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Published Date: 02 December 2008
ANTI-TERROR police hope to participate in role-reversal sessions with Muslims in an attempt to ease concerns about the "harassment" of Scottish Asians travelling through Glasgow Airport.

The away-days are designed to improve relations between police and the Muslim community and reach a common understanding about the need to question people at the airport.

The move, based on a pilot scheme south of the Border called Operation Ni
cole, is among a raft of proposals that the country's head of anti-terrorism will put to aggrieved Muslims, who say they are continually harassed by repeated interrogations when they arrive in Scotland from Pakistan.

Other steps drawn up by Assistant Chief Constable Allan Burnett include ensuring special branch officers at ports wear uniforms, the introduction of "behavioural detection" training to teach officers how to spot potential terrorists, visits to mosques to raise cultural awareness and a mentoring scheme for new special branch recruits.

The creation of a new body to maintain dialogue between police and the Muslim community will also be discussed.

But Mr Burnett says Muslims – and Scots in general – have become complacent about the terrorist threat, and he will demand that community leaders "get on board" with efforts to root out potential terrorists.

There has been growing unrest among Scottish Afghans and Pakistanis over the way innocent people have been singled out by police at Glasgow Airport.

In October, about 60 people took part in a protest against alleged "harassment" there. It is claimed travellers from Pakistan are frequently pulled aside and asked questions such as "Do you know where bin Laden is?" and "Do you know anyone in al-Qaeda?" during interrogations sometimes lasting several hours.

Many of those who joined the demonstration are expected to attend a meeting with Mr Burnett in Glasgow tonight. A similar meeting, which will include a round-table discussion about the terrorist threat faced by Scotland, will be held in Edinburgh later this month.

Mr Burnett told The Scotsman that police "can do better" when questioning people at the airport, understanding that support from the Muslim community is vital if Scotland is to defend itself against al-Qaeda-linked attacks.

But he stressed: "I will not agree to anything that will reduce security. We don't want to affect people's lives unduly. But people have to understand we are dealing with a very real terrorist threat."

The package of measures will, he hopes, "enhance security and ease passenger through-put" at the airport.

He said last week's deadly attacks in Mumbai highlighted the threat posed to cities in Scotland – and he attacked the "complacency" he said had set in among Scottish society since last year's alleged suicide bombing attempt at Glasgow Airport. "That could have been an absolute tragedy with many people killed. We were quickly distracted by the heroics of 'Smeato' and others. We were quick to go back on planes for our holidays, or go back on the London Underground," he said.

"There's something very good about that. But I think, unfortunately, the message about having to report suspicious parcels or people acting suspiciously to the police has been diminished."

He said he was determined to avoid the poor security and emergency response after the Mumbai attacks, which killed at least 174 people. "Listening to Indian CNN, it was all about authorities being caught with their pants down. It's my job to see we don't get caught with our pants down because of complacency," he said.

But Mr Burnett's proposals received a cool reception from Hanif Raja, chairman of the Pakistan Forum Scotland. "We are more concerned about al-Qaeda, and more protective of Scotland, than anyone. It is wrong to single us out on the basis of our religion. The police are being heavy-handed," he said.







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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2008 10:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

truthsleuth,

02/12/2008 00:19:16
If what looks like an elephant tramples your fellow beings to death you do not go out hunting tigers to find the elephant that did it.
2

Sam the man the snp Fear most,

02/12/2008 00:46:25
1# Well Said and very true, common sense is the best policy not stupid ideas from out of touch pen pushers.

Police are right to stop any muslim who is going back and fourth to Pakistan, every single terrorist attack by muslims has some connection to Pakistan.

I would bet money that there is many muslims who have claimed asylum here who have lied and said their life was in danger in Pakistan and have been granted asylum are going back and fourth again, this should not be allowed.

If they do not like our ways and the Police trying to protect British people(and doing in IMO doing a great job)go on a one way ticket and do not return here,,GO HOME.

3

Jock MacSprog,

02/12/2008 00:49:38
you couldnt make this stuff up really. We send 9 anti terrorist police offices in to arrest an MP and search his office and then we go around playing silly bu))ers with the real terrorists
4

the.ally ,

max. 02/12/2008 01:00:02
'Sam', there are some things I agree with you on, but there are others that are slightly outlandish; 'british'? Come on man, there's no 'british' on the St.Andrews cross.

allymax.

P,s. a blanket ban only precedes to what the enemy want; have you really thought this through?

Remember kennedy!
5

Allan(handofgod137),

02/12/2008 01:44:26
So does that mean we should beware of polis wearing rucksacks then? ( Particularly when traveling by tube?)
6

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 02/12/2008 01:49:22
Perhaps Muslims should be made to play role reversals with every other religion and ethnic group on the planet? After all they appear to be the only group who go around killing anybody and everybody else.A question for our hanky-wringing supporters of Islam at all costs: How many other religions on the planet at present, go to practically every corner of the world to indescriminately kill civilians in the name of their God?
The anti-US lobby of terrorist supporters are conspicuous by their abscence.Funny that!
7

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 02/12/2008 01:54:29
A friend of mine has just sent me an e-mail from Birmingham on the lady who was allowed by the DVLA to wear a full burka on her identification photograph for her license! That one small act, makes a mockery of the biometric Identity Cards and turns it into a ball of sn*t! How in the name of all that is sane and normal, can this sort of stupidity be inflicted on the inhabitants of the UK with monotonous regularity?
Police beating soldiers,
Burka wearing ID photographs,
Police and Muslim role play,
The UK is begging to become a Caliphate, Allah is indeed Great!So it will in future not be known as Great Britain, but Allah Britain!
8

Fifi la Bonbon,

Free Tibet and the Falun Gong! (Just being naughty 02/12/2008 02:21:23
Dragonhead, you can't have any part of your face covered in a UK driving licence photo. You can have you hair covered for religious reasons. Check with the DVLA website, which goes into great detail about this, rather than your dodgy mate in Brum.

I imagine that your Brummie friend doesn't know the diference between the headscarf now worn by many younger Muslim women observing hijab in the UK, and the burka, and I don't imagine that there are many women wearing hijab in Dalian so you can be forgiven your ignorance. You can't get a UK driving licence with a photo in which any part of the face is obscured - by hair, or a hat, or a scarf, or a veil.

The fact that you read something in an email from a friend - even one from Birmingham - doesn't make it true. Sometimes even people from Birmingham are ill-informed. And of course there's nothing more gullible than an expatriate who is out of touch with his homeland.

9

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/12/2008 02:33:01
It's good to talk. But I do think this idea of swapping "roles" is a bit silly. How would a special branch officer who isn't already Muslim pretend to be one?

If you've travelled here from Pakistan you must expect a few questions, and if you're an SNP councillor, you might need to expect that someone will check your pockets for AK-47 shells. This is because Pakistan is a violent country with a very weak state, and lots of people training to become martyrs.

Sorry, but it is. Fix Pakistan, and make it a bit like Belgium, or Botswana, and the problems will go away.

And I have to say I've never heard of the "Pakistan Forum Scotland" mentioned in your story. Is this another rent-a-quote creation of the SNP and Osama Saeed? Or something created for lazy reporters, like the Taxpayers' Alliance?
10

Black & White Triumph,

Greenhill Road....soon 02/12/2008 02:49:32
Instead of us trying to accomodate them (us the normal Romano christian UK citizens, ie the vast majority)them (muslims, mohamadens, islamists or whatever) they need to realise that we live in a pluralist world and if they do not approve of it then don't come here, stay where you are and if you are persecuted try and change your own country, do not come to this one and expect to be treated as a special case.

Good on the Police questioning all those tooing and frooing from Pakistan is only common sense.

11

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 02/12/2008 03:02:32
"It is claimed travellers from Pakistan are frequently pulled aside and asked questions such as "Do you know where bin Laden is?" and "Do you know anyone in al-Qaeda?" during interrogations sometimes lasting several hours."

Not particularly bright the Policeman they put on Airport duty.

Do they actually expect to get an intelligent answer to such stupid questions.

Q: "Do you know where bin Laden is?"
A: "Hes at my house, we are doing a flat swap. He is staying in my flat in Merchants City while I will be staying in Cave near the Khyber Pass."

Q: "Do you know anyone in al-Qaeda?"
A: " Yes, my uncle Tariq, who has agreed to act as my sponsor so I can attend the training camp."

It all reminds me of a time I was questioned at Glasgow airport about my trip to Thailand.

Q: "Are you carrying any drugs into Thailand?"
A: " No, I am going to buy my drugs there, its much cheaper."

12

One-man-bucket's older twin,

02/12/2008 03:05:21
The image conjured by the headline was for me a polis taking the imam's place in a mosque. Nurse!!!!!!!
13

Lanna,

02/12/2008 04:10:24
oh, that's right, it was North End's granny quilting club who crashed the jeep into the terminal.

unbelievable.

"...the best military policy is to attack strategies; the next to attack alliances; the next to attack soldiers..." (and maybe pc intimidation of anti-terror police? )
"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
14

W Smith,

Middle East 02/12/2008 05:17:43
Every time the muslims in Scotland express "anger" then our snivellinig police force, supported by the snivelling left-wing Labour and SNP, come running to see what is upsetting the poor wee souls.

The truth is the muslim community in Scotland have been given the red carpet treatment for too long and are being treated like spoilt brats!

The 'its-all-George-Bush's-fault' routine is wearing a bit thin.

So the muslim terrorist attacks on the Indian parliament in 2001 was in reponse to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, eh Salmond?

BTW
The jewish hostages in Mumbai were tortured before being executed.

I DON'T SUPPOSE THERE WILL BE ANY "ANGER" EXPRESSED FROM SCOTLAND'S MUSLIM COMMUNITY OVER THAT THEN,EH?
15

TM,

LA, USA 02/12/2008 05:52:38
As John McEnroe used to scream, "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS"!!!!!!!!!
16

yockel,

02/12/2008 06:19:43
While I agree with Dragonhead and even W Smith on this occasion that does not make this a bad idea. The reason we will never succeed in Afghanistan is the people in charge do not understand what it is they are up against. If this helps the police understand what they are dealing with then it is to be welcome. We have been pretty lucky with the police in Scotland so far, look at what the poor blighters in London have to put up with. The scary thing is Liebor gave the MET (along with the other English forces) the power to march in to Scotland and arrest us all, though there does remain doubt as to whether that gives them the right to shoot us.
17

viking nz,

new zealand 02/12/2008 06:59:50
this a great idea , maybe celtic fans can swop with rangers fans to see how it feels supporting celtic , lets see if the press can be more sensitive to our needs .
18

rik savage,

02/12/2008 07:32:16
Why do we have to constantly bend over backwards to appease the sensitivity of the Muslim minority. Correct me if I wrong but I can't remember at the height of the troubles, SB or members of the armed forces having to dress / act as Catholics or Protestants so they could empathise with their side of the argument!

No wonder people are turning to the BNP - the cast of Monty Python, Harry and Paul and Not the Nine O-Clock News combined could'nt come up with such utter bull@#$T
19

Louis Catorze,

02/12/2008 07:42:34
"..Come on man, there's no 'british' on the St.Andrews cross."

#4 seems to have unilaterally decalred independence. We're British don't you know!
20

sam the god,

02/12/2008 08:17:42
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
21

anna wells,

Scotland 02/12/2008 08:38:51
In their countries we would have to obide by their laws and cultures and get targeted. While we must keep a level of neutrality to keep our multi cultural society, the sensetivity policies are getting beyond a joke now. Theres something wrong when you're (almost getting to the stage that) you are being discriminated again for being white and British.

I agree with Rab the ranter!
22

anna wells,

02/12/2008 08:39:20
I also agree with sam the God
23

Griffe,

02/12/2008 09:17:03
Is this an April Fools joke? What next?
24

Mcsnagpile,

02/12/2008 09:19:44
As long as they do not swap Bacon roles.
25

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 02/12/2008 09:23:19
Why permit any further immigration of people from predominantly Muslim countries? Their visit should be short, closely supervised and we must ensure that the exit takes place too. Pandering to the likes of strident imams and doing role-swapping is just being completely supine in the face of a people whose religion permits no other attitude than dominance by the adherents of Allah and it being completely justified to use violence to achieve those ends.

I haven't hear anything from the Muslim community in Scotland or UK about the Mumbai killings/massacre (which is what it is) and I understand that one survey points up a 40% approval for this kind of atrocity. Meanwhile we bend over and take it - it's about time we didn't and enforced some far stricter rules about who is coming and going and what for and to cease further emigration to the UK.
26

Scimitar1,

02/12/2008 09:32:31
Aye,The clocks are beginning to strike thirteen in Scotlandistan.
27

Boab,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 09:45:54
Dear me, the usual inane BNP-style hysteria on this thread. A government employee has no right to take you aside and interrogate you on the basis of your religion or skin colour. One sure way to nurture terrorism is to start harrassing law-abiding citizens. You lot trust the government way too much.

#28 The Former ... - yes, that's the problem. Muslims just love the sight of mangled bodies. Have you tried asking Pakistan Forum Scotland to see if this is true? Bet you can find their email address if you look.
28

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 02/12/2008 10:12:22
I recognise a lot of the Islamaphobe posters as previous nationalist posters. Is this what an independent Scotland would look like? If so, you can keep it.
29

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 02/12/2008 10:24:57
Most Muslims are NOT terrorists. But, from the evidence it does appear that MOST terrorists ARE Muslims. we now have entire cities in the UK which are virtual Muslim enclaves: Leicester, Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds and huge parts of London. Can you imagine what will happen if the USA and GB have to invade Pakistan to stop terrorists gaining control of this failed state - with its nuclear arsenal.

We face the real possibility of an ethnic and religious based Civil War in this country if Pakistan is targeted by the Americans. Our last Civil War in 1644 was essentially a religious war - Catholic Royalists versus Protestant Parliamentarians; it lasted 10 years and left 500,000 dead ( a decapitated king) and a nation fractured for a century. We now have a huge population of Muslims whose loyalty is not to this country but to a global Muslim brotherhood. They regard us as 'kaffirs' - lower than dogs - and they represent a permanent, escalating threat to our social cohesion and even our survival as a nation. if you think this is exaggerated, take a look at London in 7/7 or Mumbai last week. These people kill for their religion; they killed 3,000 in New York, 400 in Madrid, 200 in Mumbai, 200 in Bali, and they would have killed many in Glasgow if their car had not jammed in the door.
30

Ewan Oosami,

02/12/2008 10:49:57
Nobody forced these Muslims to come here - if they don't like it they can always leave. Stop pandering to them.
31

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 02/12/2008 10:52:22
Comparing Islam to other religions is the first mistake made by most politically correct types.

Then they compound the error by making further comparisons between border disputes like Northern Ireland which has a religious division.

The current Islamic Terrorism has nothing todo with USA nor Palestine. It has and was in existence since the beginning of the death cult Islam.

Jihad by the sword is the method of expansion, where that does not seem likely to succeed then the Quran provides a whole lot of religiously acceptable methods to expand further influence.

Islam has one goal. Total sumbission of the population of the planet to Allah. They have no intention of live and let live.

As for multicultural, forget it. Islamists only consider this applicable where they are the minority. Look around the world to places Islam is dominant. It is far, far from a multicultural society.

32

An Greumach Mor,

02/12/2008 11:01:24
Since we hear from so many critics who either don't take the time to read this site, or simply can't understand the distinction between Islam and Muslims, we thought it best to bring together in one place what we have said in so many others over the years.

Islam is an ideology. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.

Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.

Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means Submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical deconstruction), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.

Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really improve the health of our societies? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves, merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?

Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is. Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented by the Qur'an the
33

An Greumach Mor,

02/12/2008 11:04:53

Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is. Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented by the Qur'an the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).

By the same token, don't draw conclusions about the Muslims in your life based on the true nature of Islam. Like any other group, not all Muslims think alike.

If our years of dialogue with literally hundreds have taught us anything, it is that most Muslims (even devout ones) have only a superficial understanding of their religion. Most never made the choice to be Muslim, so (as with all religion) there are widely varying degrees of seriousness with which they may take their faith.

The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of their sacred book be vandalized.

Pre-judging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals nothing about them. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds.

Don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know, and don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam.

www.thereligionofpeace.com
34

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 11:53:13
32 I don't think there's a connection. The most Islamophobic posts I have read are about Osama Saeed. Sadly, Islamophobia seems to cross all party boundaries.
35

long live the supermarkets,

every little hurts 02/12/2008 12:00:23
#11 You made me laugh on a miserable day
What about has anyone tampered with your case?
36

Scythia,

02/12/2008 12:33:11
The special branch are NOT alone in questioning people from that part of the world, this is a pan European problem.

The non-complacent U.S. government is rightly concerned about some of these individuals receiving terror training in Pakistan and then with their British passports travelling to the U.S. to carry out an attack. That's why the U.S. briefly floated the idea of requiring Britons born in Pakistan to have special visas before they can enter the U.S.

The Islamic terrorists don't threaten western civilization but they certainly are a terrorist threat to the UK and to the U.S. A Mumbai could occur in any city across Europe,we need to support our security people instead of undermining them. Let them carry out their operational activities unhindered and keep the loony left, PC crowd away.

37

Boab,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 12:34:17
#35 An Greumach Mor:

'Islam is an ideology. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.'

Ah, I never get sick of this irony. A white European piously condemning Muslims for trying to take over the world.

Go on - tell us how they all buy Abba records and are prone to skin cancer.
38

Calum Crubag,

02/12/2008 12:43:00
More cowtowing towards 'sensitive' religious types. All religion is an adopted belief. No one is born a 'Muslim' or a 'Catholic' - but many kids are brainwashed by parents or by 'observance' in school. This should stop.

One question for the Daily Mail readers here - where do we send the white Scots Musims? What about the Christians - another foreign religion which managed to get here before Islam? Christianity too has a sorry record of torture and massacre.
39

JT,

02/12/2008 12:43:36
Why is it that if we moan about the pandering to other cultures we are labled BNP fans. All groups in society we would like to be treated with respect, however if you are behaving in a suspicious manner or a tory MP then you can expect to be under survelance of the police/spooks. What I think some of the comments are trying to state is that it seems that police dont understand the muslim community, well perhaps its the other way round???
40

ddmc,

02/12/2008 12:52:44
#11 standard questions on entering the USA used to be are you a commie , do you know any commies etc etc
41

Bele's bane,

Scotland 02/12/2008 13:58:52
In the final analysis the fact remains that all recent international terrorism has been carried out by members of the Muslim community, and a high proportion of those Muslims have had a tie with Pakistan!

It would, therefore be displaying a singular lack of responsibility on the part of security officials not to pay any Muslim at an airport or aboard any form of Public Transport, remember 7/7?

Whist it is true that perhaps not every Muslim is operating in terrorist mode, it has to be remembered that very suicide bomber has been a member of the Muslim community!!!

Logic therefore dictates that every Muslim must soley for purposes of maintaining public saftey and security be regarded as a potential terrorist.

This measure will also protect the lives of Muslims
that are not terrorists!

Swopping places with Muslims will not convey to the Police officers the intensity of the hatred of the indigenous white races of this country that is born into the non-white community that make up the bulk of the Muslim community world wise.

This appears to me to be an ingenious anti-white propaganda exercise!

42

Bele's bane,

Scotland 02/12/2008 14:02:18
Post # 45 adendum

Apologies,

Please insert the words "attention to a" between the words any and Muslim in my second paragraph.
43

Boab,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 14:11:13
Hang on a sec - if you interrogate a Muslim on a flight to Pakistan, aren't they basically going to give you 'I'm going to visit Auntie Samena and see the giant Mosque etc'? Doubt any of them are going to say, 'yes, I'm off to the war torn border with Afghanistan, I hear it's jolly nice.'

So, in fact, these interrogations are a waste of taxpayers money; as well as being likely to antagonize the 99% of British Muslims (MI5 figures) who have sod-all to do with extremism.

#46 Bele's: Hope you don't mind being interrogated as a paedophile if you visit the Phillipines, or a drug lord if you visit Columbia? Seems only fair.
44

Boab,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 14:12:36
PS - this story is about terrorism in Asia. Muslim extremists don't tend to blow up planes full of Muslims travelling to Pakistan.
45

Richard Lionheart,

02/12/2008 15:24:04
Give us more of this. We really want to see the police undertaking training in North Pakistan. Live 24 Hr news coverage too!

And they don’t even need to pretend to be working under cover!

Will Osama be in charge of security at the Airport then?
46

ThePeter,

Edinburg 02/12/2008 19:19:15
And with the Police's recent history, no doubt bacon rolls will be provided all round for breakfast....
47

Bele's bane,

Scotland 03/12/2008 14:57:05
Post#47 Boab,Gasgow

Simply do not visit Asian or South American countries, no objections to being interrogated for possible commission of mass murder plans.

Cannot figure out how Paedophilla or Epheboplilia is in any way related to the bombing of transport that public use by Muslim suicide bombers.

 

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