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Published Date:
04 February 2008
THE future of Scottish bank-notes could be in doubt following proposed new measures to protect customers from failing financial institutions, it was claimed last night.
Clydesdale Bank, one of three banks allowed to print Scottish banknotes, has admitted it would have to consider whether to continue issuing notes north of the Border if the Treasury proposals get the go-ahead.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, ha
s also voiced fears over the move, claiming the changes posed the "biggest threat" to Scottish notes in more than 160 years. Under current laws, Clydesdale Bank, Royal Bank of Scotland and Bank of Scotland have to lodge funds with the Bank of England to cover the value of their notes, but only for three days of the week – the other four days they can be invested elsewhere, gaining millions of pounds in interest.

However, the new proposals, announced last week by Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, would require funds to be lodged with the Bank of England for the entire week.

A spokesman for Clydesdale Bank said it was "very concerned" about the potential impact of the proposals and was seeking a meeting with the Treasury. He added: "If this were to go ahead, it would force us to consider whether issuing bank-notes would be viable in the future, a position we do not want to be forced into."

A consultation on the measures, aimed at improving financial stability and protecting depositors, has been launched.

Mr Salmond said the changes could cost the Scottish and Northern Irish banks which issue their own notes a total of £100 million a year.

The First Minister said: "This is a dagger at the heart of Scottish bank-notes, which are a proud tradition in Scotland and hugely popular with the Scottish public. It would remove any advantage from issuing notes; therefore I am certain one or more of the banks would stop the notes issue."

He added: "Under the cover of a consultation on financial stability, the Treasury are launching a smash-and-grab at the Scottish note issue.

"What makes this a particularly underhand and shabby attempt is to cloak it in a document about financial stability. The Scottish banks are among the most stable financial institutions in the world."

Mr Salmond pledged that the Scottish Government would respond to the consultation in "the strongest terms", adding: "I think Alistair Darling should be hanging his head in shame that a Scottish Chancellor could allow his Treasury to attempt to undermine the Scottish note issue."

However, a Treasury spokesman said: "The changes outlined in the consultation document will ensure customers of Scottish and Irish banks are protected in the same ways as the rest of the UK's depositors, and will leave all British banks and their customers on a level playing field.

"The consultation proposes changes which will reduce the likelihood of individual banks facing difficulties, reduce the impact if, nevertheless, a bank gets into difficulties, and also provide effective compensation arrangements in which consumers have confidence – changes which as are important to Scottish banking customers as they are to those across the UK."

A spokesman for the Bank of Scotland said: "We understand the authorities are very comfortable with our approach to issuing banknotes."

A spokesman for the Royal Bank of Scotland refused to comment, but confirmed it would take part in the consultation.

TRADITION STRETCHES BACK 300 YEARS

THE Bank of Scotland became the first to issue notes north of the Border when it was founded in 1695.

Scots coinage had been in short supply and of uncertain value compared with the English, Dutch, Flemish or French coins, which were preferred by the majority of Scots.

Early notes were printed in black only. It was not until September 1777 that the Royal Bank of Scotland pioneered the use of colour in banknotes, with a blue rectangle displaying the words "One Guinea" and the King's head shown in red.

The Banknote (Scotland) Act was passed in 1845 and this act regulates today's note issue. Around £2.8 billion of Scottish banknotes are in circulation, split roughly equally between the three issuing banks.



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  • Last Updated: 03 February 2008 9:14 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Friar Tuck,

04/02/2008 00:17:47
Here's a suggestion - rename the Bank of England the "Bank of Britain" (which it really is). Maybe then the Scots wouldn't mind using British money and the Scottish banks would make more profit since they wouldn't have to print their own money. Or maybe Sotland should just switch to the Euro. While they're at it, they should rename the Queen "Queen Elizabeth I" since she is the first Queen Elizabeth of Britain!
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 00:18:00
Fantastic news, this should wake up some dosey Scots!
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Royster,

04/02/2008 00:22:18
#4 Bank of Britain sounds good to me. Personally, given current market conditions, I'd rather hold notes issued by the central bank than a commercial one. Wouldn't you?
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Macaroon Bar,

04/02/2008 00:32:04
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FrancesP,

04/02/2008 01:13:00
#2. If we joined the euro, we'd lose Scottish banknotes, but in place of that we'd gain a Scottish symbol on our euro coins. As it stands, if the Scottish banks are effectively forced to stop issuing banknotes, I hardly think the Treasury are going to allow us to mint our own coins instead. So I suspect that's what Salmond's "on about".
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AJM,

04/02/2008 01:15:08
AS has jumped in here with both feet.
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Senga Jean,

04/02/2008 01:15:28
Royster. I guess you are not Scottish because you instinctively wish the worst for Scotland. If you are Scottish ...be ashamed. Nonsense such as yours at such a fragile time is less than responsible. Yes I would be much happier if Scotland were in the Eurozone.
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Richardinho,

04/02/2008 01:18:36
Oh dear, this looks like becoming another 'nationalist shibboleth' where the Labour party decides to attack something with all their might not caring one jot for the detrimental effect on the Scottish people as a result.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 01:58:04
#14. Fail to see your argument. For one, these are not Scottish bank notes. They are issued by commercial banks based in Scotland. Bank of England notes, on the other hand, are backed in full by the UK state. I agree it is a shame about the name, which is an historical throwback, but they are safer than notes issued by Clydesdale Bank et al. I also guess you are not Scottish because you instinctively want what is worse for the people of Scotland like loss of sovereignty to Brussels.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 01:59:53
#12. So it's bye-bye to sovereignty for a thistle on a few Euro coins is it? You couldn't make this up.
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Navvy,

04/02/2008 02:01:33
ooo err macalba is an unhappy chappie

There are already Scottish symbols on pound coins

The bank of England was founded by a Scot

all paper money is inherently worthless, a mere promise to pay and many promissory notes have been dishonoured

Darling has taken the high road to London where he has lost his native phlegmatic approach and learned to close doors after horses have bolted. Northern Rock was built on shifting sand. Which government presided over the demutualization process? Which government continued that process? Would a mutual society have gone into the subprime smoke?

Is ther a comment forthcoming from Ulster since presumably their note issuing banks are to be similarly affected?
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Navvy,

04/02/2008 02:01:51
ooo err macalba is an unhappy chappie

There are already Scottish symbols on pound coins

The bank of England was founded by a Scot

all paper money is inherently worthless, a mere promise to pay and many promissory notes have been dishonoured

Darling has taken the high road to London where he has lost his native phlegmatic approach and learned to close doors after horses have bolted. Northern Rock was built on shifting sand. Which government presided over the demutualization process? Which government continued that process? Would a mutual society have gone into the subprime smoke?

Is there a comment forthcoming from Ulster since presumably their note issuing banks are to be similarly affected?
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Royster,

04/02/2008 02:01:57
#9. LOL.
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Edward,

04/02/2008 02:02:19
Royster actually resides in Yorkshire, so Scottish Bank notes dont really have any effect on him/her
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FrancesP,

04/02/2008 02:06:22
#17. Ahem! You'll have to explain this to me, because I'm a bit dim - precisely what sovereignty does Scotland actually have to lose? Would that be the sovereignty that "rests with me as an English MP and that's the way it will stay" as Tony Blair so memorably put it?

You're right, I couldn't make this up. But apparently you could.
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Edward,

04/02/2008 02:06:43
#12 FrancesP
Actually you have a good point there
If Scotland was to be in the eurozone and issue its own Euro coins, they would be in use right accross europe! As Scots spend them on holiday in France, Spain Germany etc, they would circulate over all member countries. So the symbols of Scotland would be in everyones pockets
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FrancesP,

04/02/2008 02:06:44
#17. Ahem! You'll have to explain this to me, because I'm a bit dim - precisely what sovereignty does Scotland actually have to lose? Would that be the sovereignty that "rests with me as an English MP and that's the way it will stay" as Tony Blair so memorably put it?

You're right, I couldn't make this up. But apparently you could.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 02:07:17
Dear Nats, I'm offering to exchange Bank of Royster 10 pound notes with a lovely thistle and William Wallace drawn on them in felt-tip pen for those nasty UK state Bank of England ones. The exchange rate is 1-for-1.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 02:07:21
Dear Nats, I'm offering to exchange Bank of Royster 10 pound notes with a lovely thistle and William Wallace drawn on them in felt-tip pen for those nasty UK state Bank of England ones. The exchange rate is 1-for-1.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 02:07:28
Dear Nats, I'm offering to exchange Bank of Royster 10 pound notes with a lovely thistle and William Wallace drawn on them in felt-tip pen for those nasty UK state Bank of England ones. The exchange rate is 1-for-1.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 02:07:29
Dear Nats, I'm offering to exchange Bank of Royster 10 pound notes with a lovely thistle and William Wallace drawn on them in felt-tip pen for those nasty UK state Bank of England ones. The exchange rate is 1-for-1.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/02/2008 03:27:06
#25 to #29 Groundhog Day was the other day. Maybe the Yorkshire air has affected your solitary brain cell.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 04:09:07
It just shows how risky these commercial bank notes actually are compared to central bank notes. I wasn't aware the funds were only lodged with the Bank of England for only 3 days of the week. I now understand why some retailers won't take them - though I would have no probem.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 05:32:52
Under the current system, residents of Scotland are taking on extra risk by holding these notes and allowing banks to make a profit by investing the extra cash not held at the Bank of England. But if that is what Alex Salmond wants.
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An Beal Bacht,

04/02/2008 06:27:01
I'd like to see a Central Bank of Scotland with the ability to mint its own coins, print its own notes, and set interest rates for Scotland. If it's no Scottish it's crap!
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Iain fae Elgin,

04/02/2008 07:33:20
"...that a Scottish Chancellor...."

Erm, no. He's a Scotsman who is a British chancellor.
Like it or not.
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Liam,

04/02/2008 07:35:56
Time we were in the Euro anyway. We really need to learn to get less emotionally attached to bits of paper. No doubt if Salmond had his way we'd all be looking at his ghastly mugshot on our fivers!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 04/02/2008 07:42:26
This seems fairly straightforward and shouldn't really be a question of the constitutional make up of the UK, although I'm sure the SNP will attempt to make it one.
Surely the point here is that it's better for currency to be controlled by the democratically accountable state than private companies? That must be a preferable way to go, especially after seeing how the spivs and chancers in the financial sector have so spectacularly made a mess of things.
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Jimmy the Pie,

04/02/2008 07:44:14
Ask Wendy what banknotes she would prefer her 'donations' in? She might surprise everyone and insist on gold - the only 'safe' currency. (Well it was until Broon had his cut-price gold sale - prudent!)
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Hugo of Garven,

04/02/2008 07:51:41
Did Northern Rock issue banknotes?
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Mirrorman,

In Sanity 04/02/2008 08:10:09
#9

You forgot the punchline...I take it that was a joke?
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paulr,

edinburgh 04/02/2008 08:14:06
Friar tuck, if you want to bend over for some Greek/german/english so called royal, then you go for it.
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Dark,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 08:16:41
What is the advantage of having Scottish notes and why does Salmond say it would cost Scottish & N. Irish banks £100m a year?

Surely not having to issue their own notes would save the banks money?
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An Beal Bacht,

04/02/2008 08:21:07
38 Grahamski;

I agree - Stop these buccaneers from issuing bank notes. This should be the sole province of The Central Bank of Scotland! It's our country, our economy, our future. Not for Sale!
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Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 04/02/2008 08:24:55
Telt ye all only the other day, didn't I.?
Scotland only gets,..'Tread upon'!
We ARE the race that always says............
'YES SIR,..NO SIR,...THREE BAGS FULL,..SIR'
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An Beal Bacht,

04/02/2008 08:56:17
45 Charles Linskaill:

You are so yesterday!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 04/02/2008 09:02:23
#44
Agreed, as soon as the people of Scotland want independence that's exactly what should happen. In the meantime I take it you accept the idea of Bank of The UK?
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moiaussi,

04/02/2008 09:06:57
The Bank of England should have changed its name 300 years ago. If they abolish Scottish notes then we'll, end up with Bank of England - that will be a popular move won't it? Shows how clueless the likes of Brown are.
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GrahamL,

04/02/2008 09:08:00
#43 Shockingly, I think thats a teensy bit of spin from Alec. It'll cost £100m if the banks continue to produce the notes - as they won't have the 4 days a week of investing the deposit money that they do now. But I would have thought that, yes, they'll make money from not having to print them or deposit any money with the BoE.
I'd be surprised if the boards of any of the Scottish banks are losing much sleep over this proposal!
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/02/2008 09:32:21
The Scottish Banks could just deposit money for the whole week with the Bank of England as long as it was willing to pay interest on that money. Seeing as how The Bank of Englands competence has been called into question recently over the Northern Rock affair (50 Billion and counting)I would suggest LIBOR +2% to reflect the risk the Scottish Banks would be taking.
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Media 1,

cape town 04/02/2008 09:35:24
Everyday that goes by sees Salmond embarrass Scotland a little more! The Liberator Salmomd is losing the plot, he really needs to put the anti English sentiment to bed now, its pathetic.
Doing away with the Scottish note is not a bad idea at all, and it will offer more protection!
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 09:44:58
49. EXACTLY.

This is typical SNP. Take half the facts and spin a huge conflict with the 'big bad union' about it.

It costs the banks millions (~£100m a week going by Salmond's own 'figures') to print notes which they could instead invest as they wish.

Salmond is basically fighting to stop Scottish banks investing as they see fit.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/02/2008 09:54:39
#54 Highland Mighty
The 100 million pounds a week is the lost interest on the 2.8 Billion pounds that would have to be deposited with the Bank of England. It is in fact another example of the English taking advantage of the Scots and giving nothing in return. You yourself could probably get the Bank of England to let you issue Notes as long as you where willing to maintain an equivalent amount on deposit with them on which you would receive no interest.
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Gee Dee,

Midlothian 04/02/2008 09:56:21
SCOTSMAN - Stop the music Please, when I read My paper I don't switch the radio or Tv on, so why do I want a fanfare everytime I open a new page
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 09:57:26
56. So if they didn't have to print their own notes, could the banks invest this £2.8bn (of OUR money)elsewhere? Perhaps in the global financial markets where they could actually make some, you know, profit?
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 10:02:29
56. At what point will the SNP Screamers admit that Salmond is trying to pick yet another petty fight that would actually cost Scottish banks millions a week if he got his way?
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GrahamL,

04/02/2008 10:03:41
#58 Precisely. I would imagine very one of the banks involved has considered stopping producing their own banknotes at one point or another, but decided the bad publicity isn't worth the savings (it's £100m a year by the way - across all Scottish and Northern Irish banks, so pretty insignificant numbers in terms of banking profits). This move would give them the excuse they need to stop producing them altogether, and they'll be able to blame it all on the English. Everyone's a winner...
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 10:19:03
61. Well done for missing the point completely.

But excellent use of the SNP database (aka Wikipedia) for your post.

First class. Truly.
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 10:20:09
Grahamski (38): "Surely the point here is that it's better for currency to be controlled by the democratically accountable state than private companies?"

Why? The history of state-controlled currencies was woeful for most of the post-WWII period. It's not clear to me that private companies are intrinsically less reliable providers of currency.
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Webbie,

mullingar 04/02/2008 10:26:12
If Scottish/NI banks print notes based on the money invested with the BoE then these notes have value, the BoE print notes based on a numeric limit to funds ratio and so these notes do not have the value printed on them.
3 days a week the Scottish/NI notes have full value or no days of the week BoE notes are full value, which are more secure?
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Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 04/02/2008 10:27:27
Wendy doesn't care where the notes come from so long as she doesn't have to reveal who has given them to her. She never intentionally ever says "no thank you"!!!!
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 10:29:19
KampungHighlander (56): "The 100 million pounds a week is the lost interest on the 2.8 Billion pounds that would have to be deposited with the Bank of England. It is in fact another example of the English taking advantage of the Scots and giving nothing in return."

The Bank of England also maintains currency reserves for Sterling on which it cannot gain interest: this is one of the prices paid for a stable currency. The Scottish issuing banks are therefore being treated equitably: the Bank of England receives deposits and, in return, grants the right to print an agreed quantity of notes.
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 10:40:06
Webbie (65): "3 days a week the Scottish/NI notes have full value or no days of the week BoE notes are full value, which are more secure?"

There's an easy way to find out: the Scottish issuing banks can continue to issue their promissory notes under their own names and end the practice of keeping reserves of Sterling at the Bank of England. Their notes would cease to be pounds Sterling and would then be separate currencies.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/02/2008 10:43:36
#58 and #59
You are so naive about how Banks work. Banks don't make money from the funds on deposit(OUR money). They make their money from all the transaction charges and management fees. Banks don't pay enough money to attract people with the skills to make money from "Financial Markets". Every time they try to make money from Financial Markets it ends up an unmitigated disaster. A classic example is the US subprime fiasco. The banks where the dummies who ended up holding all this worthless paper. That was because, for the salaries that they pay, they end up with sub standard talent. If you where a smart person who knew how to make money in financial markets would you want a job at a Bank, where you will never make more than a million pounds a year. Or would you rather work for a Hedge Fund where you could make Hundreds of millions.
That is why banks don't make money from financial markets, they don't have a remuneration structure that would attract the proper talent. The Headline for this story should read "Darling demands Scottish Banks give BofE interest free loan"
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Black & White Triumph,

Greenhill road.....soon 04/02/2008 10:45:50
lets get away completely, independence now and forever, lets make our own way at least when we argue amongst oursleves it will be for the betterment of Scotland.
We must join the Euro, we must be able to trade fairly in the modern world without being disadvantaged using the pound.
Scotland needs to get our Parliament with teeth toi bite for ourselves.
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 10:51:32
63. "Why? The history of state-controlled currencies was woeful for most of the post-WWII period."

Compared to what? Aren't ALL currencies 'state-controlled'?
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 10:56:22
73. Yep, he's another ex-pat nat.

The vast majority of the nats on this board (and the only time the nats are in any majority) live overseas - specifically in the USA, Canada, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Austria, France and Switzerland.

Very few actually live in Scotland.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 04/02/2008 10:59:23
High time we joined the euro and ended this type of nonsense.
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Publius,

London 04/02/2008 11:01:02
A few points
(1) Banknotes (Euro, sterling or Scottish) will go out of fashion sooner rather than later. Plastic will take over.
(2) What is reported is a consultation exercise involving several issues about consumer protection besides Scottish banknotes. Consumer protection against banks is important, especially given the fall in the value of all banks during the last few months.
(3) Running scare stories about Scottish banknotes is hardy annual, always good for a few pungent comments from Alex and the SNP.
(4) Does anyone remember that Scottish banks carried on printing pound notes long after the Bank of England had abandoned them? For years it was said that Scots preferred dirty, tatty pound notes to the 'English' pound coins. That only showed the contempt in which big banks held their customers.
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 11:05:20
Highland Mighty (74): "Compared to what? Aren't ALL currencies 'state-controlled'?"

Historically no, although I agree that states have usually imposed monetary control. To give one interesting example, the Roman Republic allowed monetary control to remain localized in many areas of its rule. However, I'm primarily thinking of the much more stable period of gold/silver based money before WWII. After WWII, western states generally abused their control of the money supply, producing massive inflation, and it is this abuse (from, say, the 1950s until the 1980s) that I have in mind.
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 11:07:27
77. Good point re the end of currency!

Credit and chip/pin purchases are now all-but universal which makes this 'debate' all-but irrelevant.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 11:07:37
2. spot on! it's the fact that he and everyone else in Scotland would have to use English notes,and brought in by a scotsman as well
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kimba,

04/02/2008 11:20:38
80. What you fail to address is the many elderly people in the country who still prefer to use cash,so this debate is not at all irrelevant
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 11:27:45
Rulesbutnotrulers (83): "Under 'independence' no Scottish notes at all since we'll have the Euro anyway."

Even if Scotland became a new EU member state immediately at independence, there would be a qualification period before joining the Euro. In the interim, it would be natural to recreate the Pound Scots, together with a new Scottish central bank.
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RogerC,

Lyme Regis 04/02/2008 11:29:54
Re. MacAlba
Oh Dear. Another tartan twit with an inferiority complex and a pan load of chips on his shoulder. Why don't you sad people come to terms with the fact that Britain is Great because it comprises all the parts of our small island. If you want to be involved in tribal warfare, perhaps you should go and live in Kenya.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 04/02/2008 11:36:38
Roger C @ 85

MacAlba will be an uber-patrotic, nationlistic, tartan swathed expat who doesn't deign to live in Scotland. You can always tell by the time they post and how much vitriol and lunacy they display.

Re: the banknotes - whoever's face is on them and whatever national symbols they display - one thing is for sure you need more and more of them to live in New Labour Land.
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 11:42:50
86. "Re: the banknotes - whoever's face is on them and whatever national symbols they display - one thing is for sure you need more and more of them to live in New Labour Land."

Amen to that!

Any more ready to vote for the only true tax-cutting party (as opposed to the tax-centralising SNP)?
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Publius,

London 04/02/2008 11:48:34
#84 Fairfax
You write "Even if Scotland became a new EU member state immediately at independence, there would be a qualification period before joining the Euro. In the interim, it would be natural to recreate the Pound Scots, together with a new Scottish central bank."

No it wouldn't: it would cost a fortune to create a new central bank with the Scots pound as a new currency, let the Scots pound float against all other currencies for a year or two, then fix its value against the Euro, wait for two more years (as the European Central Bank would require) and then join the Euro.
Not even SNP envisages doing this. SNP policy is to stick with the pound sterling (thus leaving Scottish monetary policy under English control) and then join the Euro directly. The European Central Bank probably won't allow this, because it requires a new entrant to fix the value of its currency against the Euro for a period - usually two year - first.
The SNP's policy on currency (and thus monetary policy)is very weak indeed. It is no wonder that the SNP shouts loudly about symbols such as Scottish banknotes.

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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 11:49:57
Joanna#86,

Don't you think Scots everywhere would be quite within their rights, to start burning Union Jacks and vandalising the Royal apartments at Holyrood Palace if Darling's idea comes to fruition?
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 11:50:35
Ah, which SNP ranter went running to 'teacher' about my offer to sell 100 'Salmonds' for each pound?

Was it because I described each of my shiny new 'Salmonds' as a "handpainted Scottish Salmon with the face of our Great Leader (praise him, O' praise him) imprinted on the fish's derriere"?

If so, I apologise to the poor little mite who was so utterly offended.
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Turkey Jerky,

04/02/2008 11:52:18
KampungHighlander #70

You are the naive one. Banks create money based on the amount they have deposited. Its called the fractional reserve requirement. usually around 9:1.

This means that for every 1 pound they have deposited they are legally able to loan 9 pounds against the depositors money that they hold.

This money is created from the debt (thin air) that is incurred by the loan taker.

So if the bank of england holds £2.8 billion of scottish deposits they can then loan an additional £25.2 billion to debtors. The interest on this is huge money. Also, if this loan money is then deposited in a BoE account they can then lend against a fraction of that deposit as well.

Learn some economic theory. This is an excuse to hand over vast financial power to ENgland.
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 11:53:13
89. Plot, lost?

Just laughing at the image of a dozen spotty teenagers standing in the street, shouting at a burning Union Jack....while passers-by wearily shake their heads before carrying on with their shopping.
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Turkey Jerky,

04/02/2008 11:57:56
Highland Mighty (74): "Compared to what? Aren't ALL currencies 'state-controlled'?"

I will re-iterate the point made previously that NO, the state does not control the currency, banks DO, the state simply supports the bank by saying that their currency is valid legally as payment for any debt. It is a FIAT that they issue.

Has anyone ever wondered why the government pays private institutions interest on loans based on the monies they legally ratify. If the government didn't pay interest on it then they could be said to control the currency.
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Hermitage,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 12:00:14
The Bank of Scotland may well be the oldest bank in Scotland, but since it was taken over by the Halifax Building Society, is a mere shadow of its former self.

I should know---I worked for Bank of Scotland for 25 years, and from what I hear from ex-colleagues, it wouldn't matter one jot whether or not it still issues its own notes. All the power and the money is held down south.

Clydesdale Bank? Scottish in name only.

You are clutching at straws if you think issuing Scottish banknotes is going to make any difference.

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kimba,

04/02/2008 12:02:58
#89 dont you think we would be in our rights to ram an egg plant up your kilt. becasue your idea is just as stupid as that one, it has all the mentality of a 13 year old ned who drinks white lightning on a street corner. money is money, who cares what it looks like, your all saying you are getting the euro anyway, so why the long face.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 04/02/2008 12:16:29
AJ @ 89

Too much Buckie again?

Tut, tut ... you promised me that you'd lay off it after the last time!

Now stop these pyrotechnic fantasies you keep having - you know you can't be trusted around a naked flame .... you'll burn your fingers again and anything else that may be in the vicinity.

If, however, you're planning on burning English banknotes - just send them to me and I'll be happy to take care of them for you :))
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 12:22:05
Publius (88): "No it wouldn't: it would cost a fortune to create a new central bank with the Scots pound as a new currency"

It would be costly, but they will have other costs usually associated with a central bank, such as selling bonds. I suppose these tasks might be outsourced to commercial banks, instead, but it's not clear that this would be cheaper. Still, if Brown and Darling can outsource the Treasury to Goldman Sachs to deal with Northern Rock, then perhaps there would be little difference . . .
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 12:39:13
Joanna,

Aha, do you think am that mental Hen? Burning Union Jacks is wan thing, but destroying Bank of England notes would be an insult to the memory of the Scot who founded your bank!;)

Kimba,

A've telt ye before...am only 13!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 12:42:39
#98 i can well believe you are 13 you have the mental capacity of a 13 year old. no i'm sorry that is an insult to 13 year olds.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 12:44:20
#99 what the hell has that got to do with anything.
You need you independence before that, and that isnt as cut and dry as you think it is.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 12:44:57
who cares about Tony Blair??
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Fairfax,

04/02/2008 12:45:38
AJ Fife (98): "destroying Bank of England notes would be an insult to the memory of the Scot who founded your bank!"

Paterson also conceived the Darien scheme, so his financial judgment was not always good . . .
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Publius,

London 04/02/2008 12:45:48
#97 Fairfax

I think the main costs would not be in selling bonds, but in establishing (a) an appropriate value for a Scottish pound and (b) a credible monetary policy.
(a) VALUE OF THE POUND. It is not at all clear whether a Scottish pound would rise against the pound sterling and Euro - or fall - or whether we would want it to rise or fall. The current price of oil suggests that a Scottish pound would rise sharply, but Scottish employment depends heavily on manufactured exports which a high pound would make uncompetitive. Also a lot of service companies (banking, distribution, on-line ordering etc) are UK-wide. They could easily shut down their Scottish operations and move the work to the south.
(b) MONETARY POLICY. Monetary policy might be easier. If the natural tendency of the Scottish pound was upwards, the Scottish central bank could perhaps reduce interest rates without risking inflation. But there would be unforseeable side effects.

One other point. Other currencies will move about too. For about 90 years there has been a recurring cycle. First the dollar moves, then the pound sterling, then the European currencies(now Euro). In the last year or two the dollar has fallen followed by the pound. An open question is whether the cycle has now been broken. That is the 64,000 dollar question. If I know the answer I would know whether I wanted the prize in dollars, Euros or whatever!
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 12:48:35
kimba#100,

That really really hurt! You say the most nasty and hateful things. You've put me right aff ma English lit exam.

Nevermind, it's leafpiece time and there's a rare game o' commandies startin', and am a Jerry tae day!
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 12:52:33
Fairfax#105,

Paterson was ahead of his time, attempting to create a trading colony between Europe, the New World and the East Indies, in the isthmus of Panama!

Great idea until it was sabotaged by the English!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 12:59:48
108, we aren't talking about iraq!
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Royster,

04/02/2008 12:59:52
#61. Looks like RBS is about to go cap in hand to the shareholders and do a rights issue. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 13:04:32
#61. Reuters is saying RBS may need to raise US$20 billion to bolster its damaged balance sheet... Oops. Sounds like rogue trader Jerome Kerviel has just found a part time job. Anyone for true blue RBS Scottish bank notes?
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Royster,

04/02/2008 13:13:32
#70. I think all banks world-wide have to place interest free deposits with the relevant central bank. It's called reserve requirements. It basically proves that you are a bank as opposed to, say, a corner shop.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:14:59
The Scottish banks are a part of Scottish identity and as long as we use Sterling they need to be protected.

Westminster Labour have already called for a British football team at the Olympics which could well lead to the elimination of our country's participation at international level.

Clearly everything Scottish is an inconvenience, London knows best and we should all be happy to be run from there. Salmond is right to raise this point and Alastair Darling is either deliberately undermining Scotland's banks or is completely incompetent.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 13:15:58
#74. During the Elizabethan era you had pieces of eight, florins, marks etc all trading freely. All were freely accepted and traded accordingly.
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Neale,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 13:16:21
If Scots/Brits went to any other country and they issued 8 kinds of notes YES 8 KINDS! In our case BofE, RBS, Clydesdale Bank, and 4 issuers in Northern Ireland we would cry foul and call them small minded Monopoly money users, but we do that to ourselves and to poor tourists. Its a silly system that should be centralised with one British note, until the Eurpo comes in that is. Poor shopkeepers; how do they ever spot fakes with so many different notes in circulation.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 04/02/2008 13:24:39
"Alastair Darling is either deliberately undermining Scotland's banks or is completely incompetent."

I vote for completely incompetent.

AJ @ 109

If they'd let Paterson play (properly) on Sunday - you might have had a better chance against those 'demm Frenchies'. Oh, sorry not that Paterson - one track mind I'm afraid - must be the thighs ;)
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Geomac 1,

Kinross 04/02/2008 13:32:14
Yet another whinge? I just wish that I had more of any kind of currency!!
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 13:32:19
Joanna#122,

No wonder Paterson got dropped! The knowledge of having one very horny housewife from Cambridgeshire watching his every move, must've tortured the poor bloke!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 13:32:29
116. NO,but we are not discussing iraq, we are discussing bank notes! or the lack of Scottish ones
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Boggle fey the Bog,

04/02/2008 13:36:44
#19 The Bank of Scotland was founded by an Englishman

What does it matter banknotes are NOT legal tender!!Anywhere in the United Kingdom of Scotland,England and Northern Ireland (note Wales is not a Kingdom), NOT even Bank of England notes, strange, but true.

However, if the treasury require that the deposits be left in for the full week than they should pay the interest, thereby ensuring the continuance of Scottish banknotes, in fact they should pay interest for all 'deposits'held as surety in the Bank of England.

Or is this just another scam by the politacally and morally bankrupt Nu Labour/Owld Torie party to get Scotia to subsidise England even more!!!

Latest figures: 25% of Scottish children are officially living in poverty (BBC Scottish News 13.30 today)

It's Past Time!!!
Get these crims our now!!!
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Rossco69,

Work 04/02/2008 13:38:52
Pardon me for being naive but this new regulation (which the comment board seems to have moveed away from and into the usual nat (never scottish domiciled either) attack on anyone who speaks out against their dear leader.

Does this regulation not now affect all banks including the bank of england? Surely, yes, since they issue their notes backed up by their own reserves, which the Scottish/(n)irish (as well folks) need to bank up by reg'ing funds at the BofE anyway, this will only level the field between the various banks. All banks are under the same regulation anyway so i fail to see how this will "marginalise" any Scottish or (N)Irish Banknote Issuers. In anycase, this will act as a good lever to curb inflation by restricting the money supply slightly, whilst forcing the hand of banks to tighten up any reckless lending/investing they may do.

All in all, when you think about it, and remove the "downtrodden-scot under his english imperialist oppressor" attitude it can only serve good practise to the whole banking system of the uk.

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Rossco69,

@Work 04/02/2008 13:40:26
The Genuine Mario Antoinette, you and I seem to be one of the few people here who appreciate the sentiment
-----------------------------------------------------
The Genuine Mario Antoinette,04/02/2008 13:22:40
Let me see, Tomorrow Headline erm something along the lines of

"something happens in england which undermines scottishness"

repear ad infinitum.

The sheer frustration is overwhelming.

-----------------------------------------


Good man
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The Answer,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 13:41:00
How do you define a Scottish Bank Note?

Clydesdale for example is owned by National Australia Bank Group.

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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 13:42:45
Oh forgot this.

Ever noticed that when trying to change cash abroad, that only BofE notes are accepted? Thats because they are permanently backed by the bank, not on the 3 day premised as current scottish/(n)irish notes are.

Surely you gNats would like to be able to change your precious scottish notes abroad? Is the lack of this facility not "a sign of the imperialist and undermining actions by the BofE"?

Well then, this regulation will remove this obstacle
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yoric,

04/02/2008 13:54:59
And their's me thinking that Alex Salmond was waiting for the right opportunity to adopt the Euro for Scotland.
'The biggest threat to Scottish notes in 160 years' is the SNP wanting to forge closer links with the EU.
Don't see how you can get "closer" to the EU without adopting the currency.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 13:55:09
#131 how come you nats now want to british.
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Bascule,

in Manchester today 04/02/2008 13:58:00
Let's be the first element of the UK to issue Euros. All marked with Scottish emblems. Then we can get on with being a grown up nation instead. I have the pleasure of regularly visiting a recent EU member state. They switched to the Euro almost overnight.

This argument reminds me of small shops who won't accept debit cards. They lose.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/02/2008 14:00:28
"but only for three days of the week – the other four days they can be invested elsewhere, gaining millions of pounds in interest."

What a scam, three days in an english bank!

Independence, NOW
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Turkey Jerky,

04/02/2008 14:01:54
#131 Wrong

Rossco69,

You are mistaken I am afraid. The bank of england does need to keep its deposits in its own reserve (i.e. control). The problem is that they are given the right to use the scottish money to create more money by way of loans as described in my previous posts.

By create I mean from thin air write more money onto the planet. to the order of 25 billion pounds. This money the scottish banks cannot use themselves for the same type of monetary magic.

It does not restrict money supply, it enables greater debts to be created. And it shifts the power of money to England alone.

The reason that more places abroad (not all, the USA has exchanged my scottish notes on many occasions)accept english notes is that they know, as we all know that England holds the Power over all the U.K. mostly to the detriment of the union members.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 14:04:42
#136 i think you have got the wrong end of the stick, the bank of scotland can invest its money in anywhere for the other 4 days, not in a english bank
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Lock,

04/02/2008 14:11:45
Does anyone on here have any clue at all? Obviously a great many of you have acquired their financial and economic expertise in the pub or the bookies. I have always said that Economics should be compulsory at schools.

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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 14:12:48
Actually turkey you are the wrong one here

the BofE does in effect holds its own reserves because it manages the reserves of the United Kingdom. These vastly exceed the narrow money supply.

The BofE backs up its own moneys with its reserves and supplies of bullion and foreign reserves.

Banks are by their nature, risk averse, and as such do not like lending money where not appropriate (the current credit crisis was due to some ill managed decisions but as a whole is very stable). THis is why you and i have credit ratings etc. They are not going to do anything silly with your or my money.

By banking reserves with the BofE this is only going to further enhance their risk averse attitudes.

Other countries do not accept scottish notes because they are not backed by the BofE (aka the State bank), which means their value may change over a few days, however little this may be. THe BofE notes are inherently backed by the state.

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The Answer,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 14:13:15
Bank of Scotland ?

Would that be Halifax Bank of Scotland?

And just where is Halifax located?
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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 14:14:22
139:Lock

yes i agree - people should perhaps learn a little economics 101 at school

If they can, a degree would help :-D
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kimba,

04/02/2008 14:16:15
141. HALIFAX IS IN WEST YORKSHIRE
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The Answer,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 14:19:59
Maybe the "Halifax" in Halifax Bank of Scotland referes surely to Halifax Nova Scotia, Canada!
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 14:26:15
The sooner the Scottish banks are prevented from issuing their own notes the sooner the sh*t will hit the fan. It should bring forward seperation by a good couple of years!

Well done Darling!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 14:26:25
YOU MAY WANT TO GO AND READ THIS WEBSITE.

http://www.hbosplc.com/abouthbos/History_Halifax.asp

HALIFAX IS IN WEST YORKSHIRE, WHERE THE HALIFAX BUILDING SOCIETY WAS FORMED.

IDIOT
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kimba,

04/02/2008 14:27:55
AJ STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR REAR END, AS SCOTLAND CANNOT SEPERATE ON ITS OWN, AS YOU CANNOT SEPERATE FROM THE UNION ON YOUR OWN. IT WOULD IN EFFECT TAKE LONGER TO SEPERATE THE UNION IF THIS HAPPENED.
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BMeister,

04/02/2008 14:30:33
#130 Rossco69

You're wrong there, I was in the United Sataes in July and they took Scottish notes without question, same in lots of places in Europe in my experience. London is one of the few places I have had problems doing so.
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Jock 107,

Sterling 04/02/2008 14:35:38
We should get our own currency, not Euro not £. The Irish one was called the punt, because it rhymed with bank manager
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Sgurr,

04/02/2008 14:46:28
is that the tea bell jingling at 70 Norton Road???
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kimba,

04/02/2008 14:49:09
150.Think you'll find it's the bell signalling the end of scottish bank note.
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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 14:51:14
148 BMeister

I wasnt prescriptive about the locations where cashing Scottish notes would take place, others here alluded to where they had no hassle.

Granted many places do take them without hassle, but there are many places where you simply cannot do it and are advised to take BofE notes if you must take cash. China, for one, (including Hong Kong) will not change scottish notes.

But then why would you want to when you can use your ATM Card?
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kimba,

04/02/2008 14:53:29
152. Think you'll find the elderly still use cash.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 15:01:52
#154 i remember that, it was your mother she came down and did a wee dance and she would only accept scottish notes.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

04/02/2008 15:07:55
This sort of debate shows how insular we are as a country. Probably the second biggest event this year in the global political calendar and it is ignored by most posters. The US elections whether we like it or not are going to have a far greater influence on us than anything Mssrs Salmond or Brown do.
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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 15:08:24
153 kimba

oh for petes sake read my post in context and stop taking it out of context

so when elderly people go abroad they take large wedges of notes with them do they?
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Sgurr,

04/02/2008 15:08:33
my mother? that would be a good trick, given that she's been dead these past 35 years...still, if thats what passes as comedy at 70 Norton Road mental health community care centre/legal counsel office then so be it.
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BMeister,

04/02/2008 15:10:28
152 Rossco69

OK fair enough, although I'm pretty sure you get an extra charge for using an ATM abroad though?
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kimba,

04/02/2008 15:11:27
#158 no i was just saying some elderly people dont use atm cards and just take cash with them.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 15:11:44
#159 grow up and stay on topic
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pie12345,

Ayrshire 04/02/2008 15:16:10
There seems to be a misconception that Bank of England pays interest on the money which has to be lodged by the Scottish and NI banks. Wrong!!

Bank of England pays no interest to the banks for the funds they cover their banknotes with. It is the sole area where this exists as all other Bank of England accounts and indeed collateral held or lodged can be interest bearing. If the Treasury wish to boost consumer protection then at least make it on the same rules that apply to Bank of England funds lodged by banks south of the border and make it a level playing field of interest bearing balances.

This is nothing but a £100m raid to boost Treasury coffers under the guise of financial stability. Any connection between them giving up £200m in Capital Gains Tax climbdown last week?
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DJRoster,

Scotland 04/02/2008 15:21:01
Be as well having English notes, due to the fact that a few foreign countries don't accept Scottish notes whilst on holiday, what difference is it going to make anyway as you still have to earn it, to spend it. Plus, there may be better rates of interest at Scottish banks due to the fact they don't have to actually make the physical notes.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 15:25:59
Trying to get my head around this!

Bank of England funds are backed £ for £ seven days a week.

Scottish pretendy money only for 3 days a week.

When Scotland bothers to form a Central Scottish bank, will the Scottish central bank allow these pretendy banks in scotland to lodge this 2.5 billion for 3 days a week?
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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 15:26:44
Bmeister - yeh you do with most banks. I keep an account with Natwest for when i go away - free o/seas atm use with them, just ebank some cash over when you need it :-)

kimba - I doubt that many elderly people take cash wioth them overseas, mainly because its not safe and not practical
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BMeister,

04/02/2008 15:29:36
166 Rossco69,

Cheers for that, didn't know that about Natwest, will check that out.
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Rossco69,

@work 04/02/2008 15:29:41
excuse my last post, should read nationwide.

Its been that long since ive used it i forget who its with! lol
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 15:29:42
Rosco at #158 is experiencing the Kimba effect! LOL
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kimba,

04/02/2008 15:37:11
#169 what would that be, all i am doing is trying to state an opinion, unlike you AJ, Rossco has a brain and can debate.
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 15:38:06
Kimba#147,

When I said "Darling", I wasn't referring to you.
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pie12345,

Ayrshire 04/02/2008 15:39:09
The Answer at #165

Don't believe that the banks involved will have any issue in providing 7 days a week cover but just want it on the same commercial terms as any other institutional or bank depositor with Bank of England.
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 15:39:15
#170

LOL.....WHATEVERRRRR
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kimba,

04/02/2008 15:43:20
#171 i never for one moment thought you were talking to me.
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 15:52:10
#174,

Just in case there was a cross wire, I wouldn't want another Magic Hoops situation rearing up!

You've already claimed one victim, I didn't want to be no2!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 15:53:01
Mr Darling is a true scot
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Sedov,

Scotland 04/02/2008 15:56:09
This is an absolute disgrace. I have been selling our colourful notes to the English for 20 pence more than their value. Come on Mr Salmond - rouse your tartan army and do something! - Like???
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The Answer,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 16:05:26
The SNP should get there act together and solve real issues!

I notice on youtube Edinborough has only 4,000 hits from around the world to view the 2008 fireworks.

Yet London has over 280,000 hits.

What can Mr Salmond do to resolve this disgusting state of events ?
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04/02/2008 16:05:50
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:07:07
# 180 I dont know you seem to speak a lot of it.
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04/02/2008 16:08:49
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:09:45
# 182 unlike you i am not an expert in arseology
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04/02/2008 16:10:37
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:15:48
#184 YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND, HE PLAYS RUGBY, WORKS AS A BODYGUARD, AND IS TRAINED IN 3 STYLES OF MARTIAL ARTS. HE WOULDN'T NEED WEAPONS LIKE YOU SCOTTISH MORONS, HE WOULD MAKE MINCE MEAT OUT OF YOU. HOW ABOUT YOU LET ME KNOW WHERE IN SCOTLAND YOU ARE AND I WILL SEND HIM ALONG ON HIS MOTORBIKE.

YOU REALLY ARE STUPID.
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04/02/2008 16:18:43
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:20:00
YOU YOU STILL LIVE IN THE DARK AGES YOU TW*T
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04/02/2008 16:24:53
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:25:07
As for the money issue,well done Mr Darling
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 16:28:30
Royster yer becoming boring and very repetive!!! (or should that be exstremly repetive)!!!!

Oh for wance in yer life listen to yer self: Form what you've being saying in comments #31-32, it sounds like you think of us Scots are so uncapable of doing anything on our own that we need someone else/ another country to wipe our on *****.

Wake up Scotland is no a useless country. We are capable of so much more than the people of Westminster will ever give us credit for. The union puts a limit on our potenial achivement, while liveing in our home country. You only have to look at the masive gap in pay and skilled jobs. Most people who want to get jobs they are skilled for and get paid a decent pay for that work have to leave Scotland.

Lossing our money would be an isult to the Scottish nation as a whole!!!!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:30:56
#189

why dont you tell me the answers to those questions as you obviously work on a farm and shag a sheep on a regular basis, oh no have i let the cat out of the bag, didnt the pigs and cows no you were giving it to the sheep as well, you really need to me more careful, but at least we know were the latest out break of foot and mouth stated.
I did realise people as stupid as you still exsisted.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 16:30:57
#33 An Beal Bacht: Aye
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04/02/2008 16:32:02
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 16:34:45
Kimba,

A 6 ft 5 brother eh....does he come from Jamica or Trinidad?
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:35:59
#196

Why is it a scot is not giving scotland independence?

Why is it a scot will bring an end to scottish money?

why is it you are a moron?

why is it you are giving scottish people a bad name?

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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:36:46
neither birmingham
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:39:26
#197 didnt realise you are racist
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 16:44:02
Kimba,

What was racist about my post? Come on, lets see how that mind of yours works.

So your 'brother' comes from an entirely different part of England - was your Dad a long distance lorry driver per chance!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:45:10
he never bottled out of anything, and of casue you are 6, 10 if you believe that you'll believe anything.

YOUR ON MATE!!!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 16:45:20
#103 kimba: Possible the same as the Maggie Thatcher thing!!!

A game (politics/ democrasy) of being carefull we don't have another dictorer like them. OR More importantly, reflecting the mistakes which have been made other the last 10 years or so. Last thing most people want is another Tony Blair.

#178 kimba: Whats hight got to do with that!! I own a pair of heels that make me that hight!!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:45:52
HE'S NOT MY BROTHER, HE IS MY BROTHER IN LAW, TRY READING THE POST......
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:47:17
I POSTED THIS

AJ MY BROTHERIN LAW IS 6'5" AND IF YOU WANT TO START ARGUING
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:49:20
#205 for once i didnt start anything im just trying to defend myself
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:54:20
eve. you seem to be a little over the top,the fact is alistair darling [A SCOTSMAN} is doing this,LOL.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 16:57:39
#209

grow up you little sado everyone says i have multipal accounts on here, when it is you that has multipal accounts.
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AJ Fife,

04/02/2008 16:59:29
#211,

What's a "multipal" account? Is that something to do with having lots of friends?
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 16:59:54
#204 kimba: Any one can be that hight with these boots!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250211625324&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores_IT&refitem=250210750390&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
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kimba,

04/02/2008 17:03:54
#213

Eve whats your point, was trying to defend myself,
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kimba,

04/02/2008 17:04:52
no AJ its to do with first your here then A voice from scotland, then he goes and you come back,
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kimba,

04/02/2008 17:07:40
spook. Don't start!
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 17:08:12
I'd like to applages about comment #213 about the length of the link didnae realise it would go so long!!!

#198 kimba: It's people like Alxter Darling, Gorden Brown, Doggie Alxsander and wendy Alxsander who are giving Scotland a bad name.

Door Matt!!!! This is NOT right and it's NOT OK BUT we have to live with it untill the day we get the vote!!!

#201 The Spook in Leith: Aye, ith might just work!!! BUT think they should stik to "Wellcome to Scotland" for a wee while Just get oor moneys worth.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 17:12:46
alister darling/gordon brown true scotsmen
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 17:14:48
#214 kimba: They are fancy boots ABOUT a foot high!!! They would even make someone like you tall.

Ah so you were defending your self, from yer self!!!! mmm that makes a lot of sence!!!

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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 17:22:29
#219 kimba: That's a guid joke/ petty word play!!

It is true that they are both Scotsmen BUT the are NOT true to Scotland. They are only true to the union and are a classic examples of being bought and solid. They lack morals and are bribed with power!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 17:37:27
#211 kimba: You having mulitpul accounts is a FACT!!!!

Because you sliped up a few weeks ago!!! (Yer forgeting their was a number of us their).

AJ Fife hasnae sliped up in any posts that I'm aware that would suggest such a thing!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 17:40:14
Hey Scotsman cannae read a word of whats written on the below link!!!

What is the obsession with writing on grey background with black writing!!!
http://news.scotsman.com/newspaper.aspx
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kimba,

04/02/2008 17:40:57
so its just my imagenation that when he goes a voice from scotland comes on and vice a versa
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kimba,

04/02/2008 17:42:30
gordon brown is doing a great job and so is mr darling, at last someone has stood up and told scotland to just SHUT THE HELL UP
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 18:11:59
#227 kimba: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (sorry, my mouth must have been sewn shut by those brilliant MP's you mentioned)

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Gullable
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Naive
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Delusional
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Andrew Allan,

04/02/2008 18:19:19
The only reason for doing this with the bank notes by the bank of england, read the westminster government, is to strip Scotland of an important national symbol, and a first step to taking direct control of the whole of the Scottish economy, including the Scottish government itself.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 18:24:16
#229 Andrew Allan: Ah so it's the story of the control freaks. (again!!!). Is there no concilling availbe for these folks.
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Reckless,

Fife 04/02/2008 18:26:15
The Bank of England (and all other central banks) are privately owned. They're in the business of printing money out of thin air. Most people can't understand why they are so poor, despite working two or three jobs.

infowars.com
http://www.fdrs.org/banking_history.html


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Andrew Allan,

04/02/2008 18:38:24
#230., Eve.
If you had it in mind to do what you can to stop Scotland slipping away from the union, wouldn't you try and cut off the money supply as to slow down the economy. Someone the other day tried to make fun of the idea that money has been reduced in other areas of the UK, saying do you think the UK government did all this just to stop the SNP. What I would ask is, if you were in the mind to stop the SNP in an attemp to stop the break up of the union, and you might try almost anything to do so, would you not do so in this manner. It wouldn't be the first time the westminster government has used this idea to stop Scotland.
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Andrew Allan,

04/02/2008 18:43:07
http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/banking_history.php
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kimba,

04/02/2008 18:45:57
228. you are not worth a reply,Darling is truly a great Scotsman.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 18:53:01
recipe for the day-

Try roasting your wild scottish salmond with pumpkin seeds on a bed of sliced baby courgettes.

might give you some flavour.....
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 18:53:28
#232 Andrew Allan: It seems a long way to scoop down! Though I've never trusted Westminster!!!

I'm sick of my people(the people of Scotland)being told their useless/ stipied and/ or unable to achive any thing without England holding our hands.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 18:55:12
maybe thats because you cant
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kimba,

04/02/2008 18:57:00
#236 everyone stand back here comes moses singing "let my people go"
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 19:02:48
#234: http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Irony

#235 kimba: I don't need a recipie, espesally of that calber. I need to put more complex carbohydrates in my diet NOT cut them out!! I would add a side portion of noddels, mixs the courgettes with carrton battons and onion slices. Would missout the pumkin seeds cause they are costly and not nessary. Could get similair nuternts from a portion of mokey nuts cheap in price at the moment.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 19:07:11
well dosent that say everything about you "cheap"
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kimba,

04/02/2008 19:09:04
239,sorry that hould be"doesn't"
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HEN BROON 5,

04/02/2008 19:13:04
(234 kimba,04/02/2008 18:45:57
228. you are not worth a reply,Darling is truly a great Scotsman.)

Yeh he runs the English accounts because you lot are so pathetic you cannot do it for your selves.

As long as he keeps giving us back our stolen revenues he can stay.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 19:16:18
#240 kimba: That's the last time I give you free nutritious cooking/ eating tips. Next time you'll have to pay!!!

By the way you do realise that the monkey nut portion was meant as a suggested snack NOT to go with the Salom dish.
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Daily user,

Queensferry 04/02/2008 19:16:48
a Treasury spokesman said: "The changes outlined in the consultation document will ensure customers of Scottish and Irish banks are protected in the same ways as the rest of the UK's depositors, and will leave all British banks and their customers on a level playing field.

There's a guid Scots word for this:

PISH !!
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kimba,

04/02/2008 19:17:56
242. believe that if you must,but he has put the kybosh on the scottish pound,LOL.
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kimba,

04/02/2008 19:21:52
243. Thank god for that!
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Terrier2,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 19:22:57
This is Browns first step towards getting rid of all British banknotes and replacing them with the Euro - something I believe Salmond is also in favour of, so why is he complaining? It is not the loss of the little bits of paper that matters but the loss of control of much of monetary and fiscal policy, to be replaced by the one size fits all of the Eurozone. At least Scots get to send elected representatives to Westminster - once in Euroland Scotlands economy would be controlled by unelected officials. Its time the Scottish people woke up to the fact that in the SNPs vision of the world the Scottish people would have a lot less say over there own affairs than they currently do.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/02/2008 19:27:55
This is all about the 4 days a week that the central bank cannot cash in on the Scottish banks. We're supposed to pay for Northern Rock or lose our notes.

Tell them to FO
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 19:38:36
#248 Terrier2: See post #228 & #244
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 19:44:18
#249 Jock Tamson: Aye!!! You have a point their Northen Rocks been in the news a lot lately. May be this story purposeis supose to take us away form the faillings of the above named bank and Alexster Darlings gift to them & there customer.

It's amasing that just only 6months ago you could mention Northen Rock to me and I'd think it you where talking about a sports clothing company, these days it always about the bank.

Indepented banking for Scotland is need send Scottish money to the Bank of England never.

Unless they need a wee loan, which they can pay back with interst, to our banks.
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 19:56:25
Good words, they just about sum up the SNPs attitude to the EU, and also of those Scots who believe that a vote for the SNP represents a vote for their freedom, it does not.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Gullable
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Naive
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Delusional

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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 19:56:47
#141 The Answer: You've just reminded me that I'm in one serous huff with them!!! Every time those bawbags phone me or I phone them I have to tell them I don't have a Hailifax account it's a Bank of Scotland account, when I joined the Bank of Scotland they claimed they would be my friend for life NOT that I would be told I had a Halfax account which I don't!

I also tell them I don't like my bank statements have a return to sender so far way as England.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 20:05:40
#252 Terrier2,: NO, They are good words to describe a unionist, who supports/ believe everything Westminster tells them too.

Believing in the need of Scottish independence, a person needs: vision, creativity (obviosely with the invitation), self belief, belief in fellow Scots, Passion, excellent reasoning skills (too see pass the status co.)etc. (can't list them all would be here all night!!)
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 20:08:09
253. Another sane nationalist then!
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Shave,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 20:11:00
#254
Why would you undermine the independence of Scotland by choosing to hand all those hard-fought-for powers to another.
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 20:11:46
232. And another!

I love these screaming nats and their wonderful English/UK/European/global, government/commercial/both conspiracies!

Ever thought that the banks might not even want to have the hassle of printing notes and having to deposit billions with the central bank to do so.....billions that they could be investing in profitable ventures?
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Shave,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 20:11:49
#256 was hypothetically speaking, of course.
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 20:16:07
Eve, there are many forms of independence, just because Scotland has its own parliament, laws, currency etc it does not mean its people are independent. The SNP represent the old socialist ideology, of big welfare state, state contol of housing, political control of everything. They may stand for an 'indepenent Scotland', but they do not stand for an independent Scottish people with vision, self belief etc.
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Media 1,

cape town 04/02/2008 20:17:52
Isnt it sad, how some Scottish people have been indoctrinated to see Scotland as a state of England,as opposed to a major player in one of the worlds most formidable and profitable partnerships?
Scotland is a great nation, Scotland is a strong and robust nation. We are part of one of the greatest unions on earth and I for one am thankful that we were offered the opportunity to join the union. In the beginning there was some trepidation concerning the union, but check out the history books and see how we embraced the union and the benefits that came with such powerful partnership.
I am proud of Scotland, but more important, I am proud of my Britishness! The bank notes can go, they mean nothing,,,,Besides, Salmond is adamant that an independent will join the EU, which means he also sees the notes as useless! He just pretends they are important because its good for stirring emotion!
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 20:22:20
It is interesting that Salmond of course insists on holding an independence referendum - which actually would be a good thing, but it is hypocritical of him to simply assume that the Scottish people support membership of the EU and Euro. Why isn't he offering them a choice on Europe as well?
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Media 1,

cape town 04/02/2008 20:31:39
On the contrary! Since I own property in Edinburgh and Aberdeen, was born in Glasgow and reside in Scotland 4 months of each year, I am entitled to as much say as I decide I am entitled to.
I will strive to protect Scotland from the narrow minded fools who continue to put Scotland down by claiming she is a state of England, when in fact Scotland is part of one of the most powerful unions in the world. I will strive to ensure that my country of birth remains a strong and important part of the union, as opposed to a wasteland of no hopers hell bent on failure as long as they are free from England! It sickens me to listen to some people describe Scotland as a state of England when clearly Scotland has always been much much more important than that!
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Highland Mighty,

04/02/2008 20:39:42
262. Does this mean that the ex-pat nats in the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Austria, Germany, France and Switzerland also "have no entitlement to ANY say in Scottish affairs!!"?

I hope so as it would make these boards a whole lot quieter.

And more mature too.
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Friar Tuck,

Port Perry, Ontario, Canada 04/02/2008 20:42:25
When I left Scotland to emigrate to Canada, I had to get permission from the Bank of England to take my Scottish money out of Scotland. That was in 1967. It still riles me that I had to do that. It should be renamed the Bank of Britain since it is the central bank for all countries (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales.

In Canada, the central bank is the Bank of Canada, not the Bank of Ontario. In fact, I do not know of any other countries which do not name their central bank after the country.

It's time for the UK to switch to the Euro and stop paying the banks a commission to change your money.
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 20:46:49
265 - So Friar Tuck - how would Canadians feel if they had to give up their Dollar for the US Dollar? No doubt they would be delighted as they would no longer have to pay a commission to change their money?
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Media 1,

cape town 04/02/2008 20:49:30
Friar

Cananda is one nation under one flag!
The United Kingdom is not. It makes perfect sense that the Bank of England rules the roost. If it riled you when you required permission from the bank of England, then that is a true shame. For the anguish must have stemmed from an anti English stance as opposed to an understanding of economy.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 04/02/2008 20:56:17
We should offer to put Darling's head or Brown's on the Scottish notes and that should appeal to their inflated egos' and secure the future of the Scottish notes. On second thoughts........
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 20:58:32
There are much better places to put Browns or Darlings heads - on a spike outside Traitors gate for example.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 04/02/2008 21:06:08
#267 Media 1, what a true banker you are, Scotland has its own money and always will have, until WE decide otherwise, which would be the Euro zone long before it would ever be Bank on England issue, that is the facts, and not YOUR utter nonsense, and I personally am NOT anti-English!!
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 21:06:30
#255 Highland Mighty: Thank you for the complement!!!!
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The Answer,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 21:07:42
Has this thread been taken over by muslim fanatics ?

You nats are a bloody disgrace to white christian people.

I have an opinion of muslims, but sadly for most scot nats I woulndt give them the time of day.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 21:08:18
#256 Shave: I'm confused!!!

Don't know what yer on about!!!

I belive in Scottish independence NOT handing back powers!!!!
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Steve,

Bo'ness 04/02/2008 21:11:53
Great to see so many craven unionists trying to make excuses for the potential loss of one of our great traditions. Yet so typical of them.

If Scotland loses its banknotes through this pettyness, there will be serious repercussions for Labour.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 21:12:36
#259 Terrier2: I'm well aware that Scotland is no independent country at the moment!!! Why would you think that I'm NOT!!!

I said that Scot Nats can see pass the staus co. of the union.

P.S. I'm no a member of any politcal party, never have been.
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puskas,

East Kilbride 04/02/2008 21:13:55
What difficulties would this give as Scotland gained its independence... ???


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Steve,

Bo'ness 04/02/2008 21:14:01
#272, If you are "the Answer", then it was a bloody stupid question.
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 21:23:58
I have no idea about your own situation, but the fact is that too many Scots are entirely dependent on the welfare state, businesses in Scotland are over regulated and over taxed. People aren't encouraged to think for themselves, either now or under the SNPs 'independent' vision for Scotland. The Union although not perfect has however provided stability and democracy under the rule of law, something which all individuals benefit from, which is preferable to some giant EU dictatorship.
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Shave,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 21:47:22
#273
There are many types of independence that have been proposed for Scotland. The SNPs proposals of gaining independence and then joining the EU and the Euro seem by far the worst. Why would you support wrestling those powers from Westminster only to hand them straight to Brussels?

Scotland has greater common interest with the rest of the UK than with the rest of Europe. Therefore swapping Westminster for Brussels is pointless.

I would happily support independence if there were a viable, trustworthy party with independence proposals that kept power in Scotland, not with bureaucrats in Brussels. The SNP are not close to meeting those criteria. The Greens are closer.
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 21:52:29
279 - Totally agree with the point about the stupidity of swapping Westminster for Brussels, but the Greens? Simply another bunch of marxists?
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 22:03:33
#278 Terrier2: What do you call getting rid of the Graduates endowment scheme. I think it was an excellent place to start in eradicating student debt.

Though the unionist parties won't support replacing student loans with grants.

Surely these sort of things encourage folk to think for them self's.

Generally going to university opens yer mind, makes you think for yer self more.

I haven't benefited from the union, I've felt the hinder of the union though, incredibly hard to find deceit paid work with out leaving my home country. I've script and saved my way through University on the a student loan which is well over £15k and possible goes up about 1/2K a year on interest.

I've seen the people of my country been experimented on with poll tax etc.

I've repeatedly seen little thought or care towards those of us that See our ourselves as Scottish.

My schools education board did there almost to hinder our education by experimenting untested teaching techniques which, most teaching professionals to day would say was unique and a waste of time.

They insaly wrongly labeled my year at school with a negative label. It's well known by those us capable of thinking out of the box that if you label someone in hast, even if they aren't as bad as you think they are they will lower there inhibitions to fit the label.

Oh sorry I appear to be on a rant about empowering and educating the people. I feel really passionate about people being allowed to achieve their full potential.
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Winters,

Glasgow 04/02/2008 22:06:25
The limit that can be taken out from cash machines abroad is £350 the charge for that comes to £12.50. It adds a lot.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 22:12:53
#280 Terrier2: It's stupied letting Westmister rune Scotland.

It's so ovbose thats what they are trying to do at times.

I'd rather Brussel was incharge over Westminster any day, cause I trust Brussels more. I have 0.2% faith/trust in Westminster and about 10% faith/ trust in the EU/EC.

I pro the UK being in the EU as they'll stop Westminster from breaching our rights. And feel it would be helpfull if they could act as an independent durelateor durring our referndum for independence results.

I'm NOT sure about an independent Scotland being in the EU BUT I am very open to a trial of about a 1-4years. If they fail in Scottish issuess then we leave.

Unions are NOT designed to last for ever!!! For this I'm trully thankfull.
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Shave,

Edinburgh 04/02/2008 22:13:20
#280 Terrier2
I just used the Greens as an example of an alternative policy on Europe/Independence. Marxists? I think pragmatism is pulling them away from that ideology, as shown by their willingness to work with any party
(even Tories). Useful but certainly no government in waiting.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 22:20:21
#279 Shave: Mmmmm really I feel just as conected to the French, Spanish, Dutch, Irish etc. as I do to the English and Welsh.

I don't I'm unusal in this way of thinking!!!!

Uch go away and start yer own party if you have no trust in the existing ones!!!!!!
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 22:20:31
281 - The mess in higher education is somewhat off the topic of this thread, but here goes. There are too many students to start with, all part of New Labours, and prior to that the Tories plans for 50% of young people going through University. This is ridiculour and of no real benefit to anyone. I used to work in Higher Education, and too many of the students were there because it was expected of them, not because they wanted to be there. Degrees were dumbed down, to get them through. There are now shortages of skilled electrians, plumbers etc which are having to be being fill by migrants, because our own, having done media studies degrees or some other mickey mouse topic are now on the dole. Loans have undermined higher education, and I agree that grants in some form should be restored, but for far fewer students, with funding being based on academic merit only.
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ImSparticus,

04/02/2008 22:28:14
A bit like trying to shut the door after the horse has Bolted.... lol .. Broon yer too Late... the Cuddy is awa and wont be back.
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d.j.,

04/02/2008 22:30:25
Even if an independent Scotland is achieved Scotland will still be a region of England as the two peoples are the same since culturally and linguistically.

Why do you think so much money is spent trying to ensure that the BBC is left intact with little or nothing being left in the region they call Scotland.

But does Scotland require much as we are all the same people now. British that is.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 22:40:41
#286 Terrier2: mm you don't belive in equality do you!!!

Judging by your degree enternces suggestions.
As a Dyslexic who was failled by the education board big time (like so many others too), I wouldn't have got in to Universty because my school qulifications would have went against me they wouldn't care that I wasn't diagnosed as having dyslexia until adulthood.

My degree is NOT in any of the subjects that you mentioned, and is in a very relavent subject, many difrent jobs availble. The only problem is choiseing the right carrer path.

AND what makes you think that degrees have been dumbed down???

How the h*** do dumb down the honners project!! It surely can't be done. I was told that my hons project could be on anything and when I gave an area I was intersteadin, I was told I had to narrow it down, with no idication given in how to do it. (Dumbed down indead! Aye, right!!)
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Yeti,

04/02/2008 22:42:35
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The chances are that Scottish banks would withdraw certain denominations of notes, probably the lower ones - how many Scottish fivers do you see these days - so that the amount of money lodged remains the same. What is not highlighted here is that both the US Fed and the Bank of England removed the requirement to have gold to the value of the currency in circulations years ago. Double standards? Bank of England notes are worth no more than Scottish ones, in fact less, because at least Scottish ones are guaranteed four days a week
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Yeti,

04/02/2008 22:45:11
That is, of course, that the BoE cash lodged is woth anything
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Terrier2,

04/02/2008 22:47:35
I couldn't possibily comment on your experiences, since I wasn't directly involved!

But I would say yes - I don't beleive in equality, because we are all different.
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Royster,

04/02/2008 22:47:42
This argument is crazy. In the UK you have 2 types of bank notes. 1) Notes issued by the UK government's central bank using the misnomer 'Bank of England' and 2) Notes issued by some Scotiish and Northern Irish commercial banks. They are both safe to hold but which type is safer especially given current financial conditions? There is no such thing as 'English' and 'Scottish' bank notes. Bank of England notes are UK notes.
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 22:50:31
#288 d.j: I'm NOT Birttish, cause nationailty is all about the way you choice to identfy yer self and I've chosen to identfy my self as Scottish.

Besides I can't be a nationality thats spelt a non dyslexic friendly manner!!!!

TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND EXHALE!!!

Yer reasoning skills apear weak and are written in a brain washed manner as if yer re speaking something that Gordon Brown has said. You no Politisans lie even the Labour party Lie.

TAKE ANOTHER DEEP BREATH AND EXHALE!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 22:54:47
#290 Yeti: I've noticed that!!!
Resently shops have taken to giving us £2 x2 and £1 coin instead of £5 notes and 1/2 of the time I get a £5 note it's a Bank of England note.

It's very ood.

May be someones trying to get us to use a certain disgned £2 coin.
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Yeti,

04/02/2008 22:57:30
#293 Royster

Backed by what? Both are the same. A Scottish note is not legal tender, a BoE note is. A Scottish note is a promisory note - in effect a cheque made out to "cash" - a cheque that can be swapped for goods or services. What the UK government is saying is that a BoE note is ok as long as the UK isn't bankrupt and a Scottish one isn't. This is all based on the Northern Rock fiasco, a bank that never issued notes and was not particularly well run. Can the same be said of the major Scottish banks? I doubt it
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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 23:00:49
#292 Terrier2: Ah BUT dyslixa is common and a few education authorities made a right hash in educating children with dyslexia.

So surely you should be able to say that you would or wouldn't allow people like me in to Universty. Or would such suggest that a dyslexic report written by an educational phycollogist that say the person has the intelagence to complete a degree instead.

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Eve,

Scotland 04/02/2008 23:04:30
#296 Yeti: Aye!!!

I'd like to know what it's backed by to!!!
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subrosa,

04/02/2008 23:21:50
We must fight this and win.
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subrosa,

04/02/2008 23:23:19
Scotland can't allow this thieving from your financial services. We must all stand together and win. I'd even go to London (which I utterly detest) to protest about this.
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Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 04/02/2008 23:47:54
Media 1, The benefits that Scotland got out of the Union were a long, long time ago.
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Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 04/02/2008 23:54:22
Media 1, Also care to mention about your beloved Scottish Labour Party Leaders position?
No, I thought not!
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An English Voice™,

04/02/2008 23:55:15
It's amazing that you can pop onto this site at any time, day or night, and see the same old ignorant and ill-informed whinging and whining.

301. Prove it. Just because you read a post submitted by one of the nat idiots on this page does not make it fact. In fact, it almost certainly makes it total b*******ks.

Do yourself a favour and do some research for yourself before accepting as fact a rant by the SNP mob.
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Royster,

05/02/2008 04:56:18
#311 & 312. LOL x 2
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Royster,

05/02/2008 04:59:46
#294. Please get help.
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JCA REID,

Dumfries & Galloway 05/02/2008 10:36:11
RE: Scottish Banknotes.
This is a major attempt to 'homogonous' us into 'Britishness', so that England can be writ large across these isles! Everything must be subsumed to their wishes so that the world will be a better place.
On hearing of the political union of England & Wales an Anglo-Welshman stated; "Now Wales ceases to exist." That Anglo was Henry VIII.
I am not at all surprised by PM Gordon Brown's decision, after all he doesn't give a fig about Scotland, but Chancellor Darling's support for it. After all in 1995 Darling said, ".....when are we going to kick the English out and rule ourselves?" I was an eye and ear witness to this. Perhaps it was just for the benefit of his future down in Westminster so he could present himself as 'a Scotland man down south', looking after our interests.
Hypocrites the lot of them.
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watcher4,

Edinburgh 05/02/2008 17:31:37
I thought the Nats wanted in Europe when the big Independance comes. Why not just bring in the Euro.
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The Islander,

Innse Gall 05/02/2008 22:10:47
... Our "country" has long lost its way ... Since 1707 Scotland has ceased to exist as a country, its just a region of England, and is treated as such, and is probably the only country in the world to vote itself out of existence .. its a puppet "nation" run by England with everything it stand for is being eroded by English/British propaganda.

... WAKE UP SCOTLAND ... you need to break away from this dinosaur and move forward within Europe as your own nation ... a free country to be proud of ...
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Chris W,

Argyll 06/02/2008 08:33:42
Does Alistair Darling not want to be an Edinburgh MP after the next election then? Clearly he does, so this is just a play. The government probably want a concession, 4 days instead of three. Financial stability has nothing to do with it, just money grabbing as usual.
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d.j.,

06/02/2008 19:13:32
Many people in Scotland say they want to be different from the English but what evidence is there of this.
Or are these differences paper thin and short term.

The Weekend Scotsman as they say in the USA and Canada.
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cAuley,

09/02/2008 13:11:09
As a Northern Irishman, all I can say is about bloody time! These monopoly notes are a complete nuisance. We should all welcome the end of the superior status of the 'Bank of England' notes over their Scottish and N Irish counterparts - 'British Bank' all the way!
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Haystack,

27/04/2008 19:26:46
I have recently visited Poland where I was unable to change any Scottish notes. (I'm sure many will have had the same experience across Europe never mind further afield)
What is the point of producing Scottish notes that are worthless abroad.
We are according to our politicians a modern European nation .. with toy-town bank notes.
This is ignorance on the part of the foreigners .. if part of the threatened £100m was used to ensure it was acceptable in other countries then we'd take and use it more.
Isn't it laughable that the large Polish workforce in Scotland have to change their money into English notes to be able to use it back home .. ?
On another point .. I wanted to take some English notes to Poland and asked at the supermarket checkout for some .. I was handed a Clydesdale note and an apology for it being 'the only English one she had .. '

 

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