Lewis as members, as well as soul-legend Isaac Hayes, the musician Beck and even the voice of Bart Simpson, Nancy Cartwright.

According to Scientology's official online bookstore, for 5,000 (£3,700) you get the "ultimate package", including 473 lectures and 18 books. A "basic" package costing 3,000 consists of 18 books and 11 companion lectures. Some "kits" cost as little as £5.

One of the protesters, a 19-year-old student from Dunoon, said: "We are representing the public, opposing Scientology. They have tried to silence the web."

Another 19-year-old from Glasgow, sporting a white eye mask, said she was protesting the practices of Scientology, not the faith.

She said: "We are not attacking the beliefs per se.

"It is possible to attack their practices and the things that have happened as a result. I never realised how serious it was until the last couple of months.

"We just want to remain anonymous – we're afraid of their tactics."

It was the alleged tactics of Scientology that brought notoriety to BBC reporter John Sweeney last year when he "lost the plot" in a confrontation with a senior American organiser. He claimed that while investigating the group he was followed, shouted at, repeatedly called a bigot and had his hotel invaded late at night by camera-toting Scientologists.

In July 2007, a Russian court ordered a centre operated by the Scientology movement in St Petersburg to be shut down amid claims of unlicensed teaching and other activities.

In September, a Belgian prosecutor concluded Scientology was a "criminal organisation" and up to 12 people should be charged.

A spokesman for the Church of Scientology in the UK said: "'Anonymous' is a group of cyber-terrorists who hide their identities behind masks and computer anonymity. They are perpetrating religious hate crimes against Churches of Scientology.

"They initially justified their attacks by claiming that the Church's requests to some websites to remove a stolen video of an internal Church event somehow constituted an affront to free speech. In fact, the Church, as would any copyright owner, had simply sent routine notices that the video constituted a copyright violation.

"The group's alleged 'free speech' justification is belied by the fact that the video in question has been seen by millions. It is 'Anonymous' that has repeatedly attempted to suppress free speech through illegal assaults on Church websites.

"Quite obviously, this group is not just anti-Scientology, it is anti-freedom of religion and anti-free speech."

"The actions of 'Anonymous' will not interrupt the Church's normal activities serving its parishioners and the community, and the Church is working in co-ordination with the police to minimise the negative impact of this terrorist group."

Online last night, "Anonymous" insisted they were not a group of "super hackers", adding: "We want you to be aware of the very real dangers of Scientology. We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. We will be heard. Expect us."

'If you want to make a million, start your own religion'

L RON Hubbard, full name Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, was born in Nebraska in 1911.

Beyond that basic fact, much of the writer's life is still disputed, with vastly contrasting versions from Scientologists and anti-Scientology biographers.

He wrote many science fiction, fantasy, western and adventure stories, initially under pseudonyms.

In 1949, he started to promote his Dianetics self-improvement technique, publishing a book by the same name in 1950: it sold 150,000 copies in the first year.

The Church of Scientology was founded in 1953, describing itself as "the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life".

According to the church, the ultimate goal is to get the individual being (the "I", called Thetan) back to its native state of total freedom, thus gaining control over matter, energy, space, time, thoughts, form and life. This freed state is called "Operating Thetan".

Believers in Scientology say it offers "exact" methods of spiritual counselling, to help people achieve awareness of their spiritual existence. Through the process of "auditing", people can free themselves of specific traumatic incidents and prior transgressions, which restrict the person from reaching the state of "Clear", and, after that, the state of "Operating Thetan".

Members believe psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive.

Scientology keeps its texts secret until devotees have paid enough money to learn what they say. Some opponents claim the cost of completing all the courses can set an individual back $380,000 (£195,000). The church itself says the most expensive course it offers costs $33,932 (£17,430).

In the 1940s, Reader's Digest quoted Hubbard, then a sci-fi author, as saying: "If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion."

In 1982, Hubbard was estimated to be worth £100 million. He died in 1986.




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  • Last Updated: 10 February 2008 10:29 PM
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1

Scullion,

Canada 11/02/2008 00:15:12
You can hear the Christian and Moslem leaders say, "D'oh, and here we're giving our holy books away for free!"
An interesting circular argument is evolving here on the right to free speech. Each side seems to be saying that what the other side is saying should be muzzled.
Scientlogy is a nutter outfit though.
2

Johnonymous,

The Internet 11/02/2008 01:02:08
The numbers were more like 130 by 1pm, dropping to 60-odd by 2ish.

Scullion - this group, in common with most critics of Scientology, does not wish to "muzzle" Scientology, nor to attack the beliefs of its members. It is the practices of their "church" and leadership that must be comprehensively reformed. It is they who go after critics like no other religion, charge money to the extent of no other religion, and disconnect people from their families like no other religion.

You only have to google "Scientology" to get a grasp of the issue.
3

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11/02/2008 01:04:22
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4

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 11/02/2008 01:23:20
Muslim extremists are recruiting British muslims to kill non-muslim Britons. The Archbishop of Canterbury is appeasing the muslim community by pronouncing that sharia in Britain is 'inevitable'. The head of the Church of Scotland is supporting the Archbishop in his appeasement.

And this lot are spending a Sunday afternoon 'protesting' the presence of the church of the latter-day profiteers?

In the tradition of freedom of religion that's so well established in Scotland (yes, I'm laughing as I write that) I say, if you don't like the Scientologists then don't join them.
5

Canada,

Canada 11/02/2008 01:25:18
Modern man, or most modern people have a spiritual vacuum. Man being essentially a spiritual being, this vacuum is ripe for intrusion by any idiot cult, Jehovah's Witness, Scientologist. If you don't fill the vacuum with the right stuff, the wrong stuff is waiting to pounce. Wolves in sheeps' clothing.
6

Chris Jamieson,

London 11/02/2008 01:25:50
A very well written article.

Here in London there were 500+ protesters.

According to a recent article in the Economist, the intelligence agencies in Germany have the cult under surveillance. They have banned the label 'religion' and said it is a money making organisation.

The German goverment produce leaflets on how to deal with nutters. Scientologists are in the same bracket as extremist muslims and militant neo-nazis.

It makes my blood boil to think they are conning extremely vulnerable people from their earnings.

I urge anyone who wants to know more to take part in their 'free stress test'. They will invite you to watch one of their films. Watch it. I am shocked the police haven't arrested them for fraud. The movie actually shows a man who can't walk (crippled in an accident) being abused by doctors. He then reads one of the Scientology books called 'Dianetics' in his hostpital bed. Not only does this enable him to walk again, he is literally dancing on the furniture in his hospital room. I am not kidding.

7

somerferg,

oz 11/02/2008 01:50:26

#5 - oh well the other half of the human race will be okay . And by the way women are also essentially spiritual beings - just thought I would mention that.
8

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 03:24:23
The Church's membership data is crooked. The CoS does not ask that you convert, and has no membership rituals. Instead, what it does is keep a list of everyone who has every had anything to do with them, from taking a "stress test" or "personality test" to buying a book from their bookshop. This list of people is who they call members, even if they haven't been to the CoS buildings in several years or don't believe in scientologies teachings.

The stress test and personality tests are exactly the same thing, and they call them "Oxford" tests, even though they were designed by Hubbard. They aren't in any way scientific, and are designed so that even the "best" answers will still result in you scoring low somewhere (by the interpretation of the tester, who has no scientific training), and they will hard-sell courses to you at about £50 a shot. The testers get paid comission, so they really want you to buy the courses.

When taking the personality/stress test, you may be asked to hold two handles hooked up to and electronic meter. This is called an e-meter, and it is basically a very simple lie-detector. The e-meter is used in their Security Checks (SecChecks), a type of confession where an auditor (the person performing the SecCheck) asks a variety of questions, some of them from Scientology's cosmology, others more personal in nature. These questions are designed to route out people infiltrating the CoS, make people take the same courses again ("cramming") until they can pass the SecCheck, and crucially to gather personal and private information about members to be used against them should they decide to leave the church. Every answer in your confession is written down and filed away, waiting to ruin your life should you wish to speak out against the CoS.

For more information, visit:
xenu.net
xenutv.com
youtube.com/xenutv1

And of course, you should check out the other side of the story too:
http://www.scientology.org/
http://www.scientologyrel
9

donald,

glasgow 11/02/2008 04:46:13
Was Wendy waving her tambourine?
10

W Smith,

Middle East 11/02/2008 06:17:54
Did Scientologists attack Glasgow Airport(2007), Rome airport (1986) and Los Angeles airport(1999)?

Do they encourage marriage between cousins?

Do they stone women to death for adultery?

Do they behead people for 'apostacy'?

Do they carry out 'honour' killings?

If the answer to all the above questions is 'NO' then the Scientologists really are nuts then, eh Salmond?


11

Pilrig.,

Livingston 11/02/2008 06:21:21
"Cult", "Religion" - mere semantics.

"The man of independent mind, he looks and laughs at a' that !"
12

ananonymous,

11/02/2008 06:44:02
There are 6 petitions that British citizens and/or residents can sign in regard to scientology by going to the Downing Street website:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/StopNarconon/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scientologyno/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/-Scientology/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anti-scientology/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PoliceandCoS/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ScientologyNMW/#detail
13

JB2003,

11/02/2008 06:59:13
I'm against all forms of religion. People lampoon Scientology as lacking foundation and being promoted by high profile ego-maniacs but it's just the same with any religion.

Whose to say that factions of Christianity have the right answer or factions of Seikhs, Buddists, Taoists, Hindus or Shintos have the rights answers? The only correct answer is that we should learn to tolerate and respect each other and live in secular states.
14

Finnking,

Lempäälä 11/02/2008 07:37:52
For a wonderful explanation of this cash cow religion may I suggest South Park

http://www.scientomogy.com/southpark_scientology.php

Get rid of those Thetons!
15

paulr,

edinburgh 11/02/2008 08:27:04
Scientology, as with all other religions is a SCAM, a very successfull scam they openly tell you that you have to pay a fortune to be "Saved", L Ron Hubbard saw a way to make a lot of money for no outlay and he took it. Big name celebrity scientiologists, check for tax breaks...
16

Mcsnagpile,

11/02/2008 08:52:59
Religions in general prey on the weak, fearful, innocent, and gullible. Unscuplous people use it to control, intimidate, and abuse there faithful. In some countries religion is used as a form of police state. Even Communism was used as a form of oppressive religion.

Scientology just abuses to the Nth degree.

The Christian message is a good one but which colour trash bin does the rest go into-green, brown, or grey. Brown sounds good.

I did the personality test many years ago; of course they threw me out. They are only on the look out for stupid fat
17

Mcsnagpile,

11/02/2008 08:54:39
The last word is---- cats
18

JimC,

Kilmarnock 11/02/2008 08:56:41
#10 Smith,
I take then that you support this cult, and what has Alex Salmond got to do with the article? Please explain.
19

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 11/02/2008 09:06:28
Is that Tom Cruise with the glasses just next to the policeman?
20

mumonymous,

Glasgow 11/02/2008 09:42:03
I allowed my 14 year old son to attend this "demonstration" whilst counselling him that the best way to treat morons like this was to igore them. They're deserve no more attention than people who spend thousands on plastic surgery and botox. False security!!!!!
21

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 11/02/2008 09:50:53
OK. I'm a non-believer. I just happen to think that when I die, that's it, and my life will continue through my children, grandchildren and so on. I've nothing against religion, it obviously offers comfort to million of people across the globe, but any that offer financial comfort to their founders mst be questionable.
22

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 11/02/2008 10:09:38
When getting your "personality test" done, just ask how much the staff member is paid. If they give you the right answer you'll be asking why Wendy hasn't dubbed them "vulnerable two year olds".
23

Morbo,

11/02/2008 10:17:18
You can tell what The Scotsman thinks by allowing people to post their views. If this was about certain other religions then commenting wouldn't be enabled for fear of upsetting those of that faith.

It is pretty easy to ridicule Scientology but it's actually no more riddiculous than any other religion - they are all nonsense.
24

Gusto,

11/02/2008 10:32:46
11. Pilrig.
Darn it man, you took the words right out of my keyboard. I take it that they are not into "honest poverty" either...
25

Dancer,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 10:37:07
If the things they get up to were not so serious we could all have a good laugh. I note the Germans have the answer, outlaw them and prosecute any one spouting this SF nonsense. The idea of a personality test from some nutter on the bridges always makes me laugh. I wonder if before all the drunks and beggers in Hunter Square were moved any of them were asked if the wanted a personality test. Probely not as the course that would definetly be advised to take would be more than a years supply of Buckie. Sling them out.If the things they get up to were not so serious we could all have a good laugh. I note the Germans have the answer, outlaw them and prosecute any one spouting this SF nonsense. The idea of a personality test from some nutter on the bridges always makes me laugh. I wonder if before all the drunks and beggars in Hunter Square were moved any of them were asked if the wanted a personality test. Probably not as the course that would definitely be advised to take would be more than a year’s supply of Buckie. Sling them out.
26

Dancer,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 10:38:01
Oops, one spelt correct one not.
27

Al Pie Ed,

11/02/2008 10:38:15
It's easy to dismiss Scientology as yet another kooky 'religion'. Don't fall into that trap.

This is a dangerous cult that sees ANYONE who questions their activities as "Fair Game". If you are labeled Fair Game, you "may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed." - the words of L Ron Hubbard.

This is how Scientology weasels its way into society. Those who stand up to it and expose their criminal methods are harrassed, sued, slandered, abused, and in extreme cases physically assaulted.

Scientology is now trying to get into schools here through their front organisation "Narconon", under cover of drugs prevention. Don't let them get away it.
28

WolfyRik,

11/02/2008 10:40:08
I'd liek to point out that nowhere in the uk has it been officially recognised as there being 100k scientologists. Quite the contrary, the last English census showed less than two thousand. The cult of scientology mssively inflates it's numbers by continuing to count people wo;ve left, people who never joined but have bought a book or course and people who have died. And then exaggerating that number. I think that reporters such as Tristan, while doing good work, should check their facts and not help scientology by idly passing on their propaganda. Otherwise it's a very good article.
29

Slasher McGurk,

11/02/2008 10:56:17
I dont understand what all the fuss is about. Only the weak minded get drawn into this sort of rubbish. Maybe people should be protesting against religions in general. I dont get why people care so much, can they not just get on with their own lifes and leave people to get on with theirs.

feck it, i dont give a stuff
30

Tom Kaneko,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 10:59:35
I would like to point out how the protesters are certainly not anti-religion like some people have made clear in these comments. The "Anonymous" protest specifically at Scientology's abhorrent behaviour and crimes - the fact that Scientology claims to be a religion is irrelevant, apart from the unfortunate fact that they use this to label any criticism as religious hatred.

There is a "christian anonymous" message posted on YouTube, which makes clear the distance and conflict between the Church of Scientology and other religions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhB2e_hjA

People with a different faith are harmless, but when that faith is a front to serious crimes and fraud, it must be confronted.
31

Auchraw2,

France 11/02/2008 11:03:06
1. According to the last Census in 2001 there were 1,780 (one thousand seven hundred and eighty) people in the UK who claimed to be Scientologists. The cult counts everyone who has ever entered their portals, multiplies by two and adds on a bit.
2. The Church of Scientology preys on lonely young people and subvert their view of the world by the same tactics used by the Nazis in the 1930s. They charge far more than they state: one man I know lost twenty thousand pounds in two years before he was rescued.
3. Those who break with Scientology are generally completely cured but of course have lost years of their lives and all their money.
32

F.R.E.E. Mason,

Brisbane,Australia. 11/02/2008 11:03:54
Bah, Humbug ! not a secret hand shake among em !
Would "L.Rons mum be known as "old mother hubbard"?
33

Martha,

11/02/2008 11:08:05
All you have to know about Tom Cruise is that he never finished high school, ran off to New York City in his mid-teens, and was suddenly catapulted into stardom by some random confluence of the planets or some such once-in-a-billion piece of luck. He cannot construct a simple English sentence, but he's the #2 man in the Scientology cult in America. Now, if you were looking for answers to deep philosophical questions, would you question Tom Cruise, or would you go to a biblical scholar, a rabbi, an Anglican or roman Catholic priest-- any of whom have made to effort to go through years of advanced learning and study, and personally hold a firm belief in a system of morality and behavior that has been worked out over millennia? Or maybe you could ask the Dalai Lama. He's a man of great spiritual power and wisdom. The unfortunates who gravitate to these Scientology-type cults are pathetic, but mainly they are lost souls who for whatever reason seize the easy answer and invariably adulate celebrities, no matter how uneducated or minimally intelligent those celebrities may be. And ANY cult (or religion) that uses force and threats against those who question it or criticise it must be viewed very seriously as, at the minimum, criminals who are depriving people of civil rights such as free speech. At their worst, like the jihadists, they become grave international security problems and end up murdering large numbers of people.
34

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11/02/2008 11:11:17
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situbusit,

11/02/2008 12:18:16
#27 Al Pie Ed

Care to cite your source?
36

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11/02/2008 12:27:41
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Doh,

11/02/2008 12:29:42


I think we will have to accept that in the future we will need to adopt Scientology laws in some communities in our country.

38

Al Pie Ed,

11/02/2008 12:31:20
#35 situbusit

Narconon: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2535187.html

"Fair Game": http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html

What happens when you dissent: http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/index.htm

Also, Google "Lisa McPherson".
39

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 11/02/2008 12:35:44
ALL alien religions should be banned from Britain. Druidry or nothing, please.
40

Lianachan,

Highlands 11/02/2008 12:51:27
Is Scientology recognised as a religion in this country? It's not a religion, it's just science fiction. And bad science fiction, at that.
41

Geoff,

sa 11/02/2008 12:57:13
1Scullion-Agree, Scientology is a"nutter outfit". And a sinister money grabbing one to boot! but as you say we get into this roundabout situation-democracy is all about freedom of speech and association even maybe to the point of tolerating those that oppose freedom! My intuition tells me that we shouldnt tolerate Fascists and Scientologists at all-we should banish them outright, but where do we draw the lines and who decides what is beyond the pale? the problem with tolerating those at the fringe is that they dont play the game to the same rules a we do-they burn the Reichstatd and jimmy the elections and murder the opposition. Can then people of Zimbabwe and burma and North korea ever escape their terrible situations.
Maybe we do need to draw some lines.
42

voltaire's janny,

11/02/2008 12:59:32
All religions.
All bad.
All of the time.
Think for yourselves.
43

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 13:12:41
What's all the fuss about? If people want to be scientologists let them. What harm are they causing? If you don't like scientology then the answer is simple---don't join them and don't attend any of their meetings.

You can dissect any religion and find things wrong with it---Christianity has been doing exactly what scientologists are doing for a couple of thousand years. Only some of their tactics differ. I do not see the same outcry against christianity.

Live and let live. that's what we need, not another stupid ban.
44

MatrixDweller,

Canada 11/02/2008 13:24:51
Scientology could be considered a cult, but then again so could any religion for that matter. Most of the Christian churches want you to tithe (10% or more) also so on the money front all religions have their hands out. If this was 200 years ago, the Christians would have the Scientologists burned for being withes and heretics. Of course that would be just eleminating competition the old fashioned way.
45

john z,

edinburgh 11/02/2008 13:50:16
Scientology is very, very dangerous. The reason? They do not come straight out and say what they are, instead, they suggest you might like a personality test, or suggest that if you are feeling stressed by modern life then they can help with counselling. It is truly deceptive, and has ruined many,many lives. It is a cult.

Do what I do, don't buy into anything by their celebrity brainwashees. See no films by Tom cruise or any other actors/musicians in this cult.

Just for the record, the reason why so few journalists write extensively about Scientology, is because they sue, sue, sue, big time for the slightest thing, they also harrass people, and their relatives, abusing the legal system of every country they operate in. Have a look at some of the films about them on youtube, and you'll see what wicked distorters of the truth they really are. Not nice people, and the sooner they get out of Scotland, the better.
46

john z,

edinburgh 11/02/2008 13:51:12
Number 42,

I couldn't agree more. Well said.
47

Roberta Burns,

11/02/2008 14:23:54
Scientology is a belief system - like religion, but it's not a religion.

I don't think Scotland should worry too much about them. I know we can be daft, but at least we're daft in a Scottish way. It's the yanks who swallow this stuff whole.

But, it is sinister when the wealthiest americans get involved. Then, I suppose living in the morally defunct hollywood environment, ufo's and thetons would be an attractive alternative.
48

Xena - Warrior Princess,

11/02/2008 14:45:59
It seems to smack a bit like the Masons... Tom Cruise, John Travolta and the rest who appear to get a helping hand when needed.
49

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 14:52:45
#45:

I wouldn't say that scientology is dangerous...

You can have a really good laugh winding them up by pretending you are interested and by getting them to spend hours interviewing you.

It's the old adage really. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
50

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/02/2008 14:53:10
Although Scientology may not be a "cult" it is an insidious force for coercion and brain-washing.

Any organisation that has as it members Tom Cruise (nutter and failing actor) and John Travolta (fabulous actor and aviator) must be a lure for the rich, famous, and notorious (Tom Cruise).

Cruise used to be such a good actor and he had the looks and physicality to bring off his many roles in his countless pictures.

It is sad to see such a former talent go down the tubes because of his wacky adherence to the spaced-out tenets of that pseudo-religion "Scientology".
51

dlady,

11/02/2008 16:00:14
#48 Excuse me, "Masons" as you call them are no where near in comparison to Scientology. "Masons" are a highly respected, very old fraternal order, not a religon or claiming to be(where I come from at least), they don't try and recruit or brain wash, you have to earn your way into/through the order in some cases be born into it.
52

Freedom of expression,

Leith 11/02/2008 16:01:34
All untrue. Scientology helps people. That's all folks. I bet no one who criticizes it has never actually looked for themselves at what it is.
53

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 16:29:43
#52 I have looked at it. I looked at both sides. I'm fairly confident that most scientologists really do believe that scientology helps people, and that what they as scientologists want to do is to help people. I'm also pretty confident that many, perhaps most of the low-level courses are actually pretty good. Hubbard said that every child should have a dictionary on his school desk, and that he should look up words in that distionary whenever he came across one he didn't know. It's all very sensible advice.

But what about "disconnect" (dropping contact with family members who are critical of the church)? What about telling those with serious medical problems to stop taking their medication? What about telling those with psychiatric problems to stop taking their medication? Who does that help? How does that help?

I'm interested in hearing scientology's answers to these, since that's not only what is fair, but what is right. Both critics and upholders should have the right to speak out in favour and against.
54

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 16:37:09
Hmmm, I was wondering when someone would try and defend Scientology.
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Xenudo,

Canada 11/02/2008 16:46:47
So many commenters seem to have missed the point.
The Feb 10 protests weren't so much about $cientology's belief systems as its practices that are affronts to free speech and decency.
The policy of "Fair Game." The censorship of criticism by legal and illegal bullying. "Operation Freakout" against Paulette Cooper. The continuous slandering of Arnie Lerma. The policy of "disconnect." The 1970s' "Operation Snow White" in the U.S.
These are all things that you could look into instead of adopting a lazy "all religions are equally bad" argument, or an equally lazy position that everyone has a right to religious choice so we should leave $cientology alone.
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Neil,

Glasgow 11/02/2008 16:47:09
"he's standing with complete strangers on the city's South Bridge with a flyer urging Scots not to "let a UFO cult take us back to the Middle Ages".

He has never been a fan of the Church of Scientology,"

Who would have thunk it.
I wonder how he feels about cults whose leader ascends under His own power rather than by UFO?
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Sanny,

Portugal 11/02/2008 16:49:19
Given that Scientology is a fake religion, created as a result of a bet, why do so many in the film industry join? Is it because living in a make believe world pre-conditions them to accept make believe religions. Of course one could make the same, make believe, claim of any religion. All of them are based on an irrational belief with a total absence of a factual or logical basis.

Perhaps we need a organisation that protects the rights and beliefs of we Agnostics, Atheists and other heretics. Let's have Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason" as our (un)holy book.
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davie b,

London 11/02/2008 16:51:55
It is widely reported that Hubbard was disliked by his peers and fellow authors (including EE Doc Smith, Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein) who regularly meet between the 50's and 70's at parties that were atteneding by the SF community, science luminaries, biologists and surgeons. At one of these events Hubbard is reputed to have espoused about something he had either done or beleived in and afterwards he was shunned by the SF community. There is reference to this in Heinleins 'Grumbles from the grave', amongst other sources.
Heinlien and Hubbard fell out spectacularly when Heinlein wrote 'Stranger in a Strange Land' which lampooned Hubbards invented religion... the summation being that freedom of speach is not an ethos that is relevant to the methodologies employed by Hubbards converts, and no matter how good an idea may be, do not let it get in the way of the acquisition of power. Grok?
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Media 1,

cape town 11/02/2008 17:44:03
Why protest, let those who want to be weird be weird. Like Tom Cruise for instance! Here is a guy who is without doubt very disturbed! He has come across some ancient science and he accepts it as truth! His mind has been easily manipulated, in fact, I bet Cruise is under some sort of hypnosis without actually knowing it. The poor lad is losing it, but its his right to lose! I say let the scientology people do their thing, its their drug, let them get high on it.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/02/2008 17:49:38
39 - mair control freakery
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/02/2008 17:51:32
47 "religion" "cult" . six and half a dozen really.

Anyway to sum it all up - "There's no business like show business !"
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/02/2008 17:57:01
55 - so we've not to have a right to religious (or non-religious) choice ?
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Calum Crubag,

11/02/2008 17:58:07
Fact is, ALL religions are equally ludicrous and dangerous. Most religouns adherents are themselves 'atheists' when is comes to opposing gods.

Stand back and look at this cac for what it is.

Ban all religious worship in schools.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/02/2008 18:02:45
60- well said. If someone wants to believe in a wee tin god, that's their right.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/02/2008 18:04:31
37 - : )
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Xenudo,

Canada 11/02/2008 18:21:58
Pilrig asks: "55 - so we've not to have a right to religious (or non-religious) choice ?"

ANSWER: No. Wherever did you get that? I said that people like you are taking the intellectually lazy route.

Are you being purposely obtuse?
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Legionnaire,

Series of Tubes 11/02/2008 18:42:40
To all of you who say, "What's the big deal, all religions are kooky, why go after the Church of Scientology?" my response is this: The Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), the CoS's very own prison/slave camps. Normally, I would simply post a link but you people have demonstrated so much apathy and ignorance I have no faith that any of you would take the ten minutes to click and read. So I'll summarize and quote for you, so you can see a hint of why Anonymous is fighting, and realize we're fighting for -you-.

In a study by Dr. Stephen Kent, a Professor in the Department of Sociology at the University of Alberta. In this study, Dr. Kent interviewed and obtained signed affidavits from a number of former Church members who had been sent to the RPF.

When a member of the Church's SeaOrg (their private pseudo-military/labor pool) exhibits "deviant" behavior, they're coerced and in some cases outright kidnapped and then 'reeducated' during their punishment in the RPF. The Church of Scientology would have you believe that entry into the RPF is completely voluntary. Indeed, members sign a waiver stating that their entry is voluntary, however as per Dr. Kent's report:

"For example, Dennis Erlich's experience in the RPF and the RPF's RPF at the Fort Harrison in late 1978 began with two "guards" arriving to escort him to the program. He did not resist them because "it was sort of implicit that [if] you wanna [sic] fight you're gonna [sic] get the s**t kicked out of you...." (Kent Interview with Erlich, 1997: 9)"

Another testimony:

"Former member David Mayo told a more dramatic story in his affidavit, insisting that "[o]n August 29, 1982, David Miscavige, and others, acting on the orders of L. Ron Hubbard, kidnapped me and subsequently kept me captive and physically and mentally abused me for six months" (Mayo, 1994: 2-3)."

Granted these are dramatic examples, many are merely intimidated, threatened, or manipulated into accepting their imprisonment, told that
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Legionnaire,

Series of Tubes 11/02/2008 18:44:06
if they do not comply they will be outcast from the Church, labeled an SP (Suppressive Person). And since members of SeaOrg sign a -billion- year contract, live in poorly renovated tenement buildings and hotels (in many cases 3-4 people per room), receive only 50 dollars a week as payment, and are encouraged to sever all ties with anyone outside the Church, leaving means ending up with no friends, no contacts in the outside world they're thrust into, and the looming threat of the Church's Fair Game policy. The Fair Game policy states that SPs can be tricked, lied to, deceived, sued and even killed. And they will be sued for the sparse room and board and the continuous audits and courses they're required to take. Labeled as freeloaders, the absurd billion year contract will be used to put them in the poorhouse, and all their friends still in the Church will be required to disconnect with them, even their spouses and children that are with the Church.

And if they happen to not respond to the brainwashing that happens in the RPF? Dr. Kent's study again provides a hint of what happens:

"When Nefertiti (which is the presumed former member's alias) found herself in the RPF's RPF in the same basement a decade or so later, she met a woman (she claims) who was "in her thirties, feverish, [her] entire body poured with sweat [and] was wearing chains. She had a chain about twenty inches long linking her two ankles so she had to do small hasty steps" (Nefertiti, 1997: 3). Tonya Burden swore, "under pains and penalties of perjury" (Burden, 1980: 12) that she "personally observed a person chained to pipes in the boiler room in the Fort Harrison building for a period of weeks" (Burden, 1980: 10). Likewise, in an affidavit, Hana Whitfield swore that, while she was on the RPF in the Fort Harrison, Lyn Froyland was assigned to the RPF's RPF and "was chained to a pipe down there [in the basement] for weeks, under guard. She was taken meals and allowed toilet breaks, but no other
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Legionnaire,

Series of Tubes 11/02/2008 18:45:14
hygiene" (Whitfield, 1994: 42)."

And another excerpt on the security measures in place at these "voluntary" RPF camps:

"The most extensive account of confinement comes from former member Andre Tabayoyon, who spoke about the Gilman Hot Springs base (on which RPF members worked) having a security system that included "the perimeter fence, the ultra razor barriers, the lighting of the perimeter fence, electronic monitors, the concealed microphones, the ground sensors, the motion sensors and hidden cameras which were installed all over the area--even outside the base" (Tabayoyon, 1994: 8). Tabayoyon spoke about working on the base's security system in 1991, but back in January, 1983, unwilling RPF victim Julie Mayo found her freedom blocked by a guarded fence at Gilman Hot Springs. Taking what may have been the only escape option she had, Julie Mayo waited one morning until the guard opened the gate to allow someone to walk across the street for breakfast, and slipped out to the road, unnoticed, before it closed (J. Mayo, 1996: 8-9). If Jesse Prince's account is accurate, then many of the Scientology staff at Hemet were armed, as were the guards for the Happy Valley RPF (Kent Interview with Prince, 1998: 49)."

Fort Harrison is where Lisa MacPherson and a number of others have died under questionable circumstances. The Florida town it's in, Clearwater, has become overrun and ultimately owned and controlled by the Church. What amounts to modern day concentration camps right here in the United States of America. Hidden in plain sight, even from the majority of the Church's own followers. The only way they can continue these atrocities is because of the apathy and selfish purposeful ignorance of others. Can you honestly say that there isn't a similar base in YOUR country? Since the majority of you who've posted here can't be bothered to click on a link to educate yourselves, how can any of you be sure? It's real easy to sit back and revel in ignorance, crack jokes
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Legionnaire,

Series of Tubes 11/02/2008 18:46:29
about Tom Cruise's quirkiness, laugh at the absurdity of Scientology's origin myth of Xenu and volcanoes. But reading the above, which of you are willing to laugh and continue to wallow in apathy?

I found Dr. Kent's report after less than thirty seconds of searching Google. This is only the tip of the iceberg of corruption and evil carried out by the Church's leaders. The further you dig, the more you come to realize that the Church's leaders ultimate goal is nothing short of world domination. I know how insane that sounds, how unbelievable such a thing is in our day and age, and that is exactly what the Church relies on for their plans to succeed. Their control of information is their greatest weapon, the way they keep their own adherents in the dark one of their greatest strengths. But they can't control the Internet. Knowledge is free here, we must take advantage of it before it's too late.

Educate yourselves, read Dr. Kent's full study here:

http://www.lermanet2.com/scientology/gulags/2CreationofRPF.htm#3

And read the story of Steve Keller and how he lost his children to the Church's disconnect policy:

http://www.ecentral.com/members/skeller/

We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
United as one,
Divided by zero.
And now we are expected.
Join us.
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Scot Anonymous,

Edinburgh 11/02/2008 19:02:43
The police count was 130 Protestors.
To those of you who think that people who disagree with Scientology should just stay away from it - we are not talking about a simple disagreement about their teachings. They are welcome to believe that the ghosts of long-dead aliens live inside them.

The problem is their awful, as in truly disgustingly immoral practices, perpetrated against both Scientology's own members and anyone who dares speak out against them. Please, anybody, before you make the mistake of labelling Scientology "harmless", spend 10 seconds googling "Lisa McPherson" or "project freakout", or "project snow white":

"This project included a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members; the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history..."
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11/02/2008 20:22:43
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CANUCK,

11/02/2008 21:29:29
#25

True we should take a page out of the Germans book - they know only too well what "nutters" can do to a people.
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Jed Zeppelin,

Dundee 11/02/2008 21:50:31
Join The Movementarians!

na na na na na na na na Leader!!!
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Yane,

11/02/2008 21:52:31
Will all the fuss will make them stronger?
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Sambo,

The deep south 11/02/2008 21:53:25
Why are we condoning Scientology when Rangers and Celtic are about to combat each other?
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Evia,

11/02/2008 22:12:14
A money-making concern that is out to screw the last penny out of people. These fraudsters should be banned.
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Legionnaire,

Series of Tubes 11/02/2008 22:38:11
Evia:

Those responsible for the crimes committed by the Church should absolutely (and will) face justice for their crimes. However, it is important to remember that the ones responsible are few in number. The number of actual members of the Church aren't that large. They inflate their membership numbers by ducking censuses, instead counting anyone who's bought a book, taken one of the "personality tests", attended a seminar or course on communication run by one of the Church's many fronts, and then double that number and add more to it. And while the rest of the world realizes it's all a bunch of hooey (I need to use hooey more often), they have their followers so cut off from the rest of the world that they just don't know any better.

It is imperative that the media and public understand that Anonymous does not stand against the religion or beliefs, but rather opposes the corrupt institution responsible for the human rights violations and malicious intentions for taking over the world.
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Pots,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 00:20:23
Anybody else p!!!ed off with the annoying video ad with the loud music which kicked in when logging on to this article?

Worse tham a pop up! Is the Scotsman now becoming as bad as a cult trying to brainwash its members?
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A.n.o.n.y.m.o.u.s,

London 12/02/2008 02:50:00
Apologies if any of this is being reiterated.

some points:

1: Anonymous doesn't just wear the masks to protect against scientology's counter attacks. It is also related to the origins of the group. This being that it is partly a joke of people posting anonymously on the internet. However in this case when criticising scientology it is especially practical to not reveal your identity. We laugh in their face, we have no face for them to laugh back with.

2: As for cyber-terrorists, well even governments DDOS sites and such so whether it is terrorism is highly debatable at best. People play pranks online and even perform illegal activities online all the time. While they might not be a member of the group anonymous it would be stupid to not act anonymously when breaking the law. Also scientology's request for removal of their video is unfair. Copyright is not there primarily for privacy or to prevent criticism but to prevent monetary loss by the action of reproducing another's works for profit. Posting their video online did fall within this definition. I'm not explaining the legality of it here but the morality and the actual intent behind the actions of either side. Scientology as far as I know isn't selling their movie to millions of people in the same way as hollywood is so their point is meaningless.

3: This point is related to point 2. Many claims against anonymous are false or unverified. For example a fox news report implies that an anonymous member was responsible for making bomb threats and got arrested. While there is some truth and there was an incident where someone posted a bomb plot and agencies took it serious; I have struggles very hard to find if this was orchestrated by anonymous and all I have managed to find is the threat was posted anonymously. There is no direct link that I can find to anonymous other than that the person involved used one of the same sites that anonymous uses and who would have guessed, didn't put in their real name.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/02/2008 06:17:18
67 - No, I'm not being obtuse, or maybe I am. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs but we agree that Scientology or any other belief system should be open to examination and criticism.
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Uncorked,

12/02/2008 09:51:07
Tom cruise is a retard.

Scientologists are retards who prey on retards.

Society has a duty to protect UK citizens who are retards.

Sorry Tom, you're on your own. Let's take a stance like Germany, they know only too well the pitfalls of letting these extremist nutter clubs grow in membership.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 16:45:08
Hubbard's original book 'Dianetics' is actually quite an interesting alternative approach to mental health and makes some useful points. He was obviously a clever guy in some ways, even though his SF books are completely unreadable drivel.

The later direction of his studies however sent him off the deep end and his gullible followers along with him. His new idea of 'the Church of Scientology' became a freak show with crazy beliefs about a war with human souls and alien souls.

It's nutty stuff but it hasn't really taken off here thankfully. I suspect most people who walk into their offices walk right back out again and never go back.

It wouldn't shock me if this mysterious new group attempting to shut them down were their own tiny membership trying to stir up interest!

They aren't powerful enough to persecute anyone over here so I find the supposed fear of reprisals a little theatrical.