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SNP draws up battlelines for an assault on the 'real issues'



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Published Date: 16 October 2008
THE SNP conference will start today with a call from Alex Salmond, the First Minister, for the party to focus on real issues, real families and the real economy.
Mr Salmond will tell delegates that they must prepare to tackle the aftermath of the financial crisis as it hits the real economy, possibly seeing businesses going to the wall and people losing their jobs.

He also intends to retaliate on claims that the crisis has undermined the case for independence, with a detailed rebuttal.

But the message on the cost of living will reflect the theme of the by-election campaign in Glenrothes, where the party is demanding the UK government help people with fuel bills by cutting VAT on it by 5 per cent.

"People want their fuel bills stabilised and the wider economy stabilised to address rising unemployment and the threat to jobs and investment," he was due to say in his opening remarks.

"SNP success in Glenrothes will force the UK government to deliver a major programme to give help to hard-pressed families."



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  • Last Updated: 15 October 2008 11:44 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Canadian Jambo,

16/10/2008 00:15:24
Alex is a total chancer-(even though he is a Hearts' supporter.) How about a discussion on the 'real society,' complete with Sharia courts and segregated schools? Oh -maybe these are not 'real' issues.
2

ThomasP,

16/10/2008 00:22:02
#1

Hello there idiot,

I do believe many attend certain schools such as Catholic schools who are not of the catholic faith. Segregated? Far from it.

Please read up on it before you repeat the same rubbish.
3

famous 15,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 00:25:29
Alex Salmond is a ray of sunshine in a dark dismal world. Blair Brown and Bush have taken the world to its knees but there will be no "Falklands" rebound. We learned our lesson with Maggie Thatcher.
4

jimboo,

levenmouth 16/10/2008 00:41:34
#3. can I have some of what your on. The areas that voted labour are suffering under Grant he is the most right wing councillor I have met in Fife. Methil is being mugged,Thatcherite to the core. Just like eck.
5

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 16/10/2008 00:55:59
4
You kidding, Gordon Brown and Maggie Thatcher best of friends or even Gordon Brown Maggies love child
6

Richardinho,

16/10/2008 01:59:34
The recession is definitely coming. It's going to be every man for himself in the near future. We need someone to be fighting Scotland's corner in these difficult times.
7

Christina, Aberdeen,

16/10/2008 02:34:33
Labour still haven't learned the lesson.

You lost.

Get over it!
8

Bridged and tunnelled,

16/10/2008 04:29:28
Famous 15 - in AlexWorld, the brightest light shines from the man's own orifice. He has in him the seeds of his own destruction. Let's hope he doesn't take the rest of us with him.
9

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glassbenmhor,

16/10/2008 06:34:51
A wee word for all you Unionists,

Your not back in the Seventies with McCrone anymore,

The Genie is well and truly 'Oot o' the Bottle'

See you all at Glenrothes
13

Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 07:34:52
We all know what the SNP real issues are. They include;

Getting Mary Queen of Scots Bones back.

Getting the Saltire to fly higher than the Union Flag over Edinburgh Castle.

Getting the chessmen back.

Getting a Scottish entry into the Eurovision Song Contest.

Keeping segregation in schools.

Making sure our Muslim friends have hundreds of thousands of pounds for giant parties.

Etc etc
14

steve 1511,

aberdeen 16/10/2008 07:46:07
were doomed with broon, doomed
15

famous 15,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 08:53:52
#14 And also .more importantly unlike you and the tabloids think the SNP stands up for the real issues that concern Scotland like the economy,jobs,health,education and welfare. We need the SNP to stop Westminster stealing what we have left of worth in this wonderful little country and not Labour MP's rejoicing at the stumble of the Scottish Banks.
16

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 09:29:06
16 famous 15
"We need the SNP to stop Westminster stealing what we have left of worth in this wonderful little country"

How do you steal something by forking out £30bn for it?
17

Doh,

16/10/2008 09:46:22
Let us all hope that the cybernats dont hold too much influence at the conference.

Cancelling the trams is just the sort of boost that the construction industry needs now.

Wild promises to pump £100B into the Scottish banks, or £1b to cancel student debt - just raise expectations and lower trust.

Scotland needs
A little less talk and a little more action.
18

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 10:06:00
14

UK government the Liebour party with real policies:

War in Iraq
War in Afganistan
Plans for war in Iran
Plans for war in North Korea?
Selling off Scottish financial assets.
Increace terror threat to country.
Increace draconian police powers.
Total national surveillance.
ID cards.
Collect all personal data then pass it on to whoever wants it.
76bn on a Trident missle system never to be used.
Massive tax hikes on all forms of taxation.
New taxation proposals.
Complete privatisation including the NHS.
Increace in National debt
Increace in personal debt
Increace in inflation
Increace in unemployment.
Allow massive increaces in food.
Allow massive increaces in utility costs.
Hide increace in unemployment by only measuring certain criteria.
Hide inflation figures by only measuring certain criteria.
Introduce unrealistic immigration policies.
Decreace the value of the Barnett formula to Scotland.

Yes Rufus its clear as crystal what concerns you as an ordinary non affiliated voter.


19

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 10:07:24
18

Yes exactly the kind of action highlighted in post 19 eh? Liebour the party that cares what you think and acts accordingly.
20

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 10:13:30
You know there are just so many Liebour government commitments its just so difficult to list them all at once.

Illegal party funding.
Illegal personal campaign funding.
Attempting to rig elections.
Illegal arms deals.
Dishonest expense claims.
Cash for honours.
Cash for Questions.
Policy for cash.
Exemtions from policy for cash.

I will probably have to keep adding to this as the day goes along please feel free to join in.
21

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 10:18:06
17

By stealing the 30 billion from the country your trying to steal the assets from in the first place you grubby dishonest little lying troll who has never been to Edinburgh is his lying dishonest little life.
22

G,

dundy 16/10/2008 10:22:33
How about addressing these real issues!

Class sizes
Police numbers
Free school meals

All SNP promises, all not delivered

And while they're doing something, how about a referendum?
#22 I see the insults have started....the SNPites have already lost the srgument and reverting to type...
23

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 10:35:47
23

OK lets
SNP provided funds for new teachers to be trained.
SNP provided funds for 1000 new police officers.
SNP provided funding to allow free school meals

All commitments promised and delivered now what else have you got?
24

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 10:37:12
23

Referendum scheduled for 2010 as per the manifesto promise.

Now how about you addressing any one of the above Liebour party policies if you dare.
25

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Darien,

Panama 16/10/2008 11:04:12
There is nothing as depressing as the uncompromising and belligerent words of British Nationalists, more especially those of the Anglo-Scot variety, and their desire (if not crusade) to subjugate Scotland and her people. Glenrothes will tell you and your kind all you need to know about the way Scots now think.
27

Joe,

Nile Grove 16/10/2008 11:10:54
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2008-10-15a.785.3&s=speaker%3A12834#g791.6
Jim Devine: As my right hon. and learned Friend knows, the minimum wage
rose to £5.73 on 1 October. How many people will benefit throughout the
United Kingdom from that increase, which is another great achievement by this Labour Government? Is she aware that on the day of the vote on that, the Scottish National party did not turn up?
28

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 11:12:10
27

There are no anglo scot trolls on here none of em are Scots and I doubt if any of them has even set foot in Scotland. Its an orchastrated lie. Duncan fae Edinburgh Ugly george fae Edinburgh AM2 fae Glasgow all utter p*sh. These phuqs are not Scots they are all probably working from the same London Liebour office.
29

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 11:16:32
28

Yes how utterly true that is the greatest acheivement this scumbag government party has implemented is to make a national minimum wage set below the level of poverty and survival.
How the phuq a single mother is supposed to support her kids while working for 5.75 per hour while having to pay for a baby sitter and travelling expenses, lunch and suitable clothes to wear?

And yes you were right to highlight this as Liebours greatest acheivement to date.
30

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 11:23:11
31

Phuq off troll you have nothing absolutely nothing to offer.
31

MandyMac,

Glasgow 16/10/2008 11:56:26
Salmond was a banker the others lawyers I would guess they are all better equipped to deal with Guy + Maddonna's divorce than real issues facing Scotland.
32

The Tin Man,

16/10/2008 11:59:55
#32 boxospanners

Oh dear, Spanners, you have blown it with the naughty-words a bit on this thread - and you were doing so well. Well - better luck next time.

33

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 12:01:31
34

Oh come on you always lie long before I swear.
34

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 12:03:55
34

My swearing is directly proportional to your lying in fact I would go so far to say that my swearing is a direct result of your lying.
35

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 12:25:20
37

So would it be right for me to state that I disagree with all of your lies under all of your logons?
36

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 12:30:02
39

The problem seems to be that nobody is spending the money given to them by the SNP government or else they aint spending it on what they are supposed to be spending it on or they are spending it on what they are supposed to be spending it on and its the opposition parties who are lying about the lack of manifesto commitments being fulfilled.
37

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 12:32:04
40

You have just lied right there and then in post 40.
What "invisible amphibius trucks" are you on about?
I believe my claim was that oil arrives into Grangemouth by truck as well as pipeline wasnt it?
38

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 12:36:00
39

The Barnett block grant is paid for by NS oil and gas revenue and Scottish taxpayers money along with Scottish business taxation and Scottish VAT.
Whats left over is the amount the UK is subsidised by Scotland
39

Calvinist,

16/10/2008 13:46:35
Non-event of the year.
Enjoy it while the sun shines.
40

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 14:27:55
45

I found this much more intersting.

http://www.ineosopportunities.co.uk/grangemouth.html

As would any normal Scottish voter who isnt a london based party political troll trying far too hard to push Liebour party political lies and propaganda.

And now your telling us that no Crude oil arrives into Grangemouth by truck as well as by the pipeline from the forties is that right? amphibious or otherwise?
41

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 14:40:55
45

Or even this one.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/04/26/grangemouth-refinery-closure-sparks-panic-at-pumps-89520-20395009/

Or there is:

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2008-04/artikel-10640513.asp

Or even:
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/43385

What really takes my interest though is the sheer inconsistancy of the figures and stats. You have different sources telling us that Grangemouth takes in anywhere between a 1/4 and 1/2 of all UK oil production and the revenue lost by the strike was anywhere between 150 million to 50 million a day all depending of course on which government source the reporter got his info from.
The only consistant statistic appears to be the 700000 barrels a day. Funny that.
42

dude,

wishaw 16/10/2008 14:42:59
Why is it that all these unionist trolls harp on about SNP manifesto commitments, they are elected for a 4 years term, which means, wait for it, 4 years to deliver.

Times change and so do priorities, so they may have to think again about some of them, perfectly correct.

Also we get the odd clown who starts on about 'segregated schools' trying to bring in the usual bigots
43

Vote UKIP,

16/10/2008 14:46:31
UKIP is the real party for independence.
44

Vote UKIP,

16/10/2008 14:47:28
The SNP are just funny little people who drink Special Brew and go on about Braveheart.
45

dude,

wishaw 16/10/2008 14:47:33
the most infamous manifest by a scottish party from Joke himself " we will do less better "

hahahahahahahaAh!hahahaha
46

dude,

wishaw 16/10/2008 14:48:58
UKIP wierd little people who most think of as racists white supremist halfwits
47

dude,

16/10/2008 14:49:40
the most infamous manifesto statement by a scottish party from Joke himself " we will do less better "

hahahahahahahaAh!hahahaha
48

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 14:50:08
45

The 1,700 acre Grangemouth site, Scotland's only refinery, produces 200,000 barrels of oil a day.

But BP warned yesterday the dispute would force it to close its Forties North Sea oil pipeline which delivers almost a third of the UK's daily output. The pipeline, processed through Grangemouth, brings in up to 700,000 barrels of oil a day.

Closing the pipeline could cost an estimated £50million a day in lost production - with the Treasury taking half the hit through lost tax.

Much of the oil that flows through the Forties pipeline is exported and some experts believe the loss of production could force crude oil prices to fresh peaks.

Can you make any sense of that Smeagal?

There is such a large dark cloud over oil and gas production in the UK that nobody seems to be able to post consistant data and stats now why is that I wonder????
49

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 14:59:30
57

It is in one of the strike reports but if you doubt it why not just email them and ask?

BTW does that report at 56 no mean that the total oil per barrel passing through Grangemouth is in fact 900000 barrels per day with 700000 of it comming in from the pipeline from the Forties?
The report appears to suggest that the 200000 is produced at Grangemouth itself and is in fact seperate from the 700000 barrels per day brought in from the pipeline???
50

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:06:27
58

Could it in fact be that Grangemouth produces 200000 barrels a day which comes into and leaves by truck? and that 700000 barrels a day comes in by pipeline?
I mean I dont know I am trying to make sense of this new data which has suddenly appeared on the Web.
51

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:12:19
Smeagal

I am having real problems trying to fit in yer 1.6 billion barrels per annum into the equation.
It wont fit in with either 200000 700000 nor even 900000 barrels per day if you take into consideration the other government figure of only 400000 a day into Sullom Voe.
It suggests that the other 11 oil refineries only deal with less than 200000 barrels per day between them which would hardly be enough to justify keeping them open economically would it?
52

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:15:27
Smeagal

Sullom Voe in fact is the largest UK refinary and can handle up to 1.1 billion barrels per day yet the UK government tells us its only handling 400000 per day obviously it must be running at half strength and the rest have been laid off.
53

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:17:50
How does it go again Smeagal

Tum te tum???
54

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:21:07
#61 Smeagal
Sullom Voe does not and never has refined a single drop of North Sea Oil.
55

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:22:38
Smeagal

Tum te Tum.

63

And Edinburgh has never held a festival in its existance it was all down to the population of Edinburgh.
56

The Tin Man,

16/10/2008 15:24:01
#59 & #61 boxospanners

Sullom Voe is not an oil refinery (don't argue - look it up somewhere).

The difference in the liquid volume of crude oil going into a refinery, is larger than the liquid volume produced by the refinery due to the the chemical process (as you didn't do chemistry at school, you can also look that one up as well).

Anyway, you will be pleased that the government taxes the crude going in, not the refined products coming out.

57

The Tin Man,

16/10/2008 15:26:16
..actually it taxes both, but the oil tax you are refering to is on the crude going in.
58

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:27:10
64

You dont want to continue this as Smeagal anymore then?
Argue semantics if you want its the dodgy figures and stats you have to really get around.
And I have always argued that its crude thats taxed as revenue and refined thats taxed via VAT or sold to clients.
59

Darien,

Panama 16/10/2008 15:32:49
#65: "Anyway, you will be pleased that the government taxes the crude going in, not the refined products coming out."

Phew, and here's me thinking Gordon Superman BritNat Brown and his wee Darling scary eyebrows taxed petrol and diesel to the hilt!
60

Darien,

Panama 16/10/2008 15:35:36
#68: Scared Alex will turn yer Scotch oil aff doon sooth?
61

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:36:03
68

Over the fence???? I can picture it now 5000 men in a chain passing 200000 barrels of crude oil across no mans land and over a fence.
62

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:37:16
68

Did you email Grangemouth to ask about the trucks? and the fact that it was the strike by the TRUNK DRIVERS that was causing all the problems in the first place??
63

suchaparcelofrogues,

16/10/2008 15:37:38
72

Which should of course read TRUCK DRIVERS.
64

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:40:31
68

So Smeagal irrespective of how they pass the oil around Grangemouth does the UK government take in revenue on 700000 barrels a day or only 200000 barrels a day?
65

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:45:31
And Smeagal how does 200000 bpd or 700000bpd or even 900000bpd fit into yer 1.6bpa??
Assuming Grangemouth handles either half a third or a quarter of all UK oil production?
66

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 15:56:30
76

And only the 200000 is taxable is that the point behind all of this obscurity and sematics?
The point of where the pipeline terminates is hardly a reflection on the revenue taken in unless it terminates in somebody elses country does it?
Is Kinneil processing plant located in a foreign country?
67

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:02:05
78

So you didnt email the refinery to ask if trucks deliver crude oil? not refined mind you CRUDE.
68

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:03:30
Anyway Smeagal as usual your avoiding the main issue.
Is the UK government only collecting tax on 200000 barrels of oil a day or 700000 comming into "The Grangemouth area"????
69

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:09:17
81

Because if it doesnt fit in with known proven data then it cant be corroborated by an acceptable source.
In fact the acceptable source belays the 1.6bpa figure in fact it rubbishes it.
Now I would think thats important to its credibility dont you? as an ordinary Scottish voter and not a party poltically active troll?
70

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:12:46
81

Come on surely you can fit the 1.6bbpa into available govt statistics and data from all the refineries throughout the country??
71

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:15:23
85

The sources telling us that 700000bpd of crude comes into grangemouth.
72

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:15:56
85

its 700kbpd.
73

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:19:31
84

Can you or can you not match your 1.6bbpa with your own govt derived data and statistics from all the refineries in the UK?
74

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 16:24:37
No I didnt think you could. Thats the problem with lies they always untangle when you tell too many.
Oh what a tangled web we weave.
75

Allan(handofgod137),

16/10/2008 16:42:25
Message to all posters, stop critisising wee eck, his supporters get too upset when you interupt their circle jerk!
76

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 17:17:37
90

You tell me your the one who kicked off the discussion with the 200000bpd into Grangemouth what was your point? and have you managed to fit the 1.6bbpa into the data taken from the UK refirneries yet?
77

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 17:28:03
93

Of course crude arrives in Grangemouth by tanker why dont you phone them up and ask em yersell or email them like I suggested.
78

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 16/10/2008 17:32:33
93

"And I'd say the 1.636 kbd production number fits well with a refinery capacity of around 1.9 kbd and a demand of 1.7 kbd"

WTF are you waffling about now??????????
Your argument is not the capacity of one UK refinery but the entire UK oil production figure of 1.6bbper ANNUM.

Of course your not a troll.
79

Col. Blimp­IV*,

16/10/2008 18:24:47
I have this strange feeling of deja vu.
80

Col. Blimp­IV*,

16/10/2008 18:46:32
99

Do you have the 2007 figures for UK wheat production and a breakdown of where it all went, how much had to be imported, relative costs per bushel etc..etc..

I'm sure we would be enthralled.
81

Rufus T. Firefly,

16/10/2008 21:44:03
Hey Parcel, what do you think will happen first??

Mary Queen of Scots bones being returned, or Robert Mugabe replying to Alex Salmond's letter?
82

Conan the Librarian™,

16/10/2008 21:52:52
106
Neither; it's Rufus T. Firefly making a post which is funny.

In a non-peculiar way.
83

Alan Reid,

Warington 16/10/2008 23:30:49
The SNP, is the ONLY party really fighting Scotlands corner.

I see in the Daily mail that they are saying English taxpayers has bailed out the Scottish Banks, and therefore it's the noble charitable English that have once again saved Scotland's unworthy ungratefully sc@mbag residents, sigh! nothing changes.
84

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

17/10/2008 00:00:10
Focus on the real issues - he sound like NuLabour - which usually means don't talk about the things that are not going well - in this case don't talk about independence.

I have no doubt that this week has probably been the worst that the Nats have had to cope with since they were elected last year. It will see some sort of reassessment of how they sell independence to a primarily agnostic electorate. Less focus on other countries being independent and more detail on a post-independence Scotland.

 

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