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Published Date: 30 August 2007
A COUNCIL leader sparked fury yesterday when she said was spearheading the return of ceremonial robes to set councillors "apart from the hoi polloi".
Jenny Dawe, the leader of Edinburgh city council, and George Grubb, the lord provost, have asked for a report on plans to restore the traditional red and black robes, and their accompanying tricorn hats.

The move is likely to cost the council tho
usands of pounds and it has struck many as ill-judged at a time when schools are under threat of closure.

Mrs Dawe, a Liberal Democrat, said: "We are only asking for a report at this stage on the reintroduction of the robes for some civic occasions ... we're not committing to spending any money.

"I'm not for a minute suggesting we should come into the City Chambers every day wearing robes, but there are important civic occasions when I feel it would be important to set us apart from the hoi polloi."

That comment provoked an angry response from Ewan Aitken, the city's Labour leader. He said: "I thought it was a shocking thing to say and utterly disrespectful to the people of Edinburgh.

"Our job is to represent people of this city alongside them. It was certainly not the sort of comment becoming of a city leader. Here we are debating school closures, Meadowbank and economic development, and the Lib Dems want to talk about robes. Where are their priorities?"

His Conservative counterpart, Iain Whyte, said: "I think Jenny will regret making the comment. It was unfortunate and I hope she didn't intend any harm by it. It was a rather daft mistake, given the attitude of some of the people against bringing back the robes."

Former Labour lord provosts Lesley Hinds and Eric Milligan are against bringing back the robes.

Ms Hinds said: "It's almost beyond belief that this is being looked at while the council is proposing to close down schools and nurseries. Where is its sense of priority? It's a complete waste of officer time and taxpayers' money to even be looking at reviving them."

Mr Milligan said: "It would send out entirely the wrong signal to the people of Edinburgh if we were to go down this road. What would be next? Sedan chairs? No-one would ever persuade me to wear a robe and I hope every self-respecting democrat would feel the same."

The Lib Dems' coalition partners in the SNP and all but two Tory councillors, Jason Rust and Gordon Buchan, voted with Mrs Dawe's party to commission a report on the revival of the robes - a new set of which would cost at least £3,000.

Steve Cardownie, the SNP leader, said his members would get a free vote on the issue when it came back to the council.

The ceremonial dress was last worn by councillors 12 years ago, when the SNP's Norman Irons was lord provost, before being ditched when Edinburgh District Council became Edinburgh City Council.

Robes, if revived, would be worn at major ceremonial occasions, such as the Ceremony of the Keys at the Palace of Holyroodhouse, the Remembrance Day service at St Giles' Cathedral and certain royal visits.

A council spokeswoman said: "The council has instructed officials to report back on the reintroduction of ceremonial robes for councillors. Details about cleaning and restoration costs will form part of this report."

MANY A NAME FOR THE MASSES


THOUGH the term "hoi polloi" has come to be a derogatory way of describing "the common masses", the literal translation from Greek is simply "the many".

There are lots of examples of its use in the Greek form in western literature, dating back to the 17th century.

The earliest known example of the modern usage, to mean the masses, was in a 1668 essay by John Dryden.

It was a phrase, though, that would have been widely familiar to academics of the classics.

For instance, the various classes of degree at Cambridge University were wranglers, seniors and junior optimes - now called first, second and third class - followed by hoi polloi, also called poll men or polloi men.

It is widely believed the English translation was first used by the American writer James Fenimore Cooper (pictured), in his Gleanings from Europe in 1837.

However, there is a point of contention over the correct linguistic use of hoi polloi.

Because the phrase is literally "the many", to refer to "the hoi polloi" is to say "the the many", and some say it should be simply "hoi polloi".

Other linguists argue this is pedantic and inconsistent with examples in other languages - in Arabic the "al" in alchemist, alcohol and algebra means "the", but it is not seen as incorrect to refer to "the alchemist".



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  • Last Updated: 29 August 2007 10:11 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Jock MacSprog,

30/08/2007 00:29:36

is the Scotsman so desperate for stories that they now just re print Evening News stories from yesterday ?

2

Conan,

Here 30/08/2007 00:53:37

Might I suggest clown costumes?

3

The Daleks,

30/08/2007 00:57:23

She should be forced to resign for insulting the good people of Edinburgh in such a fashion, and considering the re-introduction of robes at a time when essential services are being cut.

This would be, "superior being" clearly has some very strange priorities.

What's going on in her head?

Obviously not a lot, as she thought it was a good idea to join the FibDumbs.

4

Jalepeno,

30/08/2007 01:00:13

Maslows Hierachy

Food, shelter clothing
Education
Health
Community centres
Acceptance by other
Then self actualisation

Seem this daft boot thinks she has satisfied the others and can now adress her self actualisation needs. Tisk tisk, what will the apathetic voters say at the polls, oh that's right bugger all.

Shame, I'd like to see the smile wiped of that uppity boot's face.

5

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30/08/2007 01:06:30
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6

Darryl Matheson,

Elgin, Morayshire 30/08/2007 01:08:09

Unfortuneately the people of Edinburgh (though they may now regret it) voted for the Lib-Dems and the SNP and will just have to live with the consequences until the next election or a by-election.

7

Allis Chalmers,

Lost. 30/08/2007 01:12:18

Hoi what?
Pretentious rubbish.

If these substandard neeps want to "set themselves apart" from the rest of us they should wear sackcloth - I'll gladly provide the ashes free of charge.

8

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 01:35:07

Typical of a FibDem ... next up will be fattening the expenses accounts in line with party colleagues at Holyrood ...

9

Guga II,

Rockall 30/08/2007 02:23:52

This Whig woman Dawe should remember that it was the hoi polloi that put her there, and it is the same hoi polloi that are liable to remove her.

As for the SNP councillors involved, they should hang their heads in shame at associating with such an arrogrant prat, and agreeing with her proposals.

10

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/08/2007 02:32:27

Only Embra could have a geo-grub and jenny-long-legs heading the City Cooncil. It's no wonder an office suit widna fit them. Insects really are taking over the galaxy so, flobby mammals, give homage to King Mantis.

Our icon is the spider! Nicola = victory of the people.

A Bruce ! Sgur Uran !

11

ex-jock(not pat),

new york usa 30/08/2007 03:39:33

Hey, Erchie #6, don't sugarcoat it pal. Jist tellit like it is.

12

Boy Wonder,

30/08/2007 04:35:57

Jeez Archie ... leave something for the rest of us to say, huh??

Yes, it was in last night's EN and she got plenty stick there for it! See http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1372502007

I recommend a barrage of emails demanding an apology and climb-down from this Sir Les Patterson lookalike!!!

But of course what do you expect from this member for Drumbrae/Gyle?? Do they all think they're better than the rest of us out there??

If the SNP want to save face from THIS fracas, they should withdraw from the alliance with the Libdems. Cos it looks like they're going to ruin things for Alex's govt in the city.

Is holding power worth getting into bed with this woman, Mr Cardownie??

On second thoughts, don't answer that ... I feel sick at the thought already ....

13

The Daleks,

30/08/2007 05:45:12

#13

Boy Wonder is right.

The SNP should pull out of this coalition, as it has the makings of disaster written all over it.

14

Ubi,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 05:49:33

What should set them apart is wisdom. That they remain indistinguishable speaks volumes.

15

P.C Murdoch,

30/08/2007 05:50:47

£3000 for a set of robes..........she should take a walk up The Mile to Mr Shing's tat emporium where a set could be had for a tenner.

16

Shabina,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 06:32:45

#1 "is the Scotsman so desperate for stories that they now just re print Evening News stories from yesterday ?"

and of course Edinburgh Sucks led with the story yesterday morning....

http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2007/08/29/how-much-too-blo...

17

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 30/08/2007 06:34:03

Hoi polloi is a borrowing of the Greek phrase hoi polloi, consisting of hoi, meaning "the" and used before a plural, and polloi, the plural of polus, "many." In Greek hoi polloi had a special sense, "the greater number, the people, the commonalty, the masses." This phrase has generally expressed this meaning in English since its first recorded instance, in an 1837 work by James Fenimore Cooper. Hoi polloi is sometimes incorrectly used to mean "the elite," possibly because it is reminiscent of high and mighty or because it sounds like hoity-toity. · Since the Greek phrase includes an article, some critics have argued that the phrase the hoi polloi is redundant. But phrases borrowed from other languages are often reanalyzed in English as single words. For example, a number of Arabic noun phrases were borrowed into English as simple nouns. The Arabic element al- means "the," and appears in English nouns such as alcohol and alchemy. Thus, since no one would consider a phrase such as "the alcohol" to be redundant, criticizing the hoi polloi on similar grounds seems pedantic

18

Alberto.,

30/08/2007 06:53:42

'but there are important civic occasions when I feel it would be important to set us apart from the hoi polloi!

So says the Councillor! (probably gets clasified as a duty and warrants some extra financial payment - bless!)

Is she unaware they are already 'set apart from the hoi polloi' - in a way she will probably find difficult to understand within the arrogance of the Political mindset!

It's a little surprising she is aware of a 'hoi polloi' existing in the Country at all - especially from the heights of the obvious tall pedestal on which, no doubt, as with many others of her ilk, place themselves!

I think she should seriously think of the main and probably only reason she and all the others politicos are where they are is because the electorate put them there to do a specific job - and hopefully be good at it - although mostly they seem to be failing!

Perhaps she / they, are losing / lost complete contact with others in this Country and still living in the land of myths where some of the inhabitants are still under the impression that 'Clothes maketh the Man / Woman!' Wrong!

Remember the man (?) Blair - a very smart looking chappie, always well turned out! Need more be said? A bigger shattering of the ‘dress attire’ myth one couldn’t find!

All the finery in the World will not help if you are not good at what you need to be - that only misleads people because what they are really seeing is 'Dressed up Failure' - and she should realise that 'we' know what we see even when we don't believe what it says!

You can fool some of the people etc., etc.

19

Ted,

30/08/2007 07:31:34

Presumably Jenny is a plant from one of the other parties, plotting the destruction of the Lib Dems. How else can you explain the "close all the schools but give me a nice robe" approach to the media?!

20

Jay Kay,

Burntisland 30/08/2007 07:41:42

#19 Dave,

Thanks mate you learn something new every day thats a good piece of investigation.

Now what she really meant to say was "lets buy new robes to set us up on a pedistal above the scum that elected us".

"Let the rabble masses gaze up at our ermine and mink robes and see how godlike we are".

F*cking arrogant, that what it is, right Im orf to light me torch n get me pitch fork

I say "Burn the witch".

WE should all bl**dy well march in our thousands right into the heart of the beautiful and majestic building that is the scottish parliment and pull her out and stick her in the stocks so the kids can throw rotten fruit at her.

21

Cadgers,

Perth 30/08/2007 08:03:45

What did they do with the old robes? I'm sure a bit of a dry clean and they'd be fine. Maybe a bit motheaten, but that would certainly put her apart from the hoi polloi. Which is quite fine, who wants to be rubbing shoulders with a motheaten old bint anyway.

22

yolanda,

30/08/2007 08:05:17

She should be sacked. It seems to be a trait of these idiots to believe they are better than those who elected them to be where they are. The difference is that the more intelligent ones wouldn't actually voice that opinion. This deluded woman obviously doesn't even have the brains to keep her gob shut. Sack her and let her spend her days at home, where she can wear as many ceremonial robes as she likes!

23

Judge&Jury,

Glasgow 30/08/2007 08:08:05

A great idea, more money that the council tax payers in Edinburgh will have to find.

Going to be a mighty tight financial squeeze, what with the Tram line, the Schools problem.

Oh and the revamp of the Staff's Terms and Conditions of employment to pay for the councils cockup in implementing Equal Pay legislation correctly.

Residents of Edinburgh fasten your seatbelts, you are in for a bumpy ride.

24

paulr,

30/08/2007 08:11:58

"hoi polloi", Jenny Dawe, jumped up little nobody needs to remember that it was the "hoi polloi" who voted her into the position, she is there to SERVE not to lord it over anyone...

25

paulr,

30/08/2007 08:12:32

And if she wants ceremonial robes, let her pay for them out of her own pocket, not ours

26

Doh,

30/08/2007 08:14:21

#23 AM2

Do yourself some favours and dont propogate a lie.
It was denied and challenged and your are rather cowardly repeating. Let me see if I said Ewan Aitken was a devil worshipper - would that make true. Or only true if you repeated it?

This story is utter trivia, part of the Labour Evening News campaign against the new administration. For trivia the most amusing was the story about an honesty box for councillors sandwichs.

Apparantly Labout think this is wrong, they used to provide them for free - but you wouldnt know that from reading the Labour Evening News. More biased than Pravda.

I would agree that Jenny Dawe has foot in mouth disease.

27

Doh,

30/08/2007 08:33:50

#31 Moscow and #21 Ted

Yes you are so right the Labour party is much more capable of accepting sound adice - like dodgy dossiers and forty minute warnings. Pull the other end of the robe it has got bells ont it.

Labour are a disgrace.

28

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/08/2007 08:38:24

I "slightly s'periour" Edinburgh there's this drive to aye keep up wi the Frasers o Bollomeal-CarMiles v. the Teffeta Jones o Hoi Pollock. Rags to Robes taen up fi the Sexfam Shoap; we dinna think so. Wha sal be Judge? Wha sal be Chancellor? Lyk haund-loom weivers afore the might o th'Industrial Revolution they'll soon be luckie to hae a sark on their backs far less robes. For thae upstant SNiPpers hae usurp-ed the White Sheep o Technologie. Judge Judy is their New Dolly. Habilled in threads donated fae th'Estate o Muriel Spark - alsae cloned an fabricaited i mainland China - These Superbots ettle to rattle tho the 5 year backalog in Scottish Courts and try aathing fae no pying a parking ticket to running Perthshire Cocaine and a puckle "gangland" shootans -- by Christmas! Ver'ly it will be Christmas, Noo Year and Wednesday aa i the same day as spuik doon i the Crit. bi them Auld Aib'deen docks.

All it tuik was the soond o wan platinum haund clappand.

© Yok Finney & Harry Harrison & Cathal I T yConvertos

29

GD,

Stop I want to get off 30/08/2007 08:38:26

Next they'll be awarding themselves chests full of medals and military uniforms like they do in other banana republics.
Alex Salmond needs to get in there and sort this rabble out.

30

'Hezza,

30/08/2007 08:41:14

I have an alternative idea. If they want robes so much, then it makes sense to make them cost-effective. Fair? OK, so robes will be expensive anyway, so the best way to get value is for them to be worn every day. All the time. And on weekends.

They can then turn the heating in the council offices down a wee bit, since they look like they will be quite warm! Let's see if they are still keen.

31

Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 08:41:28

The leader of the City Council is deluding herself if she actually believes that the hoi polloi of Scots voters
favour her political party?
In many cases, at local and national level, the Scots simply vote tactically for the Lib-Dems to ensure the indigenous Tory Party is prevented from returning to any semblance of power. This ploy has worked successfully for 10 years.
Ms. Hawe does not actually believe the Scots hoi
polloi would ever vote in large numbers for the Lib-dems?

32

sam the god,

30/08/2007 08:41:36

do not worry the councillors can pay for their own robes out of the money they are saving from not putting money in the honesty box for their lunches

33

Angus McIonnach,

Embra 30/08/2007 08:41:44

Not the most sensible thing to say in today's atmosphere of hyper sensitive grievance-politics.

34

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary 30/08/2007 08:46:35

5. Jalepeno

In her mind she has already "sorted" number 2 on that list by trashing our kids educations, so we like her can partake of the joys of homeschooling.

Isn't self actualisation just a euphemism for self abuse?

35

Alberto.,

30/08/2007 08:57:45

Tricorn Hats for our elected members of the Council!

No chance!

Even if they still make them, and I very much doubt it, or ever did, really make them in the size that is obviously going to be required, for such pompous and arrogant people as some of the politicos!

Do they not realise we have 'Pantomimes' each year to give us a really good laugh, and, although our Councillors bedecked in such ceremonial robes will give any panto a good run for its money - they will certainly lose out in the sincerity stakes!

Would there be a fight or a free vote for who to be 'Chief jester?' - and would the position carry a further financial entitlement, without any real responsibility - as seems normal?

36

Alberto.,

30/08/2007 09:00:57

Honesty boxes for 'well paid' Councillors to donate financially toward their lunches!

Not heard one like that before - tell me another!

37

Virgil,

Vancouver,BC 30/08/2007 09:05:09

Both my wife and I can claim to the title Professor Emeritus having spent our lives in academia where robes can be common-place and convocations provide the opportunity to parade before the hoi polloi who themselves are robed for receiving a sheepskin facsimilie. And this custom is produced and reproduced in every university in every country in the world and might be considered pretentious by some. It is by me and had we rid ourselves of the custom I would never have voted to retrieve it.
This is the lesson that the lady has failed to learn.
It is outdated and should not be revived.

38

HIBERNIAN5,

A GIE DREICH MORAY GARDEN 30/08/2007 09:23:05

AWE HERE MRS DOHHS YOU WANT YER ROBES AND FUNNY WEE HAT BACK WITH THE LARGE RED "D" ON IT .

SO AS THE HOI POLLOI CAN SEE WHAT A NUMPTY YOU ARE OOPS "D" FOR DEMOCRAT !!

AND YOULL BE WANTING YOUR FLASHY BIG ROLLER AND RED CARPETS AND OTHER THINGS TO WASTE THE PUBLICS MONIES ON

LIKE THON STUPID TRAM SYSTEM THAT NAYBUUDY WANTS (WELL MIBEES THE TOURISTS)

TRY SEARCHING DOWNSTREAM OF THE LEITH WATERS BET ITS ALL POLLUTED TOO!!

AWA AN BEIL YER HEID WUMMIN GIES PEACE

39

Lock,

30/08/2007 09:33:15

Commission some Edinburgh Crown Jewels too.

Seriously though - nothing story.

'a new set of which would cost at least £3,000.'

'Details about cleaning and restoration costs will form part of this report'

Two quotes from the same article.

Notice how the writer is trying to deceive the reader into thinking the robes will cost at least £3,000 when the council report will determine how much the existing robes will cost to clean and restore?

Either that or it is pure sloppy journalism.

40

Helen,

30/08/2007 09:45:40

I presume the existing robes have never been thrown away so they could be cleaned and used again....
I don't really care what councillors wear as long as they are doing a decent job and serving the people who elected them to office.

41

Andra, Dundee,

30/08/2007 09:53:09

Nothing wrong with a bit of ceremony. It seems to have got the hoi polloi posters a bit agitated today though.

Take your negative comments to the extreme - we could sell the Council HQ on the High Street to a big bank or something as a prestigious HQ; then move the council out to an industrial estate on the outskirts - that would make and save millions for the council.

However, I think we need a bit of pride in our councils. After all they are there to serve us and they belong to us. Are the people who only criticise, the same people who make no contribution to society?

42

BK,

Cyberspace 30/08/2007 10:03:46

Tricorned hat (as worn by Dick Turpin) seem strangely appropriate. Don't forget the mask and pistols.

43

Top Floor,

30/08/2007 10:30:02

#30 Doh

Funny how your perception is that that the EN is pro Labour. I know many Labour supporters who thought the exact opposite over the last few years.

Perhaps the EN justs likes to be oppositionalist and anti-establishment ? It probably sells more papers and at the end of the day, that's their real motivation.

Remember though this story is in the Scotsman as well and may well feature in other papers if they consider it "newsworthy".

The robes won't happen. When the report comes back, those that voted for it will run a mile rather than get caught up in this mess again.

44

Montford's Jaicket,

Pegged out 30/08/2007 10:36:31

I think the dear lady has the germ of an excellent idea. Anything that helps us huddled masses to be able to actually identify those culpable for allegedly running our local authorities is to be commended. Robes are perhaps a touch over ostentatious, though; surely a liberal (no pun intended) coating of some indelible fluorescent dye would be adequate? Perhaps delivered in liquid form via a modified high-pressure water cannon?

45

BK,

Cyberspace 30/08/2007 10:37:57

They should remember that it's the "hoi polloi" who vote, and who are not likely to be impressed by pompous buffoons prancing around in pantomime costumes!

46

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary 30/08/2007 10:43:01

48. Andra, Dundee

Yes we SHOULD be proud of the contempt our new council holds us in.

Its obviously the fashion in all the great cities of the world today!

Also you could take Jenny's argument to the extreme also perhaps Dame Jenny or even in the extreme we could deify her.

ALL HAIL THE DREAD GODDESS JENNY DESTROYER OF EDUCATION!

As for suggesting that critics make no contribution to society, you MUST know that you are talking absolute garbage.

But because you've said it perhaps we SHOULD be more accepting of the lot our "betters" choose for us.

47

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary 30/08/2007 10:44:35

48. Andra, Dundee

I personally am not against ceremony in fact I watched The Wicker Man just the other night.

48

Doh,

30/08/2007 10:56:18

#50 Top Floor

My "perception" is slightly influenced by the fact that at the election in May 2007 their editorial encouraged their readers "to hold their nose and vote Labour".

So I am maybe mistaken as taking that as an endorsement.

If you dont beleive me check the issues.

On a lighter note - you can pop into Luccas - they have a nice photo of Tony Blair and the Labour Evening News journalist having a laugh over a cup of tea. He looks very impartial in his red tie.

Cant wait to see the stories in tonight's Pravda. I am sure they will be templates of journalistic investigation and balance.

49

Sedov,

scotland 30/08/2007 11:15:27

You could not make this up - a farce to rival the festival fringe. The SNP supporters are like the three wise monkeys and will divert attention away from the reality that thier beloved own party, who promised all things to all people before the election, is stabbing working people in the back, along with the Lib Dems. Apparantly this unholy alliance have distorted the case for closures as at least 6 schools on their hit list are above the 60% pupil classroles demanded by the auditor. Their excuses for cuts are feeble including blaming Labour and the Edinburgh people have saw through them. This campaign against the cuts has only just begun, believe me - we are coming for you NATS

50

Jasper,

Durham 30/08/2007 11:17:06

I am perfectly happy to be referred to as the hoi polloi, and I like the straight talking of the councillor Jenny Dawe.

51

Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 30/08/2007 12:11:59

Slow news day?

52

J.O.,

30/08/2007 13:34:22

I say she could wear robes if she wants, but she should pay for them with her own money.

53

sickpuppy,

embra 30/08/2007 13:38:16

shes an arse should be removed from office.a waste of even more money

54

H P C,

Canada 30/08/2007 14:18:56

I find it interesting that no-one has pointed out that to write "the hoi polloi" is using the word "the" twice" and so means the the people.

55

Stickman,

30/08/2007 14:29:42

#48. Andra, what an excellent idea. Get them into the industrial estates to serve us!

Also, I think you may find that rather than their critics being people who contribute nothing to society, many are people who do lots of good work and are disgusted by the way certain councillors and MPs conduct themselves. This woman seems to have delusions of grandeur for instance. She IS one of us, but she seems not to think so. It disturbs me somewhat that someone who is paid to serve the public wants to lord over us.

Frankly I don't care what Mrs Dawe wears, as long as it doesn't cost me a penny more than her I already pay her to do her job. She can wear a gold lame catsuit and diamente stillettos if she likes ( hmmm...or is that just a fantasy of mine?) if she pays for it out of her own pocket and gets on with her job.

56

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/08/2007 14:38:39

-- I don't really care what councillors wear.

And neither do I. They only have to pick up their duds from the floor o the all night exclusive executive brothel, order a taxi on the mobile, stop for a wee refresh on Broughton Street: life is so good in Edinburgh. If they're not filing their expense claims by 10 a.m. on Monday morning, obviously they should resign as they cannae hack it. Och many a time I've had dinner wi George Kerevan. I gie him my article and we split the proceeds. It coulna get mair peachy.

© Radio 3

Publication of this cantraip will require MONEY in a plain brown envelope delivered to the OK boatyard, Dingwall, Easter Ross.

57

jjw,

Fort Worth 30/08/2007 15:37:21

Is she going to pay for the report.

58

Butterscotchwhip,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 16:21:44

I wonder how many of your correspondents have attended a major service such as St Andrewstide at the end of November in the High Kirk of Edinburgh. There the representatives of all the Societies in the city such as the Judges, the RSA,etc attend in full ceremonial dress to recognise Scotlands National Day and it's Patron Saint Then in comes the Council. In recent years not even all the men wearing lounge suits looking far from impressive supposedly representing the City of Edinburgh. Why shouldn't they wear already existing robes to lend even more dignity to the occasion. Surely it demonstrates centuries of tradition not separating but identifying the history of the city.

59

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/08/2007 16:31:02

Pay? That would be like an Orkney farmer reaching into his jacket pocket and pulling out his cheque book.

Never happens or it's apocryphal.

When you've an invite to the Ball of Kirriemuir (tickets from Harvey Nichols) and being Jenny-spider-legs herself, you don't carry money in your gold lame catsuit with diamente stillettos.

Only financially challenged people do.

60

Annawa,

30/08/2007 16:48:30

The woman should focus on the job she's paid for instead of what she wears when she's doing it. If she's so into robes, she could resign and spend her days wearing a bath robe. The hoi polloi would perhaps appreciate a less deluded public servant to represent them.

61

Conan,

Here 30/08/2007 17:47:04

Aye, Virgil, but isn't being a 'professor emritus' in Canada is like saying you're a dog trainer - given the IQ of the average Canadian student?

62

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/08/2007 18:06:34

Flibalib is really the disappointment of the millenium so far.

Not only have they set low standards, they have failed to meet them. They should be made a protected species and kept in zoos as curios

63

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/08/2007 18:13:39

A robing, a robing, a robing we will go.

Jenny wants pomp. Well she would, wouldn't she. she's a wummin.

64

Miss H,

30/08/2007 18:24:04

67

In fairness I think lots of other councils provide robes for ceremonial occasions. Not quite sure why Edinburgh would have stopped it in the first place. Neither am I sure why it is seen as such a bad thing. It's part of the civic tradition.

65

BK,

Cyberspace 30/08/2007 18:56:27

#65 - Because Edinburgh Council do not have centuries of tradition, not even decades. The corporation is long gone, and the present lot are not even their direct heirs. Any "traditional" robes for them would be a modern invention.

66

fecker feckerty,

Weegie Wonderland 30/08/2007 19:42:41

I think that the councillors should be allowed to wear ceremonial garb if they so wish. Instead of robes, the atire should be of a more modern nature, ie red green and white track suits, doc martin boots and a see you Jimmy hat. For really special ceremonies, they could also paint there faces with wode

67

HEN BROON 5,

Happy in SNP Scotland. TBCITW 30/08/2007 21:17:19

She is simply aspiring to the paradigm set by her unionist masters for 300 years now.
There is no depth to which these supine lickspittles will not sink in their quest for aggrandise.
The sooner we purge the snakes from our grass the better.

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HEN BROON 5,

Happy in SNP Scotland. TBCITW 30/08/2007 21:20:42

#56. Ohhh nooooo, the silly old marxists are coming to get us, whit will we dae?

The charge of the Zimmers.

70

mr chips,

30/08/2007 22:22:51

They had better stay clear of lord[the arsonist] watson he might mistake them for a pair of curtains.

71

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/08/2007 22:43:58

Can't wait to see the robes getting caught in the tram lines at the grand opening.


 

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