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Published Date:
25 August 2007
FIRMS digging up the road should "rent" lanes to speed up the job, Scotland's first roadworks commissioner has told The Scotsman.
John Gooday said contractors upgrading roads and laying new pipes and cables would be paid bonuses if they finished early, but fined if the work ended late.

In his first interview since taking up the post in May, Mr Gooday said the system had worked successfully on Scotland's motorways and other trunk roads, which he previously managed.

The proposal was welcomed by motoring groups, but utility firms warned the extra cost would be passed on to consumers.

Mr Gooday said trunk-road contractors were paid £15,000 for each day they completed work early and were fined the same amount for every day they overran agreed finishing dates.

He said: "There is an incentive for a contractor to finish early. This is an area where we could get more speedy results and something I want to encourage as best practice."

Mr Gooday said he also planned to sharpen co-ordination between roadworks contractors and local authorities, which are in charge of all roads except trunk roads in their areas.

This will include a requirement for all roadworks firms to include projects in a Scotland-wide roadworks register.

The commissioner also wants to improve planning on roadworks, with better signage, barriers and space for pedestrians.

He said: "Tidy sites tend to move forward with pace and have good-quality reinstatement of the street at the end of the work."

Mr Gooday said a particular bugbear of motorists was roadworks which caused disruption although no work appeared to be going on.

He called for contractors to use a multi-skilled workforce to eliminate gaps between stages of the work.

He said: "There are roadworks where someone digs the hole, someone else does the repair and another person backfills the hole. The planning in some cases is not as good as it could have been."

The Scottish Executive's Transport Scotland agency, for which Mr Gooday was previously national network manager for roads, said the lane-rental system on trunk roads worked well.

Examples included month-long roadworks on the M90 near Perth being completed in half that time, and reconstruction of the M8 in Glasgow last year finishing two weeks early.

A spokesman for the agency said: "Transport Scotland and its operating companies build in lane rental to the tendering process for schemes on the trunk-road network to minimise the disruption to traffic caused by the essential maintenance programme.

"While it cannot guarantee that roadworks do not run over their specified duration, it does provide an incentive for the contractor to do everything possible to return the road to traffic in a timely manner."

Neil Greig, the director of the Institute of Advanced Motorists' Motoring Trust in Scotland, said renting lanes was the only way to ensure roadworks were completed sooner than expected.

He said: "This sounds like good news. From drivers' point of view, for utility firms to pay to open up roads and pay more if things overrun is the only way of focusing minds to ensure they do things as quickly as possible.

"There are still far too many examples where roadworks are set up and nothing happens, with lanes coned off simply to protect a set of temporary traffic lights."

But the National Joint Utilities Group of power and telecommunications firms involved in roadworks warned that customers would suffer.

A spokesman said: "A blanket application of a daily charge will simply increase costs to utility companies, and hence utility customers.

"The results of the lane-rentals trials conducted in England were inconclusive as to whether there were any benefits over and above those gained from existing regulations.

"Members of the National Joint Utilities Group are committed to a partnership approach with roads authorities and each other to minimise disruption and make maximum use of minimum dig technology. The results of these activities should be assessed before introducing any such unnecessary levies."

DRIVERS FACE FRESH CRACKDOWN ON MOBILES


POLICE forces across Scotland are to launch a fresh crackdown on drivers who use mobile phones on the move.

The announcement came as three of the biggest forces - Strathclyde, Tayside and Lothian and Borders - revealed that more than 5,000 people had been caught since the law came in.

Tayside Chief Constable John Vine, in charge of road-policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers Scotland, said: "It's been six months since this legislation was implemented to drive home the message that it is not only foolish to use a hand-held phone while driving, but highly dangerous to do anything that detracts from a driver's ability to maintain proper control of the vehicle.

"That's long enough for Scottish motorists to adjust their driving habits to comply with the new legislation."

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  • Last Updated: 24 August 2007 11:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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25/08/2007 02:09:48
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Njal,

Edinburgh 25/08/2007 05:27:06

I thought contractors were fined if they failed to finish on time? The idea of paying them bonuses if they complete on time what they were contracted to do seems ludicrous. Try bringing up children with that procedure and see how they end up.

4

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2007 05:39:38

They know the job.

5

Perkins,

Loch Lomond 25/08/2007 05:56:15

Contractors not finishing on time ??, give me strength.

We have the problem of getting them to start.

Temporary traffic lights on the A82 between Tarbet and Crianlarich .... 25 years old this summer ... think about that, a quarter of a century with temporary traffic lights !!

6

Norbert Dentressangle,

25/08/2007 06:55:07

You're right Perkins. It's time for a bridge right up the middle of the Loch.

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MWM,

Argyll 25/08/2007 08:20:59

#6

....but surely a tunnel would be cheaper!

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Joel,

Edinburgh 25/08/2007 08:51:45

One of the worst problems is so called contractors digging trenches in the road and patching them so poorly that within days they have sunk into deep potholes. There is a constantly bad one outside the small development in Cramond at Cramond Road North. These developers should be fined for incompetence.

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KTCB41,

25/08/2007 08:52:41

The Scotsman should name the spokesman for the "National Joint Utilities Group" who is employed to explain why the companies can't stick to the schedule they agreed to.

I use the words "they agreed to" on the basis that they know how to do their job but it seems that they repeatedly don't.

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Kipling,

South of the border 25/08/2007 09:19:06

Doesn't Scotland have the equivalent of the Traffic Management Act 2004 which requires all works to be booked/ licenced onto a register and started and completed on time, otherwise be fined? This should be implemented by the end of this year in its first stage (the second stage is that roadworks will have to have a permit which will give them the equivalent of a visible car tax disc).

Depending on the kind of works and traffic rating of the road they have to be completed in reasonable time. Is London ahead on this? The whole idea is that all those who put holes in roads plus the public know well ahead what works are going to happen.

Eventually it is hoped that this will lead to co-ordination of the works such that the present patchwork quilt days are over. A road will be dug up over one period by, for example,
gas, then water, then electricity, then cable, (deepest first) then resurfaced to standard. Then that's it , no more for several years.

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Kipling,

South of the border 25/08/2007 09:23:36

I should add that the intention is also that the coordinating body ensures that roadworks don't also appear on diversion routes as frequently happens at present.

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GraemeH,

Edinburgh 25/08/2007 09:58:32

One thing he could have looked at on motorways is the people who set up the roadworks who, say for weekend works, set them up at 7pm on a Friday and lift them at 6am on the Monday, except the works only start at 8am on the Saturday and finish at 4pm on the Sunday. More co-ordination please.

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Andrew Allan,

25/08/2007 10:03:38

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AM2, Glasgow / 8:33pm 24 Aug 2007
‘Being a minority administration doesn't prevent the publication of white papers, however unlikely it is that they'll come to anything - as we've seen with the white paper on independence.
How many of these bills, promised in the SNP's "First 100 Days" document, have actually been published?....etc’

As I have said AM2, the SNP finding themselves as a minority government found it better to build consensus on issues, and so had to re-order their plans in order to do this better, that is of course for the paper on independence, which they have developed into a wider issue putting all of the other parties onto a back foot.
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AM2, Glasgow / 8:57pm 24 Aug 2007
‘Re. “I take it when you went missing for a while after the election…”
When exactly was that?’

Straight after the Scottish Elections in May, for a few days at least.

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AM2, Glasgow / 9:01pm 24 Aug 2007
‘You say that cricket is a marginal sport in Scotland.
Out of curiosity, would you say the same of curling?’

With membership running at around just over 14,800, I think I would call curling a marginal sport, though a difference between curling and cricket of course, is that curling was invented in Scotland.
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Groucho,

25/08/2007 10:34:09

Will the council fine themselves when they run over their own time limits? They don't force their contractors or workers to work to Chapter 8. There safety standards are appalling.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 25/08/2007 10:56:56

10 Good God!

A useful piece of new information on the Hootsman message board!!!!!!

Take a bow Mr Kipling.

Don't think Scotland does have such legislation
Memo to Alex Salmond.
Add to the "To Do" list.

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The ex Pat,

25/08/2007 11:03:03

There is nothinh new in this it has been tried in England for a number of years

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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit, Scotland 25/08/2007 11:24:12

We all know it, we all can see it. Road cones are put out for miles to give protection to idle workers drinking tea and reading the paper.

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robbie runciman,

Lydd 25/08/2007 11:26:00

I think that one way companies get round the act in England is by claiming that the work is an 'emergency'.

This means if you bring in a system to rent lanes, the charges need to be higher for an 'emergency' to encourage the company to do more routine maintenance and not let it get bad. It would also be useful if there was a mechnaism to ensure that this amount came out of the shareholders dividends rather than customers.

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Abesaidwhat,

Minnesota 25/08/2007 11:44:53

# 10 - I think The Traffic Management Act 2004 is a UK Act.

Scotland had the New Roads and Street Works Act 1991 which had some such powers, and perhaps the Transport Scotland Act 2005 proposed a Scottish Road Works Commissioner as the best way to improve the planning, quality and coordination of roadworks in Scotland.

There is more than one flavour of jelly baby.

With regard to the article I think it is not so much a case as carrot and stick as charging the roadworks contractors for the very real loss of increased travel time. Sounds like a win win situation to me.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 25/08/2007 12:26:46

Christ, he's back.

Did I mention the Tram Overspend?

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BK,

Cyberspace 25/08/2007 13:22:03

"A spokesman said: "A blanket application of a daily charge will simply increase costs to utility companies, and hence utility customers."
An argument for re-nationalisation without compensation if there ever was one. We can be as incompetent as we like, we have mugs of customers to whom we can pass on the bill.

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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose still avoiding DIY 25/08/2007 14:28:05

I have actually wondered if other countries put their utilities in the roads?? The road surface in Britain does seem to be particlarly poor.

every time the road is dug up it not only disturbs the line of the track, it tears up the substructure for 5 or 6 feet around it - so the whole road surface is damaged and bumpy.

There must be a better way of doing things than this

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Paula,

25/08/2007 19:29:11

AM2 you need a life honey, this seems to be getting a little stressful for yourself.

Maybe we should also ask compensation for the amount of damage shoddy workmanship does to our vehicles as well. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks that riding in the Noddy car would be less of a bumpy ride than driving the roads in Scotland.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/08/2007 19:38:06

Good idea. I'm sure the majority of roadworks regarding utilities are either repairs or tapping into existing services for new developments.

Sometimes to have to open a road up to determine the exact location and depth of the service so it can be branched into. This can lead to redesigns of drainage for example.

As built information on existing services is at best inaccurate. So perhaps this should be seen as an initiative in that department and a kick up the jacksie for the cowboys who extract the Michael from the local authorities.

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barbour,

Perthshire 25/08/2007 19:53:21

#26
Re services IWO roadways.Germany has all services in conduits along side of the highway,it was easier for them because we bombed the ++++ out of them,so they had a blank sheet of paper to start with,bit draconian for us!but there are many parts of Scotland that could only be improved by the same treatment,eg Cumbernauld,all of Fife etc.

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william john,

ayr 25/08/2007 20:12:56

lane rental is scourge with contractors doing a murphy destroy everything in front of you and bury it before anyone finds out i should know i have been a clerk of works for 16 years working on m40 m25 m8 m4 m5 a40 a34 a8 to name a few of the jobs worked on. if the roads are bad now try lane rentals for worse to come

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Honest Jock,

Leith 25/08/2007 20:22:01

What a load o Sh*te they should just employ Eastern Europeans and have the jobs done in a fraction of the time with better quality added in for free.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/08/2007 21:40:46

footnote to 28. And a kick up the jacksie for local authorities who do not push paper fast enough.

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connaughtboy,

25/08/2007 21:43:14

I think that this is exactly what already happens. the contractor gets to use the part of the road they are woking on free of charge and if they overrun they pay "rent". It's a form of liquidated damages.

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Kipling,

South of the border 26/08/2007 03:39:59

#19. NRSWA 1991 is active until the code of practice for the TMA 2004 comes into force, about now (it may already have happened). The problem with NRSWA was that there were no obvious penalties as there are with the TMA.

#12. Sometimes the early start is to get the vehicles / traffic management into position. The late finish might be due to allowing the surface to ?dry. Just because there are no men on site at the end it doesn't mean it has finished.

However, the TMA demands that the work must be completely cleared from the road, including TM. So the situation #5 describes would simply not be allowed. They would be fined for every day the TM is over the end of the booking if it's a utility or similar. The only problem with this Act is that if the roadworks are being contracted by the road owner, as with TfL in London, then TfL fines itself. Which isn't going to be done. So they've had to think of other ways of keeping themselves in order as the Act demands all are treated equally. That's where the problems will occur as the financial incentive to follow the Act aren't the same for TfL owned/local council owned roadworks.

The Scottish commissioner, if there is one, should look at the teething problems that happen down south and learn.

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Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 26/08/2007 20:04:39

Nothing will happen until those who are really responsible for the incompetence are made personally accountable and are either fined or sacked.

Finishing on time does not count for much if the work has to be redone later in the year and the taxpayers are hit with yet another bill.


Yours etc


Angus Whitton

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Gogzy,

Fife 26/08/2007 22:26:18

god it really makes my blood boil when theirs roadworks but nothing is ever happening,
latest example of that has to be telford road in edinburgh,temporary traiffic lights and not a single bit of work all week apart from one time when i actually saw 2 workmen sitting by the light control box by the side of the road!! a whole week for them to go and play with a few wires in a box for 5 mins. grrr
though contractors would find a way to get round this porb by giving them a later completion date so that they finish early etc.


 

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