Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

 
 
Saturday, 17th May 2008 Change Date

Free A to Z of Scotland's Munros

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the The Scotsman site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Scotland's Alcohol Shame: Hungover middle-class parents who leave children to fend for themselves



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 08 May 2008
PARENTS are damaging their children through their alcohol use without realising they are doing it, experts believe.
In many well-off families, hungover parents are leaving their children to fend for themselves as they sleep off the effects of their drinking the night before.

There are also fears that parental drinking at home is encouraging children to see excessive alcohol use as normal and follow in their footsteps.

The Scottish Government now wants to highlight the unintentional damage that parents could be doing to their children through their drinking behaviour.

They believe the effects go much further than the parents with the most severe alcohol problems.

It is hoped that an advertising campaign, featuring a lone child staring through closed curtains as his mother and father sleep off their hangovers, will drive home the message to parents.

The focus on families came as the SNP administration pledged to make tackling Scotland's damaging relationship with alcohol a top priority for their second year in office.

Research studied by the Scottish Government reveals the extent of harm caused by drinking in families.

It has estimated that a quarter of youngsters on child-protection registers are there because of parental alcohol or drug abuse. And one in three divorce petitions in the UK cite excessive drinking by a partner as a contributory factor.

But ministers are keen to stress that even moderate drinking can affect children and family relationships.

Shona Robison, Holyrood's public health minister, said one result of drinking was that mothers and fathers were not around when their children got up in the mornings, leaving them to entertain themselves.

Parents who are hungover also lack the energy to play games with their children or take them on trips, meaning they miss out on spending quality time together.

"There's also, importantly, a message about what the children are seeing," she said. "Are we teaching the next generation about how to abuse alcohol? What we need to do, surely, is to not set bad examples.

"Everybody wants the best for their children and they want them to grow up and have the best life they can, but we sometimes do things we don't realise, that children pick up.

"Children do replicate the adult behaviour, and what they see adults do, they think is OK. So do you really want your kids growing up thinking that abusing alcohol is a normal thing to do?"

The Scottish Government wants everyone to examine their own drinking and consider whether it could be having an impact on family life. It is estimated that tens of thousands of children are living with parents who drink to problematic levels.

Tom Roberts, the head of public affairs at charity Children 1st, said: "Addiction, whether to opiates like heroin or to alcohol, is a problem for all areas of Scotland – urban and rural.

"However, many more children's lives are adversely affected by parental alcohol abuse than by parental substance use. Children whose parents abuse drugs or alcohol often struggle.

"When it is not desirable for children to remain with their parents, we have pioneered the use of family group meetings, which bring together the extended family where a child is at risk of being taken into care, and which often lead to a child being cared for by a grandparent or other family member."

IMPACT OF TEENAGE DRINKING REVEALED

WORRYING evidence about the extent of children's drinking has emerged in recent years.

A survey of 15-year-olds in Scotland found that 41 per cent had vomited because of alcohol, while 23 per cent had got in trouble with the police and 19 per cent had been in a fight.

More worryingly, 16 per cent had tried drugs while under the influence of alcohol and 14 per cent had had unprotected sex.

Last week, a study found that more than 100 children a week were ending up in hospital due to the consequences of drinking too much alcohol.

The proportion of teenagers starting drinking has also increased in the past 20 years.

One survey found that 67 per cent of 13-year-old boys and 69 per cent of girls said they had drunk alcohol at some point. Twenty per cent of both boys and girls had had a drink in the previous week. Among 15-year-olds, 40 per cent of boys and 46 per cent of girls said they had had an alcoholic drink in the past week.

A Scottish Crime and Victimisation survey found that almost half of people were worried about under-16s in their household drinking alcohol.

Tom Roberts, from the charity Children 1st, said: "The number of children and young people in Scotland drinking is really concerning.

"As well as damaging their health, being under the influence of alcohol lowers their inhibitions and leaves young people more at risk of harm," he went on.

"The availability of alcohol in Scotland has got to be called into question.

"Just as importantly, adults who drink have to be aware of the damaging message they are giving out that you can't have a good time unless you're drinking or drunk.

"We must examine why young people feel the need to drink in the first place – is it because of a lack of other activities? And we need to look at the culture in Scotland where drinking to excess is often seen as socially acceptable."

Boris bans alcohol on public transport to cut crime

Peter Woodman


BORIS Johnson, the new mayor of London, below, has announced an alcohol ban on public transport in the city.

From 1 June, the drinking from, and carrying of, open containers of alcohol will be prohibited on London Underground, London buses, the Docklands Light Railway and tram services.

Mr Johnson said the ban would help lead to a reduction in "more serious crime". However, Bob Crow, the leader of the RMT transport union, said the measures appeared "not to have been thought through" and might make matters worse.

Mr Johnson said: "I'm determined to improve the safety and security of public transport in London and create a better environment for the millions of Londoners who rely on it.

"I firmly believe that if we drive out so-called minor crime, then we will be able to get a firm grip on more serious crime. That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the Tube, tram, bus and Docklands Light Railway.

"The ban is supported by the Metropolitan Police and British Transport Police, and over the next month Transport for London will make the necessary legal changes and consult with staff."

Mr Crow said: "We are in favour of any measure that will make our members' lives safer and curb anti-social behaviour, but it appears that this really hasn't been thought through.

"We are being told that it will be our members who will have to approach people drinking and ask them to stop – but the mayor hasn't asked us what we think.

"Violence against our members is a major problem, particularly from people who have been drinking. Perhaps the mayor will come out with his underpants on over his trousers like Superman one Saturday to show us how it should be done, and maybe tell a crowd of Liverpool supporters that they can't drink on the train?"

The full article contains 1233 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

 
1

,

08/05/2008 00:35:52
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
2

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 08/05/2008 00:43:51
More PC ergo Presbeterian Calvinist they have lost control through there religious dogma and are takinig it back with a daily diet of this guff. shut them down or suffer the result.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 01:03:34
Soo the 'Scottish Government',want his as a "Middle Classed Tag"!....

Chick chick chick chick chicken
Lay a little egg for me
Chick chick chick chick chicken
I want one for my tea
I haven't had one since breakfast
And now it's half past three
So, chick chick chick chick chicken
Lay a little egg for me
4

fife runner,

08/05/2008 06:13:17
it is only too true unfortunately. I have posted on this site before about my uncle and good pal dying through alcohol abuse. One 32 and one 28.
5

rpb,

08/05/2008 07:12:58
"In many well-off families, hungover parents are leaving their children to fend for themselves as they sleep off the effects of their drinking the night before."

What a moronic piece - are there cameras inside houses analysing this?

Maybe our overprotective nanny government should shut down all distilleries as a way of showing they are serious about their alcohol stand?
After all, S&N showed the way forward with this policy to attack brewing in Edinburgh before selling themselves off.


Are MSPs allowed into bars- do MPs have subsidised alcohol at Westminster?

6

,

08/05/2008 07:45:32
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
7

Mcsnagpile,

08/05/2008 08:19:41
When the children are home from boarding school on summer holidays we are always very strict about the nanny drinking any alcohol especially Gin. We also make sure we phone home at least once per week from Geneva, even if we have had a glass or two of the local Pims.

There have been a number of similar essays on the European rags. The Germans hate anybody beating them even at binge drinking. Which is surprising.

We know that some lower classed staff over indulges in low-grade plonk. Perhaps more discerning imbibes would improve their faculties and editorial abilities.
8

Boy Wonder,

08/05/2008 08:34:34
There are 4 classes in Scotland. Upper, Middle, Working ... and Charles Linskaill-alikes!
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 08:35:01
Who’ to say, that I am Not,..‘Bonnie Prince Charlie’, just acting “Middle Classed” for this ‘Rag’ for a Paper,?
Now where's my,

Perrier-Jouet 2000 Belle Epoque, with a unique twist of liquor added,

Here, ‘Mi Lord!’
10

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

08/05/2008 09:48:54
What the best beach in scotland to have a hangover on ?

News to the SNP, telling people what they already know wont change them. Legislate !
11

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 10:20:54
Oh go to hell you stupid nannies.

So occasionally, the odd parent may get a hangover. So what? Big deal.

They are hardly neglecting their kids and leaving them to fend for themselves. This is just another chapter in the rediculous "war on alcohol".

Some of these morons could do with a few still drinks. It might lighten them up a bit and stop them interfering in other peoples lives.

Will they please stop inventing "problems" concerning alcohol. In the main, they do not exist and are just hyped up.
12

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

08/05/2008 10:27:25
Radge.
13

,

08/05/2008 10:34:54
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
14

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

08/05/2008 10:48:18
I dont accept bs, thats why you got that comment sir. Maybe one day youll actually open your eyes.
15

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 10:54:37
Mario,

If you believe all the rubbish and spin that is now being propagated about alcohol, you by definition accept BS.
16

wee_one,

08/05/2008 11:14:08
#15

As someone who has lost an uncle and cousin through alcohol, I beg to differ. Alcohol causes more widespread pain and suffering than any illegal drug, yet the Govt have just reclassified cannabis to Class B while doing nothing about the widespread availability of alcohol at rock bottom prices. Priorities all wrong.
17

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 11:59:50
#16:

Whilst I sympathise with your loss, people dying through alcohol misuse is not the norm. The majority of people do not have an alcohol problem and this continual hype pretends that they do.

It's the old story and we've seen it time and time again---especially under the labour party. The pattern is always the same:

1. Take something that the majority of people enjoy but which if misused can cause death and illness.
2. Hype it all up to give the impression that bad effects are far more common than the actually are.
3. Continue #2 until a groundswell of people are taken in.
4. Pretend that the majority want change, even though they do not.
5. Start a campaign to redicule anyone who disagrees with the party line and make them out to be irresponsible
6. Impose legislation against the activity at issue.
7. Repeat from #2 until the activity becomes socially un-acceptable

I accept that excessive use of alcohol can cause health problems
I accept that irresponsible use of alcohol can exacerbate behavioural problems
I accept that inappropriate use of alcohol can affect your day to day life and the lives of others.

However, I will never accept that these things are the norm and that "something needs doing about alcohol".

From a personal point of view, I cannot accept that my own personal freedom of choice will be eroded on the basis of the inability of a minority to handle life responsibly.
18

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 12:05:49
(cont)

The government have re-classified cannibis because that is in line with their stupid notion that they have to introduce new laws to stop people breaking the existing laws.

Cannibis is illegal. There is evidence to suggest that smoking one joint of cannibis causes as much harm as smoking several cigarettes. However, whilst smoking tobacco is now frowned upon, somehow it seems more acceptable to smoke cannibis instead. Can you work that one out? Damned if I can.

This very issue exposes the incredible hype and lies that have been spread about smoking normal tobacco. Is it really that surprising that I am not going to fall for the same thing with drink as the subject?
19

Brother Walfrid,

08/05/2008 12:11:54
The reclassification of canabis announcement from the home secretary comes in the wake of labour's worst local election results in 40 years.

This is simply more panic policy from Brown. I wish he would just accept that as a PM he has been an unmitigated disaster area and resign. He does nothave the personality for leadership.

As for the booze, Scotland has had a drinking culture, as in a 'get pissed culture' since the 1950s . Rationing was coming to a close, jobs were plentiful and people had money in their pockets on a scale never seen before.

So, everyone started getting blind drunk on a Friday night. I am in my forties and know that my grandparents generation were virtually tee-total. Whenever there was a family gathering for a baptism or such like, tea was poured and home made cake was dished out. Booze simply wasn't on the menu.

Go to a baptism or a wedding now and half the guests are pie-eyed by 6 o'clock, and by the end of the night several are in a sorry state.
20

wee_one,

08/05/2008 12:27:33
#17/18

"From a personal point of view, I cannot accept that my own personal freedom of choice will be eroded on the basis of the inability of a minority to handle life responsibly."

That's the thing - you are still perfectly free to drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes - the only restriction is that you cannot now inflict cigarette smoke on others in enclosed public places. But lets not get into that one, that's another story that has already been talked to death.

As far as alcohol is concerned, I like a drink as much as the next person and would never like to see alcohol banned. However I am not blind to what is going on around me - most of my friends have at least one alcoholic in their families, I have far more - and can't help but think alcohol is too cheap and too easily available. It can't exactly help people with borderline drink problems to have cheap alcohol thrust in their face every time they are doing their weekly shop.

And while I accept your argument that we are talking about a minority who have genuine drink problems, what about all the other misery that alcohol undoubtedly exacerbates, such as violence and anti-social behaviour?

Do you HONESTLY believe that Scotland as a whole (economy, poverty rates, crime, health) wouldn't benefit from a reduction in alcohol intake by the Scottish population?
21

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 08/05/2008 12:31:55
Charles Linskaill

No, no, NO!

The only champagne to drink is Veuve Cliquot Ponsardin with the GREEN label (no substitutions).

Drink in copious amounts with affable friends and guests and serve canapes and other hors d'oeuvres and a very fun time will be had by all.

If one is affected by the bubbles in bubbly, stir them out with a straw but then that just spoils the whole raison d'etre for French champagne.

Pol Roger and Krug are also fabulous to swill stylishly when one is flush.
22

John Blackley,

Florida 08/05/2008 13:25:32
I'm curious about The Scotsman's focus on middle-class drinking problems yesterday and today. I have no doubt that there are people in the middle class who abuse alcohol and I have no doubt that the children of these people suffer as a result.

I do doubt that alcohol abuse by the middle class represents the largest segment of Scotland's problem with alcohol and I do doubt that the children of the middle class represent those most in need as a result.

So why this focus?
23

THE BPRENTICE,

08/05/2008 13:42:26
who gathers these stats? next we'll have articles on parents eating the last chocolate eclair form teh fridge....ooops ...sorry kids.
24

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

08/05/2008 14:23:45
well said 20. well written.
25

Big Eddie,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 15:06:09
I certainly drink a lot less since I've been a parent. When I'm out of a Friday evening with my childless friends, I think about how they'll be able to sleep in until all hours the next morning, while I'll be up at seven o'clock as per normal to sort my kids out with breakfast etc. Doing that first thing on a saturday morning is bad enough at the best of times; doing it with a thick head is another story entirely.

Just as a side issue, since I've been drinking less, I've also been smoking a lot less as well. All in all, my lifestyle is a whole lot healthier as a result of parenthood. Which is nice.
26

Andrah,

Embrugh 08/05/2008 15:18:34
A load of cobblers me thinks.
The middle classes are one of the few remaining "species" which are not protected by a raft of PC rules and therefore a legitimate easy target for insults and attack.
27

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

08/05/2008 15:24:13
It's parents in general and of course it isnt ALL parents.

It's well known that children of Alcoholics are genetically predisposed already without making it even easier for them to follow in the footsteps by appearing hungover all the time.

The difference in the definition of an alcoholic between North America and the UK is quite startling. GO google the ten questions, you may be suprised. By those rules half our population probably fits the bill. And of course that makes it "normal" and all the more difficult to change.

Another factor is of course the great denial associated with drinking.

Bon Chance. Not my problem anymore.
28

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 08/05/2008 15:55:30
I should have added Dom Perignon Champagne to my list of favourites since he invented the wine "by accident".
29

Nippy sweetie,

08/05/2008 16:43:54
So the SNP don't want us to get drunk but we are going to be independent using whisky to prop up our economy. What is it to be...

30

Nippy sweetie,

08/05/2008 16:48:44
They are commenting on the middle classes as they think they are the only ones who might actually listen to their ridiculous policies and act.
31

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 16:51:51
"Do you HONESTLY believe that Scotland as a whole (economy, poverty rates, crime, health) wouldn't benefit from a reduction in alcohol intake by the Scottish population?"

Yes. I believe that.

Attacking alcohol consumption is completely the wrong way to go about it. You are adressing the symptoms rather than the cause.

If a given person abuses alcohol (and I'm talking about any abuse, be it anything from drinking yourself to death to getting drunk and causing agro) then there is a reason for them doing so. There is absolutely no point in making alcohol more difficult to get hold of, more expensive or imposing other restrictions. They just simply will not work because you are addressing the symptom (or one of them) rather then the cause.

If on the other hand, you find out WHY the given person is abusing alcohol then you may be able to address that problem and the alcohol abuse will stop automatically.

There is an increasing culture amongst some that it is big and clever to act like a moron after a few drinks. It is NOT. The converse is true. It is far more "big and clever" to be able to handle your drink. Change that culture, which can be done by a propaganda campaign, and you then solve the problem of "antisocial behaviour" related to drink.

That is just one example of how any alcohol problem could be addressed. If they go on the way they are, all they will do is change the symptoms whilst unfairly placing restrictions on those who are doing nothing wrong.
32

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

08/05/2008 17:16:21
You know what Petrol Head , you have no idea what you are talking about. No idea whatsoever. Unfortunately I do, deeply and personally and I'm sick of listening to your rubbish mate.

People drink for a million and one reasons which I cant be bothered going into. at the end of the day there is NOTHING but yourself to stop it. NOTHING. If people with a problem (and there are many) can be ENCOURAGED to do so that is not a bad thing.

Your macho bs about "handling your drink" just shows you up for the unthinking idiot that your are.

Sorry , but this is too important to me to lisetn to your unsympathetic rubbish anymore. Type what you like Im not going to reply. Because you do not know what you are talking about.
33

The Black Douglas,

Scotland 08/05/2008 18:18:48
Are the SNP trying to fund an independent Scotland through taxation on alcohol?

If so, along with oil, we'll have budgets undreamed of under the UK and have enough left over to give to England via the European social development fund.
34

Charles Linskaill,

HA HA HA ON THE MOBILE 08/05/2008 19:30:33
I
35

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 19:46:51
Hi Tim @various#,
how are you?
36

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 19:54:10
Sorry about that folks, just trying access from my mobile, first time I have been able to 'sign-in' since they changed this site! but I found a way!

Anyway I see the, 'removal team' have been busy, I got 'hit' also, but it must of been 'Boiled Head' in my text, OH-Well you live and learn, someone complained.

Also BW better 'watch-out' now I can again comment through the day from the mobile!

NO Escape 'HUH' BW,?
37

Euan,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 22:46:49
Yet more total codswallop surrounding Scotland's so called 'booze culture'.

Now they're trying to hit the middle classes in the groin instead of tackling the real problems Scotland faces when it comes to alcohol - poorly managed, badly policed sales of alcohol to a (fairly large)minority of people who misuse and abuse drink.

It's going to be interesting to see what silly 'initiatives' come out next to be honest.
38

Pipe smoker,

Montrose 09/05/2008 10:05:52
Journalists have long given the lead in promoting a lively bibulous culture. Indeed it is said that some of the best articles used to be composed under the benign influence of rather more alcohol than advised (or do I mean 'prescribed'?) in Government-recommended limits. Are a new breed afoot in this once-great organ of the press. If not, why does the 'Scotsman' resort to tabloid-style headlines such as 'Scotland's Shame...' and why does it appear to have embraced the hysterical and puritanical neo-prohibitionist culture?
39

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:09:02
This is what some children are told about their Parents by people who expose children to Risks and disempower Parents.

Irrespective of whether the Parents Drink or not.
40

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:11:28
It is a game with them.
41

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:12:21
They seek to degrade other Children, other Parents and other Families.
42

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:13:44
And blow smoke in the faces of Children and Parents.
43

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:19:38
Expose children and families to violent people under the influence of Drink and Drugs who they and the Police are afraid to handle and who they know because they have been in their care in the past and are banned from their premises.

Take children in cars with men just out of prison for Stabbing people close associates of those involved in recent murders etc etc etc.

Prioritise association with those they know will be harmful or are already the subject of a complaint and so on. Encourage association with prisoners.
44

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:21:14
Who have already been in their care.
45

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:25:04
Meantime malicious allegations of drunkeness are circulated about Parents who are running around hither and thither and trying to limit the damage.

Their children also are sometimes involved and in some instances taunt other children.
46

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:26:01
And take Alcohol to School.
47

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:28:52
Children are also issued with negative information about themselves and their family and it is suggested to them that their Teachers and their family do not value them as much as their siblings.
48

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:32:52
Much of the paperwork is of dubious content and personal/family information is casually moved around and made available to anyone who comes into contact with the child and may be delivered along with the child and their belongings irrespective of whether the party in question is considered to be a fit person.
49

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 09/05/2008 23:49:00
The incorrect information in this area (official document) has included information indicating that a Council Employee (unknown to me - I met them briefly once shortly before the issue of the document) is the father of one of my children.

All manner of information is created by all manner of people concerning people they have never met.
50

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 11/05/2008 08:28:56
I have previously raised concerns with my SNP MP, with Devolution it is too easy for matters to be kicked into the long grass.

Shona Robison should read the article in Scotland on Sunday concerning the child who was Abducted wisen up there are people running rings around you.
51

Digory,

Narnia Scotland 11/05/2008 08:39:22

Children are being harmed and put at severe risk by malicious insinuations concerning their Parents sobriety if Shona Robison wishes to address these matters it is necessary to dispose of the current Institutional bias which exists.

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 

Features

Featured Advertising



Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.